Look at us all. 20 years lager and we're still talking about it. Can there be any doubt Kwan was a titan of the sport. Right there with Henji, Button, and the Protopopovs. This program is my favorite Kwan. The music edit and that ice blue velvet(?) - I guess Lori Nichol choreo - Michelle's joy. Wow!!
It killed me when Michelle didn't win the gold medal. I was heartbroken and cried for weeks. It is a program I'll never forget. Michelle is and always will be The Queen!!
@@NoName-ge6wc I liked Tara too, but to say she was greatest female figure skater of all time is really stretching it a bit far. I thought they both skated beautifully in these Olympics. I would have given Michelle the edge artistic, and Tara technically.
this program is the ultimate in beauty and grace... Michelle has given the sport so many beautiful programs... it was never just about the jumps with her, it was about how beautiful she could make the experience for the audience... skating has never had anyone who could make you cry because the skating was just so incredibly lovely... Michelle is a once in a lifetime skater, and it will be a long time before we have someone like her again... she may not have won the gold, but the silver she got was worth a million times more than that... it gave us the joy of enjoying her for many more years... long after others had taken the money and run, we still had the beauty of Michelle- and that is worth more than a thousand gold medals...
Indeed, this is the Japanese tv transmission. International tv transmission showed other angles, even the audio was different, I remember the sound of those running edges and the landings
The flutzing is obvious from these angles and that 3Lo was a real squeaker. It actually makes the end result make more sense, to me, and I kinda agree with it.
Had artistry not been basicly removed as a main scoring element thanks to that mechanical terrible Canadian couple demanding to win although they were awful, Michelle easily would have gotten the gold, lipinski had zilch artistry and shouldn't have won.
@@aspenrobinson8797 she had WAY MORE ARTISTRY than Tara lipinski. Tara DID NOT DESERVE THE GOLD , MICHELLE WAS THE GOLD WINNER . Tara looked like ...the wiry kid from gym class that can put themselves in a pretzel and who cares...plus, she was too young or hadn't lived enough to even UNDERSTAND the WORD artistry. TEAM MUCHELLE QUAN FOREVER
@@lindaclark9925 just to not confuse things, the scoring system was changed in 2004, after that incident of the Salt Lake City Olympics in 2002, where Salé/Pelletier had that kids tantrum and achieved a fake gold shared medal. This all happened after Nagano 1998, where Tara Lipinski won over Michelle Kwan. The 6.0 system was even worst than the one we have now, it was more easy to place skaters as they decide, and the artistic was rarely rewarded properly. You can perfectly see it in this concrete case, while I still think they placed correctly, as Tara jumps content was much bigger, it is unfair that they scored Michelle only with 5.9 in the artistic score and then gave Tara 5.8 and 5.9. That is infamous and didn't reflect the big gap in they artistic skills and choreo.
it's one of the most beautiful and creatives programs we have seen at the olympics, same as her short program. But in my opinion, as it is a sport and the gap in technical content was big, it was "fair" in terms of competition. In terms of life, skating career...then I don't think so. But sport it is like this, specially Olympics, which is so unpredictable. Obviously, Michelle transcended in a way that, as you say, we still watch her.
4:11 was when you start crying and crying and that’s when I thought no one can best this performance. But then again she was robbed. Look at her cry in the end. All the hard work she kept on Going.
This is looking from a new camera angle. That triple flip didn’t look that bad from this angle. I still think Michelle was the better skate of the night.
I remember feeling so sad for her when she didn't win the gold I thought her performance was so much better than Tara liskeinsky's maybe she didn't have all the jumps but it was so much more elegant and so much nicer to watch I love that little outfit that she's wearing so pretty simple but elegant I read somewhere that she just had a baby daughter God bless her may she have no regrets bye
I bet she wishes she had this program back - it’s slow and cautious compared to Nationals. She’s still far and away my fave; I haven’t even followed skating since she left the sport. ❤️MK❤️
Yes, Michelle was SO much better than Tara, she had a natural elegance, not just technique... She was so much better, that she became a legend anyway. Lyra Angelica had such an impact... I was just 18 watching live, and I thought "I can't even imagine anything best". Moving, beautiful, sentimental, elegant: such a perfection in every moment, in every part of the music. Pure poetry. I really saw true Art that night. Thank you Michelle, it's a real gift you made us. 22 years later, we can still feel our hearts in it. ♥️
Her second combo is such a throw away. It’s the Olympics and she’s doing a bunny hop between a triple and a double. She took out a triple/triple for that. 5.7’s for tech merit was a gift.
