Amazing! Throwing out condor wind to trade and get stocks is a game changer. Separate thought: a lot of people are putting Lily in bottom tier. Where would you rank her?
I noticed that as well. I am doing fine with her though. Her lack of ex reversal does get her in trouble but I would have her mid somewhere personally.
One thing I'm trying to mix in more in my Lily play is to neutral jump a lot more in neutral. Because Lily doesn't have to commit to a forward jump to make use of her dive kick, you can control a *shocking* amount of space from a neutral jump. If you neutral jump after a long-range standing medium punch there are very few characters who can anti-air you, but a lot of the options that check standing medium punch can be whiff punished by condor dive if you jump right away. Guile throw a boom a few frames after you jump? You can punish it. Someone tries to answer your standing medium punch with a heavy button? You can whiff punish it. Jamie can't drink, Juri can't store, Lili can't wind up... Condor Dive will beat drive impact on reaction, too. They drive rush to chase you down? Condor dive over their head and to safety. Hell, if you've got two super bars you can even beat invincible DPs or Zangief's level 1 with your own level 2 in the air on reaction. The only thing I know that beats everything you can do in the air is Juri's level 1... and maybe Dhalsim's anti airs. I have to lab his options vs neutral jump.
You can jump projectiles to get stocks too. Most of the time characters can only have one projectile on screen at a time, so when you jump it that's a gap where they have to move forward to stop Lily from getting a stock. Also you can use bHP Heavy Spire to break DI armor during your strings. Up close I think st.HP and Cr.HP Heavy Spire also break armor, or maybe they were gapless it was one of those 2
There actually is a drive reversal option, it's not in the reversal settings for whatever reason. I think it's on the menu where you set counterhit, block settings, etc.
Hi ELCHAKOTAY👋 I’m BMO. I have SF6 and it’s been years since I’ve played so everything is so new to me. When I saw the roster I thought I was going to resonate with Kimberly but I automatically gravitated towards Lily and the rest was history. I really thought Lily was going to be a unpopular character, but when I saw that people were making UA-cam videos about her, I got excited. I would love to sharpen my skills with Lily and further my versatility in my play style with her. If you are available this weekend more so Sundays and Mondays I would love to spar✨💕
Bro. I got put into Platinum ✮✮ straight out of my placement matches because of your videos lmao. Thank you Ngl, I feel a little bit of imposter syndrome because of it too though. I’m Silver ✮✮ on PC and I feel like that reflects my skill level a bit better. Got Plat on Xbox. Either way I’m grateful for these videos
This is neither here nor there.. but something that I was developing for Lily specifically (but can be used for other characters as well) is you know how people are starting to check drive rush with jabs and whatnot? Well if you do a special out of your DR it will stop all momentum. This means lily can bait out DR checks by doing things DR into M wind to space it perfectly at the tip and hit the opponents outstretched button.. and it’s also just a decent way to get close to get a blocked M wind pretty safely unless your opponent starts to DR from 3/4 screen away. I’ve kinda dropped likely but I’ve been making use of this “DR stop” with other characters like ryu DR into H quarter circle back.. gives me a way ti get that move off, get my plus frames and punish people for sticking out low range moves anticipating I’ll be closer to them than what I actually was.
@@11zoomzoom11 you can do basically any special you want.. as long as it stops your momentum and is relatively safe. You could do winded spire as an example just as a way to throw the opponent off. But I saw chakotay using L wind of all things just a few games ago..
As always breh, thanks for the tips and tricks...the game is becoming a little bit more complex with the micromanaging of the Drive bar...making the opponent spend bar to get out of situations as well as meter trading in order to capitalize on their lack of meter...hella mind-games going on, love it.
Thanks. It really nice guide. Can you make another video for countering throw atk? Because Lily seems vulnerable against throw attack after using condor skills.
Can you combo into crouch heavy? If you can, then you have the hit confirm into the wind stock. Or you can also find a way to combo into it from airborne combo strings. I got to learn some stuff. Thanks! That is what I wanted to know as well. Because it hits like 4 times when it hits. The Condor Spire in wind charge.
