Good humor - but a bayonet coming askew and getting stuck in a rib cage thrust renders you and your rifle defenseless (as well as obstructing the muzzle for firing)
Ian, I've seen the letters above the stamp on a lot of the .303 carbines around that 1300 date. I believe they are the individual letters "F"(Right) and "H"(Left). You are correct about the script under the stamp. It's old Persian and says "Jangalak Factory" or "Made at Jangalak Factory". You used to see a fair amount of these in the Bazaars around Kabul.
Listening to Ian telling me about a variation of weapon made for a specific country, I have never heard of before, while eating self made chocolate pudding. Live couldn't be any better.
My Father had a Martini Henry, the middle one in your video. Picked it up in Pakistan in the late 70's. But the reason why I comment: A lot of the rifles (including ours) were subsequently elabourately decorated with silver wire around the barrel and forestock and the metalwork was etched/ punched with additional Arabic writings. Apart from the fact it was filthy when he brought it back, it cleaned up beautifully and looked like a piece of artwork. I think it was a tribal gun which was passed down over the generations.
Marauder Shields It's a bug fix, as no other sniper rifle on the game one shot kills in ss range on areas of the that body that aren't the upper torso. It rewards good aim on the relevant engagement ranges
So, why use the Martini-Henry? Every other weapon has a quicker fire rate and can easily follow up shots that don't insta-kill. The weapon is just too slow, too useless. Only use I've found for it is to use it to get pistol kills as I'm forced to follow up all my shots with a pistol clip.
There will come a time in every man's life, when he watches the movie Zulu, and shortly thereafter feels the strong urge to acquire a Martini-Henry rifle.
I'm gonna make a plan here Step 1: We fund and develop the technology to travel to parallel timelines Step 2: We travel to a timeline where Bergmann became the leading arms manufacturer in the world Step 3: We grab what we can and bring it to Ian Step 4: Ian can make a lifetime of Bergmann videos and rename his channel/website to Forgotten (or not so forgotten I guess) Bergmanns
I remember seeing one of these(the .303 version with the Lee-Metford barrel) hanging up on the wall of the headquarters building when I was deployed to Jalalabad.
As a Persian speaker, I agree with previous posters that the carved letters above the factory seal are probably initials reading either F.H. or F.M. depending on how bad the person's handwriting was. As for the the block printed brand below the seal, sadly those letters are both really poorly spaced and very stylized so I can barely make it out by reading one by itself, looking at those repetitions together it seems you are right. If your pronunciation of jangalak is at all close, then the inscription reads "kargah-e-Jangalak." It could also be GahGah, the place place, or the place of fornication, but I doubt it :) Name of the arsenal means "little forest workshop" as Kargah means worshop or factory. Jangal means forest or jungle and "ak" is a diminutive suffix. As Arabic letters are written with particular patterns of joining depending on their position in a word, arabic printing took awhile to get off the ground. As for the two marks on the knocks form you are unfortunately holding it upside down, one row is the number 17539 The word below, "ijrht" is a nonsense word whose letters correspond with each integer. Digging through some arabic language sites I found that this SEEMS... my arabic sucks so I repeat SEEMS to be a charm of sorts as what I was able dig up points to this being a part of the Arabic writings of a Qaderriya Sufi sect that was present in Afghanistan at this time. I have no reputable sources to back this up, just wikipedia, a bunch of arabic language forums on mysticism, and the help of google translate, but if I'm right, it's a spell of lucky numbers to bless the weapon. You'll need to speak to a scholar on Persian arms and armour to verify any of this though. Talk to Matt Easton of the Scholiagladiatoria channel, he's done some videos on swords and knives contemporary with these guns and has some connections with the right academics for the job.
I actually saw one when I went to Egypt, during one of the dozen government military checkpoint stops as we made our way from the coast to Cairo through the desert. All the soldiers had Russian AKM's and two of them were checking out what I thought at the time was just an old British gun, or some American lever action (1896) they had gotten their hands on somehow. Those of us who hadn't seen them got a good sphincter exercise when they fired at an empty suitcase on a wood crate out in the sand since we had been stopped for an unusually long time. Now I'm pretty certain it was one of these so thank you for this video, because their little improvised shooting range in the middle of the desert is a great memory of a trip in a country that has badly suffered from awful US government agencies who support, train and equip terrorists who take over countries either by civilian or military action. The beauty of the pyramids is in sharp contrast to what happens there today.
Hey you guys! Stop goofin' around and tryin' to out-do each other with your respective versions of the 'troof'! It's LOVE and FRIENDSHIP that makes the world go round. Each of us (from the Middle Class Capitalist West...to the Classless Communist East) have far, far, far, far, far more in common with each other than ANY of us have with those that wish to have power over us, brainwash us, indoctrinate us and get us all to do their bidding!! Having lived and worked across the Globe all I can say is that most people are nice and friendly...but those that are infused and motivated by both greed and/or religion are what cause all of the world's ills. Both greed and religion enable bad people to acquire power...and power corrupts. Let's all just 'man-up' and give each other huge hugs and get along and have a good laugh! We're all on this planet just once...so let's all stop being d*cks! :D
I happen to have one of the Kabul Arsenal Martini Carbines. It has the old style stock with the sling swivel at the bottom of the stock, but the newer symbol (mosque in a star). It is also in .303. I've shot it with low-power .303 handloads and it actually shoots quite well.