I'm still bitter about this. Fact of the matter is this competition was determined by skating order more than anything because both Michelle and Tara skated well. However, had Michelle skated after Tara, the majority if not all of the 5.9s for presentation would have been 6.0s and she would have won.
I agree with this. She had a more mature appearance on the ice than Tara Lipinski and I preferred her programme. Had Lipinski not won here we may have seen her compete in Salt Lake City, when Kwan was past her peak.
Yes. I think her presentation was superior to Lapinski, but Lapinski skated a technically more difficult program, which gave her the edge even without the tie breaking artistic mark coming into play.
I'm still.pissed too. Lipinski and her 3L/3L certainly deserved higher technical scores but she skated like a little girl. Her 2nd mark should've been 2-3 tenths lower. Also agree about skate order influencing things to Michelle's detriment. She deserved the gold
@@TT-ee4qp They should lift all age restrictions! If a prepubescent 12-13 year old girl can skate better than a 16-17 year old so be it. The same with women gymnastics. Tara was out there having fun, while Michelle was trying to win a gold medal.
Imagine the pressure she was under here!!! However, she skated a clean program! As a crushed MK fan it took me a long time to rewatch this program. However, it wasn't nearly as bad as I'd thought it had been! I think it would be rather difficult to skate 'free' under such pressure but she did a fantastic job!! I'll always love MK! ❤
Sasha Cohen was the one who moved me with her skating, even though she always messed up and could never put down a clean program she will always be one of the best in the world to me . 🤗
I watched skating in those year's it seemed she ever was in theeeee most pressure inducing placements ....AND STILL DID IT AND DID IT THE BEST MICHELLE... THE WORLD IS EVIL AND YOU MY DEAR WERE EVER EUPHEREAL ; GOD LOVES YOU 🙋
If you remember from the US Nationals she was recovering from a stress fracture. That's why the triple loop- half loop - double toe loop replaced the triple toe loop combo.
How many people actively seek out this and other videos of Michelle Kwan's programs because they transcend us vs. how many look for Lipinski's? And this is why Kwan is the greatest skater of living memory.
This was beatufuilly skated! Not tight at all as my memory ticked me into believing. So simple yet so sophisticated. Had she skated later in the gourd she would have won!
@@ft-je3rs History has proved she was the best . Tara disappeared after that. Michelle a five-time World champion (1996, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003) and a nine-time U.S. champion (1996, 1998-2005). She is tied with Maribel Vinson for the all-time National Championship record.
I disagree with Tara’s win here. She tried more difficult jump combos for sure, but in the old judging system, the artistic mark that should have balanced both programs was used as a cop-out. There’s no way Tara’s artistic marks should have rivaled Michelle’s. You can give technical kudos to Tara here, but artistic should have been Michelle’s, in which case, the deciding factor should have been the results of the short program. That all being said, 20+ years later, Michelle showed that she had determination and longevity to push through and cement herself as an icon in the sport. Tara was a one-hit wonder by comparison. The way Michelle handled herself in the face of defeat beyond her control really made her one of the world’s most recognizable faces and role models of figure skating. One could argue that her career wouldn’t have lasted the test of time had she won here, so though unfair, I think it was a blessing in disguise.
Michelle Kwan was robbed! She should've won the gold metal. Tara's performance was good, too, but I though Michelle gave more of a mature, graceful performance.
Give Kwan credit. She skated her heart out, and I disagree on her being timid, and she wasn't a chicken, either. Lipinski did perform quite well, too, but I still think the gold should've gone to Kwan.
Kwan earned every medal she won. The judges never propped her up. She would have brought more pride and presence to the Olympic Gold Medal Club than any of the other women who won the gold instead of her. I doubt we'll ever see another skater with as long and illustrious career as she had.
M.K.s spectacular career and legacy has become bigger than the Olympics. OG has forever lost its magic and luster without her name on it. She never needed it, it needed her .