Any tips for defending? I have a very hard time checking people when they walk forward while pressuring, I'm afraid to use standing short because it will most likely whiff and when I do jabs I get counter hit often. So hard to force opponents to get off me when other than having a hard read with OD Tomahawk I can only really do a lvl 2 as other supers have massive drawbacks with lvl 1 having crap startup and lvl 3 losing to anything aerial.
If you're in the corner, your fastest move is St LK at 4 frames, so you have to juggle between mashing that, grab, OD, or Super. Hope this helps a little
It's not super ideal but I have noticed I get away with cr short more than either st short or her jabs. It's 5 frames but it has much more range than st lk and is slightly faster than lp. It also catches people walking back. Idk though like I said it's not ideal but when st short whiffs so much you gotta try something 😢
I don't get why so many creators are putting Lily on the bottom of the tier list. She has one of the best neutrals in the game. Her ST LP and ST MP are one of the best pokes in the hole game!
prob because the japanese pros put her bottom tier because her gameplan is very simple to figure out and she needs charges to be effective. i dont care, shes fun to use lol
Couple of reasons: 1. Not the most reliable anti-airs at very close range, Tomahawk has a big dead-zone above her head and C.HP is slow. 2. No non-super invincible reversal. 3. Few cancel options off of medium buttons: She can't get a meaningful punish on someone who is -8 but out of her kind of stubby 5MK range. 4. Reliant on wind stocks for pressure. 5. Poor anti-fireball game without wind stocks. When the fireballs you're up against are coming from Luke, Guile, JP and SF6 Dhalsim the wind trading strat might not carry you very far... but I haven't tested that myself. 6. She has to compete with two of the scariest grapplers capcom has ever made in Zangief and Manon.
You know what sucks about Lily? Since you decided to main her don't expect any buffs. Devs think nothing is wrong with her and is strong enough after watching you play. 😂
@@ElChakotay I play the game I’m so Cole to platinum I just never understand the lingo it’s all me same thing with frames and stuff I don’t get it I hear do a d other words and I just can’t get it
Gotcha, I could honestly teach you sometime if you want. Also, here's a glossary of any fighting game lingo you can think of with their definitions it's really good and you can even type in the lingo if you hear it to get it's definition: glossary.infil.net/
Why did they make SF6 so overcomplicated? Who asked them to fail like this? I dont know single casual player who understand all these retarded mechanics. Game is already dead on Twitch and people waits for MK1. I am so dissapointed they overcomplicated this game so much. I was lucky enough to refund it on time :D
Thanks for all that Lily passion, man. Much appreciated. Cool to see such dedication!
Amazing! Throwing out condor wind to trade and get stocks is a game changer. Separate thought: a lot of people are putting Lily in bottom tier. Where would you rank her?
I noticed that as well. I am doing fine with her though. Her lack of ex reversal does get her in trouble but I would have her mid somewhere personally.
I'd settle for her level 1 super being a better reversal option.
@@sparklesniff8754 THIS. I been using it for pocket reversals and it continues to surprise
One thing I'm trying to mix in more in my Lily play is to neutral jump a lot more in neutral. Because Lily doesn't have to commit to a forward jump to make use of her dive kick, you can control a *shocking* amount of space from a neutral jump.
If you neutral jump after a long-range standing medium punch there are very few characters who can anti-air you, but a lot of the options that check standing medium punch can be whiff punished by condor dive if you jump right away. Guile throw a boom a few frames after you jump? You can punish it. Someone tries to answer your standing medium punch with a heavy button? You can whiff punish it. Jamie can't drink, Juri can't store, Lili can't wind up... Condor Dive will beat drive impact on reaction, too. They drive rush to chase you down? Condor dive over their head and to safety. Hell, if you've got two super bars you can even beat invincible DPs or Zangief's level 1 with your own level 2 in the air on reaction. The only thing I know that beats everything you can do in the air is Juri's level 1... and maybe Dhalsim's anti airs. I have to lab his options vs neutral jump.
Imma try that next game
Appreciated. SF6 content quickly became just online replays so someone actually explaining is helpful
You can jump projectiles to get stocks too. Most of the time characters can only have one projectile on screen at a time, so when you jump it that's a gap where they have to move forward to stop Lily from getting a stock.
