The BEST Control Paddle of 2023 | GRUVN MUVN 13S Review
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2023
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In-depth analysis of the GRUVN MUVN 13S Pickleball Paddle. Accurate spin numbers, power rankings, sweet spot analysis, and control rankings. I hope you enjoy the passion I put into my reviews! If so, please consider subscribing for more detailed analysis, just like this!
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Personally, the Muvn 13 is a masterpiece…I’m a 6’1 male 4.5/5.0 and thought I really liked my Scorpius 14mm…the Muvn 13 is so fast the spin and paddle speed you can create is crazy. Better control and more forgiving especially on dinks and resets. Rolls at the net, flick of the wrist shots and hand battles are so much fun with this paddle. Just the feel and effortless control make it such an easy paddle to use. For me it had slightly less power/pop than the Scorpius 14mm but the added paddle speed and spin more than make up for it. The only modification I made was to add a replacement grip on top of the factory grip due to my hand size. It took a couple games to get used to the paddle speed and getting my service returns deep was an adjustment but overall an easy transition. Definitely my new doubles paddle. Thanks Gruvn
I pinned this comment as it's one of the first viewer feedback comments I've had and also it's exactly in line with what I feel regarding this paddle. That GRUVN plushness at 13mm you'd think a 13mm paddle would be too poppy to be totally control-oriented... let alone be the best control paddle of 2023, but it does have a touch less power and pop than the Scorpeus 14mm. Which adds to its control potential in my eyes. I think everything you said here is spot on. Loving this paddle. Cheers!!
In your video review you said it had more power than the Joola, I think mine definitely has less, but you are right on with the control and feel being fantastic. Especially surprising for a 13mm, but of the control paddles I have tried, I would put this at the top as well.
@@timkadom1722 Fair enough man. I think for me I should have added that with some lead tape at the bottom of the sides at the 4 and 8 oclock positions it helps, and along with the pop of this paddle I feel like it has surprising power for it's shape and size, but I am super glad we are in agreement with the control aspects! :)
@@darwest8833 I got it directly from GRUVN I think pre-ordering for the next shipment is the only option right now. Worth the wait I would say :)
@JiffyHiers, did you feel like you needed to add lead tape?
I've been playing with this paddle for the last few days, after playing the 6.0 DBD -- a control paddle i've been very impressed with. The Muvn 13S definitely took some adjustment, but it has been worth it. The spin is still there, but I picked up quite a bit of power when I need it. I've gotten more whiffs on my serve this week than usual, and the lighter weight has made my hand battles better. I'm really into this paddle, for me it has been a balanced combination of excellent control and power when I need to pound a shot. Great call on this one.
Thank you! That makes me super happy. It is a huge risk calling a 13mm paddle the best control paddle, but for me the hand speed and the general feel of what GRUVN did here ranks it number 1 for me. When it comes to control it's not just about something super cushy and plush, it really comes down to something that provides feedback, spin, reset potential, dink potential, and really goes exactly where your minds eye expected the ball to go, and the MUVN 13s does that in my eyes. Love feedback like this when it confirms what I'm saying. The whole point of my channel is to try and spread as accurate of info as I can to help people navigate the pickleball paddle space as efficiently as possible :)
I used your code to purchase the Muvn 13s (big thanks) and I’m really enjoying it. I let my wife borrow it and another is on the way. I can’t get mine away from her as she loves it as well. I thought that I would not like the shape but it there nothing that I don’t like about it. I’m kind of a gear head and also ordered the six zero Ruby. The Ruby is a fantastic paddle but I keep going back to the 13s . There is something special about it. I’m a 3.5+ player so i know I’m not taking advantage of what the paddles can do but the Muvn 13s is just a fun paddle that suits my game.
Love this comment thank you so much for taking the time to share this. I agree. It’s a very special paddle and feels extremely linear off the face. It just does everything extremely well and allows you to place and feel the ball so well for control.
