Sorry if I had any slight errors during this. I was tired when recording it. I hope you all enjoy it and feel free to let me know what you would like to see next!
Hey @ElChakotay by any chance could you maybe out together like a combo vid from basic to advance and even punish combos? Or if you planned on doing something like that it would be much appreciated! Thanks for all the knowledge you continue to drop for us!
This guide is great. Thanks for the effort. I think it would be awesome if you can show a video of how to counter or punish the most common chains or irritating moves of other characters like Honda, and turtle Guiles that just wait down to zone you or use the flash kick
@ozzyosbourne5866 training room is different than in battle. Also, I'll admit I'm not as creative as guys like Chocotay when it comes to what I can get in a situation. So after a while I become predictable and my set ups are broken. So a guide like this helps give me a few more creative options and a realistic kill Combo.
sf6 is the first street fighter game i've really gotten into in terms of competing and making an effort to understand the game. i started ranked at bronze 2 and made the climb to platinum with a ton of help thanks to your videos. i went to my first in-person tournament yesterday and went 2-2! one thing i'm struggling with is continuing pressure in burnout and going for throws since it feels like the extra plus frames i get cause my throws to whiff, so a guide on burnout pressure would be cool to see! great video and thanks so much! :)
I'm just discovering how fun Lily is and starting to learn her and your channel is like a gold mine of incredible Lily content. I love it. Definitely subbed and looking forward to more awesome content, whether it's just matches or more guides like this one.
Hey Tay, been on and off following you since the rmika days, thank you for the guides! For the love of street fighter i couldnt do the level 2 ender of the comgrab kill trap. Sad life.
Hands down one of the best Lilly guides I've come across... this guide has so much practical tech that it's excitingly overwhelming. Thank you ElChakotay, your hard work and training is very much appreciated. I will be Subbing and going through your Lilly guides & vids. We are in a very blessed time to get teachings from players that have mastered elements of characters like you have with this pressure guide for the Lilster! Anyway, here's a command grab.
This is great. Really highlights ways to use Drive Rush with Lily, which up to this point seemed to be lacking. I've noticed you doing more of this in your replays, awesome to see the Lily tech leveling-up!
Thanks. This was a good insight on how I can figure out pressure options for other characters as well. I never really went into depth on what I can do after knockdowns so I'll have to hit the lab a lot more.
Great job. I am a boomer scrub but still play for fun. I really struggle with Lily's defensive options. Really hope they give here a true reversal DP. Anyway a video on defensive options would be awesome, if there are any hahaha. Thanks
Bruh you dropped this at THE perfect time!!! Recently I've been using your DR into st.HP xx Medium Wind Stock after Cmd Grab (cant get the crHP to connect so ive been using sHP) that i saw you talking about on stream but i was thinking i dont have any pressure options after connecting a Spire. Found my answer this morning. 😊 My Lily pressure is kind of disjointed due to execution issues so i tend to fall back on grappler experience to eek out wins. Gold 2 atm but i could've gotten that without you.
Great guide. I think you do a good job of keeping it natural and loose, even if you have a script to keep you on track. That 100% setup off Heavy command grab needs to be a Short!
Something I'm noticing about the 'death combo' from 13:37. It's so finnicky that it doesn't make any sense to me, but if your opponent mashes a move on wakeup, it may shift their hurtbox forward in a way that makes them get hit by EX Spire early, and that causes the level 2 later in the combo to drop. For example, I can never land the level 2 if I set Jamie to do crLP on wakeup, but it works perfectly fine if I have him do crLK or nothing. Based on the frame meter, I think the combo works if there is a 2 or 3 frame gap between their wakeup and the EX Spire connecting, but it drops if it's less than that.
If you are willing to accept a 'close-to-death combo', it still works no matter what if you skip the H Condor Spire and go straight into EX Buster. You have to switch to stLK > stLK to auto-time the meaty command grab, because you have a couple more frames of advantage after the level 2
Thanks to you and these videos I've been able to get from Iron up to Plat you literally made this character and this game fun for me thanks so much for all of these! One of the things I was wondering was sometimes when I use medium Spire to get close to my opponent and they block the spire how come they are able to crouching jab my jab? Even though I thought I was supposed to be +1 in that situation
If you're pressing jab after they block your spire and you're getting counter hit, it's because you are jabbing. Lily's jabs are both 6 frame start up and there's a 5 frame gap between that so if they press a 4 frame jab, you get counter hit. You have to do a standing light kick to frame trap them in this scenario
This videos great, there's a lot of things you showed that I can add to my game. However, I wish you would've talked about the new anti Lily os people are doing. After Crouch Fierce into light charge, people are holding parry and punishing light charge with drive rush, or just parrying medium charge. Hope you can address this soon 🌪🦅
You can heavy dp from over half screen in the corner if they jump up or back, allowing you to juggle 2 more dps if you have 3 stocks along with any other crazy juggles you want into ex, super, etc
Something I've been trying is the first two Desert Storm hits into heavy command grab: often gets them if they're waiting to punish the third (unsafe) hit, and if they start trying to jump that command grab, let the third hit fly after all! 😆 Haven't labbed it or anything but I feel like there's Something There, y'know?