Also you can use bHP Heavy Spire to break DI armor during your strings. Up close I think st.HP and Cr.HP Heavy Spire also break armor, or maybe they were gapless it was one of those 2
Omg you can jump over the projectiles?🤯
There actually is a drive reversal option, it's not in the reversal settings for whatever reason. I think it's on the menu where you set counterhit, block settings, etc.
Been climbing the ranks with Lily and both of your guides have been incredibly helpful. I appreciate ya man.
Thank you for the lily tech one of the ONLY people dropping actual tech not just watching you fight other people
Watching the countering anti lily tech video so I can counter the countering anti lily tech
Big Brain
I love all these Lily videos! Thank you for all your hard work getting out this content to us
This is really useful! As a noob to street fighter and Lily these kinds of discussions are great
You can perfect parry cancel into light wind stock if you want to aswell
Hi ELCHAKOTAY👋 I’m BMO.
I have SF6 and it’s been years since I’ve played so everything is so new to me.
When I saw the roster I thought I was going to resonate with Kimberly but I automatically gravitated towards Lily and the rest was history.
I really thought Lily was going to be a unpopular character, but when I saw that people were making UA-cam videos about her, I got excited.
I would love to sharpen my skills with Lily and further my versatility in my play style with her. If you are available this weekend more so Sundays and Mondays I would love to spar✨💕
Bro. I got put into Platinum ✮✮ straight out of my placement matches because of your videos lmao. Thank you
Ngl, I feel a little bit of imposter syndrome because of it too though. I’m Silver ✮✮ on PC and I feel like that reflects my skill level a bit better. Got Plat on Xbox. Either way I’m grateful for these videos
I got put in high gold and am getting shit on lmao
Finally, the video to skyrocket lily up through the tiers!
This is neither here nor there.. but something that I was developing for Lily specifically (but can be used for other characters as well) is you know how people are starting to check drive rush with jabs and whatnot? Well if you do a special out of your DR it will stop all momentum. This means lily can bait out DR checks by doing things DR into M wind to space it perfectly at the tip and hit the opponents outstretched button.. and it’s also just a decent way to get close to get a blocked M wind pretty safely unless your opponent starts to DR from 3/4 screen away. I’ve kinda dropped likely but I’ve been making use of this “DR stop” with other characters like ryu DR into H quarter circle back.. gives me a way ti get that move off, get my plus frames and punish people for sticking out low range moves anticipating I’ll be closer to them than what I actually was.
Interesting tech. Might as well do Heavy Wind and get the knockdown on hit tho, no?
@@11zoomzoom11 you can do basically any special you want.. as long as it stops your momentum and is relatively safe. You could do winded spire as an example just as a way to throw the opponent off. But I saw chakotay using L wind of all things just a few games ago..
@@dimex3362 I'll have to try it out. I already like to use DR > block to bait reversals so I can see how useful it might be
Thanks, another really useful little guide.
As always breh, thanks for the tips and tricks...the game is becoming a little bit more complex with the micromanaging of the Drive bar...making the opponent spend bar to get out of situations as well as meter trading in order to capitalize on their lack of meter...hella mind-games going on, love it.
Thank you master, if you have time for the pressure midscreen and corner with Lk and Lp, i want a see that, please.
Just made Plat with lily 🙏🏼😊. Thank you for the guides
Bro, you're a real one! I'll be joining your twitch and would love to run some Lily mirrors with you.
I'm down!
Awesome video! This covered exactly what I've been thinking about recently. Thanks a ton for the upload and keep up the excellent work 💪
Great Lily guide.
Favorite lily player by far. Love your vids!
Love the Lily content Tay, keep it all coming! Anything you can share will be much appreciated
appreciate the Lily content man, very cool
Great rundown of the options, thanks!
Good stuff Tay much appreciated
Reminds me of the "blood for oil" kinda stuff from back when Hakan first dropped in SSF4. Not a bad idea.
Thanks. It really nice guide. Can you make another video for countering throw atk? Because Lily seems vulnerable against throw attack after using condor skills.