Wow! Great review. I heard about this paddle before and their others, like the GRUVN-MUVN 16, but I think this will fit my game much better. I already have Rombus and Vatic elongated and Hybrid paddles which are good, but don’t give me everything I think this one will give me. If I order it, I will use your code since you do such a good job.
Thanks for the feedback I would love to know your thoughts if you get it! :)
Thanks for the review. Just got into PB and noticed that the borrowed paddles I've used have very small sweet spot. Decided to buy two different premium paddles so that I would have a choice for myself and then another good paddle for my wife or kid when we play. They have it on sale right now, so it's only $144 plus shipping with the discount code. Seemed like a no-brainer, so I ordered the 13S and then ordered a Vatic Pro Prism Flash as my other paddle. I've only played 3 times so far but I'm absolutely addicted.
You’re going to love both of those paddles! I love this comment thank you so much for sharing 😊 let us know your feedback when you get them!
@@stspickleball I've played with both now and I definitely gravitate to the 13s (Unfortunately my 9 yr old daughter stole it from me!). The Prism Flash is wonderful and I have zero issues with it, but I just feel like when I pick up the 13s after playing the vatic I get an extra level of feel and spin. The topspin trajectory of my serves was noticeably different for the better with the 13s. Have you reviewed the 13X? I can't really find anything out there and I'm wondering how it compares to the 13S and the 16X. I think the 13S has been claimed for good by the daughter, so I'm considering buying her one in pink, or trying out one of the other shapes and letting her keep my orange 13S.
I think for me the 13x’s sweet spot is a little tight. It’s a good paddle but I’ve personally never been a big fan of elongated 13mm paddles. I really think the 13s is the play overall from GRUVN or the 16x if you really want an elongated face for more power 😊 love the 13s
Can you please do a comparison on the R1 Nova from Ronbus, Double Black Diamond from 6.0, and the PRISM flash from Vatic Pro? Thank you very much!
That would be a great video! I am going to write that idea down right now actually.
I'm looking at new paddles and use the CRBN 3x right now but need something better for control, dinking, and drops. I hit tennis swing forehands (power and spin) and a one hand backhand, is there any problem with the height of the face of the paddle? Also would you recommend, I'm trying the ronbus r3 this week and have already tried the double black diamond.
How did you like the double black diamond? Do you like a longer handle or a shorter handle paddle? For me the face felt really great. I also haven't developed a two handed backhand consistently yet and do a lot of dropping and not as many drives anymore and I'm really loving the 13s
Absolutely love this paddle! An apotheosis of perfection.
So fast at the kitchen.
Blown away by how fun it is to hit with this.
Your review was spot on…and I used your discount code to save.
I have played with ProKennex Black Ace…much prefer this.
Played with Bread & Butter Filth and Loco….liking this more.
Currently have a Selkirk Luxx….and damn if I don’t like this more.
Also: all of your reviews are so well done.
Only issue with this company: you cannot send back the paddle if unhappy before 30 days. Most other companies that option is given to you.
100% agree on all accounts and thank you for the feedback and the comment always means a lot to me :)
I also used your code to order the Carbon Pivot sunglasses and I am loving these. So far you are 2 for 2 on your recommendations .@@stspickleball
LFG!!! I gotta keep the streak alive keep me updated man!!
how are your drives with this paddle? controlled in terms of height over the net, depth into opponents court, and landing close to your target? Or hit fliers that go deep half the time?
If you can mentally keep a bit of lag into your drives the 13mm aspect keeps them very aggressive and controlled. Some lead tape can help here as well. I had no issue being aggressive and placing my drives well but with the 99 swing weight you do have to be aware of maintaining a lag with your wrist because normally that lag would happen naturally with more swing weight if that makes sense.
Great review thank you. I am currently in the market for a new better paddle and this one is on the list now. Might even have just moved to the top of the list. 3.0 newer player here.