All of the pressure options in the beginning need to be manually time, correct? Lookin at the frame data there is a big gap between the knockdown of light spire and the dash
I have a question. What can you do with drive rush can special moves that gain +4 frames because of drive rush? Like regular Condor Spire. Can you cancel drive rush with a jump and maintain those plus frames? If so.. that goes into Condor Dive. But that is if it does. Looks like the Drive Rush into heavy into medium wind stock hit is safe. Can there me more than that? It may be safe because of the Drive Rush. Edit: Would a drive rush Wind Stock move have you close enough for a command grab? That is without the Heavy. It is safe on block. It also might do less pushback on block. Maybe.. not sure. If it is safe on block and does less pushback. Then that is a good thing too. That is if it works. Then there is Drive Rush Condor Spire as a juggle in mid screen to possibly connect a Condor Uppercut? Or even medium punch juggle into level 2? That is mid screen. Btw.. I saw that a medium on block with Juri can push back far. But if you Drive Rush. It will keep you close. So it has me thinking of other options and IF IT IS POSSIBLE. If not, then that is cool as it was an attempt.
After command grab, the ex spire into drive rush HP doesn't seem to land on certain big bodies unless i'm crazy.. I can't land it on Marisa, Gief, Honda, or Blanka
Iv noticed the spire with wind stock is a character specific.i tryed doing the combo wind spire from far to drive rush heavyP against marisa and it wouldnt let me.
The problem with ending the meaty crouching fierce into wind stock is the fact that lily is -8 and a lot of things can punish her into massive damage with DR.
Nah, if you do it properly, you're fine. I tested this as well with other characters. I even tested with Luke's 6f level 1 it's not a constant punishment. You gotta do it close for a punish because of how good the push back is
@@ElChakotay I double tested this maybe I am doing the set-up wrong or miss timing? I dont know, but I tested it and any crouching long reach 8f or faster normal punishes this. if you cancel out of the crouching fierce second hit after the dash
You're probably doing the cr hp too close. You can hit it from pretty far away then do the wind store. With who did you test this with and what buttons were used?
@@ElChakotay I just used characters with long reaching normals that were 8 frames or faster that you can drive rush out of. If I am wrong hey man sorry lol. I love your guides and videos and its largely because of YOU I keep playing lily. I can upload a video if what I am doing? id love to have advice to see what spacing I have wrong because I am just doing the CR.F one hit set-up after the dash and it was what I tested out.
@@UtahsBowser I'm not trying to like shark you on this, I was just curious about which character specifically because I tested it with Luke for example who has a 6 frame super that reaches far and even that didn't work. So I just wanted to test which specific characters you tried to make sure I wasn't tripping is all lol. Aye thanks man I appreciate it!
Good luck with that lol. A good Lily won't throw it out in neutral raw once they see their opponent knows about that. That's when you throw in ex spire and blow up di attempts to opponents trying to react to it. Or they just do it at non tractable ranges since you can't react to a 9 frame light spire in closer ranges. Or of course, you can do it from heavys which is a true block string. If only di were that easy lol
The biggest challenge i'm finding is just getting wind stocks consistently against aggressive opponents. I feel i'm on the backfoot most of the time drive impact is a bit too strong against her options.
You can drive reversal and stock from that. Otherwise, you have to do things like cr hp into wind stock or drive rush into wind stock when it's your turn
@@ElChakotay Yea I've been playing SF less than a year I'm probably playing a bit too respectfully, I don't take my turn enough yet letting people go ham. Yuel in Granblue Vs is the only Character I feel I can totally fly off the handle with on offense.
i cant get ex spire x DRC st HP after command grab for the life of me.ive been trying for two weeks lol im holding drive rush and mashing forward like a madman during the ex spire but the HP keeps whiffing
@@foshosir I'm fairly certain now they fixed it. Honestly you shouldn't be able to do that. Lily is still broken. As time time goes they'll find a way to buff her and also clean up some of the broken stuff. Interestingly l, my hardest matches are lily mirrors.
