Це відео не доступне.
Перепрошуємо.
MacBook M1 Pro | M1 Max for music production?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 10 лис 2021
- DECAP gets into his recent purchase of the new MacBook M1 Pro/M1 Max, and lets the producer community know if it is worth the money based on the performance when running multiple operations in your studio setup.
Download Knock Plugin: pluginsthatknoc...
Download Drums That Knock: drumsthatknock.com
Be sure to subscribe to this channel, and click the bell notification for daily music production tips, tutorials and more.
Follow DECAP:
/ decapmusic
/ decapmusic
open.spotify.c...
so stoked to receive my 14" M1 Pro. Finally upgrading my 2015 MBP, and will eventually transition fully to it from my desktop mac mini once all the plug ins transition.
I’m on the other side of the spectrum, got a 2015 MBP from a 2015 acer with a hdd drive. Took ages to load up anything 😅
Almost same here, mate. I'm upgrading from my 2014 MBP. My new M1 Pro will arrive on 2 Dec
@@JuanJacinto I'm also gonna upgrade my 2014 Macbook Pro. But I'm still not sure if I should go for the M1 Pro in the Macbook Pro, or the M1 Max in the Mac Studio. How is the M1 Pro working for you?
Same with bitwig. I've been using the M1 version of bitwig on the M1 MacBook pro 13" for months and it's wonderful and amazing. Loading a project takes one third to one fifth the time. More and more plugins are native, but with bitwig, plugins run in separate processes, so there's no issue because Rosetta take care of the problem. I can imagine that Live is equally wonderful. I can attest the M1 Pro runs *even better* than the plain M1. Thanks Apple! I have yet to hear the fans on the M1 Pro 14" though they do spin up (get TG Pro for $10 while the sale lasts). They are dead silent. I have heard (no pun intended) that they are even quieter on the 16", though I can't see it that it would matter. My UAD Apollo Solo runs just fine and has for months; it just takes a little care to get osx to approve of the driver.
Im just coming from a 2020 Intel Mac to a M3 Max with 64 gigs of ram ...going on two months now , I got the one with 40 GPU cores because I do video, after effects work and C4D stuff....and I have to say this computer is game changing for real! I definitely had to get used to not hearing the fan noise lol. Ive been using Macs since the G4 came out and the fan noise was something I always hated but had no choice but to deal with it, Ive only heard the fans kick in once and it was while doing some intense After effects work with a lot of layers and intense plugins generation particles, noise , etc and it wasn't that loud....I never had them turn on while doing audio production, Apple created beast with these M series Macs!
The intel that I currently have is a full blown heater fan noise beast I’m over it lol I’m looking to get a M1 studio Max in 2024 wish me luck
Have you tried Acustica Audio plugins or Nebula with Rosetta in Abelton? For me that is the ultimate test. Because many plugin developers are almost a year or more behind with adapting to M1 and now also Monterey, this MacBook M1 Pro/Max is probably at it's peak during 2023 or late 2022 (if the plugins we as individuals are using have been adapted). Kind of like having a Ferrari in the garage and waiting for someone to make the roads in your area.
Acustica runs kind of horribly.. BUT they are the only ones for me ..basically EVERY other plug-in brand works either through Rosetta or even natively at this point in time
@@guidosc3470 which do you talking about pls ?
not a single person ever did FL Studio test with 3rd party plugins god damn, can't wait to see FL Studio performance
That's because they are testing DAW's, not music apps. 😁
FL is more stable than Ableton and this has been the case for a couple years. they already have native Apple silicon support on FL..
@@RemmyMusic1 Sure it has “native” support and it performs like ass. All that complaining the FLStudio developers did about having to work on M1 support and they couldn’t even do it right. It’s a joke. Get a real daw like S1, Ableton, Logic, hell even Bitwig. Otherwise stick with FLStudio on PC because the Mac version sucks.
@@apoclypse « reel daw »
@@apoclypse that's what I was afraid of, could you please tell more about your experience?
Just ordered a 16” with the 24-core GPU M1 Max & 32gb RAM and I’m psyched to finally get a system I can hold onto for a while
thanks for this i’m stoked for mine in the mail. my understanding is the more GPU cores the more battery life it consumes, but that can be mitigated if you go with the 16” version. I went with the 14” and 24-core Max cuz Maxes render ProRes videos faster and have a higher memory bandwidth than the Pros. 14” will also be more susceptible to fan noise too for those on the fence, and will have to be weighed against portability as a consideration
I have the 2019 Macbook Pro, maxed out. Fans were incredibly loud and annoying especially for recording vocals. My solution was to run a fibre-optic thunderbolt 3 cable (by Corning) outside the studio and had the Macbook out there. These cables can run up to 50m with virtually zero latency. Just bought the new MBP though!
