Yeah, this is a ridiculous issue, Shane -- I saw in your video that you mentioned the zoom feature wouldn't work with discs at all, and it had me shaking my head. One of the things I loved about my Oppo BDP-83 was its zoom feature, which allowed me to zoom in on non-anamorphic DVDs and get them to their proper aspect ratio; the UDP-203 had this, as did its clone, the Cambridge Audio CXUHD (which I owned and still keep in storage as a backup), but the Panasonics do not...if the Reavons don't support zoom on discs, it's really a WTF moment. At least you can set the aspect ratio in the setup menu to allow 4:3 DVD content to automatically stretch to fill the screen, like the Oppos did (and the Panasonics do NOT)...
@@scotta6315 I have the x200. Zoom works with the DVDs I have tried and older Blu-rays. Boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome's The Beastmaster 4K and Synapse's Suspiria 4K allowed zoom as well. Email support has reported it is a issue of the disc authoring and whether the studio allows zoom or not. Most of the newer release discs I have do not allow it.
@@jjchmiel78 Thanks for the feedback, jj; it should work with ALL DVDs, but in the past I know some of these zoom features didn't allow manipulation of 1080p Blu-ray (so, for instance, if you wanted to remove the side pillarbox bars of old TV shows on Blu-ray like Star Trek/Twilight Zone, et al, you couldn't blow the image up to remove the black areas...however, my Oppo and Cambridge did let you via zoom).
So yes this is a immensely important issue to me.. I even have the Oppo 103D for Blu and 203 for 4K and the 203 will not zoom Dolby Vision 4k discs. I had a LG CX and was able to use it to zoom 4k dolby vision discs ( I only check 3 or 4).. But my Sony Z9J will not. I am researching now but no reviewers mention this feature on normal reviews.. please mention this to "Brian Tech therapy" as will I. This feature alone is a deal breaker for me.. I didn't buy a 75" TV to get to use it as a 65" on the most premium content.
@@jaysbakes37 yes it does. I used my PlayStation 3 and 4 for years for blueray. Also have a Sony Blu-ray player. Coming from those to the Panasonic ub420 was an improvement in every visual way. Audio seems to have a slightly lower noise floor and higher dynamic range but the picture sharpness, rendering smoothness, color, contrast black levels, etc are a noticeable improvement and I hate that I dismissed all bluray player playback as being the same. Also the upscaling on the Panasonic is much better as well.
I have it as well. Also don't forget the 820 supports Dolby Vision AND HDR10+! I have a new QN90A Samsung TV so that's important to me. This Raevon doesn't have HDR10+ and costs 3x more smh
The Panasonic will NOT play my SACD and DVD-AUDIO discs. Since I'm more of a fanatic about sound quality (rather than picture quality), this is a major shortcoming for me. Cheers.
There is no player that will ever be worth no $1700! And this thing doesnt even all the features. You have to be a fool to purchase this player. Seriously
Tell that to the all the people who purchased the 4K Oppo players, for several times this Reavon's price (on the secondary market). I've seen the Oppo UDP-205 sell, for almost $5000 (if not more).
I'm fortunate to have a BDP-93, BDP-103D, and UDP-203, all in pristine condition. And in my opinion, the Reavons (rebadged Oppos?) just don't offer enough in the way of cutting-edge innovations to justify spending money "upgrading" to either one of the two models.
You should've called them out for shipping a $1700 player with no HDR10+ support. Seriously? Also they could have DVD-A support like OPPO. Only thing I can't really complain about is a lack of HD DVD support because even Toshiba's Blu-ray players didn't support that.
Some are still paying many times this price, for Oppo players. Those units don't offer HDR10+ support, either. HDR10+ doesn't appear to be a priority [or even important], for consumers willing to pay these price points. Projector owners, most likely.
HDR10+ doesn't receive the support from manufacturers to begin with. It's a hit and miss thing. I get it, people are still brainwashed into thinking $3k for a beat up OPPO makes sense and this doesn't, but hey
@44krazzy That may not be an issue anymore. Multiple 4K projectors already have their own HDR optimization features. Particularly, models from JVC and Sony.
Agree Chris, but those jvc and sony are at a higher price point, adding that feature in 4K player provides more value as then you can pair it more affordable mainstream PJ like of Epson Benqs, and new crop of USTs
I’ve owned the X200 for a little more than 3 months and I’m very happy. However I believe it’s overpriced. When needed, support is good, very responsive.
I saw in another review below this guys review the guy said if you go to open the CD tray it takes a few seconds for the tray to open and close and say for example you forgot to close the CD tray and you shut off the power like most CD players that close the tray won't close like when you have a CD player as the power shuts off the CD tray won't close and the guy thought the price of the player was a bit expensive for something that does not open or close right away or doesn't close when the power is shut off. He was doing something and said the player had some glitches and some interference when he was doing something with the player. To me, that is something that should be improved upon with the newer model if they even make a newer model. I found out about this player through a Home Theater sales guy telling him I wanted to buy a High-End Turntable and a CD Recorder to put my Jimi Hendrix Imports to CD because they don't make them anymore and he said there is a site you can go to where you can find that Record and load it to this player and no matter how expensive your Turntable and CD Recorder is the quality will still be better transferring it t this the Universal player. He said this site has music videos you can put to the player too. I forget the name of the site he said it was but I still want to buy this player but I still need to make sure I can get the import Record off this site. otherwise, I will be buying a Turntable and a CD Recorder. I like listening to records but I don't want to wear out the Records is why I want to put them to CD Recording.
I want them to move away from disks simply because the players are insanely expensive. How much more expensive could small cartridges me? Easy to build into TVs and small streaming devices. Those with a disk could upgrade for whatever the cartridge cost is. A trade in - you don’t keep both.
Cannot replace Oppo for price and universality. Oppo 's most expensive player was around 1400 bucks in Canada on 2017. Too bad did not get it at that time. Still regret it to this day. Will stick to Nvidia Shield for MKV 4k playback. Works every time.
