Well what were they going to add onto the series thematically? Simply rehashing the same stories of all of the killers we already know is rather tedious.
David Fincher said he may return to it. Just a question of when. If you want my opinion... I reckon he had a falling out with Netflix. Probably something to do with his long-time friend, Kevin Spacey.
Fun fact: Damon Herriman who plays Manson here, also played him in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Kinda cool that he got to play the same character at different points in his life
The smile Holden pulled after Manson stuck his tongue out to him, which was exactly like the real one, seemed so honest and unscripted, like the actor was actually surprised by the similarities. Great scene!
Yes I loved that scene too and it's something the real Manson would have done Herriman nailed his performance dead on. I also liked when Manson asked for his sunglasses then hurriedly scribbled something in Holden's copy of Helter Skelter. What he scribbled was "Each night you sleep, I destroy the world. Scary 😱 and the creepy-crawly can you imagine going to bed and waking up and noticing somethings been moved in your house creepy
No it isnt. Maybe you need to do a bit of research. There is no evidence to suggest someone can act so well that they become the guy they are playing! You sound absolutely ridiculous. I'm hoping you arent this thick, I'm hoping you just don't understand what 'literally' means. Q
David fincher is focusing on his new movie a biopic named Mank based on the real life dispute between the writer(Mank) and the director(orson welles) of Citizen Kane over the credit issues. After that, he will return to making the mindhunter series.
I talked to Holt McCallany, the actor who plays Agent Tench, and he said Fincher definitely wants to continue making Mindhunter after he finished his other projects. I only hope Netflix doesnt say no when David wants to continue a series like 2 years after it was put on hold.
Ry Guy are you ignorant? The shows on “indefinite hold” so yeah the show could never come back I wasn’t saying that it wasn’t so thanks for your plain dumbassery it was amusing
Mindhunter is at its best in the interviews and they are masterful. Kemper's self-awareness, Manson's ruthless exploitation of Tench's sense of guilt for his family problems, Speck's overcompensation, Rissel's surprising insight, every single interview is pitch-perfect. You really get a sense that these are real people, somebody you might bump into in the course of your everyday life. They don't feel like "movie bad guys" despite being every bit as bad as one. Arguably worse. I so wish that Netflix would continue with another season.
The fear you have can be smelled for miles away. All you did there was trying to ridicule a reflection of yourself. That’s because you hate what you’ve become and what you see in the mirror everyday. lol. So you hide behind your retarded jokes and you play Keyboard warrior one minute and wank to your perversions on xhampsyer the next. lol. And then you wonder every second of the day why your life is so fucked up. Always Looking for someone else to blame for your reality, waking up every morning to that same routine of yours , knowing that you are in a prison that you can never escape because deep down all your addictions are stronger than you. 😂
I met a guy in 1998 who actually met Manson in prison. He told me Manson had a way of talking to you that made you feel sorry for him, like he was the victim. The character I am watching on the screen when I see this scene is exactly the way the man described Manson to me. This actor did an amazing job.
While I won't say he is a victim, cause he really isn't, there should be a sense of empathy given. He's human, too. And he's got thoughts and opinions, too. Just because he led a a bunch of pseduo-cultists(which lets be honest, in a world full of religious cults, is more than benign) to kill some people, mainly that wrong him(Manson). He should be understood, but this doesn't mean the guy should be forgiven, or let go(when he was alive), or whatever. Just merely understand who he is and why he became the way he did.
His name is Damon Herriman, he also played Charles Manson in Quintin Tarantino's Once upon a time in Hollywood. He needs more recognition and appreciation. His performance as Manson is criminally underrated.
@@bobthestinky7369I love Justified, amazing writing and actors, might be my favorite series of all times... I hope it will be picked up again, not sure if there are any chances but we can always hope.
The brilliance of the scene is how Tench starts to truly feel attacked by Manson’s words, it ties in to what he’s going through with his son and it’s why he starts arguing the way he does. You can tell Manson is having an effect, which surprises Holden. This is such a well written amazing show.
Yeah during this scene, you could tell that Tench was getting heated and took everything that Manson said personally. Even Holden noticed how angry he was getting.
@@nonyabiznes248 Yeah He is a wonderful actor. It should been him playing Manson in Aquarius. Gethin Anthony was okay. But not even close to Damon Herrimans performance. When I saw this scene in Mindhunters. It actually felt like it was the real Manson.
When I read your comment I thought, 'If I felt weirdly convinced by an actor reciting words as a representation of Charlie Manson, I wouldn't admit it.' But then I realized...I'd have to be possessed of a completely different mind, the kind of mind in which fictional depictions can pass as compelling, even convincing rhetoric. With a mind that slack, most anything is possible.
In a way he has.. he can say: Tex... jump of a bridge. If Tex jump of a bridge, is that because of charly ? But in this case it was murder. So he js also reliable. Except not according to Manson. Since he says no matter what i say, everyone is responsible for his own "circle"
Actually was Fincher's decision it seems. Too tiresome to produce. But I'd also give a lot to see at least season 3 to complete arcs of BTK, Tench's son and Wendy.
Oscar winner Bong Joon Ho is a big fan of the show and he has made a serial killer movie before and he said he always wanted to direct Mindhunter. honestly, they should give season 3 to him. Imagine an Oscar winner director directing this?! damn what a shame Netflix won't go for it.
electra heart well, actually no, Netflix and David Fincher (the director of Mindhunter) have had some disputes and Fincher is working on other projects at the moment. It’s just that we may not see the next season for some time, this could change the cast of actors for the show as well.
There's not going to be another season of anything. The world is coming to an end at this moment. We're just going out with a whimper, then maybe a bang.
He’s like 90% Manson. He does a FANTASTIC job playing him, seriously it’s terrifying. But Charles didn’t talk with long responses to questions. He would just talk shite and hullabaloo whenever a question got personal.
This was one of the most phenomenal scenes I've ever seen on any episodic show. The acting was Flawless here... if this guy does not win an Emmy for his portrayal of Manson then the award shows are blind!
Rob These days everyone is way too fuckin sensitive to shit so this actor’s performance might not get credit because people will feel like it’s ‘humanizing’ Manson. Just like how they did the Ted Bundy film
Don't get your hopes up. Last season Cameron Britton who played Ed Kemper ABSOLUTELY deserved his Emmy and was snubbed. Roles like these rarely get awarded because they don't wanna idolize serial killers.
This country has gone haywire in the last few years, everyone gets offended by just about anything you say or do. Hollywood is definitely on The Chopping Block it's unfortunate because these actors from this incredible show deserve a s*** ton of attention.
Notice Manson's expression change when he immediately pegs Holden as a mark. It's creepy how perceptive he is, and how he knows just the right buttons to push.
Everyone's acting in this show is amazing. I sat for a whole episode full and I just realized I'm actually watching a show. Feels like the event really happened before my eyes.
Manson always spoke just enough truth to make you nod your head in agreement at how messed up society can sometimes be. That’s what’s really scary. And this actor did a phenomenal job👏🏽🎥✨
You can blame society but if you messed up you also have to blame yourself...Everyone know that murder is wrong even if you grow up in a suck environment, abusive family and ignorant society. They keep playing with the blame card like it's because I grow up with sick society..Keep blaming to prove your crime is innocent is coward..Unless you're psychosis and not personality disorder then you realized the reality and the crime you do but you don't feel guilt because of some factors like genetic(based on current science) or trauma but still know that it is wrong and you can control it..
