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WHY HIP HOP CREWS FAIL: Junior M.A.F.I.A | What Happened To Them? Stunted Growth Music
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2024
- Why do hip hop crews fail most the time. When an artist finally get his or her big break, what do you usually see them do? They put the homies on. It’s only the right thing to do. That's applauded, because for the most part, said crews wouldn’t have gotten that look any other way. But hip hop history has shown that rap crews never really pan out outside the main artist having success, and usually disband pretty soon, only two embark on failed solo careers and interviews bashing their leader for not putting them on in a way that satisfied their success. One crew that was thought to have the magic ingredient to have success, was Junior Mafia. They had arguably the greatest rapper of all time as the leader, came up in the perfect era for their raw lyrics, and even had a few names that would become at least popular. Fast forward to the early 2000s, the group has long been disbanded, took the stand and testified on the other, been called out in a rap for being a so called snitch, left for real estate and became a thing of the past that no one outside of ship hop blogs care about. Definitely not for the music. Was it ever " for' Junior Mafia? Why’d they fail? Stunted Growth Music.
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Junior M.A.F.I.A had next. Why didn't they have success after Big Passed?
So soild crew growth stunted
Dappy growth stunted
Grimminal growth stunted
because...And I can show them my fortunes but can't force 'em think rich- Nas
So soild crew founder mega man tried to kill dizzee rascal, julez and cam Ron
lil kim was a baddie back in the day. shame what she did to herself.
Its what they did 2 her
People sound so crazy saying shit like this. How can she help bad plastic surgery ??? Like she went to the doctor and said "fuck my face up " you wild ignorant
@@eddiemanuel8768Right, this is the way she felt beautiful not anybody else’s choice.
especially in that photo when she had sunglasses on she was sexy af then
She was,she's the real deal inside and out..she holds it down for real. She's harder then most dudes out there..she's loyal and holds her mud. Kim will go down as the realist rappers of all time.
Anothing reason why rap groups fail is because of to many egos
Bro they wasn't a rap group was just dudes off his bl9ck
Exactly 💯
After The Notorious B.I.G. passed away, Lil' Kim was looking after the crew, she was the only star in the group and she gave them features on her albums and tried to put them on. They ruined all that after they testified against her and even dissed her on the song Damage Control from the Riot Musik album. Then she cut loose all ties with them and dissed them on her album The Naked Truth
What happened to Lil kim was similar to what happened to 50 cent with G Unit.
@@darrenraphael Nobody in G-Unit testified against 50 Cent
You got it wrong they fell out before the court shit even happened and none of them snitched she just flipped it and made it seem like they were snitches just cause she was mad at them and wanted to be spiteful I’ll forever be a lil kim fan but that’s just wrong for doing them like that
@@thedream5095 Lil' Cease apologized to Lil' Kim for testifying against her and he already admitted years ago that Junior M.A.F.I.A. testified against Lil' Kim. So clearly your the one who has it wrong
@@camronshean1758 you really think think you could apologize for snitching? That shit is unforgivable they fell out before the court shit cease was apologizing for that not for “taking the stand” cease always maintained he never snitched
In a Perfect World Junior Mafia is just Biggie & Lil Kim. Players Anthem, Get Money, Get Money remix, Crush on You & Another them 2 a lone cudda had a Classic Joint Album in 95
Yup
Lol 👍
After finding out that Cam wrote Cease's verse for Crush On You...I completely agree with your statement.
Flipmode !
I had so much hope for them ! Do them next !
DON'T GET STARTED WITH FLIPMODE..SMH !
YES !
Speaking of why rap crews fail. St. Lunatics gotta be up next to be talked about
Anything Luda touched flopped. He's a greedy fame hungry dude
@@everythingdivine I was referring to Nelly.
@@Mrderrickacheampong1 wrong comment
I saw a biggie documentary, where Cease said out his own mouth that it wasn’t about being an mc for him. Biggie wrote some shit and told Cease to say it and it was whatever. Big was just tryna feed the niggas on his block and give them some shine. It wasn’t about being pure like a wu tang or anything
What happened?