Well, it's got the brushed hairline aluminum front panel, but from the inside photos I've seen in the HT forums, it's pretty much an empty box without much "premium" circuitry within. The Panasonic UB9000 is built better than any of these players, save for, perhaps, the UDP-205 or LX500/800, with a serious heft to it and thick, multi-layered metal frames, but I gotta say...after owning one for over a year now (the UB9000), the disc drawer is far from "buttery smooth" as reviews you lead you to believe, as mine has developed a strange, loud "cogging vibration" noise when the drawer slams shut. To be honest, the disc drawer was never silent to begin with out of the box, instead sounding kind of "scratchy" and rough when in movement in/out, but this has gotten progressively worse for us. Disappointing for the $999 asking price, but I suppose this is considered "budget" today, based on what the X200 is going for.... (insert eye roll here, LOL)
I too purchased the 100 - customer support was great - mine made a lot of noise when spinning 4K discs. There were some bad units according to Zappiti and they sent a new one and a return label. The new one is quieter but not as quite as my Oppo 203. Ironically after I got my Revon, Oppo support finally replied back to me about my player's freezing on discs over 2hours long. They fixed it for $109. I could have saved $800 but now I have two really great players but the Reavon has one feature no one is talking about so I'll keep it for that reason. Hopefully it won't be removed on a firmware upgrade.
Does anyone else get the feeling makers of Blu Ray players are trying to squeeze as much out of customers by raising prices a lot? Also, top players are selling out fast. Oppos are getting more second hand than when they were new!
Oppo should surprise everyone by reentering the market and offering an Oppo 303 and 305 to compete with this. Imagine what Oppo could do with a player with a listing price of $1800.
Oppo was a great brand at very affordable price with high quality. This one looks like a clone of Oppo but has a premium price tag. I have a separate two channel system. I need a nice Blu ray player to watch 4k movies. $1700 is too high for me. My budget is $1000 or less. Great review.
Yeah, the true "clone" of the UDP-203, at least, was the Cambridge Audio CXUHD...I'd say the UDP-205 was more akin to the Pioneer LX500, at least aesthetically.
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Well, I wouldn't be one of those people to purchase 10 of these things just to be able to sell them at a higher cost; not really fair to those who were looking for one at the regular price. But you're right -- the CXUHD prices ARE ridiculous on the used market.
@@scotta6315 I definitely wouldn't have gouged people with ridiculous prices, but making a small profit would have been easy and nice. I did buy one 203 and made $250 on it. I actually wish I would have kept it now!
@@Tacet137 discontinued. It is a great player but absolutely not worth the $3K + people are selling it for now. Audio is better on the Oppo but Panasonic 9000 has better video IMHO.
avoid reavon i just been thru hell with this brand. the only person that u speak to is a guy named Bill. and he has HUUUGE anger issue. he called me a scammer due to me needing a return. and was not professional at all he also ranting on about amazon and go and buy a cheap 97 dollar player. AVOID THIS BRAND
Nice review! Looks like a decent player, but missing some things for the price that it shouldn’t be. The real question though is, what watch are you wearing lol? I know it’s a Rolex, but hard to tell from the video. From your videos it seems like you have a nice watch collection as well. Thanks for the great content!
We had nothing but problems with this player. Sent for repair twice to no avail, I doubt if they Actually did anything to it. Communication was troublesome and very defensive. For me this brand is not worth considering. Unfortunately they also import Magnetar and so I don't see that as an option.
So it’s basically an oppo 205 just missing the HDMI in port I sold my Oppo 203 that I bought from the factory it was a return I paid $460 the person who bought it didn’t like it absolute perfect condition. I had it for three years put it on eBay and sold it for almost $1100 and bought the Panasonic 820 because it had the HDR optimizer soon as I pulled it out of the box and picked it up I regretted selling my Oppo for $500 it felt cheap plastic no backlit Remote I’m not a big fan of the menu but it is what it is but this will replay your featuring it’s very expensive like Panasonic‘s high-end Blu-ray player looks nice but for that price no thanks like I said I regret selling my Oppo Even though we didn’t have the HD or optimizer the bill quality was second to none
Not exactly like an Oppo 205. This Reavon player is about 7 lbs. lighter, doesn't use isolated blocks for the analog/digital circuitry, has fewer connectivity options (including the "HDMI IN" you mentioned), doesn't have the ESS Sabre DACs, and it's missing various other things the Oppo 205 also had. I admire what Reavon tried to do with the X200, but it still doesn't come anywhere close to the Oppo 205.
@@christopherbrown5023 it seems like it’s missing quite a few things over the 205 and wasn’t a 205 cheaper? I miss Oppo And I also miss Pioneer he made the best plasma TVs who knows what they would’ve done if they were still in the TV game
Shane. I would ask that you and your fellow influencers try to get venders to end smart apps on A/V products. It has become tedious and problematic. A display or projector should dedicate all its processing power to display. A player should dedicate all its processing power to playing. And a streaming box should do the same. These devices should still support Wi-Fi connection for firmware updates and web UI, but fickle third party support apps need to go. A/V separates all the way. Thanks. Like you vids. Press on.
1,699.00 bucks for this Universal 4k player that's pretty expensive only for those that have a high end home theater system and setup would get soemthing like this I'll stick with my LG 4k region free player it's good enough for me
I have the LG UBK90 and was in use for 3 years before I bought the Reavon X200. The picture quality of the Reavon is much better. Not 6 times better but does have other features including the ability to be region free.
I am pretty sure this does not support hdr10+ I own a couple of 4K discs and it is one of the reason I brought the ub9000 over this, but your description says it does???
@@therealshanelee Okay sadly your source is incorrect, The player does not support 10+ Reviewers say that they mark it down for not supporting it, and the official product page and spec sheets do not show that is supports 10+ So it may be worth taking it off the description and review, a quick google search shall show this :) i do not want people being mislead in to buying a £1200 player to find out it does not do what they want is all.
Shane: Reavon informed me they have fixed freezing issues with UHD 100GB discs. Hopefully this resolves any discs getting "Stuck" like you mentioned. Question, the discs that got stuck or froze, were they Blu-ray or 4K BD?
My Pioneer BDP LX-88 was awesome but it was more than once on repair so it had to go...i loved the network features of the pio playing hi res Audio MKV movie files over LAN. I purchased an Panasonic DP-UB9004 Its not what i wanted and expected network and mediaplayer wise it sucks so much! But the picture and sound qualitiy is awesome also the upscaling of normal blurays is awesome...it was a hard descision but i kept it. Using it together with the Shield TV pro. If Oppo would still be on the market i would propably have chosen an oppo but after the problems with my pioneer i wanted a device with manufacturer support. The Reavon was also interesting but way overpriced in my oppinion and look whats inside the player for me thats a no go forcthis hi price! and it also can not reach the Pana in sound and picture quality. Shield TV Pro as mediaplayer and Panasonic UB DP 9004 as hi end Bluray Player works good for me at the moment... the problem is there are not much alternatives anymore on the market and it looks to get even less in the future...