@@muhammadfirdausabdulmanaf7354 .What makes someone a killer? Not being raised and treated decent , then he mixed psychedelics in their original raw format with those emotions.And that is society taking a shit on him , he made society smell some of the shit...keep telling people to buck up , clearly it.works and when it doesnt , the person is to blame cuz someone had his childhood and got over it and he didnt..maybe were NOT all the same ?
@Pooh Xi fair shout, his mannerisms are on point. Its jusy pitch. But very good reprisentation of the man himself. Ive always thought Rob Zombie would make a great Manson Movie.
2:31 to 2:59 that is such a Powerful dialouge between the two of them, from the story point of this entire show, we know that, that officer's son is kinda 'different', and shows the same traits as most of the serial killers showed at a very young, that these guys are talking to, it would ironic if his son turns out this way, but when mansons character said, 'your own children that you are ignoring' I couldn't help but think about that officer's son. That is a very interesting story line there, unfortunately if the show is cancelled we'll never know how it ends up.
It is implied, He could have some anti-social traits. We also know the boy does not like men, with him avoiding his father quite a bit. Maybe something happened before his adoption
As soon as this episode ended, I looked up if they used a deepfake or a voice modulator for Manson's actor. Nope. Just an insanely detailed and spot-on performance. I was absolutely floored
I met Damon Herriman during the Sydney Film Festival this year when we sat next to one another at a movie. He’s the nicest and humblest guy which is the complete opposite of Manson. Funny enough he just keeps getting typecast as scumbags. But boy does he leave an impression onscreen. What an incredible talent.
He wasn't a scumbag in Love My Way - have you seen it? It's a few years old now, but in a short run it proved itself an amazing show choc full of talent. Easily as good as Six Feet Under, but very Sydney, very Australian.
As soon as he walked into the scene I couldn’t believe how much he looked like Charles Manson. It is insane how he looks like him! The casting in this show is amazing!
The guy who plays Ed Kemper was amazing but the man who played Charlie…..OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Complete transformation. I thought I was literally looking at the real Charlie Manson
I love how beneath the facade of insanity there is sanity in the way he speaks, this is such a brilliant piece of filmmaking I absolutely love this scene. Fincher at his best.
"My bell rings, I get up" "My bell rings, I'm going out." "My bell rings, I'll do what that bell says. I'm Pavlov's dog, man. I'm anything you want me to be" My favourite scene.
I mean copying a voice is quite hard but listen to any manson interview and I would say he did quite a good of a job tbh. A lot of the time they do have the same speech pattern and voice
@@ziudra91 Mate he meant complete opposite, HE describe himself as being their "parent" but he cannot be punished by his children sins as the same way your parents cannot be punsihed if you commit a crime. Same if you make sin you cannot blame God 👍
@@MD-tc3vy @M D The greek god apollo was said to have a golden tongue that could only speak the truth. One day he allowed a wise man to ask him one question, the wise man asked "What is the answer to every question humanity will ever have about the nature of what we do not know". Apollo answered:
"One is all, all is one As it is above, so it is below As it is with the gods, so it is within you" Just as a sinner cannot blame God for his sins, the child cannot blame the parent for theirs.
I'm in the midst of reading "Mindhunter" and Agent John Douglas (inspiration for Holden) writes that Manson actually did sit like that in Behavioural Sciences's interview with him. From studying his history, Douglas deduced that Manson wanted to be like a preacher, giving a sermon, as he did often with his family.
@Brian Walsh You're probably right i watched an interview he did with 60 minutes Australia and he refused to sit down on a shorter chair and look up at anyone.
I've watch many Manson interviews. And it's like the show didn't write lines for him, cause it's feels as if they just copy and paste from the real Manson. Just feels like something he'd actually say. Same with Bray Wyatt from the WWE.
One thing I love, and I don't know if it was intentional, is how Charles Manson was foreshadowed in Season 1 as the epitome of pure evil genius, and how in Season 2 there was such a build-up to his arrival, he was the One, the golden key to understand how an genius psychopath, a criminal mastermind, functioned. When we finally get there, the anticipation is intense: the camera zooms in, the chains rattle in the distance like warning us he is come, at last. Holden even stands up slowly, almost reverentially, and respectfully passes the microphone asking for his permission. And for a while you're also thinking: "Oh, my God, it's THE Charles Manson" And then Manson appears... And talks... He is so insecure about his height that he sits on top of the chair in a pathetic attempt to establish dominance. His entire speech is just him blabbering about blaming others, trying to sound deep and look like the victim. He doesn't seem or sound that smart, and contrary to what many get from the interaction, I don't think he was getting under Bill's skin, much less manipulating him; on the contrary, Bill was furious, and he spoke to Manson the way he did because he recognized who and what he was and wanted to put him in his place ("You f*ing midget"). So, by the end of this scene -even halfway through this scene-, I was astonished by how the show had successfully brought Manson down from the pedestal it had deliberately put him before, and told us that despite all his evil and cunning, Charles Manson was not a genius or a criminal mastermind. He was really just a pathetic, dumb, coward and mediocre loser filled with spite and malice.
I kinda disagree with the Bill thing. I really do think Manson was getting under Bill's skin, and Bill became aggressive because it was a "stressor" as Manson seemed to have spoken of things resonating with his current life. But I do agree with the rest of what you said! This scene did feel like they put him up in so high a pedestal, then made you realize he is just pathetic after all. But notice how even in the comment section, there are a lot of people who seemed to relate with what he said, and several even quoted him as if in reverence. So it's kinda a mix of both, I think. He can lure you in, but not in the sense that "oh, he is so smart and a genius" like with Kemper, but more like "he is not so different than me, he's also weak, I can relate to him." Which I think fits his cult leader persona very well.
wow, rude much. but I agree with what ur talking about. the only thing I like about the real Charlie is this man's humor and HE SINGS really well or at least I like how he sings. but contrary to what ur saying, he can be deep sometimes
manson's words were not entire garbage. we do live in our mental prisons. he was indeed a product of prison system given the fact that he had been incarcerated since he was a boy. he does ask a relevant question that how a person becomes a person? is it by what child learns from parents? and he did get under agent tench's skin. he reacted angrily as he realized that he was responsible in a way for what his son experienced/did.
You sound like an asshole incapable of understanding people outside of your own zone and philosophy and understanding their feelings and why they do what they do. It’s people like you that breed people like Manson.
You need to look at your game, buddy. Manson was a MKULTRA Prodigal Son.... Just like Ken Kasey, like Ginsberg... 2 sides of a CIA/Pentagon Minted coin that in the end proved that you can never Kontrol Minds with Psychedelics and Hallucinogens, and yet still wea;ponise it not through the chemical itself, but the culture around it. You sir, are a fool, as are we all.... The beginning of Wisdom. May you reach enlightenment. Manson was many things... Stupid is definitely not one. He knew he should never have been let outta the cage before it took 2 murders, a pantheon of expert witnesses and god knows how many armchair pyschs... He knew, and warned them, many times... And the moment he reached the Nirvana of the Haight Ashbury, he provided a dose of reality for those that thought FlOwEr PoWer was going to save us all.