Hey Yan, I was quite surprised by the way you spoke french in the last video, even if you had an accent (someone who talk english cant lose it, even with time) the way you said it was tottally right and very clear. Chapeau !
this is a bit of a wild suggestion, but back in 2012, I visited the Venetian museum in Italy, and there is an entire section devoted to their weapons, including some unique firearms (some wheel locks, perhaps?) I'm sure that would be a long shot to acquire permission from them to look over them, but would be interesting none the less.
A friend of mine told me that the symbol at 8:04 reads as fahah or fahai in Arabic or Persian but he doesn't know what the word means, hope that helps. He also told me that the markings at 9:30 say 17531 and jazatt or ajazatt.
Fantastic presentation. I got one that I think is production Afghan dressed up as British. Could not have figured it out without this video. Job well done. Thanks!
I think a mosin that's a little beat up would be a great gun to learn how to do gun repairs/ intro to basic gunsmithing, stock work, completely take downs for full cleans not just field strips, trigger work/ replacement depending, most likely you'll want to learn how to glass bead that new precision barrel you got. And if your lucky, you'll get a lesson on how to deal with and dispose of cosmoline xD. Serious note however if you have the means get a case of mosins and a spam can for each one of you have the means too
Not to mention you should keep your main guns zeroed, you won't be getting .25 moa but it should certainly be capable of taking a deer at 150yds provided you use match ammo and have your optics in order ;)
The translation of the Afghan inscription on the receiver is 'There are at least 20 people watching me as I inscribe this receiver. They think it's a proof mark. It's not'
The inscription on the gun you asked about are the the letters fey and hey which are roughly equivalent to F and H. Seems like initials of some kind but thats about all I can say.
A thing about the Martini-Henry rifle that I've noticed is that the trigger, the trigger guard and it's placement looks like something taken out of a modern hunting rifle like a Kimber or a modern Mauser.. It just does not look like something thought out and manufactured in the 19th century and it stands out of the rest of the rifle.
I own a British made Martini Henry MkII that was brought back by a US Marine stationed in Afghanistan. Mine is Enfield marked and all correct. It is not a Kaiber Pass rifle. He brought back 2. He sold me one. Excellent condition and shoots very well and very accurate.
FYI people, This is still in active service in Afghanistan troops, paramilitary and resistance forces idk which force use it but they started using it since 1982 (war in Afghanistan)
On carbine, serial number 1328, the marking above the arsenal logo appears to have been hand engraved. This appears to be a different marking technique compared to the arsenal stamped or rolled markings.
Ian I had a 57 Cal Henry Martini Carbine and could chamber a CIL 16 Gauge into her but never had the nerve to pull the trigger. The 16 Gauge slug fit perfectly down the barrel - HIC
Kabul arsenal Martini parts are substantially indistinguishable from Brit parts, with key parts being 100% interchangeable. When made they were as legitimate and safe as any Brit made Martini. Given their use and often abuse, the same warning applies to them today as any well used century old firearm. Legitimate Martinis were made in many countries, including the USA by Providence Tool Co. which produced more Martini rifles than Enfield.
I'm Afghan and I'm amazed my country could make guns like this back then. Thanx to islamists today we can't make a spoon. ps. I couldn't read the ones below the stamp, but the one above seems to be something like "Mana". Can't tell what it means. Could be a name. My Dari isn't as good.
I agree with you about the recent situation but we are still good at making GUNS, Darra Adam Khel, Peshawar companies. By we i means AFGHANS /Pashtuns/Pathans
Robin Anna'Niaz your people didn’t make this gun. Your people can’t fight there way out of a wet paper bag. This is made by Pashtuns, pashtuns been making weapons from the 18th century.
When I was deployed to Afghanistan, you could buy these for very cheap from wandering traders. I knew their historical significance, but I didn't want to spend the money then. Now I really regret it lol.
Ian, have you covered any military issue combat knives before? I did a quick search on your channel but didn't find anything (Other than the blade/gun combos). Is that something you might consider covering? Or not too familiar/not too interested? There's obviously less to cover about in terms of mechanical aspects, but I think it might be an interesting subject. Perhaps doing it as sort of specials like "US Combat Knives 1900 to 2000" for example, that would provide a good amount of content.
I think this video may have solved a bit of a mystery. I being the only one in our extended family with a weapons liceance about ten years back I inherited a very worn carbine from my farther in law that I could never identity. It was marked as being his grandfather's, we don't know a lot about him except that he was originally some kind of colonial soldier, Indian or Gurka I don't know. Looking at these weapons it seems likely that this was the middle variant which he obtained one way another while serving on that boarder.