I'm a big Michelle fan. I used to think she was robbed of the gold here. But then I had rewatched Tara's program years later and I felt Tara's program was technically much harder than Michelle's so perhaps she deserved to win. Then I watched this again and I feel Michelle should have won simply because in the 6.0 days, artistic mark is the tie breaker and I firmly believe Tara didn't deserve the 5.9s she gotten as her artistry wasn't there. Technically, she was definitely above Michelle. But her artistry wasn't. Hence at the end of the day, Michelle should have won the gold.
No, because if you invest a lot of time trying this spin, you will eventually be able to do it. While you can spend your whole life training figure skating and never achieve a triple-triple. I agree that I see that spin, and it's wonderful, artistic and creative, and difficult, but not to loose sight, jumps are much difficult
Panchino Maldonado Mountain Lover clearly needs more than our help. Kwan is and will always be the People’s Champion. Her legacy transcends and dwarfs all of her contemporaries. And she continues to inspire and evolve. Some people are just so bitter and dead inside they can’t possibly be touched by her genius. And those of us that can, we are the lucky ones. And the majority.
THis will forever be heartnreaking to me. Sure Tara was a show pony, and hit all her marks, but with Michelle there was an elegance that cannot be taught. She was a natutal talent, and it still breaks my heart she never won gold.
She may not have won the gold, but she was an artist on ice! I still watch her Salt Lake city 2002 gala performance (fields of gold) frequently. She was so classy, elegant and She will never be forgotten.
FnA, I think the judges lowballed her because they didn't wanna lose her. If Michelle won the gold here, she more than likely would have retired. All in all it all worked out in the end, she became the most decorated skater in the history of the sport. The aG.O.A T.
@@theprinceoftides6836 her technique was horrible, even though Im not a skater technique its very obvious that her lutz its a flutz and she has never done a triple triple combo...
I felt like history repeated itself during Sochi. High Technical elements wins over Artistry/presentation with 1 slight off balance from Michelle's Triple Flip and Yu Na Kim's Triple Lutz.
That was perfect performance. Still after all these years this is what god made a mistake on. Michelle kwan won the gold here. She was better than Tara way better.
In retrospect, she had better skating skills, choreography and overall technique than Tara. Tara had a major flutz--her "lutz" was not on the outside edge at all--and her second 3loop on the 3-3 is borderline at best. Her 3-seq-3 combo was a little shaky as well. And Tara never should have seen a 5.9 on the second mark.
I'm a huge Michelle Kwan fan. I was rooting for her to win the gold, but Tara out skated Michelle this night. Michelle did all 6 triples, and her artistry was superb, but she skated tentatively. Tara did two triple/triple combinations, and skated fearlessly. Tara deserved the gold medal.
MezzoSeren For years I was disappointed Michelle didn't win gold. I used to think she was robbed, but now I believe Tara beat her. Tara's jumps were sketchy, but I think the judges rewarded her for attempting the 3/3 combos. Todays judging may have caught the Under rotated jumps and flutz, but this was 20 years ago. It still breaks my heart that Michelle Kwan doesn't have an Olympic gold medal, because I think she's the greatest of all time and my all-time favorite figure skater.
Chip: I agree. Tara was clearly the deserved winner. There wasn't enough distance between Kwan and Lipinski artistically that Kwan could afford to pull back technically and yet, that's exactly what she did, expecting her reputation and art to pull her through, which didn't work. What's interesting is that Kim Yuna went into the 2014 Olympics with only 6 triples, as well. I remember thinking she was crazy to do that. Although a superior skater to Sotnikova, I feel like Kim put all her eggs in the artistic basket, too. I always say Kim lost the gold by one jump and Michelle lost by one rotation. If Michelle had done a triple-triple instead of a triple-double, I think the judges would have given her the nod, even though I still feel Tara was better overall. Funny too, how this same scenario played out in the 2018 games. I predicted a Lipinski type upset because there wasn't enough distance between Medvedeva and Zagitova artistically that Medvedeva could afford to pull back technically, and she did. The rest is history.
@@L1623VP michelle and tara were not close whatsoever in artistry. The reason michelle lost was because she skated first. They held marks. But that 5.7 was not deserved.