Charlie did ramble and talk a whole lot without actually SAYING ANYTHING but he also SPOKE THE TRUTH about people who were stepped over if they were LUCKY enough not to be stepped on first!! The actors that portrayed the "KILLER'S" were AMAZING!!!
That’s what cult leaders like Manson preyed on. They lured in vulnerable and hurt people who are looking for meaning and support. They are the kinds of people who would easily fall for cults because they are easily impressionable.
I love how this scene uses Manson's character as a way to make tench question his parenting abilities after the incident his son was involved in. Not to mention the uncanny portrayal by a gifted actor from the same country as yours truly.
I'm amazed, I've binge watched all of the Manson prison tapes and even some of the trial tapes; and this by far is a chillingly brilliant adaptation of Charle's character. The face, the hair, the beard, the vocal inflections and mannerisms. Simply amazed at how the actor has pulled it all off, and now I gotta binge watch the show as well. It's honestly as perfect an impersonation of a character as I have ever seen, I'm completely struck lol.
"If you know you know, then what you doing talking to me? it's yourself you need to talk to." So profound yet so disturbing. What he alleges is that society rejected the people within his social group way before me got involved with them. That they were what they were when he met them. sure they looked up to him and he showed them a few things along the way. Things like how to rob cars or use their bodies to help enable a large amount of them to live rent free in a beautiful place. He shared things with them and helped create a community but ultimately his stance was that the people that lived within this so called commune were all lost souls, delinquents that he befriended and used at times but that ultimately had their own issues and had committed crimes long before he met them. And that they continued to commit crimes after he met them. He just says so in ways society cannot comprehend or simply refuses to. Maybe He is lying. I honestly don't know. But his argument isn't insane if you listen to it. If he was given the opportunity to argue that his. His right to a trial never really came to fruition. He could not testify himself for fear of his powers of persuasion being too great and the president announced his guilt publicily prior to the trial. So there was no argument to be had. He was guilty. Had he had his opportunity to argue though he would have stated (in his own odd way I'm sure) that the people he befriended committed crimes before he met them. Some of them violent ones. They may not have been caught but he didn't run with the 9-5 kinda crowd. People he messed with and liked and lived with did criminal things at times. Not always but at times. They were simply that way inclined but they were like that before he met them and lived with them. Then When he was living with them and they approached him outlining their play that he do whatever they pleased but that he wanted no part of it. He may have been somewhat complicit and perhaps keeping him off the streets has been a good thing. Probably in hindsight although I'd argue that supposed rehabilitates more than imprisonment. Ultimately though if we actually look at our own laws he should not have been imprisoned for life for his crimes. If anything he was complicit but not to the degree that he was the sole or main conspirator. The fact that the people who killed Shannon tate etc have been released or many of them have whilst Manson remained locked up seems odd to me.
I've been watching every Manson interview since I was in high school. Like all of you who love this show I'm fascinated by serial killers too. When I heard that this season was gonna have our favorite profilers interview Manson I was ecstatic. The build up was crazy and when it came down to it BOOOY they did not disappoint.
The most disturbing thing (besides the accuracy of this preformance) to me is the fact that while he was clearly insane. Manson did always seem to speak some sort of wisdom. Ofcourse what he did was way extreme and horrifying. But I can't help but feel that in some other life, under different circumstances maybe he would've made a great poet, writer or journalist or something.
Ignoring this mans awful things he’s done, u can learn a thing or two from him like the line “prison is a state of mind, im free” has a deep meaning and most of us can relate to it.
Its a facade, really. He doesn't really mean it. He just hates to lose and being vulnerable. During his trial, he tried at all costs to win back his liberty. And now that he's in prison, both in fiction and real life, he throws all that bs about the prison being in his mind. But in reality he says that so that you can't see him at his life's Lowest point. He's a hypocrite.
Some of the women have died, or one for sure but none have been released. Every time they are up for parole the Tate family make sure they are not paroled. Not sure, but I think one got paroled once and there was so much outrage the governor overturned the parole board’s decision.
This is actually the same actor who played Charles Manson in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood aswell. Quentin Tarantino didn't even realize that until after the movie was filmed.
That’s not true at all. Quentin was 100% aware. This is a quote from Damon, the guy who played Charles Manson: “He knew that I’d done it. It would have been weird to keep that a secret. But it didn’t come up much. He said at one point while we were shooting, ‘You’ve done Fincher’s thing already?’ I was like, ‘Yeah, it was a couple weeks ago.’ He said, ‘Cool, how’d that go?’ I said, ‘Great.’ He didn’t ask about any of it other than that”
Amazing to see how much Manson seems to get under Bill’s skin. Actually makes you think Manson might have a point to a degree, like a half-truth of some kind that deep down is striking a chord with Bill and making him confront things that he doesn’t want to confront
i liked his theory on how street kids are like 40 years ahead in their heads because of the things they had to go through, survive and experience, apart from that hes just mocking everything
Wow the guy(actor) who plays Manson, deserves an Award...phew what a tough character (Manson) to play out.. even his walk, style mannerisms gives me goosebumps...
Its actually spine chilling how much he looks and sounds like Manson
Its cgi man
Sounds nothing like him. Looks like him fine.
Damn, my spine cold asf.
Why would it be spine chilling? You talk like Charles was a criminal or something.
Feralz tf do you consider him?
Just so sad Netflix didn't continue with Mindhunter. It was building up the backstory of BTK in snippets but were never going to see how it ended
truly sad :(
I was absolutely bummed when they said they didn’t have another season coming .
It is not just netflix guys, I watched the interview where they said that some actors and directors have another projects to make
Well what were they going to add onto the series thematically? Simply rehashing the same stories of all of the killers we already know is rather tedious.
David Fincher said he may return to it. Just a question of when.
If you want my opinion... I reckon he had a falling out with Netflix. Probably something to do with his long-time friend, Kevin Spacey.
Fun fact: Damon Herriman who plays Manson here, also played him in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Kinda cool that he got to play the same character at different points in his life
jkrfan7 hope he doesn't get typecast....
KillaCrossover318 5 seconds
He looks so much more like Manson here than he did in Ouatih
jkrfan7 everybody knows, stop acting like your some kinda fuckin insider tellin ppl something they don’t know with your “fun fact” bullshit
even if its just seconds of screentime, its a movie with big actors by a big director, so its cool that he had a chance
The smile Holden pulled after Manson stuck his tongue out to him, which was exactly like the real one, seemed so honest and unscripted, like the actor was actually surprised by the similarities. Great scene!
Yes I loved that scene too and it's something the real Manson would have done Herriman nailed his performance dead on. I also liked when Manson asked for his sunglasses then hurriedly scribbled something in Holden's copy of Helter Skelter. What he scribbled was "Each night you sleep, I destroy the world. Scary 😱 and the creepy-crawly can you imagine going to bed and waking up and noticing somethings been moved in your house creepy
Where can i find the real one?? Please tell me
Holden really said *blushes and smiles*
Jesus, it seriously disturbs me how the actor completely became Manson. This is literally Manson reincarnated.