Two words: Biggie Died.
No, what happened was, nobody cared about them, except Big and Lil Kim. If Big were still alive, they wouldn't of gone nowhere still.
Junior Mafia was never a rap group. It just was family and homies from the hood. When big got on.... He put his team on. Only Kim and Cease rapped seriously. They spoke in the birth of Junior Mafia numerous times in old interviews
It is kind of crazy how fast a lot of these crews fall apart when their central star leaves. I'd say Junior M.A.F.I.A. were just not good rappers as a whole and even if Biggie didn't get killed, I don't think the group would've lasted long anyway. Same with The Outlawz and Pac.
They weren't rappers
But the Outlawz could actually rap.
Junior mafia had no answer for hit em up
Outlaws were ok
True
Hey, I thought CONSPIRACY was dope. Still bump it today. Aside from that, it is true and sad that most rap crews never achieve or maintain a dynasty. They just do enough to leave a mark.
Only songs that were worth a damn were the ones big was on
That Lil Cease album was pretty solid too💯
This one is simple Biggie’s death ended the mafia.
Damn, I was just listening to “Conspiracy” last week. Lots of great tracks on there aside from the singles: “Realms of Junior MAFIA,” “Lyrical Wizardry,” “Oh My Lord.”
The Bodyguard from Oochie Wally did go hard tho... also... Lil Kim did call Junior M.A.F.I.A. out on "Whoa" on my favorite track of her's
"Feel the movement, it's a whole new crew
Fuck Junior M.A.F.I.A., that chapter is through
Them f*****s done did somethin' that they can't undo
Whoever ridin' with 'em they can get one too
Coulda copped out to a one to three do
Still took it to trial, even though I blew
Crooklyn style, that's how we do it
Ill gangsters and ain't got to prove it"
Need a slum village or nappy rootz stunted growth
I don’t care what anyone says, if you were around when Conspiracy dropped, you knew that album was a definite banger. The production alone was stellar.
I gotta say it warmed my heart to see Cease & Kim make up.
Biggie said in a interview before " Life After Death" was released...concerning Junior Mafia..." I can't make them want it" and He pointed out that Kim is hungry...she writes...a little known fact that Voletta Wallace revealed in a very rare interview ...is that Cease is a distant cousin of Biggie's...the reason why he always had Him around, usually driving his car because Biggie did not have a License...Lil Kim had the total package...Cease had a great voice and he was on songs by Black Rob as well as Mobb Deep after Biggie's death...you did not mention Kleptomaniac...he was the One member who was shining on songs outside of Kim and Cease...The Snakes ...Trife and Larceny were kind of nice too but Lord Digga , Special Ed, and DJ Akshun deserve a lot of credit for their production...I heard rumours that Ed and Digga probably were ghostwriters too...you also should have mentioned that Junior Mafia was actually D Roc and Biggie's Crew on the streets...on the music side, you had Solo artists Kim, Cease, and Klepto...as well as two groups The Snakes and the Sixes...the reason why you see early promo images of Biggie wearing field jackets and other clothing with three 6's on it...at first, that was going to Biggie's first act under his wing...JM would be the Crew...you also forgot to mention Lance " Un " Riveria but it was still a great video!
Kim was the only star in that group it makes sense.
Lil cease hardest verse was on going all out with mobb deep.
Facts
Facts
Yep
Bi g fact my brother!
@@QueenieLaRouge Killa Cam wrote that
All junior Mafia had was Lil Kim and Lil Cease outside of Big, and Big was writing Cease verses , so pretty much Junior Mafia was Lil Kim lol
That lil Kim song no time went hard, still go hard
I remember I had her "hardcore" album cover poster hanging up on my room, man I had a huge crush on her when I was a teen
Since you already did Terror Squad, Dipset and now Junior MAFIA, you should do D-12, St. Lunatics, G-Unit, DTP and Nappy Roots
He just ran through DTP
@@MoroccanRose85 Nappy Roots was somebody's crew? I thought they was just a one hit wonder group
G unit had artist that went solo and had successful careers. Lloyd Banks a beast The Hunger For More was a great album. Buck and Game had great albums as well.