Hei. I also have The Panasonic 9000. What do you mean about upscaling normal Blu-ray? Does that mean you transfer normal 1080p up to 4k? What settings do you have to have on than, 4K all The time? :-)
@@havarskarkerud6104 Hi... i have an 4K 55" Panasonic Oled TV. In my Bluray collection i have for example more normal "HD" Blurays than 4k UHD Blurays. The panasonic does an awesome job upscaling them to 4k. The picture is even better than the pioneer bdp lx 88 wich also is an flagship (std.) Bluray player. So the UB DP 9004 has really good upscaling capabilities from 1080P to UHD thats what i meant. But the network port on this player is almost useless because the built in Streaming Apps suck and the usb/network mediaplayer is also garbage not because of the picrure quality but because of the compatibility ...most audi and video formats wont play on this device... even my panasonic TV built in Mediaplayer plays more formats than the one of the UB DP 9000. Yes output setting is set to 4k all the time. You can set "Oled Tv" as output preset in the player menu .
How’s playback on this thing? I bought a Sony smart Blu Ray player in 2019 but I noticed random frame skips that made certain words sound incomplete! At one point in The Secret Life of Pets, I heard Ma when I should’ve heard Max, for example, and when watching Onward, I heard “Step out of vehicle” when I should’ve heard “Step out of the vehicle”, either it’s just a faulty player or Sony have lowered their standards! Shame, they made so much good tech in the past!
I got the original Sony X800 when I got my first 4k HDR TV, and I upgraded to the X800m2 that supports Dolby Vision. They also play all disk types and look awesome for 300 or less when new. Don't know if they still sell them but I'll stick with mine till it dies. I've had some sort of universal player since Pioneer released their first one and I have enough SACD and DVD audio disks to make it worth having one. Too bad almost nobody makes a reasonably priced multi format player or the audio disks anymore.
I understand the position of each one .. And at the same time I also have my sony 800M2 and I agree on several aspects with all of you. But if we make an analogy in this regard, it is like when you have your Asian brand vehicle and then you think about replacing it with a European vehicle! Or American, knowing that you have the same doors, features and wheels as the vehicles made in Asia. But still you want to replace said vehicle either on a whim, for updating, for style or satisfaction .. If you are a lover in this case of vehicles after all, you will. And I say it with all due respect.
@@digitalclonaid8195 yeah I get what you mean updating to the "latest and greatest" is always fun. Just saying in my personal situation I'm happy with my player and this new player doesn't have enough incentives for myself to spend the money to upgrade.
Sony players have some negative issues since it’s going to freezes during playback of 4K Ultra UHD disc, and the build materials are not sort like high-end, and also some sellers are cheating by saying it’s a free region, and after buying it will not be a free region anymore especially if you’re going to update the firmware. It’s only good for the price if you want something in the living room for less use for fun. and it’s not an audiophile or videophile due to some weakness in the build quality. I don’t know how long it will last since some consumers complained about the drive and that it will no longer read the disc after long use. So if you want a player for fun with all functions with less use then go to Sony the last model. But if you’re an audiophile and videophile that go MAGNETAR or Reavon or Pannde or maybe Panasonic for the latest model if you’re a videophile only.
@3:10 At the Dolby Vision menu. Did the manufacturer really misspell the word "Enforce?" Under the Dolby Vision option, Auto, On, Off and ENFORCE ON? Look at the word, it says "Enfore." Really, though?
Having owned Oppo players for as long as I have, this is just an Oppo rebadge or knock off, and the prices are insane for this, my Panasonic UB820 is an amazing player for 1/3rd the price of this
Hi Shane, always enjoy your video's. Do you know if the Reavon 100 has the stretch mode for anamorphic movies. If so , where is the best place here in US to buy. thanks for a reply.
Looking at this because it currently takes at least 3 different players to accomplish what this player does. If it's multi region, I'm retiring at least 2. Thanks for your review.
Hi, does the Reavon X200 show chapter of bluray movie or music nr of CD/SACD ? On the Panasonic 9004 it only shows the time of the file and nothing else which is very very simple.
I missed out on an oppo 203 yrs ago as was impatient for stock and took a Sony ubx800.. now oppos are insane money... I have 2 players hooked up in my den an older reg moded pioneer 450 which plays sacd. Its better at 1080p than the Sony and build quality is great... is the reavon good..?? or Panasonic ub820/9000.. I also want a little screen on the player to show chapters etc.. the Sony doesn't and it winds me up. I have 7.1 setup and a 65inch Panasonic hz2000 master oled.. so want to feed it best pic possible..
Ive checked a few vids for these Reavon 4k players and didn't notice any SET-Time for power off. Does it have options like the Oppo's? help please ... also checking manual but havn't seen yet
Would love to see the review on the UBRX100, half the price as the x200 and should playback a movie just as well. It lacks the SACD etc so if it can keep up with the Panasonic for $800, definitely worth a look
Istill have the oppo 203 and think that is the best 4k player. Does the Reavon x200 play dvd Audio music discs as i have a lot and still want to be able to play them
I got this it's a pain in the butt you only update the player by USB oh you can get hear the disk vibration it does have the best audio I heard so far on a player
@@therealshanelee Hmm. It seems that Dolby Atmos works far better on my PlayStation 5 over my Xbox One S. Also HDMI 2.1 has better dynamic HDR metadata.
Good overview of the player. I have had mine since August. First the zoom does work with discs that allow zoom. Not all discs allow it. It is very handy with old DVDs that will never see the light of day in Blu-ray/4k like True Lies. Second is ISO and BMDV file playback. I saw with a Zappiti representative saying it would violate licensing rights to have a disc player that can also play those formats. I could have swore it was on your channel Shane that I saw that. Never owned a Panasonic, but from everything I have read the Reavon handles external files like MKV and M2TS with newer audio formats better. Picture is far superior to my LG UBK90. The firmware is being updated and could still use some refinement, but overall I am glad with my purchase.
@@therealshanelee The blanket statement of "it will not zoom on discs" is wrong is all. I have never owned an Oppo so I must assume in how their zoom features works is different. On the Reavon the zoom function is obviously limited by what the disc allows. Try a few different discs and you will see that it does indeed work. Older the disc the more likely it will work.