No it isnt. Maybe you need to do a bit of research. There is no evidence to suggest someone can act so well that they become the guy they are playing! You sound absolutely ridiculous.
I'm hoping you arent this thick, I'm hoping you just don't understand what 'literally' means. Q
@@psycheevolved1428 do you take every comment this serious?
@@psycheevolved1428 I really hope that this is a troll
@@psycheevolved1428 chill bro
@@psycheevolved1428 damn who pissed in your cereal?
I forgot that this wasn’t actually Manson. Jesus Christ, this actor is amazing
He played Charles Manson also in Once Upon a time... In Hollywood 😍😍
His name is Damon Herriman. He’s an Australian actor, you should check him out!
Same, until he spoke
@@gabi4248 Dewey Crowe in Justified.
@@gabi4248 i loved him on the short lived show Quarry, definitely underrated, both actor and the show
The fact this show might never come back hurts every day
they only do a break. they wanna continue later after a couple of projects
David fincher is focusing on his new movie a biopic named Mank based on the real life dispute between the writer(Mank) and the director(orson welles) of Citizen Kane over the credit issues.
After that, he will return to making the mindhunter series.
I talked to Holt McCallany, the actor who plays Agent Tench, and he said Fincher definitely wants to continue making Mindhunter after he finished his other projects. I only hope Netflix doesnt say no when David wants to continue a series like 2 years after it was put on hold.
I read that they ok'd a third season and intend to make 5 in total.
Ry Guy are you ignorant? The shows on “indefinite hold” so yeah the show could never come back I wasn’t saying that it wasn’t so thanks for your plain dumbassery it was amusing
Mindhunter is at its best in the interviews and they are masterful. Kemper's self-awareness, Manson's ruthless exploitation of Tench's sense of guilt for his family problems, Speck's overcompensation, Rissel's surprising insight, every single interview is pitch-perfect. You really get a sense that these are real people, somebody you might bump into in the course of your everyday life. They don't feel like "movie bad guys" despite being every bit as bad as one. Arguably worse. I so wish that Netflix would continue with another season.
When they interview suspects, it's so powerful.
He's in prison but he can wear flared jeans lol
The actors did an amazing job, all of them! Also great writing!
This actor really studied his part. He nailed it.
Look on UA-cam at SATANISTS REACT TO PINK FLOYD
@@Dracula616-u5g no
@@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand yes
@@Dracula616-u5g
The fuck?.....
@@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand No. Form a sentence. No. No. No. No. No!!!!!!!
the guy who plays Tench never gets enough credit, he's incredible
he really acts best in this series imho
Holt McCallany is awesome.
HIS NAME IS HOLT MCCALLANY
HIS NAME IS HOLT MCCALLANY
Agreed.
@@jimmy2k4o I got that reference.
HIS NAME IS MEATLOAF
HIS NAME IS MEATLOAF
I deadass thought that was him when I saw the thumbnail
@@William.H.Bonney cool
@@palm3175 no it's not cool. It's nothing.
Mike H. nah you’re cool. A badass even
Mike H. cool lmao
@doGGo bOi everything's going to be okay, buddy.
"We like to hear it from you, in your own words of what happened"
Manson: uboga oboga ugu ifigi pipichi ichi papacho chochoto iche poche choche poche
ah-OOOH-gah!!
makes sense
Understandable, have a nice day
Carlin reference?
The fear you have can be smelled for miles away. All you did there was trying to ridicule a reflection of yourself. That’s because you hate what you’ve become and what you see in the mirror everyday. lol. So you hide behind your retarded jokes and you play Keyboard warrior one minute and wank to your perversions on xhampsyer the next. lol.
And then you wonder every second of the day why your life is so fucked up. Always Looking for someone else to blame for your reality, waking up every morning to that same routine of yours , knowing that you are in a prison that you can never escape because deep down all your addictions are stronger than you. 😂
I met a guy in 1998 who actually met Manson in prison. He told me Manson had a way of talking to you that made you feel sorry for him, like he was the victim. The character I am watching on the screen when I see this scene is exactly the way the man described Manson to me. This actor did an amazing job.
While I won't say he is a victim, cause he really isn't, there should be a sense of empathy given.
He's human, too. And he's got thoughts and opinions, too. Just because he led a a bunch of pseduo-cultists(which lets be honest, in a world full of religious cults, is more than benign) to kill some people, mainly that wrong him(Manson).
He should be understood, but this doesn't mean the guy should be forgiven, or let go(when he was alive), or whatever. Just merely understand who he is and why he became the way he did.
There's plenty of real interviews to watch - you don't need to rely on some 20-year old description by someone who may or may not have met him.
But then again, if you did that you wouldn't be able to flaunt this pointless tidbit of info to make yourself feel special though, right.
The acting was ok lol amazing is an overstatement, I don’t blame you most people can’t tell the difference between really good acting and mediocre.
@@gorgon352 yep id say a good performance.
I like how they had to get an absolute unit of a guard to make the actor look as small as Manson
yeah, shaq was pretty good as the guard
I like your use of “absolute unit”
@Camp Matthew "unit" That's how the kids talk nowadays
@Camp Matthew im pretty sure "unit" is a british jargon
@@streched_thin yeah maybe. The only way I've heard unit describing a body part through the years is talking about ones Manly Size
The most notorious serial killer who's notorious for not actually killing.
Fleagle
Damn right
He didnt kill anyone
Fleagle he’s not the most notorious
No he's not.. not in my opinion.
The most Notorious would be either someobe like Jeffrey Dahmer, Chikatilo(Icepick), John Wayne Gacy/Pogo, etc.
Ignar Husky he said “who didn’t kill people”
His name is Damon Herriman, he also played Charles Manson in Quintin Tarantino's Once upon a time in Hollywood. He needs more recognition and appreciation. His performance as Manson is criminally underrated.
It's basically all people talk about with this season, but it's cRiMinALLy uNderRateD.
He was also amazing as Dewey Crowe, the dumb redneck gangster in Justified.
Dewey Crowe!
He’s in Mr Inbetween too
@@bobthestinky7369I love Justified, amazing writing and actors, might be my favorite series of all times... I hope it will be picked up again, not sure if there are any chances but we can always hope.
Notice how he sits on top of the chair to make himself look bigger and command his audience.
yeees, psychopaths like to think they are superior
Daniel Sales lol why do you research psychos
Thats an actor. I havent seen one real interview of Manson sitting on top of a chair
Charles Carver its out there
@@charlescarver2623 his first ever interview. He sits on a stool above the interviewer
The same actor also played Charles Manson in Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
BaronvonPiano wow really?
Chalky White yup
@@chalkywhite2598 his beard wasn't as full but yep. He played early Charlie.
@I am no one neither R you
When??
I knew that
The brilliance of the scene is how Tench starts to truly feel attacked by Manson’s words, it ties in to what he’s going through with his son and it’s why he starts arguing the way he does. You can tell Manson is having an effect, which surprises Holden. This is such a well written amazing show.