What have you liked so far and what are you looking to get better at in your game right now? I can help guide the paddle picking process! :)
@@stspickleballI was looking at working on control as my game being "lower" rated tended to be more power orientated relatively speaking. I bought a 13S and played with it for a month now and LOVE it. A friend of mine bought a 6.0 DBD and we swapped paddles for a day. Both are GREAT paddles but I still prefer the 13s. Thanks for the info
What will be the biggest difference I notice if I switch from Six Zero DBD? I love hitting and placing shots where I want it to go (drops, tough angles, etc) and finishing at the net with control, but also with enough power. The DBD has been great, but just wondering if my drops can get more consistent with the Gruvn 13S (and with more practice too of course).
It is a smaller faced paddle, but you will notice your mind will be able to place the sweetspot easier because of the smaller face. Less to think about. I think for drops it is super easy and makes those a no brainer, but you will notice less power.
Most of my latest paddles have been E's. This could be one I'd swithc back to standard for. Great review on all levels.
Thank you!! What do you personally enjoy about your E paddles? Always curious what people are utilizing for their personal games and what becomes priority ☺️. Also thank you for the kind words!
@@stspickleball Using a "control" or "ping Pong" grip, a E gives me the reach I lose by holding the paddle up at the head.
Does this paddle have the forgiveness and touch of a thicker paddle? Thin and thermoformed sounds like it will have extreme pop.
For me it does yes. The pop is not crazy at all it feels super balanced. I know it sounds odd that a 13mm paddle is my top control paddle of 2023 but it's an incredible paddle for control. A lot of 16mm standard shaped paddles feel almost muted off the face, but the MUVN 13s has that GRUVN plushness along with a lot more feedback off the face than 16mm paddles. Kind of the best of both worlds.
Just ordered one using your code
Nice!! I would love to know your thoughts when you receive it and see if my analysis translates through to what you feel on your side :)
I slice and spin a lot with my the CRBN 2 13mm paddle. My 13mm tends to pop the ball more than I would like. I was going to buy the CRBN 2x 14mm until I saw this review. I have a strong one-handed back hand. My concern is the longer grip on the GRUVN MUVN 13s might take time to adjust to. Appreciate any feedback. Thanks.
I would definitely give it a shot man. All of the CRBN paddles are very firm and their thinner option paddles for me are very harsh and unforgiving off the face. But then for me a 16mm standard shaped paddle like a 2x can feel a little too cushy or muted off the face. I really like the feel of the 13s and would definitely urge you to give it a try. It's cheaper too. I'd pick up the 13s over any CRBN paddle right now.
Thanks for the feedback. Do you know if GRVN ships from the west coast or ?@@stspickleball
@@joekhoe6899 just emailed the owner and he got back to me! (Great guy) he said "yes they ship from California so if you live there you'll usually get your paddle in a day or two!"
@@stspickleball Thanks. I just ordered the paddle with your discount code. Can't wait to try it out.
How does this compare to the double black diamond. Which do you prefer and why?
DBD will have more power for sure. That’s a hard question. The DBD, MUVN 13S, and Mach 1 Forza are three of my favorite paddles. They all just have their place and do certain things really well. I might give the edge to the MUVN 13S just because it has such fast hand speed and feels amazing control wise which are things I really value in my game but it’s close.
brand new to PB and am loving ALL your paddle reviews. I consider myself a control player (tennis),so your review of the GRUVN 13S, (especially your control rating,) has me intrigued. With next to no experience with paddles lengths, I don't think the smaller face will be an issue when purchasing my first paddle.
One question.... you said adding lead tape (at 4&8 o'clock ) will increase power... would the tape added make this paddle close to the Forza Mach1 in terms of power which is my #2 choice to purchase?