😂 crazy what that 2019 made us do
For anyone wondering, The M1 Pro and Max will perform the same for everything outside of video editing or graphics performance. They both have the same 10 cores for anything that doesn't require a GPU.
Yes, with one minor detail to consider: the Max chip has two extra memory interfaces. The extra bandwidth is not relevant for the scalar CPUs (it can really help the GPU), but each memory interface brings with it a (sizeable) block of system cache. The doubling of system cache could mean better performance for your application. If the cache hit rate goes up, as it should, it could mean fewer accesses to the DRAM, which could mean lower power consumption. That might be offset by the CPUs using more power because they are waiting less for memory references to be satisfied, but all in all, higher system cache hit ratio should mean better overall performance. I'm not sure it's worth the extra $$$, but it's something to consider if you are on the fence about which model to get.
huge difference between dslr and facetime cam. not bad as you said. but still a huge difference in quality. besides the unflattering angle of the facetime cam ;)
+1 dslr is far better.
Using M1 Max 32GB 4TB Monterey MacBook here, ( medium sized projects: around 150 tracks of vsti plugins and kontakt instances )
Cubase 10.5 runs very smoothly, Logic on the other hand is a little buggy.
Also all the VST plugins work in cubase but some AU plugins don’t work in Logic. I’m running everything thru Rosetta.
Only thing I miss is Virtual Guitarist 2 which is a 32bit plugin and Slate VSX that doesn’t work on Monterey at all. Everything else runs smoothly.
Yeah I kept my 2015 MacBook Pro and continue to use the new 2021 M1 MacBook Pro with very few plug-ins clean install if you wish
Lets have a little realitycheck here..90% dont need the Max version. I get it, it’s awesome to just get the best because then you know you have the most expensive one, but the max is in most cases, for most people overkill. The pro is the best bang for the buck without a doubt. And to be fair..if all you do is making music..even the regular M1 can probably handle all you throw at it within reasonable boundaries ofcourse. Whenever something like this comes out people tend to try and break it to see how much it actually handles, and then the viewers take that as a relatable issue to their own workflow..it’s not. With that out of the way, congrats on the Max 👍i would ofcourse get it too, not because i need it..i know i dont need it, but because i dont like to sit there thinking ; how much more does the most expensive one handle compared to mine..
Agreed - the M1 Pro 14" is probably a good sweet spot. My main issue with the 13" is lack of ports.
I still cannot max my regular M1 Mac Mini. But tbh I want M1 Pro on Mac Mini (Pro?).
I ended up with the M1 Air. I just hope that the 16GB is enough since that is the only thing that enticed me to upgrade to the M1 Pro.
You do if you use lots of RAM-heavy sample instruments. Only the M1 Max can be configured with 64G of RAM.
Max has faster memory bandwidth
I use a PC and my friend uses a Mac. Both of us have, what I would consider, top spec loadouts. He has an M1 Max with 64GB RAM and 1TB SSD, I use a water-cooled 7950X with 64GB DDR5 running at 5600 MHz. Both of us can push the systems pretty hard but he can do it while drawing 60-80W for the entire system while my CPU alone will happily sit at 140W at the CPU alone(I have it slightly down locked). The rest of the system is probably drawing another 200W at a minimum, and can go as high as 4-500W if I'm doing anything video/graphic intensive. Granted, he paid more than 2K more for his than what I did, but his is dead silent, portable, and can probably run circles around my system at la fraction of the power draw.
The M1 chip is truly insane.
I’ll let you guys know about music production and E Kit when I get my M1 Max in April 2022.
super dope Bro! your the best! thanks a bunch! I do have a question for any one that can answer it. can you do migration on plug ins or will they have to be installed one by one. Since rosetta act like intel shouldn't a migration work from my older to computer to this one? please if any one has done either I need some info to see what's to come. LOL that's a lot of plugins to do one by one. but well worth it
Max literally just adds GPU performance, so unless you're live-streaming at the same time and want more than 32 GB of RAM the Pro will perform pretty much 99% the same, and give you longer battery life.