Yeah during this scene, you could tell that Tench was getting heated and took everything that Manson said personally. Even Holden noticed how angry he was getting.
They took directly from Manson’s known dialogue too. Truly an excellent scene well researched and written. Everyone did their homework here.
You literally just sold me on this show :)
Fun fact: Damon Herriman also played Manson in Once upon a time in Hollywood.
That’s so cool!
And this clip proves he was wasted in that movie
@@nonyabiznes248
Yeah
He is a wonderful actor.
It should been him playing Manson in Aquarius. Gethin Anthony was okay. But not even close to Damon Herrimans performance. When I saw this scene in Mindhunters. It actually felt like it was the real Manson.
@@StigaWorldCup I agree. Dewin Anthony wasn't bad but he was too handsome I thought and didn't really look like Manson.
Kazu Hiro is the makeup guy for both movies.
The same actor repeated his role in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood
For 25 seconds
For one scene in an alternate universe.
Yup
Lol he found his niche
And rightfully so , that's the best Charles Manson I have ever seen
Fantastic acting! Manson was even convincing me in this scene! I was like "he kinda has a point ya know." Scary.
When I read your comment I thought, 'If I felt weirdly convinced by an actor reciting words as a representation of Charlie Manson, I wouldn't admit it.' But then I realized...I'd have to be possessed of a completely different mind, the kind of mind in which fictional depictions can pass as compelling, even convincing rhetoric. With a mind that slack, most anything is possible.
In a way he has.. he can say: Tex... jump of a bridge. If Tex jump of a bridge, is that because of charly ? But in this case it was murder. So he js also reliable. Except not according to Manson. Since he says no matter what i say, everyone is responsible for his own "circle"
@@NxDoyle Oh Jeez, there's always one. It's not that serious dude. I'm talking about his acting.
@@NxDoyle Look at the big brain on this guy, we live in a society
Watch the real Manson videos. It has the same effect.
Imagine canceling one of the greatest shows to ever be put on the screen. Shame on you netlfix.
Edit: there's talks about bringing it back
Actually was Fincher's decision it seems. Too tiresome to produce. But I'd also give a lot to see at least season 3 to complete arcs of BTK, Tench's son and Wendy.
It wasn’t technically cancelled, just put on indefinite hold but either way it still sucks
Honestly, no shame at all. Why perpetuate the story of such a distasteful person?
@@zindexcourses You haven’t watched it have you
Oscar winner Bong Joon Ho is a big fan of the show and he has made a serial killer movie before and he said he always wanted to direct Mindhunter. honestly, they should give season 3 to him. Imagine an Oscar winner director directing this?! damn what a shame Netflix won't go for it.
Please don't cancel the show. It is one of the best things on Netflix. We need more seasons
It wasn't cancelled, it seems the writer just found it tiring to produce and write the show and wanted to focus on other shows
Best Netflix show. And no one is talking about a third season.
Yeah, unfortunately they cancelled the series :(
@@sethgibson4155 really?
electra heart well, actually no, Netflix and David Fincher (the director of Mindhunter) have had some disputes and Fincher is working on other projects at the moment. It’s just that we may not see the next season for some time, this could change the cast of actors for the show as well.
@@sethgibson4155 oh, thank you!
There's not going to be another season of anything. The world is coming to an end at this moment. We're just going out with a whimper, then maybe a bang.
"Is it my fault your children do what they do". Wow, that must have been a punch to the gut.
@Scott Covert how do you know its not the other way around?
@@astroreflux because charles manson was clearly batshit crazy
@@dyploutr8767 explain
@@astroreflux watch the show
@@godofwater1234 the show lol. hes talking about the real manson
I heard Manson faked his death so he could play himself here
Good one
@@jamesb.9472 it's good but the actor here seems to have the mannerisms and speech as the real life Manson
maybe if he would of did it in 1978
james b bad thing that Helter Skelter is just some government made up bullshit
Dreamy Jay Music And totally not the ramblings of a mad man.
Dude should have been given awards for this guest spot.
This guy has a youtube channel, i think its called Penguinz0
Bruhhh
Diegucho 8 lmaoo
Moistmanson
Lmfao
Wait is he the same guy that play hand in hunger game?
Everyone In the comment section are now professional psychologists and investigators lol
Lmfao right?
Hahahaha, so good
I most certainly am, I obviously majored in criminal psychology and am a very professional investigator. Obviously
lol
The internet provides many jobs for people lol.
Australian actor Damon Herriman plays Manson so believably - he has been playing deranged and strange characters for years - underrated like Paul Dano
divinuminfernum he’s Australian! Wow this blows my mind. I couldn’t even tell.
Paul Dano.. was he in Swiss Army Men.
@@DrPhil-kx3ci Swiss army man? Yes he was, and he he was also great as Pierre in the BBC war and peace series
@@divinuminfernum In There will be blood too ( what a movie )
What's cool is that Justified had 2 actors on the show who played Charlie Manson in 2 different movies.
This entire show deserves so much more credit.
He’s like 90% Manson. He does a FANTASTIC job playing him, seriously it’s terrifying. But Charles didn’t talk with long responses to questions. He would just talk shite and hullabaloo whenever a question got personal.
The actors words are nearly word-for-word from the actual interview.
well if that is the case then that wouldn't be as entertaining as this so thats probably why the took this approach
Yeah just watched this after literally hours of Manson interviews and he coulda been a lot better
You saw that one interview of him at the court and you think that's always how he talks.
didn't realize all of you were Charles Manson experts? Ya'll sat in on interviews with him? That's awesome. Tell me all about it please.
This was one of the most phenomenal scenes I've ever seen on any episodic show. The acting was Flawless here... if this guy does not win an Emmy for his portrayal of Manson then the award shows are blind!
Rob These days everyone is way too fuckin sensitive to shit so this actor’s performance might not get credit because people will feel like it’s ‘humanizing’ Manson. Just like how they did the Ted Bundy film
Don't get your hopes up. Last season Cameron Britton who played Ed Kemper ABSOLUTELY deserved his Emmy and was snubbed. Roles like these rarely get awarded because they don't wanna idolize serial killers.
This country has gone haywire in the last few years, everyone gets offended by just about anything you say or do. Hollywood is definitely on The Chopping Block it's unfortunate because these actors from this incredible show deserve a s*** ton of attention.
@@alterbria yep, you are correct that was a major snub.
Rob exactly
Notice Manson's expression change when he immediately pegs Holden as a mark. It's creepy how perceptive he is, and how he knows just the right buttons to push.
And he got Tench, that surprised me but he knew what to say when he hit a nerve
Everyone's acting in this show is amazing. I sat for a whole episode full and I just realized I'm actually watching a show. Feels like the event really happened before my eyes.
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Manson always spoke just enough truth to make you nod your head in agreement at how messed up society can sometimes be. That’s what’s really scary. And this actor did a phenomenal job👏🏽🎥✨
So he could blame shift.
Look on UA-cam at SATANISTS REACT TO PINK FLOYD
You can blame society but if you messed up you also have to blame yourself...Everyone know that murder is wrong even if you grow up in a suck environment, abusive family and ignorant society. They keep playing with the blame card like it's because I grow up with sick society..Keep blaming to prove your crime is innocent is coward..Unless you're psychosis and not personality disorder then you realized the reality and the crime you do but you don't feel guilt because of some factors like genetic(based on current science) or trauma but still know that it is wrong and you can control it..