Not quite. The Mach 1 Forza is still going to have more power and a bit more pop. This paddle is extremely unique. Smaller face but it makes placing shots an absolute breeze. Not really for a driver and crasher of the ball but more for someone who wants to drop the ball, get up to the line, and win hand battles over and over. It’s so quick in the hands and it’s thermoformed and 13mm so it has enough pop to win hand battles and just crazy speed. I’d go Mach 1 Forza if you want a great all around paddle or the MUVN 13S if you want something unique and if you think what I mentioned above would be well suited for your play style.
With the added lead and also some to the top two corners, do you think this paddle could be as powerful as the DbD 16?
100% since it's at 13mm I think this is possibly the sleeper paddle of the year it's really outstanding
I like everything you described about this paddle except the longer handle, If I prefer the shorter handle which paddle do you recommend that plays just like this one?
I think I would tell you to go with the CRBN 2X 16MM. I think CRBN paddles are a bit more firm than GRUVN paddles so I would go with the 16mm to get a relative feel. GRUVN paddles are a lot more plush. But the grip length of the 2X is quite a bit smaller. You can use my same code for them too if you'd like,
Gruvn RAW 16R or 13R
@@iongorincioi8598 I would go 16r or 13s personally 😊
This does not have as much power as the Anna bright scorpius. In fact, you mostly have to provide all the power yourself. A friend of mine hit it and said “this paddle sucks, it feels dead.” I don’t agree with that, but wanted to make sure that people who are expecting a higher power paddle as per this video review will not be disappointed.
Having said that, there is also a definite psychological disadvantage with the size. It fits inside the edgeguard of the Anna bright, so imagine losing that area on your paddle face, and the impact that will have on you mentally. Ok good, if you are still reading, there are positives as well. I think the control is amazing. The spin is better than the Anna bright, but not quite as good as my Volair Forza. When I first got it, I thought I likely was going to be selling it immediately, but I am happy I did not. It feels very good in my hand, and while I can’t talk about the sweet spot being as generous as the reviewer claims, I oddly I hit more shots in the center of this paddle. I will keep working with it, but I thought it was important to let people know that the power is going to mostly be coming from you with this paddle. If you are ok with that, and ok with having a smaller hitting surface, you may like this paddle a lot. it strangely enough seems to just be where I need it to be all the time. I would compare it more to the prism flash, and between those two I prefer the control I get on the 13s. Don’t buy this if you indexed on the power part of the review, but buy it if you want a quick control paddle.
I agree with a ton of what you shared here man. I never thought I would like a paddle with a smaller face and 13mm, but damn this thing is quick and just works. I'm glad you agree with the control aspects. I was afraid I was going to get slammed for calling this such a high-end control paddle because it's not as cushy or soft as a lot of the 16mm control-oriented standard-shaped paddles for sure. But it just works. We are in alignment here my friend. Love your comments, always realistic and welcomed.
I need more control so I would most likely go with the 16mm one. A couple of questions:
1. Will you be reviewing the 16mm?
2. In comparison to the Bread and Butter Filth, in your opinion which one is better?
The MUVN 13s is going to be the touch / control choice for me. The 16mm elongated paddle is much firmer off the face and doesn't have the same feel. But if I had to choose between the MUVN 16x and the bread and butter filth I'd go MUVN 16x. But I'd take the 13s over both of those.
@@stspickleball Thank You
@@stspickleball Awesome review as usual! That's probably why they are on backorder...8-( Any plans to test the RAW 16s?
Wonderng if you have had access to the new Prolite K2 paddle. It has shape very close to the Gruvn Muvn 13-S, is 14 mm thermoformed, unibody, but with a carbon fiber frame and foam injection. On paper it would seem to have good control and sweet spot
I have indeed! I am awaiting an email from them to see if I can get some deeper information about what they are doing and if any of it is legit or just gimmicky marketing. I am going to purchase one if it all sounds legit and I will get a review rolling as well :) Thank you for the comment!
Playing with the DBD and developed tennis elbow. The DBD seems head heavy. My other paddle is the Diadem Icon V2. Any idea how the Gruvn 13s compares with that paddle?