The title of this video immediately made me think of The Man Who Would Be King (1888) by Kipling. I don't see if anyone has commented about it before, but that story refers to these guns: "they sent me, with forty men and twenty rifles, and sixty men carrying turquoises, into the Ghorband country to buy those hand-made Martini rifles, that come out of the Amir’s workshops at Kabul..." Who knows, Kipling's story, and the movie based on it, might be one of the reason's that someone would have wanted to own an Afghan made Martini-Henry rifle, and lead to producing fake ones.
My Dari is rusty, and I only ever got the basics, but I think the top line of unknown numbers is 1,0,(possibly 4/possibly letter ayn/possibly something I can't even guess.),0,9. Bottom line has lots more potential readings. I tend to think it looks like the letters alef,yaa,hey, and the number 8. Given how many languages are spoken in Afghanistan though. as well as dialects and variable levels of literacy, these are pretty speculative on my part.
One thing that isn't probably very clear for lots of people, is that Martini sold the patent for the action. And lots of people produced Martini-based rifles, for example here in Switzerland lots of target rifles from this period are Martinis in 7.5 swiss (GP(18)90 and later GP11); these rifles ad others are "as legit" as Martini-Enfields.
Wow, In 2005, We had few of these guns in the extra-and-seasonal-used-material room in our house. One day, I were building Cage(a small room) for hens and Turkeys; i came short of Wood timbers and then I put three or four of these guns on the roof, put mud over it and it really worked for few years.
@@zayedbiniqbal2797 After the 1978 Russian invasion and coup in Afghanistan, most of the people; including my family, left the country and went to the near Pakhtunkhwa (then NWFP) Province (now under the control of Pakistan). During that time, People just toke the most important things with themselves when guns were one of them. During the time of refuge, farther from their homeland, people could barely make shelters to be covered from sun and rain, and the economic situation was not that good, and the harshness of the refuge situations de-valued everything; including human lives and these ancient Afghan Martinies Carbines, so it was not just me, but I have seen hundreds of these guns and more other antique pieces that went in vain. Otherwise, guns, horses, dogs, and Attan Dance were things most special to every Afghan. These were not things of war but were fantasies. It has deep roots even in poetry and myths.
Pretty interesting. I know Atlanta Cutlery bought a coupme of warehouses in Nepal years ago that were castle style buildings stacked floor to ceiling, sometimes in big loose piles, with 19th century British stuff. A veritable treasure trove, although the guns sadly were only suitable for wall hanging. Never know what will turn up where. Gunwriter David Fortier was embedded with troops in Iraq yrs ago. Searching a house for weapons , they called him over to identify one. It was an S&W Imperial Russian .44! "Where in the bleep did THAT come from??!!" If old guns could talk........
Hey Ian, I've been meaning to ask you a question. If you could get the chance to shoot three historical firearms (one that you didn't get the chance to shoot or the condition was abysmal), what would you pick?
Really neat, Ian, thanks. Now... based on your studies, was the metallurgy for these such that you'd trust them to fire better-kept versions (ones hat had less corrosion) once in a while?
My British MkIV martini in marked "PAK 527" on the nock's form and "2/KR 746" on the stock. Do you think it's possible my rifle was used by the Kyber Rifles?
Can you do a DP28? Not necessarily forgotten, but I feel like the only reason people really know about it is it's very unique profile. There doesn't seem to be anything with any real detail on UA-cam.
mr. ian HELP IVE GOT AN OLD PISTOL ...WITH NO COMPANY NAME ITS A HAMMERLESS PISTOL ..ITS A BREAKTOP BUT THE REALEASE LEVER IS ON THE SIDE OF THE PISTOL I KNOW THAT ITS VERY OLD BECAUSE OF THE STRAIGHT SLOT SCREWS (THE SLOTS ARENT CENTERED ON THE SCREW HEAD...IF ITS POSSIBLE I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HELP ME IDENTIFY IT .... THANKS IN ADVANCE...
georgiaridgerunner 79 then you get notified its one of a kind and been used in countless murders and armed heists. and you sir are in possession of it! jokes aside, I hope you atleast know where its come from! :/
*WAR THUNDER GAMING i actually have disvovered some very tiny british hallmarks on it..after some research ive discovered that its a webley manufactured between 1880 and 1940 .for the british military... it replaced the .455 ...(they thought the .455 was to much gun) but either way thanks for the reply....be cool chief...
It is a combination of two arabic letters. From right to left we have. ف Fa, and what looks like a ها Ha. Doesn't mean much, but could be meaningful in pashtoun, urdu, or farsi as initials for something or someone. Can't say much more about this, I hope i was of some help.
Nice one, Ii was just reading through the comments wondering if anyone had translated this. 4 years later, and you'd done it 11 hours ago. Maybe now someone will be able to discover it's meaning on the gun; thanks Ahmed.