This was for sure the best skate of that night. Judges robbed the gold from Michelle. Olympics will regret this for all time. The best skater never got that well deserved gold. We all know by now that Tara Lipinski's Lutz isn't on the right edge. We all know and see and feel that the presentatyion of Michelle's program is way better than Tara's. How come those 5 judges didn't see it???
What you are saying is correct. But Tara's speed and completeness with her movements . . . including her improved artistry as well as her higher technical difficultly and skating her program later is what sealed it all. In retrospect, Michelle's jumps were better technically as well as her moves, but Tara's speed and eye popping Triple/Triple made it go her way. Another day and a different performance from each and it may have gone differently.
@@TT-ee4qp Wrong! In this performance Tara didn't just jump and run. Her artistry was improved and she was in sync with the music. Her presentation matched Kwan in THIS competition and that is PART of the reason why she won!
@@TT-ee4qp In this competition, Tara's artistic quality was superior. There is no point in talking about if she didn't have a certain aspect because she had it all and enough to win that night! So take your opinions and shove it!!😤😫😡
Michelle’s technical difficulty stayed largely the same over the years. Tara was a former US and World Champ who threw a 3L-3L combo in the LP of Nagano - still a combo so difficult it is rarely performed. Plus - a 3S Euler 3T combo STILL used. Tara was artistic and a technical master. All but two judges put her first-Tara deserved Gold in 98 and Michelle should’ve incorporated 3-3 combos after that and she didn’t. It left her vulnerable-and it ultimately cost her.
Lyra Angelica lacks the drama an Olympic program should have. Michelle did not need to extend herself artistically. Had she skated something more difficult like Taj Mahal she would have blown Tara out of the water in the LP&won the gold.
fixing and overscoring and political judging can and most probably will occur under any scoring system in which the sport is "judged". Especially if there is an artistic component. Like in hockey you can see if the ball/puck went in the goal and swimming a stopwatch tells you who hit the boards first. But it's the judge's discretion to allow/disallow and grade elements- be they out of 6 or -3/+3 and even more leeway is given when the sport adds components scores. It happened here, it happened in Salt Lake City, it happened in Sochi and its happened in lot of more minor competitions- be they under the old or new system. It's very political and the nature of the sport allows for it.
I have never ice skated in my life, but have always been a passionate figure skating fan and never miss it on tv. Always loved Kwan and Lapinski and was so taken with excitement of Olympics. When Michelle skated I thought she had it in the bag, but then when Tara skated my immediate thought was that she would win Gold. In my opinion, Tara simply out-skated her that night....plus the sheer joy on Tara’s face through her entire performance, I believe, helped her scores. Regardless, both women are iconic in US figure skating and we were blessed to have them.
tara should've finished 2nd. Especially by the new system, since she underrotated 2 jumps. I think tara is a good actress. that run she did at the end gave her the extra edge in my opinion. Also, had they skated in the order they skated to at nationals, I dont think you would have seen 5.7 for michelle. I think they would've given a few 6.0s also. Placement was everything back then. Under the new system, michelle would've beaten tara easily.
the triple flip was the downfall for her in both Olympics. her triple flip here she landed shaky. had she landed perfectly she might have won the gold here. had she landed the triple flip perfectly in 2002 Olympics, she would have won the gold for sure.
This was a beautiful program but Michelle thought the gold was hers before she even got to Nagano. Her marks were inflated at the US Nationals and she expected the same here. She was inflated in the short program, Tara won that too. Her dad told her that all she had to do was stay standing and the gold was hers. She didn't think that she had to improve technically. She skated an easier program and did so cautiously. She won a Silver medal and didn't earn anything more than that on that night. Sorry folks, that is the truth. An Olympic silver medal is something to be very proud of but when people keep telling you, the gold, im sure it was difficult to digest.