Sorry if I had any slight errors during this. I was tired when recording it. I hope you all enjoy it and feel free to let me know what you would like to see next!
Thank you for this!
have u seen that if u back hp max range on ryu wake up and he ex dp u got hit but u can punish counter after ?
Hey @ElChakotay by any chance could you maybe out together like a combo vid from basic to advance and even punish combos? Or if you planned on doing something like that it would be much appreciated! Thanks for all the knowledge you continue to drop for us!
This guide is great. Thanks for the effort. I think it would be awesome if you can show a video of how to counter or punish the most common chains or irritating moves of other characters like Honda, and turtle Guiles that just wait down to zone you or use the flash kick
We’re all human, us lily mains
I really needed to know her Oki pressure. I felt like I kept losing turns way too much. This came RIGHT on time. You're a God, bro!
Honest it's not hard just set the bot up to wake up with 3 frame & 4 frame man
@ozzyosbourne5866 training room is different than in battle. Also, I'll admit I'm not as creative as guys like Chocotay when it comes to what I can get in a situation. So after a while I become predictable and my set ups are broken. So a guide like this helps give me a few more creative options and a realistic kill Combo.
Starved off Lily content until I found this channel...Subscribed!
As a lily main, just wanna say thank you Chak. You a beast!!
sf6 is the first street fighter game i've really gotten into in terms of competing and making an effort to understand the game. i started ranked at bronze 2 and made the climb to platinum with a ton of help thanks to your videos. i went to my first in-person tournament yesterday and went 2-2!
one thing i'm struggling with is continuing pressure in burnout and going for throws since it feels like the extra plus frames i get cause my throws to whiff, so a guide on burnout pressure would be cool to see!
great video and thanks so much! :)
Same here, haha! And it's so easy to burn them out with all the heavy hits raining down, too!
I needed this guide so badly. Thank you!
I'm just discovering how fun Lily is and starting to learn her and your channel is like a gold mine of incredible Lily content. I love it. Definitely subbed and looking forward to more awesome content, whether it's just matches or more guides like this one.
thank god you didn't forget the last trick, that looks so good!
Hey Tay, been on and off following you since the rmika days, thank you for the guides!
For the love of street fighter i couldnt do the level 2 ender of the comgrab kill trap. Sad life.
You're welcome and glad I could help! Which part of the video was it? I can explain it to you if I see
@@ElChakotay the setup for command grab in the corner, you do ex spiral, heavy spiral, ex dp, ex dive, then level 2. My level 2 doesnt hit :(
@@Transcona Ahh, you have too do the heavy spire fast right after the ex spire. It's a tight link but you'll get the timing with training
@@ElChakotay cheers brother. Keep mixuping!
been following since the Mika days but you been steppin up the content game. Good shit!
Hands down one of the best Lilly guides I've come across... this guide has so much practical tech that it's excitingly overwhelming. Thank you ElChakotay, your hard work and training is very much appreciated. I will be Subbing and going through your Lilly guides & vids. We are in a very blessed time to get teachings from players that have mastered elements of characters like you have with this pressure guide for the Lilster!
Anyway, here's a command grab.
Good stuff as always. Thank you so much. I dont get a lot of play time so this accelerates my learning a hell out of a lot.
Aye, just when I was searching your channel for some tech, much appreciated
This is great. Really highlights ways to use Drive Rush with Lily, which up to this point seemed to be lacking. I've noticed you doing more of this in your replays, awesome to see the Lily tech leveling-up!
Thanks. This was a good insight on how I can figure out pressure options for other characters as well. I never really went into depth on what I can do after knockdowns so I'll have to hit the lab a lot more.
You're a real one for this, thanks a bunch
The winds of change 😈
Great job. I am a boomer scrub but still play for fun. I really struggle with Lily's defensive options. Really hope they give here a true reversal DP. Anyway a video on defensive options would be awesome, if there are any hahaha. Thanks
Tay sounding like lilly going "oops" 😭
Bruh you dropped this at THE perfect time!!! Recently I've been using your DR into st.HP xx Medium Wind Stock after Cmd Grab (cant get the crHP to connect so ive been using sHP) that i saw you talking about on stream but i was thinking i dont have any pressure options after connecting a Spire. Found my answer this morning. 😊
My Lily pressure is kind of disjointed due to execution issues so i tend to fall back on grappler experience to eek out wins. Gold 2 atm but i could've gotten that without you.
Thanks for doing her justice with these deets. Hope you win a major fam
Thanks for this vid my guy... I've been waiting for a good pressure video. Great guide!