@@therealshanelee Several of my newer discs had problems as well. DVDs worked, Older Blu-rays like The Long Kiss Goodnight worked. Newer stuff was from boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Synapse films. The Beastmaster 4K and Suspiria 4K zoom functions worked. This has more to do with the security settings of the disc than the player.
@@jjchmiel78 so for the folks with lenses who would have relied on this feature to work such as it does on an Oppo it doesn't work. Whatever Oppo did with their software did not take into consideration of this security on those discs I've tried. I'm sure they'd be able to implement it.
I REALLY wish equipment reviews would ALWAYS put the price up front. If it's beyond my means, the review becomes meaningless and watching it a waste of my time. Had to throw a Dislike on this one, Shane.
That's not accurate. The Reavon's circuitry could've definitely been better organized in isolated blocks and chambers, but that doesn't mean it was cheaply made. The circuitry itself is still sufficient, and gets the job done. The player has been mostly praised, for its performance. Cheaply made players are the under $500 variety, which are mostly just flimsy plastic boxes with jumbled low quality circuits.
@@christopherbrown5023 Have a look of the inside pics, I know you want to justify ur purchase but see the generic disc drive inside, looks like a random pickup from a cheap Chinese vendor.
*THE ZOOM FEATURE IS SUPPOSED TO WORK ON CERTAIN DISCS BUT NOT ALL*
Yeah, this is a ridiculous issue, Shane -- I saw in your video that you mentioned the zoom feature wouldn't work with discs at all, and it had me shaking my head. One of the things I loved about my Oppo BDP-83 was its zoom feature, which allowed me to zoom in on non-anamorphic DVDs and get them to their proper aspect ratio; the UDP-203 had this, as did its clone, the Cambridge Audio CXUHD (which I owned and still keep in storage as a backup), but the Panasonics do not...if the Reavons don't support zoom on discs, it's really a WTF moment.
At least you can set the aspect ratio in the setup menu to allow 4:3 DVD content to automatically stretch to fill the screen, like the Oppos did (and the Panasonics do NOT)...
@@scotta6315 I have the x200. Zoom works with the DVDs I have tried and older Blu-rays. Boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome's The Beastmaster 4K and Synapse's Suspiria 4K allowed zoom as well. Email support has reported it is a issue of the disc authoring and whether the studio allows zoom or not. Most of the newer release discs I have do not allow it.
@@jjchmiel78 Thanks for the feedback, jj; it should work with ALL DVDs, but in the past I know some of these zoom features didn't allow manipulation of 1080p Blu-ray (so, for instance, if you wanted to remove the side pillarbox bars of old TV shows on Blu-ray like Star Trek/Twilight Zone, et al, you couldn't blow the image up to remove the black areas...however, my Oppo and Cambridge did let you via zoom).
So yes this is a immensely important issue to me.. I even have the Oppo 103D for Blu and 203 for 4K and the 203 will not zoom Dolby Vision 4k discs. I had a LG CX and was able to use it to zoom 4k dolby vision discs ( I only check 3 or 4).. But my Sony Z9J will not. I am researching now but no reviewers mention this feature on normal reviews.. please mention this to "Brian Tech therapy" as will I. This feature alone is a deal breaker for me.. I didn't buy a 75" TV to get to use it as a 65" on the most premium content.
Ridiculous. The Oppo zoomed everything. I got the X100 and am thinking about sending it back.
I'll stick with my Panasonic ub820 for less than $500 does everything I needed to do has a great picture
@@jaysbakes37 yes it does. I used my PlayStation 3 and 4 for years for blueray. Also have a Sony Blu-ray player. Coming from those to the Panasonic ub420 was an improvement in every visual way. Audio seems to have a slightly lower noise floor and higher dynamic range but the picture sharpness, rendering smoothness, color, contrast black levels, etc are a noticeable improvement and I hate that I dismissed all bluray player playback as being the same. Also the upscaling on the Panasonic is much better as well.
@@jaysbakes37 I meant to say the "audio has a slightly lower noise floor and higher dynamic range"
I've got the 820 also. Love it
I have it as well. Also don't forget the 820 supports Dolby Vision AND HDR10+! I have a new QN90A Samsung TV so that's important to me. This Raevon doesn't have HDR10+ and costs 3x more smh
The Panasonic will NOT play my SACD and DVD-AUDIO discs. Since I'm more of a fanatic about sound quality (rather than picture quality), this is a major shortcoming for me. Cheers.
I’ll still stay with my Panasonic UB 9000 for movie watching
There is no player that will ever be worth no $1700! And this thing doesnt even all the features. You have to be a fool to purchase this player. Seriously
Tell that to the all the people who purchased the 4K Oppo players, for several times this Reavon's price (on the secondary market). I've seen the Oppo UDP-205 sell, for almost $5000 (if not more).
Christopher Brown damn, I sold mine for only $3,600.
@@oppyh LmAo 🤣 I bought my Oppo BDP $600 new
@@christopherbrown5023 the guy who dropped 5k on the oppo is an absolute muppet tool
Way to expensive ,personally at that price it’s going to struggle ,Panasonic all day long for me
I'm fortunate to have a BDP-93, BDP-103D, and UDP-203, all in pristine condition. And in my opinion, the Reavons (rebadged Oppos?) just don't offer enough in the way of cutting-edge innovations to justify spending money "upgrading" to either one of the two models.
Fellow BDP-103D owner. A great player with 3D capability and darbee. Did they ever make a better unit?
You should've called them out for shipping a $1700 player with no HDR10+ support. Seriously? Also they could have DVD-A support like OPPO. Only thing I can't really complain about is a lack of HD DVD support because even Toshiba's Blu-ray players didn't support that.
Some are still paying many times this price, for Oppo players. Those units don't offer HDR10+ support, either. HDR10+ doesn't appear to be a priority [or even important], for consumers willing to pay these price points. Projector owners, most likely.
@@christopherbrown5023 Oppo does have HDR10+ support. Got it ages ago.
I thought the X200 supports DVD-A?
HDR10+ doesn't receive the support from manufacturers to begin with. It's a hit and miss thing. I get it, people are still brainwashed into thinking $3k for a beat up OPPO makes sense and this doesn't, but hey
For this money they should have frame by frame HDR optimzer that Panasonic has. That's one stand out feature and so handy for projector owners
Man that hdr optimizer helped so much with my samsung ultra short throw projector, makes watching hdr content off my shield kinda suck now tho haha
@44krazzy That may not be an issue anymore. Multiple 4K projectors already have their own HDR optimization features. Particularly, models from JVC and Sony.