@@Notdroc they still had a stunted growth, as a group and solo. After G-Unit’s first album went 2x Platinum, what happened after that??? Same for Lloyd Banks and Young Buck. And Yayo only had one album. The beef with The Game made everything go downhill after that.
Right
RIP Biggie. He died when I was 16. My favorite rapper of all time.
Do a what happened the female rapper Boss. Alot of people don't know about her but she was one of the hardest female lyricist.
What about Hurricane G ?...She was out before Boss , Lil Kim and Gangsta Bo...( She is the one who had a baby by Eric Sermon ) She was a straight bad ass....
Alot of that list hit me in the feels bankroll mafia, st lunatics, outlaws and more were some of my favorites
You be having some good hip hop questions. I'm subscribing
I did not know that Cam wrote Cease's verse!!! I STILL PLAY that song to this day, one of my favourites. It makes sense that Cease didn't blow up (I thought he wrote it all along). Cease was wrong for what he did to Kim and I'm glad Kim was and still is the only star from Junior M.A.F.I.A.
She tried to help and they still did her dirty. They got what they deserved.
Kim was so beautiful before the surgery, but I get that she was bullied into changing her appearance. I still love her :)
Easy answer..... putting the homies on doesn't require the homies to have talent.
Also, please do Flipmode Squad
Wish We Would’ve Gotten “The Commission” Album With Jay-Z as Iceberg Slim
Exactly, that album would’ve been one of the best hip hop albums of all time.
Coke Boys, Brave Hearts, Wu affiliates, MO Thugs Family...the list goes on & on. At least with DPG, I will say they've had their ups & downs but both have survived in the game for 25+ years with collaborative efforts (with the first being a certified classic) & solo projects that were received well. & they continue to make music together to this day
Bruh..... I dont know if you did already but you should do a "Phillys most wanted". They dropped those 2 singles with the Neptunes and just faded away. Keep up the good content though 👍🔥
Word up I still have Conspiracy in the collection. Great segment
Is it a front to back play through.?
@@seanlamar29 hell naw .. other than the singles don't waste your time.
Lil cease solo album was good..the beats n features carried the album, but it was a overall good album.
I'm a huge fan of that album..
Biggie 🙏🏽was the one of greatest to ever do it so he put his friends on. Lil Kim was the only star in Junior M.A.F.I.A. Lil Cease was okay but he didn't have star quality. When Biggie died Lil Kim held Junior M.A.F.I.A. and Biggie memory down as strong as she could but it seems like a lot of her crew were just living off her and weren't pulling their weight (especially financially) When that whole shooting happened and Kim went to jail and Lil Cease allegedly took the stand and (snitched) Junior M.A.F.I.A. was pretty much over and done. Lil Kim music career hasn't been the same in years and the rest of Junior M.A.F.I.A. are basically non existent!! I do consider Lil Kim a legend and icon but her music career is basically over and done with....
Imagine If Cam was on Crush On You Instead of Cease
Dogg Pound wasn't a crew and they all went on to become succesfull more or less on their own talent.
Just discovered this channel, and I'm hooked! Keep making great videos man, great job.
90% Of the actual artists in Odd Future are successful. Even some of the rest of the collective have their own gigs going on.
Yea i didn't agree with him lumping them in that group but he is an old-school leaning cat so he probably doesn't pay attention to them so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but you def right
Cease didn’t not snitch on Kim all he said was that he knew her because the feds already new they grew up together and are in several rap videos together. Kim went to jail cause she lied on the stand instead of pleading the fifth she said that she didn’t know any of them so she went to jail for perjury. But they cool now I just seen them on tour last week I’m sure Biggie would be happy to see that.
You can't add outlaws..tupac didn't live long enough to see what he would have done for them
Facts
Nobody cared about the Outlaws on Pac's songs, they ruined most of them.