Great guide. I think you do a good job of keeping it natural and loose, even if you have a script to keep you on track. That 100% setup off Heavy command grab needs to be a Short!
Great guide bro!!!! Very much needed.
Something I'm noticing about the 'death combo' from 13:37. It's so finnicky that it doesn't make any sense to me, but if your opponent mashes a move on wakeup, it may shift their hurtbox forward in a way that makes them get hit by EX Spire early, and that causes the level 2 later in the combo to drop. For example, I can never land the level 2 if I set Jamie to do crLP on wakeup, but it works perfectly fine if I have him do crLK or nothing. Based on the frame meter, I think the combo works if there is a 2 or 3 frame gap between their wakeup and the EX Spire connecting, but it drops if it's less than that.
If you are willing to accept a 'close-to-death combo', it still works no matter what if you skip the H Condor Spire and go straight into EX Buster. You have to switch to stLK > stLK to auto-time the meaty command grab, because you have a couple more frames of advantage after the level 2
good video. only thing to note is the meaty setups for LK spire assumes they hit on the 1st active frame which usually they don't.
Thanks and yeah you're right!
Thanks to you and these videos I've been able to get from Iron up to Plat you literally made this character and this game fun for me thanks so much for all of these! One of the things I was wondering was sometimes when I use medium Spire to get close to my opponent and they block the spire how come they are able to crouching jab my jab? Even though I thought I was supposed to be +1 in that situation
If you're pressing jab after they block your spire and you're getting counter hit, it's because you are jabbing. Lily's jabs are both 6 frame start up and there's a 5 frame gap between that so if they press a 4 frame jab, you get counter hit. You have to do a standing light kick to frame trap them in this scenario
@@ElChakotay This was frustrating me so much, thank you for helping me see the light. Time to hit Diamond.
aw yea i been waitin for this
Can't wait to try some of this out in my games, thanks for the guide!
goated guides keep me coming back to the channel. good stuff
This videos great, there's a lot of things you showed that I can add to my game.
However, I wish you would've talked about the new anti Lily os people are doing. After Crouch Fierce into light charge, people are holding parry and punishing light charge with drive rush, or just parrying medium charge. Hope you can address this soon 🌪🦅
Could probably delay medium charge to beat it.
@@BabyJesusPlaysGames thanks I'm going to try and lab that
Great stuff thanks
Thanks for the guide! Could you do a meaties guide next?
Awesome. I was messing up the pressure after command grab drive rush, I was doing cr hp then medium unstocked spire.
Muchas gracias por esta guia hermano 🎉❤
Yes sir! Another dope Lily vid!
These are AWESOME tay. Thank you.
What do you think about level 2 to punish drive reversal on OD Condor Spire?
Thanks 🎉
You can heavy dp from over half screen in the corner if they jump up or back, allowing you to juggle 2 more dps if you have 3 stocks along with any other crazy juggles you want into ex, super, etc
Yup I knew this but that's spacing specific and not common
Great guide! That set play damage is crazy. I was wondering if you found a good use for her target combo? Feels like I don't ever see anyone use it.
Something I've been trying is the first two Desert Storm hits into heavy command grab: often gets them if they're waiting to punish the third (unsafe) hit, and if they start trying to jump that command grab, let the third hit fly after all! 😆
Haven't labbed it or anything but I feel like there's Something There, y'know?
Thank you so much, I shall study this and implement asap. 👌🏾
Such a nice guide thanks. What are your thoughts on Lily getting dunked on in the tier lists?
All of the pressure options in the beginning need to be manually time, correct? Lookin at the frame data there is a big gap between the knockdown of light spire and the dash
Yes, the trick I use is to wait until their back is about to hit the ground then dash and do it. I should've mentioned this in this video
Drive Rush Overhead works on all versions of DP. +2. Heavy is +3 on block.
@13:35 i'm going to do this until I do it in my sleep.
Thank you for this lol
Low teir bros unite! Whatever people think. I'm having fun playing with my girl. 🇲🇽 🌬
this is awesome!!!!
I have a question. What can you do with drive rush can special moves that gain +4 frames because of drive rush? Like regular Condor Spire. Can you cancel drive rush with a jump and maintain those plus frames? If so.. that goes into Condor Dive. But that is if it does. Looks like the Drive Rush into heavy into medium wind stock hit is safe. Can there me more than that? It may be safe because of the Drive Rush.
Edit: Would a drive rush Wind Stock move have you close enough for a command grab? That is without the Heavy. It is safe on block. It also might do less pushback on block. Maybe.. not sure. If it is safe on block and does less pushback. Then that is a good thing too. That is if it works.