Can you combo into crouch heavy? If you can, then you have the hit confirm into the wind stock. Or you can also find a way to combo into it from airborne combo strings.
I got to learn some stuff. Thanks! That is what I wanted to know as well. Because it hits like 4 times when it hits. The Condor Spire in wind charge.
Her best color for costume 2. Nice choice.
Thankyou for this. Drive impact almost made me drop Lilly
Thanks for the Lily content!
The Man, The Myth, The Lily Main! Might be time to bring the 5-0's back. 👀👀👀
Thanks for leading the thunder foot way
Show me what the spirits tell you Prophet.
@ElChakotay how do you feel about Lily being labeled D tier by Topanga? Any thoughts of dropping her for someone else?
This one is really helpful!
I want a tutorial on how to beat lily without having to rely too much on DI.
Thank you so much for sharing this content.
Any tips for defending? I have a very hard time checking people when they walk forward while pressuring, I'm afraid to use standing short because it will most likely whiff and when I do jabs I get counter hit often. So hard to force opponents to get off me when other than having a hard read with OD Tomahawk I can only really do a lvl 2 as other supers have massive drawbacks with lvl 1 having crap startup and lvl 3 losing to anything aerial.
If you're in the corner, your fastest move is St LK at 4 frames, so you have to juggle between mashing that, grab, OD, or Super. Hope this helps a little
It's not super ideal but I have noticed I get away with cr short more than either st short or her jabs. It's 5 frames but it has much more range than st lk and is slightly faster than lp. It also catches people walking back. Idk though like I said it's not ideal but when st short whiffs so much you gotta try something 😢
medium punch
Thank you for these.
fantastic content, thank you
Thanks we need all the help we can get 😅
I don't get why so many creators are putting Lily on the bottom of the tier list. She has one of the best neutrals in the game. Her ST LP and ST MP are one of the best pokes in the hole game!
she has great buttons, its just other characters cheat
prob because the japanese pros put her bottom tier because her gameplan is very simple to figure out and she needs charges to be effective. i dont care, shes fun to use lol
This is tight
We like video
HATE THIS CHARACTER NEEDED IT THANK YOU
You are the man!
huge, ty
WHATS YOUR FEELS ABOUT JAPAN SAYING LILY IS LOWEST TIER?
Thanka for the tips
I still don’t know why people put lily so low on a tier list
because she needs wind but wind is hard to get, compare to someone like Manon who can make her own openings more effectively
Couple of reasons:
1. Not the most reliable anti-airs at very close range, Tomahawk has a big dead-zone above her head and C.HP is slow.
2. No non-super invincible reversal.
3. Few cancel options off of medium buttons: She can't get a meaningful punish on someone who is -8 but out of her kind of stubby 5MK range.
4. Reliant on wind stocks for pressure.
5. Poor anti-fireball game without wind stocks. When the fireballs you're up against are coming from Luke, Guile, JP and SF6 Dhalsim the wind trading strat might not carry you very far... but I haven't tested that myself.
6. She has to compete with two of the scariest grapplers capcom has ever made in Zangief and Manon.
How do you beat Lily
If I watch this every couple days, I get better knowledge, but my hands like to do their own thing. How to combat autopilot D:
So this is anti “anti lily tech” tech
Noti gang
How to beat this?
You know what sucks about Lily? Since you decided to main her don't expect any buffs. Devs think nothing is wrong with her and is strong enough after watching you play. 😂
Yea I did not understand any of this
You didn't understand a word I was saying or the tech itself?
@@ElChakotay I play the game I’m so Cole to platinum I just never understand the lingo it’s all me same thing with frames and stuff I don’t get it I hear do a d other words and I just can’t get it
Gotcha, I could honestly teach you sometime if you want. Also, here's a glossary of any fighting game lingo you can think of with their definitions it's really good and you can even type in the lingo if you hear it to get it's definition: glossary.infil.net/
Why did they make SF6 so overcomplicated? Who asked them to fail like this? I dont know single casual player who understand all these retarded mechanics. Game is already dead on Twitch and people waits for MK1. I am so dissapointed they overcomplicated this game so much. I was lucky enough to refund it on time :D