These stories are so important for the record of Hubbard and Scientology. I hope one day even Scientologists will be able to freely listen to them. They are very much separated from their past. The Sea Org barely resembles what it was like when Hubbard was around. Absolutely one of the most important channels related to Scientology ever! Thank you both!
Thank you very much for the nice comment. We hope we do present the history of Sceintology and the Sea Org to fill in the blanks for people going forward.
Great show. I have two stories about your mom when I was at the celebrity center. She was wonderful. I was so sad when I heard or read the letter saying she thought it was better to drop her body than get the needed auditing for her brain cancer. She had every course graduate in her office for a talk when you finished even the most uncomplicated course. I loved her like a mom.
Having been there myself from age 13-38, I am stunned how ignorant of the common world I was, in my extreme sheltered life in the Sea Organization then. “Making it go right” is just stupid.
Thank you for sharing your stories. I love hearing how things were done in the early days and of course hearing Janice laugh over the fire cracked me up ❤
All of your recounts are just fascinating, you two continue to do a great job. I am a never in but have become obsessed with cos thanks to you. Looking forward to the next one. And it is so true, he put everyone in danger.
I joined SO at AOLA November 1977. I always felt ‘late’. Thank you so much Janis ❤ for filling in the blanks. I now appreciate my earlier 10 years fishing, hunting and hiking in Sitka Alaska much more! BTW I never heard of the raid till long after - 2010+
Yes it was early July 1977. I was doing my cleaning station as an RPFer at the Complex Horseshoe entrance when the FBI came in with sledge hammers etc. it was crazy.
I'm looking forward to your next episode. Will your sister make an appearance? I'm also looking forward to Stuart M. taking part. Did you ever see the tv show Miami Vice? I think Don Johnson's who Pat Broeker thought he was -- hair slicked back, and the coolest guy in town.
Thank you for sharing all your wonderful stories and having some amazing guest on the channel. Just one thing keeps sticking in my head on this one: 50k is about 400k today.... that is alot of money!!! Specially if its in cash! What and how was he spending that so fast while on the lam?? I believe Janis when she says LRH did not live totally lavishly, so where was that money going?
It was spent sparingly to pay rent, utilities, food, etc and the rest was returned when they got back to the base in La Quinta. LRH liked to have extra fund in reserve in case he had to stay on the lam longer.
Just as a comment on the FBI raids (searches) at the 3 locations. At the time, in the sea org, we knew about the raids, knew it was the FBI, knew it was a big deal. But we were just told it was a raid against the church in general, because the FBI and the government were evil. We had no idea there were valid search warrants, no idea it was a search of Guardian's offices rather than just a general raid against the church. I personally thought they probably wouldn't find anything they could make sense of, because of the scientology lingo. And the assumption was they mainly wanted to get or arrest LRH. And also the idea was, when he came back, it was safe for him because the FBI were now after Mary Sue, and she had left. Jimmy Mulligan, by the way, was a real weenie-head (Richard Cranium).
1:04:40. Wow! Henning Heldt's "red box" with Mary Sue's handwritten orders to Henning! I wonder if those Mary Sue handwritten orders have ever been made public?
1:06:58 All of what Hubbard did was indictable and his “ being on the lam” showed consciousness of guilt. The fact that he let Mary Sue take the fall for him is incredulous.
Mark, the grand jury can bring charges based on probable cause. It's only once you get to trial that beyond a reasonable doubt becomes the standard. Janis, when I think of the way you and your mother were separated for all the years and she was robbed of the comfort and love of her children during her dying days it simply breaks my heart. so wrong.
Actually, the Grand Jury only determines whether there is legally sufficient evidence to believe a person committed a crime. Beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt is the standard for trial.
I was thinking about pirates how their name is so bad and how they're bad but actually they were probably just trying to be free but the government gave them the bad name but also they probably did some things that gave them the bad name
0:01 I think it was July 77, not June. (June is my favorite month). Another picky quibble, the place was not La Quinta at that time, it was just unincorporated Riverside county.
It was July 1977 which I mention later on. WHQ (Winterhead Quarters) was located in several houses across the street from the La Quinta Hotel and later sold to the hotel (except Rifle) which is why I refer to it as La Quinta. While we mostly referred to it as WHQ, we did refer to the location as La Quinta or Indio as that was the closest town, as it was easier than unincorporated Riverside county.
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These stories are so important for the record of Hubbard and Scientology. I hope one day even Scientologists will be able to freely listen to them. They are very much separated from their past. The Sea Org barely resembles what it was like when Hubbard was around. Absolutely one of the most important channels related to Scientology ever! Thank you both!
Thank you very much for the nice comment. We hope we do present the history of Sceintology and the Sea Org to fill in the blanks for people going forward.
Great show. I have two stories about your mom when I was at the celebrity center. She was wonderful. I was so sad when I heard or read the letter saying she thought it was better to drop her body than get the needed auditing for her brain cancer. She had every course graduate in her office for a talk when you finished even the most uncomplicated course. I loved her like a mom.
Having been there myself from age 13-38, I am stunned how ignorant of the common world I was, in my extreme sheltered life in the Sea Organization then. “Making it go right” is just stupid.