Is it possible that 1328 wasn't supposed to be that gun's serial number, but the worker doing the markings did the date then forgot to switch stamps? Are there enough known serial numbers to check whether SN 1328 would have been produced in year 1328?
Seems like a silly theory. Do you think guns from any other manufacturer would skip over the serial number because it's the same as the year? It's just that number. If anything someone took care of this gun because the numbers happened to match. Imagine if you had a 1911 with serial number 1911. Of which I am certain many were made by many different manufacturers. Not a "clumsy stamper" 🙄
How rare are Martinis in 303.Brit.? I live in Germany and I am looking for one for over a half year now, but i can only find the Blackpowder Martinis. I would also like to own a 12Ga martini Shotgun but the only martini shotgun i could find was one in 13Ga?
“These carbines are all incapable of accepting bayonets” Ian you underestimate the power of duct tape
Duct tape can fix anything. It can fix reality itself
And zip ties
Good humor - but a bayonet coming askew and getting stuck in a rib cage thrust renders you and your rifle defenseless (as well as obstructing the muzzle for firing)
anything accepts a bayonet if you need a bayonet bad enough.
I never knew there were people in my country making Martini Henrys. Very interesting stuff
Hope ur doing ok
Can you read the scripts?
Ian, I've seen the letters above the stamp on a lot of the .303 carbines around that 1300 date. I believe they are the individual letters "F"(Right) and "H"(Left). You are correct about the script under the stamp. It's old Persian and says "Jangalak Factory" or "Made at Jangalak Factory". You used to see a fair amount of these in the Bazaars around Kabul.
Listening to Ian telling me about a variation of weapon made for a specific country, I have never heard of before, while eating self made chocolate pudding. Live couldn't be any better.
Yes I has Edumacation!
n0la You have never heard of Afghanistan.... -_-
Digiorno pizza here fam
its F alphabet
in arabic is ف
That feel when you have a new notification and its Forgotten Weapons.
getting a little tired of those now
personally I love the Bergmann vids!
Torres75 they are cool
guys, there is still more bergmann content don't fret. We haven't even talked about the 1908 ;)
I havent bothered watching any of those
My Father had a Martini Henry, the middle one in your video. Picked it up in Pakistan in the late 70's. But the reason why I comment: A lot of the rifles (including ours) were subsequently elabourately decorated with silver wire around the barrel and forestock and the metalwork was etched/ punched with additional Arabic writings. Apart from the fact it was filthy when he brought it back, it cleaned up beautifully and looked like a piece of artwork. I think it was a tribal gun which was passed down over the generations.
hahahahah it is a custom here to decorate Guns, People even hangs flowers to AKs sling,
Im still crying inside that BF1 nerfed the glorious Martini Henry. Damn you dice we could have been together forever.
It was a bug fix not a nerf.
It was a nerf that DICE disguised as a 'bug fix' so people wouldn't be as salty about it.
Marauder Shields exactly. It was so fun but hard to use. Good memories
Marauder Shields It's a bug fix, as no other sniper rifle on the game one shot kills in ss range on areas of the that body that aren't the upper torso. It rewards good aim on the relevant engagement ranges
So, why use the Martini-Henry? Every other weapon has a quicker fire rate and can easily follow up shots that don't insta-kill. The weapon is just too slow, too useless. Only use I've found for it is to use it to get pistol kills as I'm forced to follow up all my shots with a pistol clip.
There will come a time in every man's life, when he watches the movie Zulu, and shortly thereafter feels the strong urge to acquire a Martini-Henry rifle.
I've got 4 of them. Really great shooting rifle, I hunt elk with mine.
I'm in this comment.
Zulu is great but The Man Who Would Be King is my Martini Henri movie of choice.
I was thinking ghost and the darkness because the Chaplin picks up one of these rifles before he dies he didn’t see the lion that got him.
Thatfrigging Bathroom same here great film. You got to love Kipling
I'm gonna make a plan here
Step 1: We fund and develop the technology to travel to parallel timelines
Step 2: We travel to a timeline where Bergmann became the leading arms manufacturer in the world
Step 3: We grab what we can and bring it to Ian
Step 4: Ian can make a lifetime of Bergmann videos and rename his channel/website to Forgotten (or not so forgotten I guess) Bergmanns
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Step 5: ???
Step 6: profit
"Hi, I'm Ian and I am here at Rock Island auction house to announce my candidacy for United States President."
LPH I vote for this one! we must have an armada of Ian!
trump or Bergman service pistols hmmmm...
ill take the pistols.
Yes, but how do these relate to Bergmann?
Maybe Bergnann loaned the money to build the factory?
I remember seeing one of these(the .303 version with the Lee-Metford barrel) hanging up on the wall of the headquarters building when I was deployed to Jalalabad.
Now I want to see a mud test over these rifles they seem very well made and put together
I brought a couple of these to the US from Afghanistan back in 2011 when I was deployed. Very useful and accurate information, thank you!