The MUVN 13S will be lower in swing weight and will be much easier on your tennis elbow. I don’t know of any paddle out there that I’d recommend more than the 13S for someone with tennis elbow 😊😊
Thanks for your review. I purchased one thanks in part to review. I’m curious how it compares to the non therma version. Can you compare it to the Gruvn 13s raw? TY kindly.
The raw version just mainly has less pop and is softer off the face. For this smaller shape I think the added pop and power of it being thermoformed is a must. 😊
I don’t understand. On their website they are all raw carbon
How does this paddle compare to the Joola 16mm Colin Johns Scorpeus paddle, in construction, feel and power please. Why have you not yet made a review on the Collin Johns 16mm paddle ?
Really appreciate feedback. Finally, would recommend making a spreadsheet with all the information you give in your reviews. Thank you and keep dinking more reviews out !
Construction is as good or better depending on what paddle you get from Joola as they have some manufacturing issues I've heard. GRUVN quality is top-notch, the owner prides himself on that and the feel off the face specifically very much. I cover in this video the difference in power between the 13S and the 16mm and 14mm scorpeus, but I don't mind sharing a bit more about that here. The 13S is going to have more power and a bit more pop than the 16mm of course being a 13mm paddle, but it's not overly poppy at all. I've used a lot of 13mm paddles and especially elongated 13mm paddles are extremely poppy and rigid off the face. This 13S is going to have good feedback off the face, I think that's something I really like about it. It doesn't feel as muted or overly plush off the face like a 16mm standard shaped paddle does like the 16mm Colin Johns Scorpeus feels. I definitely prefered the 14mm Scorpeus over the 16mm in my testing but I much prefer the 13S over both. Some people probably think I'm crazy putting a 13mm paddle as the number 1 control paddle for 2023 but honestly it deserves it.
I’d be curious to see a review on the new 16mm version if you have that opportunity!
Coming in the next few weeks! TLDR:softer off the face, not quite as low of swing weight, less poppy, touch more power. Really nice paddle!
Hey man would you say this paddle feels like the diadem 18k?? Or how do they compare?
Honestly as I get more and more feel for the differences of paddles I have gone back and hit a ton of paddles that I have already reviewed and I feel like I have a much better understanding of it all now. I would say the Diadem 18K has more power and relative pop to this paddle, but I would honestly say now that the diadem has quite a bit less control. The diadem however does have a ton of spin, it's the highest spinning paddle I've reviewed. I think if you value spin a touch more power and good control I'd go diadem 18k, and if you value control, extremely fast hands, with solid spin and a little less power I'd go MUVN 13S. For me even though the 13S has a pretty small face it just works so well for me. I feel like I hit the sweet spot more often for some reason and I really like it.
Thank you brotha! That helped out a lot, keep up the good work!
@@isaacrodriguez386 glad that helped! Sometimes it's hard to translate the feeling of a paddle fully in words but I'm working as hard as I can to be able to do that very fluently!
What are your thoughts on the 13x? I'm super interested in it's swing weight and feel
Definitely the best 13mm paddle I’ve used as I’m not a huge fan of 13mm paddles generally but it’s really solid. That one and the new ALW paddle from PaddleTek are great!
wow really, you like the 13x more than the 13s? @@stspickleball
How would you compare the power to a Ronbus Pulsar 1?
Pulsar will have more power for sure, but I’d say the MUVN 13S has a bit more pop and a lot more place ability and controllability in comparison 😊.
Between DBD Infinity and Muvn 13S, which has more power, please? Thank you.
BDi has more power 😊 you can see that in my Black Diamond Infinity video
Alright you convinced me after mentioning what this paddle is good for (sweet spot, hands speed, power and tennis elbow friendly) and used your code. Great work on this review! :)
What is your setup on this paddle? Did you keep it stock or did you add some lead/tungsten tape on it?