@@muhammadfirdausabdulmanaf7354 .What makes someone a killer? Not being raised and treated decent , then he mixed psychedelics in their original raw format with those emotions.And that is society taking a shit on him , he made society smell some of the shit...keep telling people to buck up , clearly it.works and when it doesnt , the person is to blame cuz someone had his childhood and got over it and he didnt..maybe were NOT all the same ?
@@vraciunaitro English please
Picture perfect casting right here. He even sounds like manson.
Fuck no he doesnt
Cesar Acosta Manson sound like gorge w bush
Nope, not even close.
We couldn't of asked for a better portrayal
@Pooh Xi fair shout, his mannerisms are on point. Its jusy pitch.
But very good reprisentation of the man himself.
Ive always thought Rob Zombie would make a great Manson Movie.
“Your own children that you are neglecting”
Dang Charlie hit a nerve with agent Tench!! Bill must be thinking, wtf how does he know....
Because he saw it happen
I love how they interwoven bill’s home turbulences with what manson had to say there .. that’s brilliant writing
2:31 to 2:59 that is such a Powerful dialouge between the two of them, from the story point of this entire show, we know that, that officer's son is kinda 'different', and shows the same traits as most of the serial killers showed at a very young, that these guys are talking to, it would ironic if his son turns out this way, but when mansons character said, 'your own children that you are ignoring' I couldn't help but think about that officer's son.
That is a very interesting story line there, unfortunately if the show is cancelled we'll never know how it ends up.
It is implied, He could have some anti-social traits. We also know the boy does not like men, with him avoiding his father quite a bit. Maybe something happened before his adoption
"You taught em, I didn't teach em. I only taught them to stand up." Same lines were used in Helter Skelter movie (1976)
Show's crazy DETAILED bruh!
If he taught them to stand up....thats still teaching someone something, WHAT AN IDIOT.
@@YourPalFry he means he didnt teach them about how to use a knife for murder or whatever
@@YourPalFry What are you doing in 2021?? Did The Professor mess up the timeline again?
That's because it's a real line, word for word, from his court hearing.
Mindhunter is an amazing show, wish they would hurry with more seasons.
It's hit or miss. First season was meh.
@@mhuh first season was best than second wdym
I loved season 1 but not season 2
@@mhuh 1st season was great.
They cancelled season 3 I think.. :(
The cast of mindhunter is insane!
yeah i really like Daniel Tosh's role here
@@petar2761 LOL! He can be Groff body double!
As soon as this episode ended, I looked up if they used a deepfake or a voice modulator for Manson's actor. Nope. Just an insanely detailed and spot-on performance. I was absolutely floored
I met Damon Herriman during the Sydney Film Festival this year when we sat next to one another at a movie. He’s the nicest and humblest guy which is the complete opposite of Manson. Funny enough he just keeps getting typecast as scumbags. But boy does he leave an impression onscreen. What an incredible talent.
Maybe because he's good at it?
He wasn't a scumbag in Love My Way - have you seen it? It's a few years old now, but in a short run it proved itself an amazing show choc full of talent. Easily as good as Six Feet Under, but very Sydney, very Australian.
I almost always assume that actors who play scumbags are probably cool in real life. XD
As soon as he walked into the scene I couldn’t believe how much he looked like Charles Manson. It is insane how he looks like him! The casting in this show is amazing!
Thats what really sells the show for us is the talent of all actors in this show! Especially Manson this guy crushed it!
Look on UA-cam at SATANISTS REACT TO PINK FLOYD
Fun fact: they actually got the real Charles Manson to play the role here. Even invented a "bring back to life" serum just for this scene.
I thought only I knew this.
I looked it up and he's exaggerating: They didn't make the serum specifically *just* for this scene.
It was a happy coincidence.
fun fact: you are not funny in the slightest and you are a ret-arded zoomer who copy jokes from other zoomers.
@@Delightfully_Witchywhat in the fuck are you two going on about 😂
The guy who plays Ed Kemper was amazing but the man who played Charlie…..OH MY GOD!!!!!!!! Complete transformation. I thought I was literally looking at the real Charlie Manson
"If I started killing people, they'd be none of you left"
that would take balls but no he had someone else do it
MBV TELESHAKA he shot someone once n shoulda killed him but the guy survived
Nice line, but Mansen was incompetent and not nearly as deep and wise as he thought he was
@Stoned Outlaw Bitch he'd need a fucking step ladder to try and stab me.
Stoned Outlaw Wow, supporting a cultist are we? Lmao
I actually thought this was really charles manson. But then i remembered he was dead
well, thats kind of dumb thing to admit.
@@lauriL90 well, i wasnt serious you moron
lauriL90 are you dumb
Rest in peace Charles
@@Nnnnn636 What is the true idea
It’s like they got the actual Charles to play the part
CGI...
It actually is him
I love how beneath the facade of insanity there is sanity in the way he speaks, this is such a brilliant piece of filmmaking I absolutely love this scene. Fincher at his best.
"My bell rings, I get up"
"My bell rings, I'm going out."
"My bell rings, I'll do what that bell says. I'm Pavlov's dog, man. I'm anything you want me to be"
My favourite scene.
I wanna be pavlovs dog. Sounds like there is free food involved
Anyone that's ever been to jail understands this.
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Imagine Ben Shapiro trying to argue with Charles.
considering the fact ben is stupid as shit and annoying as fuck it wouldn't be too interesting
ben is gonna give him a headache with all the stupid shit he says
@@arigarcia1541 too many people like Ben Shapiro, idk why tho...
@Mutombo you're seriously defending a dude who says people can just sell their houses if the sea swallows them LOL
Facts don't care about your feelings
Dude looked exactly like Charlie Manson.
However he didn’t talk like Charlie Manson.
Leon Andrews was gonna comment the same thing
I mean copying a voice is quite hard but listen to any manson interview and I would say he did quite a good of a job tbh. A lot of the time they do have the same speech pattern and voice
Manson didn't make sense when he spoke and they want to have semi-coherent plot and not uayayaayadufasydfa sfsldkfjsaldfjsaf?
@@Diegoshadow85 He made more sense than most people.
@@TheTrutherFiles sure he made more sense that's why he is serial killer etc.
Anyone else finds it hilarious how starstruck Holden is? He’s always acting like a fanboy around the serial killers
understandably tbh
Holden is a serial killer.
@@matthewnewman6039 u mean a psychopath
He certainly exhibits tumblr-user behavior
This scene just shows how manipulative he really was
@@charlesK12960 Yup Manson is partially right.
It\s largely the parents fault if their kids end fucked up.
@@ziudra91 Mate he meant complete opposite, HE describe himself as being their "parent" but he cannot be punished by his children sins as the same way your parents cannot be punsihed if you commit a crime. Same if you make sin you cannot blame God 👍
@@MD-tc3vy as above, so below
@@quantumleap7964 what does it really mean ?