Don't sleep on the vanilla M1!
Great stuff!❤
That's dope. Also excited by the 12th gen Intel chips! I might get the LOWEST spec 2021 m1s 🤔
750 Watts and water cooling towers on that Volcano Lake processor.
@@tonyburzio4107 If a desktop is what you're after, that doesn't matter.
" TOP LINE..... Go Light With the Plug-ins Indeed ! "
My issue right now... some plug in usage is demanding an ilok usb... and some waves plugins are not able to run on this 16" m1 max I just dropped huge cash on.. is this an upgrade?? No, I'd say m1 max is just down time as of now... any advice?
Run the MacPro m1 max in low power mode to get an idea 💡 of how a m1 pro would handle the load ? 🙏🍏
I remember you having the graphics issue, and I told you that it is something to do with graphics but nobody believed.
it definitely is. It happens specifically when you keep adding 3rd party plugins.
what sample rate can we do on the m1 max, can we finally do 96k on this now? anyone
m1 max camera isnt bad for an in unit. The DSLR does blow it out of the water tho tbh.
What a stupid comment. You cant compare the 2 at all
Best vid thanks man!!
Go down the line for more basic models imo, the time all software is ported to M1 more powerful machines will be selling.
May we get a video on your streaming setup !?
How do you manage your midi in your studio ? And how do you connect alls your gears to your laptop ?
Not sure was this here already but is there anywhere a check list for transferring your system plus vsts etc. from old Mac to a new one? I‘m going to do this next week.
My main question is “how long will these computers last?” - I worry that Apple has fixed the fan noise problem but maybe not the cooling problem, because they’ve never nailed this in the past. This could lead to an even shorter functional shelf life. Hope not tho! My i9 is loud as hell.
Thermals haven’t been a problem with apple silicon at all. That’s something that you can see right away
The DLSR all day dude 📷
Hey, thank you for the content. Are you consistently finding that the M1 Max is silent? Even when pushed fairly hard in ableton? Perhaps anyone else with the M1 Max 32 core can also comment?
Thanks! Are your old docks compatible? Can the Caldigit TS3 charge the m1 max and support everything with one thunderbolt cord?
Thanks for video my friend. I have a question that is confusing the tar out of me? I am ordering a new MacbookPro. They have option to upgrade internal SSD drive to 4 TB. My question can you use a single internal SSD drive to install everything (operating system, Ableton, Komplete, Plugins, documents and both audio and video projects? I like the idea of having a simple workflow and use a cloud based service or secondary drive to backup samples and projects. Just wondering now that they have these super fast processors and huge SDD drives if using a secondary drive is necessary. Thanks
What did you choose? How is it working?
@@DaveSchulze I still have not ordered because it was back ordered for a month and I needed laptop for a trip I was taking but when I return home going to go with 32 GB and 4 TB SSD because my plugins almost take up 2 TB and want to have enough memory on hard drive to have all my plugins and still record my music. Of course I will backup songs but just makes sense to me to be able to take my laptop with me without the need to carry an external drive around. Thanks for checking in!
@@director2bob Thx Bob. I grabbed a 16” Pro/32GB/4TB off the Apple Refurbished site. For the same reasons as you. The 16GB/1TB performed well. And while I can certainly streamline my process and what I absolutely need, having 2TB seemed essential for space. I can fill up 1TB w samples and libraries. 32/4 is probably overkill and certainly cost more but the comfort of knowing that is better to me than feeling like I have to micromanage. I recommend a daily refresh of the Refurbished. 24 hrs vs weeks to build.
@@DaveSchulze thanks for advice. I didn’t even know they sold refurbed models of the new 2022 MacBook pros or I would have bought one. Gonna buy same rig you have if available. I get 10% off Apple products because I am a vet plus just got Apple credit card which is another 3% back plus interest free installments so no brainer. Going to Google now to see what’s available. Thanks again for advice ✌️
Have you spoken about the plug-in support?
From what I’m hearing that’s the issue for me…
What cams are you using? The small ones in the back?
would the base 14 be good? or go 10 core?
Are you recording video through ecamm as u stream or are you recording on the individual cameras?
It's recording through Ecamm while I stream.
Anyone know compatibility with izotope, native instruments, softube, various plugins? Which ones don’t work well? Especially with current OS?
izotoe rx9 works fine for me on Monterey (MBA M1)
What about ProTools with HDX cards?