Still messing with that one. I like it stock quite a bit but I think I'm liking 3 inches of lead tape on the bottom of the sides of the paddle just to add a touch more stability and to open the sweet spot even more. You're gonna love it! Let me know what you think when you get it I love knowing peoples feedback.
This performs as you said in your review. My dinks & control have improved dramatically. Adding about 3" of lead tape starting @ 4 & 8 towards the handle believe increased the sweet spot & seemingly increased the power of the paddle - that might be me wanting that result too, but believe that is accurate. I'm a 3.5 player & gives me a greater confidence at the kitchen line & on resets.
@@markherriott4329 heck yeah!!! This makes me super happy honestly. It's always relieving when I put information out and it's well received and translates to the viewers experience. Love this! And the lead tape is not a placebo that's exactly what it should amplify!
@@markherriott4329 This is awesome!! I'm so glad it all translated through to your real world experience. This is the ultimate goal with the channel, and something that makes me really happy to hear. Also that is not a placebo, that's definitely what's happening! The lead tape will 100% make it more powerful, and will ultimately make the sweet spot larger because of added stability and distributing the weight a bit more to the edges. Enjoy your paddle!
How would you compare it to the Volair Mach 2 Forza 14mm?
Honestly pretty darn similar. Not a huge difference tbh. A bit faster in the hands for sure. As of now I’d take the GRUVN MUVN 16S over the 13S and I really love the Mach 2 Forza both TOP picks
This is the first I'm hearing of this paddle! I was just about to pull the trigger on a DBD 14 mm, but this made me second guess. Would you say the 13s plays like the Selkirk Luxx if not how is it different(outside of thickness)? They both seem like excellent control paddles with low swing weights? i just demo'd the Luxx and wasn't a fan (felt like the power was lacking)
MUVN 13S is going to have more pop than the Luxx and maybe just slightly more power but it’s still low for power generally speaking. I love this paddle it has a small face but just works super well for placing your shots. Are you looking for a control oriented paddle?
Hi, thanks for the reply! I’m not entirely too sure. I currently have the Selkirk Power Air S2, which is a pure power paddle and little control. So I’m looking for a paddle with more control than that but I don’t want to sacrifice as much power
@@kiranpST6IX I would go MUVN 13S if you want more control and super fast hand speed, I would go Six Zero Double Black Diamond if you want something that just does everything excpetionally well, or I would grab the Pickleball Apes Pro Line Energy paddle which for me has a really nice plush feel off the face for control, but also is elongated and has really solid power. Those would be my best picks for you :)
@@stspickleball Thank you! I wish i could try out the 13s but they are tough to find. Do you recommend the 14 mm or 16 mm DBD? Any performance differences between the two I should know about?
@@kiranpST6IX I like the 16mm quite a bit more. The 16 already has great pop and power, the 14 does have more pop but it also is more punishing on off center shots. The 16 does everything exceptionally well I don’t really see many reasons to go 14 even if you’re a singles player.
How does the grip circumference and shape feel compared to the Mach 1 Forza and other 4.125" grips? I feel like my Forza's grip is noticeably thinner than my Prism Flash despite both being listed at 4.125". I personally prefer the Forza's grip vs. all other paddles I've tried.
I just got both of them out and measured both and felt them both in my hands and they are identical. I agree the forza grip circumference is my personal favorite of any paddle I've tried and the MUVN 13S is exactly the same. The grip itself is a different texture but that can always be swapped out if you don't care for it. :) Or if you use an overgrip!
Thanks! I got one using your code - loving it so far. Your review was spot on. One thing I noticed is that my shots occasionally launch at an unintended angle (too high or low). I think that due to the wider face + relatively thin grip, the open/close angle of the paddle face is more sensitive to the degree of handle rotation vs. other elongated/hybrid paddles. But I'm sure I'll adapt as I continue playing with it.@@stspickleball
@@A123-jg8zo awesome feedback! Keep on dinkin!!!
Wondering if you know the twistweight of this paddle? Thank you.