Agree Chris, but those jvc and sony are at a higher price point, adding that feature in 4K player provides more value as then you can pair it more affordable mainstream PJ like of Epson Benqs, and new crop of USTs
That one feature made me buy the almost 4 year old Panasonic over this player. So happy I made this choice, it is a fantastic feature.
My Panasonic supports both dolby vision AND HDR10+. This one just supports HDR 10 so that's a no go for me.
The Reavons support Dolby Vision as well, I believe...
I’ve owned the X200 for a little more than 3 months and I’m very happy. However I believe it’s overpriced. When needed, support is good, very responsive.
I saw in another review below this guys review the guy said if you go to open the CD tray it takes a few seconds for the tray to open and close and say for example you forgot to close the CD tray and you shut off the power like most CD players that close the tray won't close like when you have a CD player as the power shuts off the CD tray won't close and the guy thought the price of the player was a bit expensive for something that does not open or close right away or doesn't close when the power is shut off. He was doing something and said the player had some glitches and some interference when he was doing something with the player. To me, that is something that should be improved upon with the newer model if they even make a newer model. I found out about this player through a Home Theater sales guy telling him I wanted to buy a High-End Turntable and a CD Recorder to put my Jimi Hendrix Imports to CD because they don't make them anymore and he said there is a site you can go to where you can find that Record and load it to this player and no matter how expensive your Turntable and CD Recorder is the quality will still be better transferring it t this the Universal player. He said this site has music videos you can put to the player too. I forget the name of the site he said it was but I still want to buy this player but I still need to make sure I can get the import Record off this site. otherwise, I will be buying a Turntable and a CD Recorder. I like listening to records but I don't want to wear out the Records is why I want to put them to CD Recording.
"Might be a worthy consideration."? Well, I'm considering my wallet. So, that'll be a no for me dawg. Need to see what Panasonic is offering.
I want them to move away from disks simply because the players are insanely expensive. How much more expensive could small cartridges me? Easy to build into TVs and small streaming devices.
Those with a disk could upgrade for whatever the cartridge cost is. A trade in - you don’t keep both.
@Cruzan9 Panasonic has only been offering the same models, since 2018. There are no new players, from them.
I had a lot of players from oppo, sony and panasonic and to be honest, they all are pretty darn close playing a 4k disc.
Between the manufacturers of players and discs they’re going to kill their own business with the ridiculous prices
Not really. People are still willing to pay way more, for the Oppo players (on the secondary market).
I'm spoiled by my oppo player & I'm going to wait & see if others will release now players with all formats, we have played this game before.
4k movies look great, but this thing is buggy. The zoom feature will work with 4x3 disc only. Miss my Oppo.
I'm good with my Panasonic UB9000!!!! That's crazy money for a 4k player.
Some people are still paying much more, for the Oppo players (on the secondary market).
Based on what it has, and more importantly what it doesn’t, that must be some really expensive batteries it came with.
It is virtually empty inside. Almost hallow.
Cannot replace Oppo for price and universality. Oppo 's most expensive player was around 1400 bucks in Canada on 2017. Too bad did not get it at that time. Still regret it to this day. Will stick to Nvidia Shield for MKV 4k playback. Works every time.
To be honest I think the ub9000 pana is better than the oppo, better upscaling, hdr optimiser and hdr10+ support
How about a Zidoo z9x?
Sadly, the build quality doesn't justify the price tag. But there aren't many choices these days.
Well, it's got the brushed hairline aluminum front panel, but from the inside photos I've seen in the HT forums, it's pretty much an empty box without much "premium" circuitry within. The Panasonic UB9000 is built better than any of these players, save for, perhaps, the UDP-205 or LX500/800, with a serious heft to it and thick, multi-layered metal frames, but I gotta say...after owning one for over a year now (the UB9000), the disc drawer is far from "buttery smooth" as reviews you lead you to believe, as mine has developed a strange, loud "cogging vibration" noise when the drawer slams shut. To be honest, the disc drawer was never silent to begin with out of the box, instead sounding kind of "scratchy" and rough when in movement in/out, but this has gotten progressively worse for us. Disappointing for the $999 asking price, but I suppose this is considered "budget" today, based on what the X200 is going for.... (insert eye roll here, LOL)
I only had so much "Spare Change" I purchased the 100 model it will serve me well! :-)
I too purchased the 100 - customer support was great - mine made a lot of noise when spinning 4K discs. There were some bad units according to Zappiti and they sent a new one and a return label. The new one is quieter but not as quite as my Oppo 203. Ironically after I got my Revon, Oppo support finally replied back to me about my player's freezing on discs over 2hours long. They fixed it for $109. I could have saved $800 but now I have two really great players but the Reavon has one feature no one is talking about so I'll keep it for that reason. Hopefully it won't be removed on a firmware upgrade.
I’ll be sticking with my Panasonic UB9000 and my OPPO 203. I still wish the UB9000 had SACD support, but oh well.
Does anyone else get the feeling makers of Blu Ray players are trying to squeeze as much out of customers by raising prices a lot? Also, top players are selling out fast. Oppos are getting more second hand than when they were new!
Oppo should surprise everyone by reentering the market and offering an Oppo 303 and 305 to compete with this. Imagine what Oppo could do with a player with a listing price of $1800.
I’m good with my Sony UBP-X1100ES.
It’s a very underrated player.
Which one is better? This or the Panasonic UB9000?
Oppo was a great brand at very affordable price with high quality. This one looks like a clone of Oppo but has a premium price tag. I have a separate two channel system. I need a nice Blu ray player to watch 4k movies. $1700 is too high for me. My budget is $1000 or less. Great review.
It's no clone.
Yeah, the true "clone" of the UDP-203, at least, was the Cambridge Audio CXUHD...I'd say the UDP-205 was more akin to the Pioneer LX500, at least aesthetically.
@@scotta6315 I agree, and prices for the CXUHD are ridiculous too. Had I known I would have purchased 10 of each before they were unavailable!
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Well, I wouldn't be one of those people to purchase 10 of these things just to be able to sell them at a higher cost; not really fair to those who were looking for one at the regular price. But you're right -- the CXUHD prices ARE ridiculous on the used market.