Then there is Drive Rush Condor Spire as a juggle in mid screen to possibly connect a Condor Uppercut? Or even medium punch juggle into level 2? That is mid screen.
Btw.. I saw that a medium on block with Juri can push back far. But if you Drive Rush. It will keep you close. So it has me thinking of other options and IF IT IS POSSIBLE. If not, then that is cool as it was an attempt.
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great video
After command grab, the ex spire into drive rush HP doesn't seem to land on certain big bodies unless i'm crazy.. I can't land it on Marisa, Gief, Honda, or Blanka
I'm watching hoping I can learn the match up better
Iv noticed the spire with wind stock is a character specific.i tryed doing the combo wind spire from far to drive rush heavyP against marisa and it wouldnt let me.
Does the light condor pressure just apply to corner does that work midscreen?
Does Lily have a safe jump in the corner?
Got all of it down.. except I can't land the super 2 in the setplay... Not sure what I'm doing wrong.. is there a trick I'm not seeing?
Cant seem to land super 2 in the 100% setup any advice
The problem with ending the meaty crouching fierce into wind stock is the fact that lily is -8 and a lot of things can punish her into massive damage with DR.
Nah, if you do it properly, you're fine. I tested this as well with other characters. I even tested with Luke's 6f level 1 it's not a constant punishment. You gotta do it close for a punish because of how good the push back is
@@ElChakotay I double tested this maybe I am doing the set-up wrong or miss timing? I dont know, but I tested it and any crouching long reach 8f or faster normal punishes this. if you cancel out of the crouching fierce second hit after the dash
You're probably doing the cr hp too close. You can hit it from pretty far away then do the wind store. With who did you test this with and what buttons were used?
@@ElChakotay I just used characters with long reaching normals that were 8 frames or faster that you can drive rush out of. If I am wrong hey man sorry lol. I love your guides and videos and its largely because of YOU I keep playing lily. I can upload a video if what I am doing? id love to have advice to see what spacing I have wrong because I am just doing the CR.F one hit set-up after the dash and it was what I tested out.
@@UtahsBowser I'm not trying to like shark you on this, I was just curious about which character specifically because I tested it with Luke for example who has a 6 frame super that reaches far and even that didn't work. So I just wanted to test which specific characters you tried to make sure I wasn't tripping is all lol. Aye thanks man I appreciate it!
Have no idea how you can get the DR after the one hit off the spire.
Wait for that condor spire and let that DI rip! 😂
Good luck with that lol. A good Lily won't throw it out in neutral raw once they see their opponent knows about that. That's when you throw in ex spire and blow up di attempts to opponents trying to react to it. Or they just do it at non tractable ranges since you can't react to a 9 frame light spire in closer ranges. Or of course, you can do it from heavys which is a true block string. If only di were that easy lol
The biggest challenge i'm finding is just getting wind stocks consistently against aggressive opponents. I feel i'm on the backfoot most of the time drive impact is a bit too strong against her options.
You can drive reversal and stock from that. Otherwise, you have to do things like cr hp into wind stock or drive rush into wind stock when it's your turn
@@ElChakotay Yea I've been playing SF less than a year I'm probably playing a bit too respectfully, I don't take my turn enough yet letting people go ham. Yuel in Granblue Vs is the only Character I feel I can totally fly off the handle with on offense.
i cant get ex spire x DRC st HP after command grab for the life of me.ive been trying for two weeks lol im holding drive rush and mashing forward like a madman during the ex spire but the HP keeps whiffing
Which character are you doing it on?
I cant seem to find the meaty timing to hit crouching heavy..Keep getting DI
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The set up at 9:40 I just can't get to work. after ex condor spire i can't seem to drive rush fast enough to land the heavy punch into condor spire.
Which character are you doing it on? I think it should work on everyone
@@ElChakotaysince the up date there are some things that have changed. Either way i just cant get it.
@@malcolmjelani3588yeah, it's seems I can't do it anymore, I was able to do this move last week. Not sure what changed
@@foshosir I'm fairly certain now they fixed it. Honestly you shouldn't be able to do that. Lily is still broken. As time time goes they'll find a way to buff her and also clean up some of the broken stuff. Interestingly l, my hardest matches are lily mirrors.
@@malcolmjelani3588 what do you mean fix??? How was that even broken? That move was fine.
LEGEEENDDD
THEY NEED TO AT LEAST MAKE HER LIGHT DP SAFE ON BLOCK WHEN THEY DO A PATCH..
Why?
Thanks!