6.4 :) greatly improved by a bit of lead tape at the bottom of the sides! Because the swing weight is so low it doesn't reduce the maneuverability too much but really gives it quite a bit larger of a sweet spot / stability :)
Thanks for the review. Do you prefer this or the Luxx?
Honestly I prefer this. I think the fact that the Luxx has spray on grit and is that expensive just isn't justifiable honestly. I think the Luxx feels rather incredible off the face and it's a great paddle but it's going to wear down quicker and it's just so damn expensive for what you're getting.
@@stspickleball thank you for your perspective! Keep up the good work 👍🏽
Let’s say money and longevity is not an issue, still the Grvn over the Luxx? Only reason I ask is because I have a 003 and I love it, I have a control oriented game but could use a little more pop and power and Selkirk addresses this in the Luxx.
Is this still your main driver daily? Also, where did you decide to lead at on the paddle?
When I'm new reviewing other paddles it is yeah I love it. I added 3 inches of lead tape to the bottom of the sides of the paddle. Just above the bottom corner so on the bottom of the flat sides of the paddle. Just adds a touch more stability and opens up the sweet spot even more!
Can you review the Summit 2 by NorCal and Rogue 2? Just bought both and wanted your opinion.
Great input thank you I will look into them!
How would you compare the 13S to the Prism Flash? I'm running the Flash and wondering if it's worth upgrading.
Fairy relative feel wise but the 13S does have a bit more pop and is fully thermoformed although a slightly smaller face. I’d say if you have the flash and enjoy it it will feel pretty relative generally speaking 😊 what are you looking for in a new paddle?
@@stspickleball Makes sense! I'm looking for something with good control and hand speed like the flash but a bit more power. Maybe the double diamond would be better?
@@josiahtey5459 yeah I’d go MUVN 13S or the DBD 😊 MUVN 13S if you value hand speed and control specifically, and the DBD if you value something with more power and pop but also good at basically everything.
@@stspickleball Sweet, thanks for the recommendations!
How would you compare the forgiveness of this paddle to the Six Zero Double Diamond? Similar or way different?
Honestly similar for sure if not better. It's a smaller faced paddle and some won't care for that, but you'll find if you just accept it and play with it and don't think about it the smaller face makes finding the sweet spot far easier mentally. So overall I would say forgiveness is better but the power is less than a DBD :)
@@stspickleball A lot less power over the dbd?
@@robedwards6926 I’d say like. 30% less
@@robedwards6926 so a good chunk for sure. It has good pop though but on drives and serves you’ll feel a drop in power, but for hand battles and how fast you can move it it makes up for it at the line with solid pop and hand speed
@@stspickleball Sweet! Thx.
How does this paddle compare to the Volair Mach 2 Forza?
It has less power, less spin, but is a bit easier to place shots. If I had to pick right now I’d either get the Mach 2 Forza or the GRUVN MUVN 16S
How would the 16mm longer version compare to this?
Let me know the model name so I know we are talking about the same paddle :)
@@stspickleball Same Brand GRUVN 16mm version but elongated. I typically play with Elongated 16mm paddles. CRBN/SixZero DBD. So you have me thinking maybe Gruvn13S over the 16mm. Swing weight, Sweet Spot and control w/13S vs. 16mm
@@trosencrantz once you read my other reply let me know what your thoughts are ☺️
How is the power compared to the 003??
It has quite a lot of power in comparison to the 003. The 003 is a much more control oriented paddle and doesn't have a lot of power built into the design of the paddle. It's sort of an auto dinker / reset machine. Which is wonderful, but as far as power goes the MUVN 16X has quite a large amount more.
Woukd this beat with weight at all 4 corners? I’m real intrigued by this paddle
Sorry I don’t quite understand your comment but you could totally do that!
It’s an awesome paddle for sure I love it man. Super unique.
Dang this paddle looks sweet..... I'm a beginner tho, could you lead me to a paddle that's very similar to this but just maybe a little longer on the paddle length.