As a Persian speaker, I agree with previous posters that the carved letters above the factory seal are probably initials reading either F.H. or F.M. depending on how bad the person's handwriting was. As for the the block printed brand below the seal, sadly those letters are both really poorly spaced and very stylized so I can barely make it out by reading one by itself, looking at those repetitions together it seems you are right. If your pronunciation of jangalak is at all close, then the inscription reads "kargah-e-Jangalak." It could also be GahGah, the place place, or the place of fornication, but I doubt it :) Name of the arsenal means "little forest workshop" as Kargah means worshop or factory. Jangal means forest or jungle and "ak" is a diminutive suffix. As Arabic letters are written with particular patterns of joining depending on their position in a word, arabic printing took awhile to get off the ground. As for the two marks on the knocks form you are unfortunately holding it upside down, one row is the number 17539 The word below, "ijrht" is a nonsense word whose letters correspond with each integer. Digging through some arabic language sites I found that this SEEMS... my arabic sucks so I repeat SEEMS to be a charm of sorts as what I was able dig up points to this being a part of the Arabic writings of a Qaderriya Sufi sect that was present in Afghanistan at this time. I have no reputable sources to back this up, just wikipedia, a bunch of arabic language forums on mysticism, and the help of google translate, but if I'm right, it's a spell of lucky numbers to bless the weapon. You'll need to speak to a scholar on Persian arms and armour to verify any of this though. Talk to Matt Easton of the Scholiagladiatoria channel, he's done some videos on swords and knives contemporary with these guns and has some connections with the right academics for the job.
Thank you for the knowledge and research, very interesting stuff! Many years later I wonder if you have gained any more insight?
I actually saw one when I went to Egypt, during one of the dozen government military checkpoint stops as we made our way from the coast to Cairo through the desert. All the soldiers had Russian AKM's and two of them were checking out what I thought at the time was just an old British gun, or some American lever action (1896) they had gotten their hands on somehow. Those of us who hadn't seen them got a good sphincter exercise when they fired at an empty suitcase on a wood crate out in the sand since we had been stopped for an unusually long time. Now I'm pretty certain it was one of these so thank you for this video, because their little improvised shooting range in the middle of the desert is a great memory of a trip in a country that has badly suffered from awful US government agencies who support, train and equip terrorists who take over countries either by civilian or military action. The beauty of the pyramids is in sharp contrast to what happens there today.
The Egyptian Govt hasn't been Russian backed since Sadat threw them out in te 1970's
Egypt was a US client from the time Sadat signed the Camp David accords. Mubarak was Sadat's VP and designated successor.
You're both a couple of idiots who never heardof Bright Star.. I'm done arguing with the ignorant.
Hey you guys! Stop goofin' around and tryin' to out-do each other with your respective versions of the 'troof'!
It's LOVE and FRIENDSHIP that makes the world go round. Each of us (from the Middle Class Capitalist West...to the Classless Communist East) have far, far, far, far, far more in common with each other than ANY of us have with those that wish to have power over us, brainwash us, indoctrinate us and get us all to do their bidding!!
Having lived and worked across the Globe all I can say is that most people are nice and friendly...but those that are infused and motivated by both greed and/or religion are what cause all of the world's ills.
Both greed and religion enable bad people to acquire power...and power corrupts.
Let's all just 'man-up' and give each other huge hugs and get along and have a good laugh! We're all on this planet just once...so let's all stop being d*cks! :D
I happen to have one of the Kabul Arsenal Martini Carbines. It has the old style stock with the sling swivel at the bottom of the stock, but the newer symbol (mosque in a star). It is also in .303. I've shot it with low-power .303 handloads and it actually shoots quite well.
Hey Yan, I was quite surprised by the way you spoke french in the last video, even if you had an accent (someone who talk english cant lose it, even with time) the way you said it was tottally right and very clear. Chapeau !
Im curious, which video was that?
this is a bit of a wild suggestion, but back in 2012, I visited the Venetian museum in Italy, and there is an entire section devoted to their weapons, including some unique firearms (some wheel locks, perhaps?) I'm sure that would be a long shot to acquire permission from them to look over them, but would be interesting none the less.
Cute rifles. Must be ridiculously rare. Oh that inscription at 8:00 says bergmann.
+NEprimo that joke went over your head man. he was recently making bergmann videos and I'm poking fun at it.
I love martini Henry's my grandfather has a old one from the Sydney colonial Army 1898
2 videos in one day? Ian, you work too hard for us
A friend of mine told me that the symbol at 8:04 reads as fahah or fahai in Arabic or Persian but he doesn't know what the word means, hope that helps.
He also told me that the markings at 9:30 say 17531 and jazatt or ajazatt.
Fantastic presentation. I got one that I think is production Afghan dressed up as British. Could not have figured it out without this video. Job well done. Thanks!