It was very much the same with Patrick Chan in the 2014 Olympics. He was so outrageously over-scored throughout his skating career, that he felt all he needed to do was show up at competitions to earn the gold. Sadly, he was right most of the time. The worst example was the 2013 World Championships before the 2014 Olympics, where Chan fell three times in the long program and STILL won in a judging decision that's highly controversial, even today. The problem is that Chan believed his own press and all the people around him who said "yes" to everything, about how "fabulous" he was and that his artistry was more than enough. So, he never pushed himself to be any better technically because he'd become so used to winning with highly flawed programs for years. He didn't have to work any harder, so he didn't. I'd never seen him skate two clean programs back-to-back. Of course, his artistry wasn't enough at the Sochi Games when his technique fell apart so disastrously that even the judges couldn't hold him up with inflated marks anymore. Even so, he ended up with a silver medal that should have been a bronze. When judges consistently over-score skaters, they don't do them any favors because it gives them a false sense of security that future victories are assured based solely on their reputations, and that there is no real need to improve their skills, even while there are younger and more athletic skaters coming up behind them...as was the case with Chan. Now, he can't even begin to compete technically against skaters like Yuzuru Hanyu, Shoma Uno and Nathan Chen, and has been quickly left behind.
Well definitely I agree Chan had that bad attitude that he could show up and win and didn't learn to compete strongly. But Chan did have better skating skills than everyone, I think most in the skating world would agree but he is now challenging himself on jumps too but it might be too late. But Dennis Tan should have won 2013 worlds, that was so screwed up. And Patrick in that interview after didn't even say I could have done better, his attitude was too arrogant and it kept him down really. Yuzuru challenged himself, quad loop, Patrick has a quad salchow but Patrick jus tcant compete. Best skater in artistry and skill but he is not a good competitor. needs sports psychologist
I know nothing about skating, but I just watched the two performances back to back, and I really enjoyed Michelle much more. Her jumps were higher, and she just seemed more graceful.
All of us thought she had it in the bag. I really won’t blame her if she hates Tara for the rest of her life. But what happened at 6:46? Could that be the reason she lost?
a beautiful skate from michelle. but the thing that i admire so much about tara's skate…she had a long wait…her greatest rival skated way before her…and after nationals michelle got perfect sixes and tara had that trouble in the short program. so for tara to come out…skate with so much speed…that triple loop triple loop combination…she was clearly the winner. and this whole flutzing thing is just bullshit. skaters have been doing that for years. tara, in my book, deserved the gold medal.
I will always wonder what was going through her mind in kiss n cry. Why was she emotional. Was it elation that she skated so well... or was it that she knew she skated cautiously/had a slight check on that 3flip and thought she'd be penalized for that? I notice Frank was trying to console her... so maybe the later? But she looked so happy after that 2nd Lutz. I'm so confused. lol
I still cannot believe this did not received a gold medal This gold performance is perfection on all its course and you can’t even compare it to that robotic lame performance by Tara lipinski. Kwan was robbed
![[HD] Tara Lipinski - The Rainbow - 1998 Nagano Olympics - FS タラ・リピンスキー Тара Липински](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mRHzAt2fwqs/mqdefault.jpg)
![[HD] Tara Lipinski - The Rainbow - 1998 Nagano Olympics - FS タラ・リピンスキー Тара Липински](/img/tr.png)
![[4K60P] Michelle Kwan 2002 SLC SP - Piano Concerto No. 3 by Rachmaninoff](/img/n.gif)
This is the absolute gold performance of any Olympics I’ve ever watched. Just breathtaking
What a beautiful, simple costume!
Just lovely!
Classy
It's perfection
Yes. Simple costumes tend to work more in figure skating imo.
Look at us all. 20 years lager and we're still talking about it. Can there be any doubt Kwan was a titan of the sport. Right there with Henji, Button, and the Protopopovs. This program is my favorite Kwan. The music edit and that ice blue velvet(?) - I guess Lori Nichol choreo - Michelle's joy. Wow!!
My favorite was the "East of Eden" program, but this program is also magnificent.
This skating era is gone for good, sadly.
@@dmmchugh3714 Yes this age is finally gone! They're taking it to the next level!
Yes totally modern. In fact artistically more sophisticated than the past three Olympic champions for sure!
It killed me when Michelle didn't win the gold medal. I was heartbroken and cried for weeks. It is a program I'll never forget. Michelle is and always will be The Queen!!