@@scotta6315 I definitely wouldn't have gouged people with ridiculous prices, but making a small profit would have been easy and nice. I did buy one 203 and made $250 on it. I actually wish I would have kept it now!
Just like with Samsung, no Dolby Vision support is a deal killer for me.
Shane putting the machine through all the paces. Looks like the Panasonic 9000 is still the reigning high end UHD player King.
I prefer my pioneer UDP-LX500 I only found out recently that the pioneer didn’t sell in the US at the time it was out not sure why
I prefer Oppo UDP-205
@@Tacet137 discontinued. It is a great player but absolutely not worth the $3K + people are selling it for now. Audio is better on the Oppo but Panasonic 9000 has better video IMHO.
@@justchilling4491 that Pioneer player is excellent as well.
@@keepingupwiththejones2933 Recently got my theatre calibrated and he also said 9000 image was better than Oppo.
Hello, thanks for the review. I'm thinking about purchasing this player as a Backup to my Oppo 105 & 203 for hopefully future proof my BD Play Back
Get the cheapest 4k player you can find. Picture quality will be the same as this
avoid reavon i just been thru hell with this brand. the only person that u speak to is a guy named Bill. and he has HUUUGE anger issue. he called me a scammer due to me needing a return. and was not professional at all he also ranting on about amazon and go and buy a cheap 97 dollar player. AVOID THIS BRAND
My Panasonic ub 9004 is the better one.
Nice review! Looks like a decent player, but missing some things for the price that it shouldn’t be. The real question though is, what watch are you wearing lol? I know it’s a Rolex, but hard to tell from the video. From your videos it seems like you have a nice watch collection as well. Thanks for the great content!
Pretty sure it’s an Air King
We had nothing but problems with this player. Sent for repair twice to no avail, I doubt if they Actually did anything to it. Communication was troublesome and very defensive.
For me this brand is not worth considering. Unfortunately they also import Magnetar and so I don't see that as an option.
I still have my oppo 203 I won't part with it.
I have the Oppo 205, and won't ever part with it.
Moral of the story, the f you have an Oppo then keep it, if you don’t then brands like this are a great option.
Have Oppo modification for universal play. Also Pana 820 . Both play with JVC 2000. Interesting but I don’t need
Not for that kind of money. I'm cheap, so I'll stick with my Sony player.
Had the sony ubp ×700 for a year now im definitely fine with it for at least 8 years to come but was still cool to watch.
trust me, its not going to last that long
Those Audioquests... 😁
Not even THX certified
So it’s basically an oppo 205 just missing the HDMI in port I sold my Oppo 203 that I bought from the factory it was a return I paid $460 the person who bought it didn’t like it absolute perfect condition. I had it for three years put it on eBay and sold it for almost $1100 and bought the Panasonic 820 because it had the HDR optimizer soon as I pulled it out of the box and picked it up I regretted selling my Oppo for $500 it felt cheap plastic no backlit Remote I’m not a big fan of the menu but it is what it is but this will replay your featuring it’s very expensive like Panasonic‘s high-end Blu-ray player looks nice but for that price no thanks like I said I regret selling my Oppo Even though we didn’t have the HD or optimizer the bill quality was second to none
Not exactly like an Oppo 205. This Reavon player is about 7 lbs. lighter, doesn't use isolated blocks for the analog/digital circuitry, has fewer connectivity options (including the "HDMI IN" you mentioned), doesn't have the ESS Sabre DACs, and it's missing various other things the Oppo 205 also had.
I admire what Reavon tried to do with the X200, but it still doesn't come anywhere close to the Oppo 205.
@@christopherbrown5023 it seems like it’s missing quite a few things over the 205 and wasn’t a 205 cheaper? I miss Oppo And I also miss Pioneer he made the best plasma TVs who knows what they would’ve done if they were still in the TV game
@@romcapprotti7477 Yes, the Oppo 205 was less expensive and originally sold for $1299.
I miss Pioneer, too. They sold their A/V division, to Onkyo.
@@christopherbrown5023 I still have a pioneer plasma a 150 elite and sold my 600 M and finally went OLED
@@romcapprotti7477 I still have my Pioneer LaserDisc player, from 1997. I took good care of it, and it still works.
My movie collection is on a 5TB hard drive so the unit not playing some file formats and that price kills this one.
Shane. I would ask that you and your fellow influencers try to get venders to end smart apps on A/V products. It has become tedious and problematic. A display or projector should dedicate all its processing power to display. A player should dedicate all its processing power to playing. And a streaming box should do the same. These devices should still support Wi-Fi connection for firmware updates and web UI, but fickle third party support apps need to go. A/V separates all the way. Thanks. Like you vids. Press on.
You can get Sony wi5out the apps. Call the store to inquire if you want to go with Sony.
Your next player? No probably not
But it seems to lac aac and alac playback a real deal breaker, does look good though
1,699.00 bucks for this Universal 4k player that's pretty expensive only for those that have a high end home theater system and setup would get soemthing like this I'll stick with my LG 4k region free player it's good enough for me
I have the LG UBK90 and was in use for 3 years before I bought the Reavon X200. The picture quality of the Reavon is much better. Not 6 times better but does have other features including the ability to be region free.
Er. Dolby TrueHD is NOT the same as Dolby Atmos. Those are two different digital audio encoding systems.
What are you referring too?
I am pretty sure this does not support hdr10+ I own a couple of 4K discs and it is one of the reason I brought the ub9000 over this, but your description says it does???
I don't have a display to test it but was told that it does support it.
@@therealshanelee Okay sadly your source is incorrect, The player does not support 10+ Reviewers say that they mark it down for not supporting it, and the official product page and spec sheets do not show that is supports 10+ So it may be worth taking it off the description and review, a quick google search shall show this :) i do not want people being mislead in to buying a £1200 player to find out it does not do what they want is all.
@@Noble3781 there has been several updates recently. I’ve been told by Reavon that it should be working.
@@therealshanelee okay that is good to hear, it is odd that they did not update it on there page or there is no mention of it anywhere online
I will hang onto my 203 for now....
I love the UB9000, great UHD/Bluray player.
How does this compare to Oppo? I just did a full shootout with a 103D Oppo and Panasonic UB9000 and the Oppo won by a landslide
Shane: Reavon informed me they have fixed freezing issues with UHD 100GB discs. Hopefully this resolves any discs getting "Stuck" like you mentioned. Question, the discs that got stuck or froze, were they Blu-ray or 4K BD?