UA plug-ins?
Waves?
Native and Arturia?
UVI?
Dolby Renderer?
Dante?
UAD plug-ins almost all are native since 9.15 - Waves 13 is native
Pro Tools does not run well at all as of now, this is less of an M1 issue and more of a macOS Monterey issue. Waves and UAD is mostly fine from my experience.
Question? Do you think that for most producers, the 1tb would be enough? Or do you think I should cancel my order and get a bigger storage one. I don’t have many samples but I do have kind of a lot of vsts. I was already planning on storing any complete projects on an external hdd. (I also don’t have all my vsts installed on my current Mac cause it’s an air. ) I guess I’m just scared I’m gonna run out of room down the line.
Keep the order and get an external if u use that up. If I cop I'm gonna get the 512gb variant and spend the extra money on 32gb ram (I have a 2tb hardrive - if that's too slow compared to the SSD then I'll get an external down the line).
@@HGCProd thanks I was kinda of having buyers remorse cause I’m always extra when I buy things but I think keeping the smaller ssd will prevent me accumulating crap.
@@adrianlara5045 that's a good way if looking at too 💯💯 enjoy the laptop fam
Shove a low-profile 256GB SD card in the slot. You can back up projects and keep samples and presets there. Get a 1TB SD card if you need the space.
@@briancase6180 oh that’s so clever but so obvious why didn’t I think of that? That’s especially good as a mobile solution.
Live beta on M1 Air flys ✈️
How long do you think the wait will be for developers to catch up to the new iOS? As of now a lot of what I have isn’t compatible.
6-8 months
not before the next iOS is released... :D
3 years later finally getting M1 Max 😂
dslr camera crush the webcam
however, VST plugins do not yet support M1, so its useless rn.
Vst is windows only
Video title , how is M1 Pro \ Max for music production. At 5.36 ‘I don’t know I don’t have the Pro and haven’t used it’ 🤦🏻, UA-cam, UA-cam, UA-cam
Yes, there's a huge difference between those two cameras. The MBP camera has a horrible noise reduction, and the skin looks way too polished and fake. The colour saturation sucks. It is a bad camera and the notch is unnecessary.
For a laptop camera? Not at all. Also, when you say “the notch is unnecessary”, the older ones is still there and as tall - it’s just in a taller bezel that goes all the way across. I’d argue that all that black space not being used for anything is what’s unnecessary.
@@studieslessonstheoryetc141 Exactly. I see this dumb take everywhere.
🙏🙏🙏
It’s better with the M1 max camera ...
It’s brain storming ..🧠🧠🧠🧠
The M1 pro is extremely good
For music production only, purchasing the M1 Max isn't remotely useful compared to the maxed out M1 Pro. Both have 10 CPU cores. You don't need extra GPU cores for music. In fact, you're paying more for a shorter battery life.
Unless you need more than 32GB of RAM...
@@imhaydenmelrose True
With the laptop cam you look like all the girls on instagram with filters, it looks fake, not as natural as the dslr(by far) 😂👍
lmao idk why every music producer loves apple so much XD like, you know you can get the same quality for half the price with other companies? also i love the apple products specs and performance graphics, looks like they're made by a child (almost no real info and just cool colored curves)
Just my opinion of course, but as someone that has spent a considerable amount of time on both Windows and Mac in this field, I choose Mac every time when it comes to audio. I have a fantastic custom built PC that I use for gaming that can do everything and more SPECS-wise as my Mac does, however the easiest way I can explain it is...
"Macs just work". I rarely, if ever, have to bother with drivers, .dll problems, etc. Everything is always plug and play. Windows is also incredibly bloated with a bunch of annoying things pre-installed. You can install some of them, sure, but not all. AppleCare is also second to none.
I get the bang for your buck argument when it comes to the specs, I truly do, and I've tried to make the switch to PC for production for this reason and I hate it in comparison every time.
@@iAmWrythm yeah i agree with you on that, apple stuff is very user friendly. But ye, i just find curious that so many people recommend a macbook to begginers when that shit costs thousands of dollars XD there are a lot better ways to invest your money imo
@@pikatoste sometimes your time and nerves are more valuable than the money saved by going with windows. The value proposition is - get things done, without pulling hair or screaming at your computer.
I guess it depends if you are serious.
@@tonyburzio4107 There are plenty of serious producers/musicians that use Windows. Linux as well.