When i saw the thumbnail, my initial reaction was "What kind of New Age fad are they getting into now" and i skipped over it with no interest a few times. However, as I finally stopped and listened to this interview, I was struck with the similarities to my promptings from the Holy Spirit over the past couple of weeks. Simply amazing.
Replying to my own post to explain and expand. First, please don't think I was concerned that Josh and Michael were going New Age - I am a faithful long term listener who has been impressed with their knowledge and exegesis and have come to trust their judgement. My thought was that they were exposing something that I would not likely have to directly deal with, and I was pleasenrly surprised to find a discussion of a topic that was very relevant to my current study of scripture. And to expand, Hans Boersma is the most gracious interview in the face of potentially challenging pushback I can remember. This was a great interview.
I was very curious about this take on the Lectio Divina. Remnant has always provided a loving, honest review of topics that are not generally considered "orthodox". I, too come from the pentecostal/charismatic tradition, and have personally found myself almost "gnostically" looking for "hidden" meaning in God's word - this was done with a sincere interest in truth yet misguided in my objective. Personal gain (pride) vs. seeking to understand God more/better. Recently, my church started to get into this and pushing a number of other spiritual formation techniques that even the pentecostals would question there origins. This was a very insightful discussion. I'm still guarded as this is the danger of interpretation - we all need discernment/confirmation/doctrine and history to proof this against. My sincere thanks!
It's a great book! Lectio divina truly is the most approriate way of approaching Scripture. We are meant to encounter God through it. I think all the great saints of the chuch history did approach the Scripture in this way. BTW, maybe you could have Dr. Boersma talk about the beatific vision next time?
Man oh man. I was so excited about this episode. I read publicly to groups, and they absolutely are engrossed in the subject matter whether it be worship or a church father or whatever. I checked out within five minutes of this episode. Tip to guest: be interesting. I love cerebral thought processes. But this guy was not engaging at all, and I would probably fail his class because I would be asleep half the time.
If you really want to know the word of God obey it. If you really want a closer walk with the Lord keep his commands. Study the word and put it into practice. These so called spiritual practices are bordering on mysticism religion. Study the Word with the basic intellect Gid gave you and ask the Holy Spirit to help you, it is that simple. Repeating a single scripture over and over in your mind is not the answer. Reading scripture in context, learning the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words will profit you far more than mysticism which come from pagan practices.
I gotta be honest, what this guy is saying sounds like a great way of going from “Hail Mary, thou art favored” to “Mary never sinned” I want to be understating and all, but this sounds dangerous
Lectio Divina seems to be very misunderstood. Those I know who are investigating progressive Christianity are wary of Lectio Divina (and all contemplative prayer), citing it as a gateway into progressive Christianity.
When i saw the thumbnail, my initial reaction was "What kind of New Age fad are they getting into now" and i skipped over it with no interest a few times. However, as I finally stopped and listened to this interview, I was struck with the similarities to my promptings from the Holy Spirit over the past couple of weeks. Simply amazing.
Replying to my own post to explain and expand.
First, please don't think I was concerned that Josh and Michael were going New Age - I am a faithful long term listener who has been impressed with their knowledge and exegesis and have come to trust their judgement. My thought was that they were exposing something that I would not likely have to directly deal with, and I was pleasenrly surprised to find a discussion of a topic that was very relevant to my current study of scripture.
And to expand, Hans Boersma is the most gracious interview in the face of potentially challenging pushback I can remember. This was a great interview.
Our women's Bible Study switched to this method last year and oh my goodness, I've never had such life giving experiences!
I was very curious about this take on the Lectio Divina. Remnant has always provided a loving, honest review of topics that are not generally considered "orthodox". I, too come from the pentecostal/charismatic tradition, and have personally found myself almost "gnostically" looking for "hidden" meaning in God's word - this was done with a sincere interest in truth yet misguided in my objective. Personal gain (pride) vs. seeking to understand God more/better. Recently, my church started to get into this and pushing a number of other spiritual formation techniques that even the pentecostals would question there origins. This was a very insightful discussion. I'm still guarded as this is the danger of interpretation - we all need discernment/confirmation/doctrine and history to proof this against. My sincere thanks!
It's a great book! Lectio divina truly is the most approriate way of approaching Scripture. We are meant to encounter God through it. I think all the great saints of the chuch history did approach the Scripture in this way.
BTW, maybe you could have Dr. Boersma talk about the beatific vision next time?
Man oh man. I was so excited about this episode. I read publicly to groups, and they absolutely are engrossed in the subject matter whether it be worship or a church father or whatever. I checked out within five minutes of this episode.
Tip to guest: be interesting. I love cerebral thought processes. But this guy was not engaging at all, and I would probably fail his class because I would be asleep half the time.
Never believe me, when I got that charismatic, "sinister chuckle"
Thumbnail helped me to understand what exactly was in that briefcase in Pulp Fiction...
If you really want to know the word of God obey it. If you really want a closer walk with the Lord keep his commands. Study the word and put it into practice. These so called spiritual practices are bordering on mysticism religion. Study the Word with the basic intellect Gid gave you and ask the Holy Spirit to help you, it is that simple. Repeating a single scripture over and over in your mind is not the answer. Reading scripture in context, learning the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words will profit you far more than mysticism which come from pagan practices.
YES!!!!! THIS! 👏👏👏👏
Interesting guy…obviously sweet godly and wise but difficult to listen to due to an apparent lack of social skills
I gotta be honest, what this guy is saying sounds like a great way of going from “Hail Mary, thou art favored” to “Mary never sinned”
I want to be understating and all, but this sounds dangerous
Is Michael’s book done yet?
Getting closer! I think I’ll finish this year and publish next.
@@michaelrowntree2005 looking forward to this!
👍🥰🙏
Is Hans Boersma , a Contemplative Charismatic
Anglo-Catholic. Contemplative comes from the catholic mystics as he mentions.
Lectio Divina seems to be very misunderstood. Those I know who are investigating progressive Christianity are wary of Lectio Divina (and all contemplative prayer), citing it as a gateway into progressive Christianity.
Come on don't copy from the One Holy Catholic Church?