I would recommend the Honolulu J2K for you! :)
Great review! Just sub'd. Have you played with the Power Air Epic? IF so, how does this compare.. I am looking for a little more control but with the same kind of pop and similar power as the PA. I was looking at the 6.0 DBD and the Ronbus R1 Nova. I need a good California cold weather paddle, the power air, when cold, does not bite the ball so I loose spin.
So do you ideally want it to feel more plush off the face? Like softer? Or do you like when it's firm and just want more spin? Yes I've played with the Selkirk power air epic and it's not bad! But I feel you, I feel like that style of paddle doesn't grip the ball or create any sort of dwell time like a raw carbon fiber paddle does.
I like the pop and power of the PA but feel like it does not perform well outdoors in cold weather. I am trying to work more on the soft game so am looking for a little more control so probably a softer paddle. I do okay with the PA by softening my grip but sometimes pop the ball up when on defense. @@stspickleball
@@jeffoyog1099 alright well I think for your use case specifically in cold weather honestly a non thermoformed control style paddle could work extremely well. After quite a bit of thought I'd recommend the GRUVN RAW-16V. It's going to be extremely plush, very low pop, but all of that large sweet spot and control you'd normally get out of the 13S. Basically all the best parts of your PA but way more plush, and less pop. I think in cold weather that's going to be super perfect for you.
Thank you. I was also looking at the Ronbus Nova, and 6.0 DBD but saw this review. would the Gruvn still be the preferred choice over the other two? @@stspickleball
@@jeffoyog1099 I would take it over the Nova I think in comparison to the DBD it really depends on what you're looking for. The DBD has a bit more stock power than the 13S, but I think the 13S takes the cake for control. I think those are definitely two of the best paddles in the industry right now for sure.
I feel that your passionate about helping others, however I'll be honest and hold on for just a bit more on developing your authority in this space and even experience on the court. No doubt easy clicks to be had on any review. How do you come up with decimal number ratings, imagininative comparison? If that's the case, could it possibly ary day to day? I appreciate your input..
Mainly just feeling the paddle vs other paddles I’m thinking about doing an mph database like others but when it’s .1mph difference but feels firmer or a bit softer off the face you miss out on that feeling being portrayed. I understand what you mean though.
I bought the Muvn 13 after seeing your review and played with it for 2 weeks. Love everything about it except it gives my a tennis elbow and tenderness on my forearm. Any suggestions on how to fix this? I wrote to Gruvn but they offer no solution.
Hmmm, you must have a pretty severe form of tennis elbow because that is one of the most maneuverable and head light paddles available in the industry. Everything else would be even harder on your elbow 100%. You definitely have the paddle that is best for that situation for sure. Trust me on that.
@@stspickleball I normally play with an Engage Pursuit EX 6.0 (16mm) and had no issues with tennis elbow. Do you think adding lead tape and/or an over-grip would help?
@@investng I mean objectively speaking the EX 6.0 should technically be worse for your elbow from a weight standpoint but it does absorb vibration better so you likely nailed it. Yes try some lead tape and an over grip and report back in actually curious
Tennis elbow can stem from SO MANY THINGS.
Do you grip too tight? Most pros recommend a grip pressure of 3-5 on majority of shots. Zane has a video on it
Is your form causing it?
Are you constantly tense while playing? Almost jerking at the ball?
I’d recommend doing a bit more experimenting with yours
@@zeruth467 Great comment couldn't agree more
Reupload?
Had a small error in the first upload sorry about that! I had the wrong paddle listed in one of my breakdowns but it's all updated now!
Seems interesting, but face seens so small. Don't miss.
You'd think that but when you have it in play it really works. Your mind starts to hone in in a different way and the feel off the face feels extremely linear to where you want to place your ball. I love it.
What is the brand for your blue shirt in the video please ?
Of course! It’s Bad Birdie a golf brand and a wonderful shirt for pickleball 😊