I think a mosin that's a little beat up would be a great gun to learn how to do gun repairs/ intro to basic gunsmithing, stock work, completely take downs for full cleans not just field strips, trigger work/ replacement depending, most likely you'll want to learn how to glass bead that new precision barrel you got. And if your lucky, you'll get a lesson on how to deal with and dispose of cosmoline xD. Serious note however if you have the means get a case of mosins and a spam can for each one of you have the means too
Not to mention you should keep your main guns zeroed, you won't be getting .25 moa but it should certainly be capable of taking a deer at 150yds provided you use match ammo and have your optics in order ;)
The translation of the Afghan inscription on the receiver is 'There are at least 20 people watching me as I inscribe this receiver. They think it's a proof mark. It's not'
Ever since I saw your Instagram post, I've been looking forward to a video on it.
right wing pony?
08I15
Pardon?
yea, because of your profile picture, got me wondering
08I15 Ah. I see.
Yes.
Coitus Ergo Sum oh ye boi, welcone to the fight
Have you ever seen a gun return to the auction house to be auctioned again after being sold successfully?
My great uncle and his pal, took 20 across the Khyber pass. Planned to go to Kafiristan and set themselves up as kings.
William Rolston The man who would be king. love that movie. I've seen it at least a dozen times.
Great film! I saw a contemporary painting (around 10x7 feet so...large) of this movie in a Sussex pub recently so its not forgotten.
Rudyard Kipling.
Fucking imperialists. ;)
Ha! You say Imperialist, I say entrepreneur.
I want a .303 Martini so bad!
E-mail me at mjenkins17@gmail.com if you haven't come across one!
Wouldn't it be awesome if some guy out there made a breach loaded Martini Henry that fires 50cal
@MotoMadness maybe.
@MotoMadness Why I say Maybe I'd have to look.
The inscription on the gun you asked about are the the letters fey and hey which are roughly equivalent to F and H. Seems like initials of some kind but thats about all I can say.
A thing about the Martini-Henry rifle that I've noticed is that the trigger, the trigger guard and it's placement looks like something taken out of a modern hunting rifle like a Kimber or a modern Mauser.. It just does not look like something thought out and manufactured in the 19th century and it stands out of the rest of the rifle.
I own a British made Martini Henry MkII that was brought back by a US Marine stationed in Afghanistan. Mine is Enfield marked and all correct. It is not a Kaiber Pass rifle. He brought back 2. He sold me one. Excellent condition and shoots very well and very accurate.
FYI people, This is still in active service in Afghanistan troops, paramilitary and resistance forces idk which force use it but they started using it since 1982 (war in Afghanistan)
I have one of these guns. I had no idea what it was until now. Thanks!
On carbine, serial number 1328, the marking above the arsenal logo appears to have been hand engraved. This appears to be a different marking technique compared to the arsenal stamped or rolled markings.
The question was what does it say
Ian I had a 57 Cal Henry Martini Carbine and could chamber a CIL 16 Gauge into her but never had the nerve to pull the trigger.
The 16 Gauge slug fit perfectly down the barrel - HIC
Kabul arsenal Martini parts are substantially indistinguishable from Brit parts, with key parts being 100% interchangeable. When made they were as legitimate and safe as any Brit made Martini. Given their use and often abuse, the same warning applies to them today as any well used century old firearm. Legitimate Martinis were made in many countries, including the USA by Providence Tool Co. which produced more Martini rifles than Enfield.
Awesome! My buddy just bought a Martini-Enfeild down in Ky...
I'm Afghan and I'm amazed my country could make guns like this back then. Thanx to islamists today we can't make a spoon.
ps. I couldn't read the ones below the stamp, but the one above seems to be something like "Mana". Can't tell what it means. Could be a name. My Dari isn't as good.
OldSchoolFreestyles69
Turkmen
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oh i thought u are from that u are afghan or something. well done ;)
I agree with you about the recent situation but we are still good at making GUNS, Darra Adam Khel, Peshawar companies. By we i means AFGHANS /Pashtuns/Pathans
ur piglet who spread misinformation on internet piglet learn history of Afghanistan before commenting
Robin Anna'Niaz your people didn’t make this gun. Your people can’t fight there way out of a wet paper bag. This is made by Pashtuns, pashtuns been making weapons from the 18th century.
Thanks Ian.
When I was deployed to Afghanistan, you could buy these for very cheap from wandering traders. I knew their historical significance, but I didn't want to spend the money then. Now I really regret it lol.
Could you have brought it back?
@@demonprinces17 oh yeah. Just had to fill out some paperwork for it. Some of my friends brought back a few.
I'll have mine shaken, not stirred.
I have one. Not sure which end is most dangerous. Damn loud with 80 grains of 1 F and 480 ish grain bullet.
Ian, have you covered any military issue combat knives before? I did a quick search on your channel but didn't find anything (Other than the blade/gun combos). Is that something you might consider covering? Or not too familiar/not too interested? There's obviously less to cover about in terms of mechanical aspects, but I think it might be an interesting subject. Perhaps doing it as sort of specials like "US Combat Knives 1900 to 2000" for example, that would provide a good amount of content.
It is also interesting that they were using them that late.