@@MD-tc3vy @M D The greek god apollo was said to have a golden tongue that could only speak the truth. One day he allowed a wise man to ask him one question, the wise man asked "What is the answer to every question humanity will ever have about the nature of what we do not know". Apollo answered:
"One is all, all is one
As it is above, so it is below
As it is with the gods, so it is within you"
Just as a sinner cannot blame God for his sins, the child cannot blame the parent for theirs.
Totally an amazing performance. So good you almost think it really is Manson !
Wish he would've been in "Aquarius" instead of that lifeless actor they hired for Manson.
in a previous scene Kemper mentions that he's very short so avoid staring....and then Manson sits like that on a chair..cool.
Probably so he could sit above them and look down. Gives him a sense of superiority.
@@brianwalsh1401 I think he was just short.
This is a myth. He was 5'6 IRL. Only an inch or two below average height at the time.
I'm in the midst of reading "Mindhunter" and Agent John Douglas (inspiration for Holden) writes that Manson actually did sit like that in Behavioural Sciences's interview with him. From studying his history, Douglas deduced that Manson wanted to be like a preacher, giving a sermon, as he did often with his family.
@Brian Walsh You're probably right i watched an interview he did with 60 minutes Australia and he refused to sit down on a shorter chair and look up at anyone.
It's scary how charismatic, and truthful charles manson was. Insane stuff
I thought it was Jim Carrey with long hair and a beard at first
Jim Carey is as tall as the black guard so no
@@theking-vn3lw Facial wise though Jim would highly resemble Manson with long hair and a beard.
Yeah, MTV Jim without the humour.
Facts
Kinda the only reason I clicked this video 😂
I've watch many Manson interviews. And it's like the show didn't write lines for him, cause it's feels as if they just copy and paste from the real Manson. Just feels like something he'd actually say. Same with Bray Wyatt from the WWE.
Rikem Sheppard agree on the bray wyatt thing big time, can tell one of brays biggest influence was manson, crazy stuff
@@camduffy3924 he even sang the "hey now I'm all around you.
Just like the scenes of Ed Kemper.
@@PrivilegedWhiteRabbit yea looked and sounded very much alike
That’s what they do with this show
The casting and performances of each of the real life killers in this show is so incredibly spot on. I will be rewatching these interviews!
They better bring this show back, seriously.
One thing I love, and I don't know if it was intentional, is how Charles Manson was foreshadowed in Season 1 as the epitome of pure evil genius, and how in Season 2 there was such a build-up to his arrival, he was the One, the golden key to understand how an genius psychopath, a criminal mastermind, functioned.
When we finally get there, the anticipation is intense: the camera zooms in, the chains rattle in the distance like warning us he is come, at last. Holden even stands up slowly, almost reverentially, and respectfully passes the microphone asking for his permission.
And for a while you're also thinking: "Oh, my God, it's THE Charles Manson"
And then Manson appears... And talks... He is so insecure about his height that he sits on top of the chair in a pathetic attempt to establish dominance. His entire speech is just him blabbering about blaming others, trying to sound deep and look like the victim. He doesn't seem or sound that smart, and contrary to what many get from the interaction, I don't think he was getting under Bill's skin, much less manipulating him; on the contrary, Bill was furious, and he spoke to Manson the way he did because he recognized who and what he was and wanted to put him in his place ("You f*ing midget").
So, by the end of this scene -even halfway through this scene-, I was astonished by how the show had successfully brought Manson down from the pedestal it had deliberately put him before, and told us that despite all his evil and cunning, Charles Manson was not a genius or a criminal mastermind. He was really just a pathetic, dumb, coward and mediocre loser filled with spite and malice.
I kinda disagree with the Bill thing. I really do think Manson was getting under Bill's skin, and Bill became aggressive because it was a "stressor" as Manson seemed to have spoken of things resonating with his current life.
But I do agree with the rest of what you said! This scene did feel like they put him up in so high a pedestal, then made you realize he is just pathetic after all.
But notice how even in the comment section, there are a lot of people who seemed to relate with what he said, and several even quoted him as if in reverence.
So it's kinda a mix of both, I think. He can lure you in, but not in the sense that "oh, he is so smart and a genius" like with Kemper, but more like "he is not so different than me, he's also weak, I can relate to him."
Which I think fits his cult leader persona very well.
wow, rude much. but I agree with what ur talking about. the only thing I like about the real Charlie is this man's humor and HE SINGS really well or at least I like how he sings. but contrary to what ur saying, he can be deep sometimes
manson's words were not entire garbage. we do live in our mental prisons. he was indeed a product of prison system given the fact that he had been incarcerated since he was a boy. he does ask a relevant question that how a person becomes a person? is it by what child learns from parents? and he did get under agent tench's skin. he reacted angrily as he realized that he was responsible in a way for what his son experienced/did.
You sound like an asshole incapable of understanding people outside of your own zone and philosophy and understanding their feelings and why they do what they do. It’s people like you that breed people like Manson.
You need to look at your game, buddy. Manson was a MKULTRA Prodigal Son.... Just like Ken Kasey, like Ginsberg... 2 sides of a CIA/Pentagon Minted coin that in the end proved that you can never Kontrol Minds with Psychedelics and Hallucinogens, and yet still wea;ponise it not through the chemical itself, but the culture around it.
You sir, are a fool, as are we all.... The beginning of Wisdom. May you reach enlightenment.
Manson was many things... Stupid is definitely not one. He knew he should never have been let outta the cage before it took 2 murders, a pantheon of expert witnesses and god knows how many armchair pyschs... He knew, and warned them, many times... And the moment he reached the Nirvana of the Haight Ashbury, he provided a dose of reality for those that thought FlOwEr PoWer was going to save us all.
my god that dude looks exactly like charles manson.
This performance by Herriman is riveting. Emmy-level stuff. The gentleman portraying Kemper is equally mesmerizing.
Charlie did ramble and talk a whole lot without actually SAYING ANYTHING but he also SPOKE THE TRUTH about people who were stepped over if they were LUCKY enough not to be stepped on first!! The actors that portrayed the "KILLER'S" were AMAZING!!!
That’s what cult leaders like Manson preyed on. They lured in vulnerable and hurt people who are looking for meaning and support. They are the kinds of people who would easily fall for cults because they are easily impressionable.
I love how this scene uses Manson's character as a way to make tench question his parenting abilities after the incident his son was involved in. Not to mention the uncanny portrayal by a gifted actor from the same country as yours truly.
OI OI OI
:-)
Batman: I'm Vengeance
Joker: I'm the agent of chaos
Manson: hold my LSD
Everything here is amazing. Looks, dialogue, and everything else. Except for the voice, he was quieter and its slightly different.
Bro how did this show get such accurate look alikes, thats wild
And when is a new season coming out, ive been waiting😴
“It’s yourself you need to talk to”
I'm amazed, I've binge watched all of the Manson prison tapes and even some of the trial tapes; and this by far is a chillingly brilliant adaptation of Charle's character. The face, the hair, the beard, the vocal inflections and mannerisms. Simply amazed at how the actor has pulled it all off, and now I gotta binge watch the show as well. It's honestly as perfect an impersonation of a character as I have ever seen, I'm completely struck lol.