Thank you for sharing your stories. I love hearing how things were done in the early days and of course hearing Janice laugh over the fire cracked me up ❤
Glad you enjoyed it. Yes I laughed too! LOL
All of your recounts are just fascinating, you two continue to do a great job. I am a never in but have become obsessed with cos thanks to you. Looking forward to the next one. And it is so true, he put everyone in danger.
That is a very nice comment Peggy. Thank you so much! We have much more to come and we appreciate you watching!
Thanks for this video - so scatging!
Janis' memory is amazing - and, so glad there is laughter now. And, thanks to those leaving comments adding their experiences. You all are a treasure!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you so much for watching!
Agree!
I joined SO at AOLA November 1977.
I always felt ‘late’.
Thank you so much Janis ❤ for filling in the blanks. I now appreciate my earlier 10 years fishing, hunting and hiking in Sitka Alaska much more!
BTW I never heard of the raid till long after - 2010+
Yes it was early July 1977. I was doing my cleaning station as an RPFer at the Complex Horseshoe entrance when the FBI came in with sledge hammers etc. it was crazy.
I'm looking forward to your next episode. Will your sister make an appearance? I'm also looking forward to
Stuart M. taking part. Did you ever see the tv show Miami Vice? I think Don Johnson's who Pat Broeker thought he was -- hair slicked back, and the coolest guy in town.
Mark
you are right LRH put all of them in danger . DM is doing the same thing.
Yes apsolutely agree with you. Thanks for watching!
The stories are amazing, a lit of people are missing out.
Great storytelling!💜🙏
Thank you! 🙂
That was a lot of fun! Thanks so much.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great vid!!
THanks very much.
Thank you for sharing all your wonderful stories and having some amazing guest on the channel. Just one thing keeps sticking in my head on this one: 50k is about 400k today.... that is alot of money!!! Specially if its in cash! What and how was he spending that so fast while on the lam?? I believe Janis when she says LRH did not live totally lavishly, so where was that money going?
It was spent sparingly to pay rent, utilities, food, etc and the rest was returned when they got back to the base in La Quinta. LRH liked to have extra fund in reserve in case he had to stay on the lam longer.
Awe okay thanks for answering 😂😅 still alot of money!!
great stories - sorry it took me so long to wash
26:30 I just knew the name Cooper Rounds was going to pop up somewhere. Janis can’t just let it go. 😅
😂 You listen well 😅❤
Just as a comment on the FBI raids (searches) at the 3 locations. At the time, in the sea org, we knew about the raids, knew it was the FBI, knew it was a big deal. But we were just told it was a raid against the church in general, because the FBI and the government were evil. We had no idea there were valid search warrants, no idea it was a search of Guardian's offices rather than just a general raid against the church. I personally thought they probably wouldn't find anything they could make sense of, because of the scientology lingo. And the assumption was they mainly wanted to get or arrest LRH. And also the idea was, when he came back, it was safe for him because the FBI were now after Mary Sue, and she had left. Jimmy Mulligan, by the way, was a real weenie-head (Richard Cranium).
I thought I had read that Ron had watched Star Wars and had nice things to say about the film. Ironic that the raids happened just a few months later.
Revoke L Ron Hubbard's copyrights.
LRH was such a chicken. 🐓
1:04:40. Wow! Henning Heldt's "red box" with Mary Sue's handwritten orders to Henning! I wonder if those Mary Sue handwritten orders have ever been made public?
1:06:58 All of what Hubbard did was indictable and his “ being on the lam” showed consciousness of guilt. The fact that he let Mary Sue take the fall for him is incredulous.
He was a coward
Mark, the grand jury can bring charges based on probable cause. It's only once you get to trial that beyond a reasonable doubt becomes the standard. Janis, when I think of the way you and your mother were separated for all the years and she was robbed of the comfort and love of her children during her dying days it simply breaks my heart. so wrong.
Totally agree - thankyou.
Actually, the Grand Jury only determines whether there is legally sufficient evidence to believe a person committed a crime. Beyond and to the exclusion of a reasonable doubt is the standard for trial.
@@SuppressiveSquirrel actually, that's what i said
Couldn't make it in the real Navy so he made up his own
At 39:01, look who's turning heads."...
I was thinking about pirates how their name is so bad and how they're bad but actually they were probably just trying to be free but the government gave them the bad name but also they probably did some things that gave them the bad name
0:01 I think it was July 77, not June. (June is my favorite month). Another picky quibble, the place was not La Quinta at that time, it was just unincorporated Riverside county.
It was July 1977 which I mention later on. WHQ (Winterhead Quarters) was located in several houses across the street from the La Quinta Hotel and later sold to the hotel (except Rifle) which is why I refer to it as La Quinta. While we mostly referred to it as WHQ, we did refer to the location as La Quinta or Indio as that was the closest town, as it was easier than unincorporated Riverside county.
I misspoke when I did the intro. It was July. LOL Oh well!
:03 Mark! Not June it was July silly you 😅
Yes I know. I mispoke and made a mistake on the video. I corrected it on the Video description and Facebook posts. Thanks for watching.
Too bad ALL of LRH’s writings didn’t get put into trash bags😂 Including all those horrible & boring sci-fi books he wrote!
All you guys are just jealous of a decorated war hero! LOLOLO
LOLOLOL
But his name was not LOLOLO, think it was LRH;-)
Never feed the trolls and thank you for all your work!