@@j04370859 shut up
It’s a shame what happened to biggie and his untimely death in 1997 . I don’t think or expect things would be the same after his passing because he was such a force to reckon with when it came to rap .
Most of the time people don't have the attention spand to be interested in all but one or maybe two of the members.
Outside of Wu-tang it really doesn't work in groups with more than 3 people.
Very true.. wu is super rare
Lil Kim used to be so fine 😔
Every homie can’t rap, mostly hype men but the lead got to make it look like he’s putting them on
Facts
Right
Great video. Covers so many good points.
"we keeping it real out here"
but yet we don't write our own raps🤣 People can definitely name more Outlaw names than J.M names🤷♂️
Lowkey facts
But they deliver those lyrics better than most they keep it real more than you ever would 🤷🏿♂️
Clearly the vultures just assume what they wanna assume because the MC’s in JM had their own style outside of BIG. Klept had bars and sound nothing like Big. The Snakes could’ve been bigger if they had the support because both Bris and Bangah could spit and write with a style of their own. Cease even has a style of his own. Till this day if you were to hear him on a line-up of lyricist (ie the KaySlay Rolling 110 Deep), you would know it was him. What stunted them was no one outside of Big didn’t care to have a continuous vision for them to financially support their music. Also according to BIG at that time or after their debut some of the members weren’t as hungry for it as he wanted them to be, hence why he only took the hungry members such a Cease and Kim; and use them as examples to show how successful they can be individually or as their sub groups under the JM name. Now Kim had good intentions to help the Mafia and carry on Big’s Legacy. Unfortunately she had 1 too many executives including Puff controlling her brand, which included the Mafia. That’s how the 2nd lp got shelved, which caused a riff between members professionally and personally. The Hot97 fiasco and the petty crimes that they were involved in during that time was just the icing that led up to the dismemberment of JM.
Best comparison of this, is Tupac dying, and taking the Outlawz careers with him. Nelly no longer rapping and taking the St. Lunatics careers with him as well. Everybody doesn’t have the same hunger and ambition as the leader of the crew.
50 cent sentiments are simila rto what you saying about G unit.
The Outlawz was a group that lost 2 members and still had a plat album. Not really the same thing
That Young G’z Perspective ft. Jay Z is a classic
Cease didn't snitch being on the stand doesn't necessarily mean you snitched
Well stunted growth, I didn't get the philly most wanted stunted growth hopefully I can get a bravehearts stunted growth
Biggie definitely had his bad qualities but it's sad how he tried so hard to be loyal help his friends and family even outside the JR Mafia situation for things to fall apart and ppl to be fighting with each other.
Dog Pound was fine. St. Lunatics and MMG did well.
Wu Tang Clan and Bone Thugs as well.
Being signed to bad boy the beginning of any downfall
Bad boy 700 million sold stop
Junior mafia wasn’t never signed to bad boy. They was signed to undeas /Atlantic I believe
Damn, didn’t know you hired Shakespeare for writing the intro, it’s 🔥 🔥
"Get Money" will always be my favorite song from them!
I remember buying Conspiracy when it came out and not being that impressed.. There was some good cuts on there like the main singles and also Backstabbers, Realms of Junior Mafia but the rest of it was trash
These ads are getting out of hand 🖐
The rough one big street connect from Brooklyn. He even celebrate his name on a personal song.
Goes to show you even if you are getting a push you still need actual talent to make it. Lil Kim and Cease had help but they also had the charisma to carry songs. The rest was the homie’s they not MCs. BIG should’ve given them all ghost writers or took them to “MC school” & developed them. Either that or given them behind the scenes jobs in the industry that could keep them paid.
You should do Westside connection
Outlawz and Terror squad also fell apart when their number option /Superstar passed away
The Outlawz don’t count
@@ZYaKnoe249 why?