This guy is good, but the guy who plays Ted is better.
@@somewhereupthere785 i think you mean Ed Kemper
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@@zicero7474 Yes Ed. Lol woops.
Imagine if his voice was more accurate. You wouldn’t be able to tell him apart from the real thing. Still phenomenal performance.
It’s weird that he never actually killed anyone.
Almost like he was a scapegoat......
as far as we know lol
he was enlightened, and for that very reason the government saw him as a threat to awaken society. So they framed him...
@@themagnus2919 stfu
@@thezyzzrevolution5502 stfu
"If you know you know, then what you doing talking to me? it's yourself you need to talk to." So profound yet so disturbing. What he alleges is that society rejected the people within his social group way before me got involved with them. That they were what they were when he met them. sure they looked up to him and he showed them a few things along the way. Things like how to rob cars or use their bodies to help enable a large amount of them to live rent free in a beautiful place. He shared things with them and helped create a community but ultimately his stance was that the people that lived within this so called commune were all lost souls, delinquents that he befriended and used at times but that ultimately had their own issues and had committed crimes long before he met them. And that they continued to commit crimes after he met them. He just says so in ways society cannot comprehend or simply refuses to. Maybe He is lying. I honestly don't know. But his argument isn't insane if you listen to it. If he was given the opportunity to argue that his. His right to a trial never really came to fruition. He could not testify himself for fear of his powers of persuasion being too great and the president announced his guilt publicily prior to the trial. So there was no argument to be had. He was guilty. Had he had his opportunity to argue though he would have stated (in his own odd way I'm sure) that the people he befriended committed crimes before he met them. Some of them violent ones. They may not have been caught but he didn't run with the 9-5 kinda crowd. People he messed with and liked and lived with did criminal things at times. Not always but at times. They were simply that way inclined but they were like that before he met them and lived with them. Then When he was living with them and they approached him outlining their play that he do whatever they pleased but that he wanted no part of it. He may have been somewhat complicit and perhaps keeping him off the streets has been a good thing. Probably in hindsight although I'd argue that supposed rehabilitates more than imprisonment. Ultimately though if we actually look at our own laws he should not have been imprisoned for life for his crimes. If anything he was complicit but not to the degree that he was the sole or main conspirator. The fact that the people who killed Shannon tate etc have been released or many of them have whilst Manson remained locked up seems odd to me.
I agree, it is a complex thing here and I wished more people would look into it
Would you agree and go so far as to say that mansion himself might be a pawn to a much bigger and greater chess game?
who else started laughing when manson stuck his tongue out
I've been watching every Manson interview since I was in high school. Like all of you who love this show I'm fascinated by serial killers too. When I heard that this season was gonna have our favorite profilers interview Manson I was ecstatic. The build up was crazy and when it came down to it BOOOY they did not disappoint.
The scripting and acting by the character who played Mason was amazing!
0:21 the tongue stick out caught me off guard. I chuckled hard.
For the slightest second I swear I really became convinced they somehow managed to get Charles Manson himself to play the role.
da gingerbread boi he’s dead
da gingerbread boi o
Ed kemper too
This show and Dark (also on Netflix) have incredible casting
Wow. He looks just like Manson right down to his mannerisms. This actor is incredible.
I could swear Holden blushed in the beginning when Manson stuck his tongue out 😂
The most disturbing thing (besides the accuracy of this preformance) to me is the fact that while he was clearly insane. Manson did always seem to speak some sort of wisdom. Ofcourse what he did was way extreme and horrifying. But I can't help but feel that in some other life, under different circumstances maybe he would've made a great poet, writer or journalist or something.
This is by far the best portrayal of mason .
His mannerisms are outstandingly on the spot, the voice is the only bit off the mark.
the voice is cringe but other than that..wow
if it was a bit deeper with a slightly less exaggerated accent it would be perfect
The Manson needs to be in a movie
sounds nothing like him how could they not see that
A Bell Rang I Get Up, A Bell Rings I Go Out, A Bell Rings I Do What That Bell Says. I'm Pavlov's Dog Man"- undoubtedly the best scene of the show 👌👌
The sound of chains in the beginning is so creepy! An evil chained monster is coming for his interview!
He looks more like Charles Manson than the real man does
The physical depiction of Charles is on-fucking-point
Ignoring this mans awful things he’s done, u can learn a thing or two from him like the line “prison is a state of mind, im free” has a deep meaning and most of us can relate to it.
Its a facade, really. He doesn't really mean it. He just hates to lose and being vulnerable. During his trial, he tried at all costs to win back his liberty. And now that he's in prison, both in fiction and real life, he throws all that bs about the prison being in his mind. But in reality he says that so that you can't see him at his life's Lowest point. He's a hypocrite.
@@erc5033 then why would he spend his entire life in and out of jails and prisons, from age 8 he was abandoned... you're just projecting
when it comes to manson, and any of the other men like him, I feel like you shouldnt ever say "ignoring this mans awful things"
i could get that wisdom from a fortune cookie, it need not be from manson
What did he do?
The irony is that the girls who actually murdered or were there got eventually released but not him.
Some of the women have died, or one for sure but none have been released. Every time they are up for parole the Tate family make sure they are not paroled. Not sure, but I think one got paroled once and there was so much outrage the governor overturned the parole board’s decision.
@@harlequinn569 - yeah the Manson girls aren’t going anywhere. . .
This is actually the same actor who played Charles Manson in Once Upon A Time In Hollywood aswell.
Quentin Tarantino didn't even realize that until after the movie was filmed.
Does he expect us to believe the actor never told him?
Fishels shuuut up already. We all fucking know
That’s not true at all. Quentin was 100% aware. This is a quote from Damon, the guy who played Charles Manson:
“He knew that I’d done it. It would have been weird to keep that a secret. But it didn’t come up much. He said at one point while we were shooting, ‘You’ve done Fincher’s thing already?’ I was like, ‘Yeah, it was a couple weeks ago.’ He said, ‘Cool, how’d that go?’ I said, ‘Great.’ He didn’t ask about any of it other than that”
This show did such an amazing job making the actors look like their real-life counterparts. I wish it was longer than two seasons.
Amazing to see how much Manson seems to get under Bill’s skin. Actually makes you think Manson might have a point to a degree, like a half-truth of some kind that deep down is striking a chord with Bill and making him confront things that he doesn’t want to confront
He’s pointing out Bill’s ego
Bill is also twisted by what’s going on with his son at this point
It's mainly due to the character arc Tench had that season.
i liked his theory on how street kids are like 40 years ahead in their heads because of the things they had to go through, survive and experience, apart from that hes just mocking everything
Wrong....Bill knows how much BS manson is spewing and how stupid it was for someone to actually believe it! Thats what pisses him off
2:13 that's when he picked up on tench's trouble.
What do you mean?
@@alexanderwindh4830 tench's son staged a crime scene with other little boys. The series is worth a watch.
Amazing scene & show. The agents' body language tells you everything they think & feel about Manson, who was so perfectly cast.
Wow the guy(actor) who plays Manson, deserves an Award...phew what a tough character (Manson) to play out.. even his walk, style mannerisms gives me goosebumps...