2 clips in one day!!! It's almost better than Christmas!!!
I think this video may have solved a bit of a mystery. I being the only one in our extended family with a weapons liceance about ten years back I inherited a very worn carbine from my farther in law that I could never identity. It was marked as being his grandfather's, we don't know a lot about him except that he was originally some kind of colonial soldier, Indian or Gurka I don't know. Looking at these weapons it seems likely that this was the middle variant which he obtained one way another while serving on that boarder.
Thank you sniper Jesus for a video not about Bergmann pistols.
The title of this video immediately made me think of The Man Who Would Be King (1888) by Kipling. I don't see if anyone has commented about it before, but that story refers to these guns:
"they sent me, with forty men and twenty rifles, and sixty men carrying turquoises, into the Ghorband country to buy those hand-made Martini rifles, that come out of the Amir’s workshops at Kabul..."
Who knows, Kipling's story, and the movie based on it, might be one of the reason's that someone would have wanted to own an Afghan made Martini-Henry rifle, and lead to producing fake ones.
Wow the inscriptions on those are really cool. Would be awesome to own one.
My favorite movie featuring Martini Henry’s is the 4 Feathers and Ghost and the Darkness
wow that round must really thump what ever it hits
Afghan rifles. One of my favourite!
That Swiss Vetterli Model 1878 Rifle in lot nr 6344 on the Rock Island site looks interesting!
Your pronunciation of ‘jangalak’ wasn’t too terribly off lol. Great video, as always🤘🏽.
Oh thank goodness, I'd burnt out real hard on bergmann pistols, to the point I haven't watched the last few yet.
farmerboy916 How could you be burnt out on Bergamann pistols? That's crazy.
you should find your way to bagran airfield. they sell a whole lot of old British rifles for about 80-200 bucks a rifle
Ever since I watched the movie Zulu, I love martini henry
+dandhan87 Same here. It will always be my favorite single-shot rifle.
"Just-clicked-subscriptions-and-look-what-popped-up" squad reporting in!
Koukám že čechů je tu taky dost :-D
My Dari is rusty, and I only ever got the basics, but I think the top line of unknown numbers is 1,0,(possibly 4/possibly letter ayn/possibly something I can't even guess.),0,9. Bottom line has lots more potential readings. I tend to think it looks like the letters alef,yaa,hey, and the number 8. Given how many languages are spoken in Afghanistan though. as well as dialects and variable levels of literacy, these are pretty speculative on my part.
Got a couple of those.
The inscription up top reads "FA HA" in Persian script, it looks hand inscribed, possibly the initials of the owner? as in Fahid Hamed. .
don't know what it is but I love the action on Martini rifles. simplicity?
These remind me of the Khyber pass handgun you showed a a while back that had all the weird stamps all over it.
These are lovely though!
Its basicly a common culture bettween Pashtuns in Afghanistan and the Khyber Pass
Pashtuns are basicly the Og afghans
@@omarshinwari7823 Such as the Afridi.
One thing that isn't probably very clear for lots of people, is that Martini sold the patent for the action. And lots of people produced Martini-based rifles, for example here in Switzerland lots of target rifles from this period are Martinis in 7.5 swiss (GP(18)90 and later GP11); these rifles ad others are "as legit" as Martini-Enfields.
On the topic of middle-eastern rifles, will there be a jezail review in the future, if you can get your hands on one? I'd love to see it!
I read the title as "The Kebab Arsenal" lmao
relatively accurate
Are these in the White? Or is the finish worn and washed off?
Wow,
In 2005, We had few of these guns in the extra-and-seasonal-used-material room in our house. One day, I were building Cage(a small room) for hens and Turkeys; i came short of Wood timbers and then I put three or four of these guns on the roof, put mud over it and it really worked for few years.
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@@zayedbiniqbal2797 After the 1978 Russian invasion and coup in Afghanistan, most of the people; including my family, left the country and went to the near Pakhtunkhwa (then NWFP) Province (now under the control of Pakistan). During that time, People just toke the most important things with themselves when guns were one of them. During the time of refuge, farther from their homeland, people could barely make shelters to be covered from sun and rain, and the economic situation was not that good, and the harshness of the refuge situations de-valued everything; including human lives and these ancient Afghan Martinies Carbines, so it was not just me, but I have seen hundreds of these guns and more other antique pieces that went in vain. Otherwise, guns, horses, dogs, and Attan Dance were things most special to every Afghan. These were not things of war but were fantasies. It has deep roots even in poetry and myths.
Love the Videos.
Pretty interesting. I know Atlanta Cutlery bought a coupme of warehouses in Nepal years ago that were castle style buildings stacked floor to ceiling, sometimes in big loose piles, with 19th century British stuff. A veritable treasure trove, although the guns sadly were only suitable for wall hanging. Never know what will turn up where. Gunwriter David Fortier was embedded with troops in Iraq yrs ago. Searching a house for weapons , they called him over to identify one. It was an S&W Imperial Russian .44! "Where in the bleep did THAT come from??!!" If old guns could talk........
so when RIA says the lot of henry rifles is 1400 to 1900 are they talking about all 5 guns for that price?
