Full Caldera Cone by Trail Design vs XS Caldera Cone by Zelph
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Full Caldera Cone by Trail Design vs XS Caldera Cone by Zelph
Which is traps the heat in better and reduces boil times in real world testing?
For more info on the Trail Designs cone visit their site at:
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For more info on the Zelph cone and kit visit their site at:
www.woodgaz-sto...
Thanks Mark I'm really enjoying your stove comparison series especially with these windscreens
Thanks Tony! I appreciate it, glad you're enjoying them!
Cheers Mark for the stove comparison series very informative, I use a Caldera Cone with an Evernew pot heated by a Zelph Starlyte stove. Very efficient in use.
Yes it is! Great system, thanks!
Keep it up. Nice comparison. My system is the titanium Caldera with the Toaks Siphon stove. That stove lets me easily pour unused fuel back in the bottle.
I'm nut sure what pot I have (16 oz) but the whole system including fuel, lighter and inferno insert, is the size of a Gatorade bottle. I use wood instead of alcohol about half the time. The inferno really cuts down the smoke and soot.
Thanks
Thanks!
That Trail Designs cone is looking is looking like it could be the one. I have a long time to wait until the final verdict though. Great idea on this series.
It does seem to work the best! I am strongly considering buying some thin gauge ti and doing this design in the ti. Thanks!
Thanks Mark. I suspected that would be the case, but it is nice to know for sure. All stove tests should be done with wind. Maybe a fan in the shop to simulate wind.
Thanks Richard.
The TD Sidewinder wth Kojin stove and Evernew 600ml pot may be worth a look too...
Man, you're making me spend even more money! haha, I'll check it out though. Thanks!
Very timely for me. I have been debating these two setups. I started leaning towards the side winder setup with the kojin stove, so I ‘ll be eagerly awaiting your next video.
Thanks! The kojin test is a few weeks out at this point, but will be coming.
Another great review! Thanks as to how you did the comparisons. Very informative. I really enjoy your channel.
Awesome! Thank you!
Awesome comparison. I just built an aluminum cone similar to the sidewinder with a hole pattern more like the full cone to use with an esbit stove. Hoping to test it out this weekend.
Right on, let me know how that system works out for you! Thanks!
Hey Mark, thanks for the good review. I was about to pull the trigger on the caldera cone when I decided to check out a couple reviews. Interesting results with your comparison test. Sounds like maybe the big Caldera cone is suffocating the 12-10 stove a little bit. I would be interested to know how it does with a bit more breathability.
I have found that the Kojin and that type of burner is the best option with the cones. Thanks!
Awesome vids, thanks for all the work! This is the specific test I was looking for to decide between the two cook systems.
Good, I'm glad I was able to lend a hand with that! Thanks!
I would conclude that the TD cone is much better at trapping heat, is also heavier and bulkier, and the two stoves are comparable. 7:00 and 7:15 for the TD is easily within the error margin of this test, and can be counted as equal. Ditto for 10:00 and 8:50 for the Zelph. That's about 11% difference, which I think is within the margin of error.
The difference in the two cones is larger, and significant, *_if you think it is._*
Just as the size and weight difference is significant *_if you think it is._*
The fact that one boils water faster is not any more significant than the fact that the other is more compact. It depends on what each individual hiker prefers.
Personally, I might think if one system gave a 10 minute boil and the other a 3.5 minute boil, that might be significant. Since one gives a 7 minute boil and the other a 10 minute boil, I don't personally see that as a big deal. Sitting here on my couch, I don't see a big deal over a half-ounce weight difference either. (Day three on the trail, maybe moreso.) But I do see a big deal in the packability of the two.
I'd be interested in knowing how much fuel each used to bring that boil. That directly affects how much fuel I have to pack around for a few days, and could mean the difference between carrying a 4 oz bottle or an 8 oz bottle for the same trip.
You’re right, packability is important. I found Stormin Sotve Systems out of the UK that makes a cone that is the size of the caldera cone, in titanium, that comes apart in two pieces and will fit in the pot.
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I've seen it, too. It looks great.
There's a video on UA-cam somewhere showing how to make a piggyback caldera cone like that.
Good test. Results as one would expect but I'll take the ability of the Zelph cone to store in the pot anyday over the pack separate caldera.
Another good choice is the Stormin Stoves cones out of the UK, they have 2 piece ones that will provide the same coverage as the Caldera, but fit in your pot! Thanks!
Very good test. For me currently, the smaller size and packability is key..
And by the way, I love your work on they HYOH podcast. Keep it up!
Thanks Thomas! There are plusses and minuses on each thing, that's why I like doing this!
Sounds like I’m going to pair the caldera cone with my ⭐️ light. The one thing I don’t like about them is that they are pot specific
Yeah, that is the one downside. Thanks!
Thanks, interesting demo. I would think that the full Caldera cone would be the consistent winner because it engulfs the entire vessel holding water. Do you also have a total burn to exhaustion time demo with each system? Again, I think with the efficiency of the complete coverage of the full cone, it should be the winner. It will be interesting to see the results. Is a few minutes of boil time as significant a factor if the total fuel consumption is the same?
Great point! The cone is more efficient for sure.
Thank u
No problem
So the Zelph cone system doesn’t block the wind from the pots sided and the wind is actually slowing the pots ability to heat the water?
Yes.
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Makes sense!
I’d like to buy one (just the cone) & started researching both after watching your video…Thanks!
The results are what I would expect. But the stove with the trail design is mor efficet at producing heat as it boiled water 2 minutes faster. Or there has to be other thing in play to account for the fasted boil time.
You are also confirming 12oz H2O is the limit for 1oz EtOH.
Thanks.
Adventures with Frodo The caldera cone allows for more heat transfer onto the pot, like up the sides of the pot. The Zelph cone doesn’t come up as far on the pot, thus missing out on transferring heat onto the sides more.
Ture, thanks!
Bonjour about trail designs 12 - 10 alcool stove, how long for the flame to light and the stove to be operational ? in seconds or minutes ?
Seconds
Ok merci 👍
does the mini cone fit inside the 550 when you pack it up?
Yes, I show that at the end of this video. Thanks!