*FUN FACT* Little Kimberly never needed a ghost 👻 writer ✍️. What happened was BIG was writing for Cease and other members.... and they never showed the initiative to start writing on their own.....or to record ⏺️ the songs he wrote for them while he was gone. He noticed that Kim ALWAYS HAD BARS, and was always down to do a song. He started putting his energy in KIM because he felt it was the only good investment out of the crew. Ceaser don't like rapping like that. The man put out one album in 25 years!!! Lil Kim only accepted BIG ghost writing for her because she was hopelessly in love with him. And he ain't even want her like that.
Love the content
FUN FACT: Biggie wrote Hard Core for Lil Kim and thered audio of him rappin the verses and the shits hilarious 🤣
Next to aod this favorite channel!
Cam also wrote ole girl’s verse from 3lw, no more
A crew where biggie and cam wrote all the rhymes
Great!!!!! One!! Loved it 🔥🔥🔥
It’s been proven Lil Kim writes her own verses, just like Nikki.
Biggie obviously wrote early rhymes for Kim, but she definitely studied his pen and became a great lyricist in her own right.
How TF was that proven
Yea so how do u explain safeeree checks plz educate me
NO she doesnt
In the Internet age, it’s not on me to prove anything that can be researched with a simple check.🤷🏾♂️
Which Junior Mafia member left for Real Estate success?
If you listen to "The What" by BIG and "Big Momma Thing"by Kim, the cadence and flow are the same in the opening of the songs. Kim had "Dreams of F******g a R&B D**k" BIG had "Dreams of F*****g a R&B B***h" and so much more. BIG made them... and also broke them
Good job. Short, concise.
D12 is another one that fell off. 😳
Good videos man
Do one on Das Efx or Lords of the underground.
Only Lil Kim had talent....the rest were just posers....people should just speak the truth. Smh
Exactly, its cause back in the 90s, rap crews had one or two rappers and a bunch of weed rollers
When biggie died, there was no one to write the music... Listen to the Get Money remix and Queen Bitch and tell me biggie didnt write those joints
Biggie not only wrote the rhymes, he came up with video treatments, and even the looks.
The people I knew from the Junior Mafia, was Biggie and Lil Kim ( of course) and Lil cease and we only knew him because he was Biggie cousin!!!
Do the fugees next
Bad boy and big label could’ve been a young money cash money thing going on with all those artist
Props to whichever member left for "real estate success". Wasn't expecting that.
A$AP & DOGG POUND had multiple careers that exploded... you wildn!
Do one on outlawz
I was about to say "that was Cam'ron"
if biggie didn’t died I wonder where junior mafia would be🤔
Nowhere he was starting on the commission next with Jay z and Charlie Baltimore
Disbanded same way if you as me. He would have probably still brought Kim with him when he was signing Cam and was doing the commission thing
@@minatodroger7890 big got tired of holding the weight for Jr mafia after 95 knowing they couldn't compete with the outlaws and dogg pound especially if he's writing all the lyrics its basically him vs that whole label Kim was just there to sell records cuz she went plat he already moved on to Charlie and he was forming the Commission with Jay as Charlie was gon be the new female of his group even gave her exposure on Kim own get money video she makes a cameo plus puff signed the lox and mase so big ain't really need Jr mafia as a rap group even by 97 he only took d-roc and cease with him to L.A J.M was basically his entourage once he got real spitters around him they were a after thought
Can we get more crew videos pls
Do Harlem World next
I still listen to them
I find it hard to believe that Lil Cease was only on 2 songs on Conspiracy. Also, Klepto was nice in my opinion.
Can You Do Shawty Lo Next?
@StuntedGrowthMusic Wasn't Aaliyah a part of Junior Mafia?
Lil Kim...just...wow...
@7:41 little Ceasers lol
Hey fam I love your work I watch all your videos I know all the artist except Earl sweatpants lol. Anyways if you have time I would like to see your thoughts on the original Three 6 Mafia group all right take care of looking forward for your next video.
Biggie Version of queen bitch is on here lol he definitely wrote for lil Kim
Crazy at least the outlaws stuck together
And did some projects after Tupac died
They couldn’t even function together as friends