Roughly how much did these go for at auction? Especially the .303. Just so I know how far out of my price range these are!
Until the late 70's afgan rebbels still were used those old guns
I need to get one of these.
thanks Ian , most interesting .
You never know the true meaning of rage until you were one shotted in bf1 by the martini
jtrades Gaming yea, but now it's trash.
Is that the infamous Khyber Pass MartiniBerg Henrymann carbine?
TURBO71 BERGMANNS BERGMANNS BERGMANNS or BROWNING BROWNING BROWNING?
Ian, are you going to be at the Feb Rock Island Auction?
Hey Ian, I've been meaning to ask you a question. If you could get the chance to shoot three historical firearms (one that you didn't get the chance to shoot or the condition was abysmal), what would you pick?
Really neat, Ian, thanks. Now... based on your studies, was the metallurgy for these such that you'd trust them to fire better-kept versions (ones hat had less corrosion) once in a while?
1. Confederate Whitworth-rifled sniper rifle
2. Blunderbus
3. Puckle gun
My British MkIV martini in marked "PAK 527" on the nock's form and "2/KR 746" on the stock. Do you think it's possible my rifle was used by the Kyber Rifles?
Do you think you'll get your hands on a Werder-Gewehr one day? :) One of my favourite rifles, made in Bavaria!
Can you do a DP28?
Not necessarily forgotten, but I feel like the only reason people really know about it is it's very unique profile. There doesn't seem to be anything with any real detail on UA-cam.
mr. ian HELP IVE GOT AN OLD PISTOL ...WITH NO COMPANY NAME ITS A HAMMERLESS PISTOL ..ITS A BREAKTOP BUT THE REALEASE LEVER IS ON THE SIDE OF THE PISTOL I KNOW THAT ITS VERY OLD BECAUSE OF THE STRAIGHT SLOT SCREWS (THE SLOTS ARENT CENTERED ON THE SCREW HEAD...IF ITS POSSIBLE I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HELP ME IDENTIFY IT .... THANKS IN ADVANCE...
georgiaridgerunner 79 then you get notified its one of a kind and been used in countless murders and armed heists. and you sir are in possession of it! jokes aside, I hope you atleast know where its come from! :/
*WAR THUNDER GAMING i actually have disvovered some very tiny british hallmarks on it..after some research ive discovered that its a webley manufactured between 1880 and 1940 .for the british military... it replaced the .455 ...(they thought the .455 was to much gun) but either way thanks for the reply....be cool chief...
Dodge Mustang the pistol has been identified ..its a webley in .38 s&w ....thanks for the input though...
Did they ever have a bayonet fixes, as they do in battlefield 1, or was that a bit of wishful thinking on Dice's part?
Rifles used bayonets, but carbines did not.
It is a combination of two arabic letters. From right to left we have. ف Fa, and what looks like a ها Ha. Doesn't mean much, but could be meaningful in pashtoun, urdu, or farsi as initials for something or someone. Can't say much more about this, I hope i was of some help.
By reading this comment section and all future "Forgotten Weapons" comment sections, we now know the Bergmann will never be forgotten weapon.
The script that is on top of the mosque is Farsi for FH, initials of some sort.
I think it would either be FD or WZ/MZ. The placement of the dot makes it confusing.
Finally a video that isn't a bergmann
Awesome vids - Your mic sounds a little odd this video.
repeating the date as if it were a serial number leads me to believe that it may have been done to confuse a collector.
The inscription above the logo reads the arabic/persian letters for F (Fa) amd H(Ha)
Nice one, Ii was just reading through the comments wondering if anyone had translated this. 4 years later, and you'd done it 11 hours ago.
Maybe now someone will be able to discover it's meaning on the gun; thanks Ahmed.
Did they make any shotguns there, like the Greener shotguns?
Peachy and Danny would be proud...
The fist alphabet is the English analog of "F" and the 2nd one for "H" so it is like written in English as F /H
Ever seen a boer Mauser at one of these auctions?
Is it possible that 1328 wasn't supposed to be that gun's serial number, but the worker doing the markings did the date then forgot to switch stamps? Are there enough known serial numbers to check whether SN 1328 would have been produced in year 1328?
Seems like a silly theory. Do you think guns from any other manufacturer would skip over the serial number because it's the same as the year? It's just that number. If anything someone took care of this gun because the numbers happened to match.
Imagine if you had a 1911 with serial number 1911. Of which I am certain many were made by many different manufacturers. Not a "clumsy stamper" 🙄
They have a lot of these in Bagram Airforce base and surrounding areas. Was never sure how legitimate they where.
How rare are Martinis in 303.Brit.? I live in Germany and I am looking for one for over a half year now, but i can only find the Blackpowder Martinis. I would also like to own a 12Ga martini Shotgun but the only martini shotgun i could find was one in 13Ga?