Does MKV file work if it has Dolby Vision? Any firmware updates fix it?
no but you'll get a guy named bill just to yell at u and call u a scammer read my post
You said this player only plays back M2TS dolby vision files in HDR10 could this be that it doesn't detect the flag so you can force it on?
My Pioneer BDP LX-88 was awesome but it was more than once on repair so it had to go...i loved the network features of the pio playing hi res Audio MKV movie files over LAN.
I purchased an Panasonic DP-UB9004
Its not what i wanted and expected network and mediaplayer wise it sucks so much!
But the picture and sound qualitiy is awesome also the upscaling of normal blurays is awesome...it was a hard descision but i kept it. Using it together with the Shield TV pro.
If Oppo would still be on the market i would propably have chosen an oppo but after
the problems with my pioneer i wanted a device with manufacturer support. The Reavon was also interesting but way overpriced in my oppinion and look whats inside the player for me thats a no go forcthis hi price! and it also can not reach the Pana in sound and picture quality.
Shield TV Pro as mediaplayer and Panasonic UB DP 9004 as hi end Bluray Player works good for me at the moment... the problem is there are not much alternatives anymore on the market and it looks to get even less in the future...
Hei. I also have The Panasonic 9000. What do you mean about upscaling normal Blu-ray? Does that mean you transfer normal 1080p up to 4k? What settings do you have to have on than, 4K all The time? :-)
@@havarskarkerud6104 Hi... i have an 4K 55" Panasonic Oled TV. In my Bluray collection i have for example more normal "HD" Blurays than 4k UHD Blurays. The panasonic does an awesome job upscaling them to 4k.
The picture is even better than the pioneer bdp lx 88 wich also is an flagship (std.) Bluray player.
So the UB DP 9004 has really good upscaling capabilities from 1080P to UHD thats what i meant.
But the network port on this player is almost useless because the built in Streaming Apps suck and the usb/network mediaplayer is also garbage not because of the picrure quality but because of the compatibility ...most audi and video formats wont play on this device... even my panasonic TV built in Mediaplayer plays more formats than the one of the UB DP 9000.
Yes output setting is set to 4k all the time. You can set "Oled Tv" as output preset in the player menu .
it's £1499 in the UK.
I bought my Panasonic UB-700 for £100.
How’s playback on this thing? I bought a Sony smart Blu Ray player in 2019 but I noticed random frame skips that made certain words sound incomplete! At one point in The Secret Life of Pets, I heard Ma when I should’ve heard Max, for example, and when watching Onward, I heard “Step out of vehicle” when I should’ve heard “Step out of the vehicle”, either it’s just a faulty player or Sony have lowered their standards! Shame, they made so much good tech in the past!
I got the original Sony X800 when I got my first 4k HDR TV, and I upgraded to the X800m2 that supports Dolby Vision. They also play all disk types and look awesome for 300 or less when new. Don't know if they still sell them but I'll stick with mine till it dies. I've had some sort of universal player since Pioneer released their first one and I have enough SACD and DVD audio disks to make it worth having one. Too bad almost nobody makes a reasonably priced multi format player or the audio disks anymore.
I'm with you, I got the X800M2 and for the price it's hard to beat. Only annoying thing is switching Dolby Vision manually.
@@naderzein2435 That is the one annoying thing about it but it sure has beautiful playback and upscales 1080p nicely too, very clean video quality.
I understand the position of each one .. And at the same time I also have my sony 800M2 and I agree on several aspects with all of you. But if we make an analogy in this regard, it is like when you have your Asian brand vehicle and then you think about replacing it with a European vehicle! Or American, knowing that you have the same doors, features and wheels as the vehicles made in Asia. But still you want to replace said vehicle either on a whim, for updating, for style or satisfaction .. If you are a lover in this case of vehicles after all, you will. And I say it with all due respect.
@@digitalclonaid8195 yeah I get what you mean updating to the "latest and greatest" is always fun. Just saying in my personal situation I'm happy with my player and this new player doesn't have enough incentives for myself to spend the money to upgrade.
Sony players have some negative issues since it’s going to freezes during playback of 4K Ultra UHD disc, and the build materials are not sort like high-end, and also some sellers are cheating by saying it’s a free region, and after buying it will not be a free region anymore especially if you’re going to update the firmware. It’s only good for the price if you want something in the living room for less use for fun. and it’s not an audiophile or videophile due to some weakness in the build quality. I don’t know how long it will last since some consumers complained about the drive and that it will no longer read the disc after long use. So if you want a player for fun with all functions with less use then go to Sony the last model. But if you’re an audiophile and videophile that go MAGNETAR or Reavon or Pannde or maybe Panasonic for the latest model if you’re a videophile only.
What's about auro 3d? Just do Bitstream and let the avr processor do the job?
Yes. There's nothing special required, from the player for Auro3D. All 4K disc players will output those bitstreams, to compatible AVRs or processors.
@3:10 At the Dolby Vision menu. Did the manufacturer really misspell the word "Enforce?" Under the Dolby Vision option, Auto, On, Off and ENFORCE ON? Look at the word, it says "Enfore." Really, though?
Having owned Oppo players for as long as I have, this is just an Oppo rebadge or knock off, and the prices are insane for this, my Panasonic UB820 is an amazing player for 1/3rd the price of this
Can you contact it straight to a power amp ?
Oh damn, that UI looks like something from Windows 95! Oh my God, that's awful! The whole thing reminds me of a mid 1980s CD player. Oh dear.
Hi Shane, always enjoy your video's. Do you know if the Reavon 100 has the stretch mode for anamorphic movies. If so , where is the best place here in US to buy. thanks for a reply.
Does this player detect HDR10 and/or Dolby Vision playback automatically? I have a Sony player that does not and it is frustrating.
Looking at this because it currently takes at least 3 different players to accomplish what this player does. If it's multi region, I'm retiring at least 2. Thanks for your review.
Hi, does the Reavon X200 show chapter of bluray movie or music nr of CD/SACD ? On the Panasonic 9004 it only shows the time of the file and nothing else which is very very simple.
Love how you review stuff others haven’t!
This isn't the first review, for the Reavon. Sound & Vision magazine had already published a full review.
I missed out on an oppo 203 yrs ago as was impatient for stock and took a Sony ubx800.. now oppos are insane money... I have 2 players hooked up in my den an older reg moded pioneer 450 which plays sacd. Its better at 1080p than the Sony and build quality is great... is the reavon good..?? or Panasonic ub820/9000.. I also want a little screen on the player to show chapters etc.. the Sony doesn't and it winds me up.
I have 7.1 setup and a 65inch Panasonic hz2000 master oled.. so want to feed it best pic possible..
I was interested…..until I heard the price. I simply don’t see enough here to justify spending that much more than I paid for my Panny..
Ive checked a few vids for these Reavon 4k players and didn't notice any SET-Time for power off. Does it have options like the Oppo's? help please ... also checking manual but havn't seen yet
Would love to see the review on the UBRX100, half the price as the x200 and should playback a movie just as well. It lacks the SACD etc so if it can keep up with the Panasonic for $800, definitely worth a look
Does the x100 play dvd audio discs as i know it lacks sacd but am not to worried about that as i only own a few SACDs
@@garymclure1 I am pretty sure it does but can't confirm. Check out the website.
My Oppo 203 will lie until it dies. After that, I'll probably never afford a premium player again.
$1,699.00 for a 4K player in 2021? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Waaaaaaaaaaay over priced!!!!!
Did you try to "Bless" that BDMV as AVCHD with that Oppo-203 piece of software?
Istill have the oppo 203 and think that is the best 4k player. Does the Reavon x200 play dvd Audio music discs as i have a lot and still want to be able to play them
Thanks again for the review
I have an Oppo 103D and an Oppo 203 and the Reavon is, IMO, an Oppo under a different name.
Hi there very good review. Would you mind sharing if the unit plays mov. Files ?
I want to be able to play discs from every region. These features look great but..
Please review Final Fantasy The Spirits Within 4k.
Love the channel.
Would never buy any Eu home theater products, way over priced
What is the best region free player that supports 4k bluray, 3D, Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos? I value your opinion!
I got this it's a pain in the butt you only update the player by USB oh you can get hear the disk vibration it does have the best audio I heard so far on a player
Great review thanks
They used almost the exact same model name as Sony UBP X700 lol
Do you have any inside info on any new 4K blu-ray players from the more popular companies? Also any with support for HDMI 2.1?
HDMI 2.1 is pointless for a 4K disc player. If it was an 8k disc player then it would matter.
@@therealshanelee I'm basing it on lose less sound.
Doesn’t matter.
@@therealshanelee Hmm. It seems that Dolby Atmos works far better on my PlayStation 5 over my Xbox One S. Also HDMI 2.1 has better dynamic HDR metadata.
We also get a Technicolor Dynamic HDR format with HDMI 2.1.
are there any players on the market that play 4k HDR folder back ups besides the oppo?
It’s so pricy - will wait for something similar around $600
Reavon also offers the UBR-X100, for $799. It's a transport model only (no analog outputs).
@@christopherbrown5023 I’ll wait for it to go on sale
@@MrPreet23 Which it won't
@@PeteNice29 that’s fine
What happened to the Pioneer UDP-LX500? It got rave reviews but I can't seem to find it.
It’s been discontinued, sadly.
If I only plan to use this for 4k Blu-ray and Blu-ray movie watching, is the picture quality that much better than the Panasonic DP-UB820 ?
No
Your next player? No thank you.
Good overview of the player. I have had mine since August. First the zoom does work with discs that allow zoom. Not all discs allow it. It is very handy with old DVDs that will never see the light of day in Blu-ray/4k like True Lies. Second is ISO and BMDV file playback. I saw with a Zappiti representative saying it would violate licensing rights to have a disc player that can also play those formats. I could have swore it was on your channel Shane that I saw that. Never owned a Panasonic, but from everything I have read the Reavon handles external files like MKV and M2TS with newer audio formats better. Picture is far superior to my LG UBK90. The firmware is being updated and could still use some refinement, but overall I am glad with my purchase.
I’ve never had an issue with Oppo not zooming. They had a dedicated 21:9 mode just for it. I even made a video about it some years back.
@@therealshanelee The blanket statement of "it will not zoom on discs" is wrong is all. I have never owned an Oppo so I must assume in how their zoom features works is different. On the Reavon the zoom function is obviously limited by what the disc allows. Try a few different discs and you will see that it does indeed work. Older the disc the more likely it will work.
@@jjchmiel78 I've tried with a handful of discs with no luck. Give me a recent disc that it works on and will try it if I own it and update the post.
@@therealshanelee Several of my newer discs had problems as well. DVDs worked, Older Blu-rays like The Long Kiss Goodnight worked. Newer stuff was from boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Synapse films. The Beastmaster 4K and Suspiria 4K zoom functions worked. This has more to do with the security settings of the disc than the player.
@@jjchmiel78 so for the folks with lenses who would have relied on this feature to work such as it does on an Oppo it doesn't work. Whatever Oppo did with their software did not take into consideration of this security on those discs I've tried. I'm sure they'd be able to implement it.
I REALLY wish equipment reviews would ALWAYS put the price up front. If it's beyond my means, the review becomes meaningless and watching it a waste of my time.
Had to throw a Dislike on this one, Shane.
Those look a lot like the pioneer menus.
Replacement for the 205 ... more like the 203 excluding the xlr outputs
Reavon is not claiming their player is a replacement, for the Oppo 205. Other people are making that odd statement, on their own.
@@christopherbrown5023 personally I don’t think it comes close to the 203
ive just purchased one of these and the screen keeps on loosing its signal. any ideas? thanks
Sounds like a bad cable
@@therealshanelee thanks Shane. it ended up not being on the correct resolution for my laser projector. took me nearly all night to figure it out.
But is it a region free player? That’s a dealbreaker.
You can change the region an infinite number of times. It’s the unspoken secret of the Reavon players.
I will keep my Oppo...
See this player internals compare to the Oppo 203/CXUHD online, u will get shocked, looks so cheaply made inside, only outside is built well lol.
You are correct.
That's not accurate. The Reavon's circuitry could've definitely been better organized in isolated blocks and chambers, but that doesn't mean it was cheaply made. The circuitry itself is still sufficient, and gets the job done. The player has been mostly praised, for its performance.
Cheaply made players are the under $500 variety, which are mostly just flimsy plastic boxes with jumbled low quality circuits.
@@christopherbrown5023 Have a look of the inside pics, I know you want to justify ur purchase but see the generic disc drive inside, looks like a random pickup from a cheap Chinese vendor.