@@NoName-ge6wc I liked Tara too, but to say she was greatest female figure skater of all time is really stretching it a bit far. I thought they both skated beautifully in these Olympics. I would have given Michelle the edge artistic, and Tara technically.
this program is the ultimate in beauty and grace... Michelle has given the sport so many beautiful programs... it was never just about the jumps with her, it was about how beautiful she could make the experience for the audience... skating has never had anyone who could make you cry because the skating was just so incredibly lovely... Michelle is a once in a lifetime skater, and it will be a long time before we have someone like her again... she may not have won the gold, but the silver she got was worth a million times more than that... it gave us the joy of enjoying her for many more years... long after others had taken the money and run, we still had the beauty of Michelle- and that is worth more than a thousand gold medals...
I've watched this performance many times, but the great camera angles here make it seem new to me! Thanks for sharing!
You are right . . . it seems different to me with these camera views . .. the performance seems better to me than the US version.
Definitely agree! Mintaka has the best videos without a doubt!
Indeed, this is the Japanese tv transmission. International tv transmission showed other angles, even the audio was different, I remember the sound of those running edges and the landings
The flutzing is obvious from these angles and that 3Lo was a real squeaker. It actually makes the end result make more sense, to me, and I kinda agree with it.
Her face was the most genuine of all the skaters ...
She was my favorite
Stunningly gorgeous face, indeed!
inez mickel bruh you remember Tara Lipinski’s cause damn
inez mickel bruh you remember Tara Lipinski’s cause damn
この演技も一生忘れられない💯目の前で見た、ミシェル・クワン。本当に素敵で感動した💐
This is true skating, lyrical, delicate, artistic, not a note wasted. She may have won the silver, but her artistry deserved the gold.
Had artistry not been basicly removed as a main scoring element thanks to that mechanical terrible Canadian couple demanding to win although they were awful, Michelle easily would have gotten the gold, lipinski had zilch artistry and shouldn't have won.
@@lindaclark9925 I found a lot of Michelle's skating boring only using her arms . Just saying .
@@aspenrobinson8797 totally you do not watch skating , sorry-ppl with good taste get to comment 🙋
@@aspenrobinson8797 she had WAY MORE ARTISTRY than Tara lipinski. Tara DID NOT DESERVE THE GOLD , MICHELLE WAS THE GOLD WINNER . Tara looked like ...the wiry kid from gym class that can put themselves in a pretzel and who cares...plus, she was too young or hadn't lived enough to even UNDERSTAND the WORD artistry. TEAM MUCHELLE QUAN FOREVER
@@lindaclark9925 just to not confuse things, the scoring system was changed in 2004, after that incident of the Salt Lake City Olympics in 2002, where Salé/Pelletier had that kids tantrum and achieved a fake gold shared medal. This all happened after Nagano 1998, where Tara Lipinski won over Michelle Kwan. The 6.0 system was even worst than the one we have now, it was more easy to place skaters as they decide, and the artistic was rarely rewarded properly. You can perfectly see it in this concrete case, while I still think they placed correctly, as Tara jumps content was much bigger, it is unfair that they scored Michelle only with 5.9 in the artistic score and then gave Tara 5.8 and 5.9. That is infamous and didn't reflect the big gap in they artistic skills and choreo.
Michelle, you always made Americans so proud!!
終始曲調がゆったりとしていて演じるのが非常に難しいと思われる曲を
ここまで柔らかく優しい表現で演じてみせるクワン選手はやっぱり別格。
3T-3Tが一つでも入っていたら、結果は変わっていたかもしれません。
でも何回も見たくなるそんな素敵な演技だったと思います。
会場で生の演技を見ました。
トリプルトリプルがなくても、滑走順がリピンスキーより後なら芸術点で満点が幾つか出て、１位になってた可能性大だと思います。
何ともいえないオーラが演技にありました。
@@tadatada4098 生でご覧になったのですね！うらやましいです…。
6.0方式はどうしても順位が滑走順に影響されてしまうのがもどかしく感じます。
高難易度化した今のフィギュアも好きですが、このクワン選手の演技は唯一無二の魅力があって何度もリピートしてしまいます。
彼女のスケートの美しさと魅力は未だに越える人は見ていない。
I cry every time i watch this performance, absolutely just the most beautiful ever, she really should have win the gold.
it's one of the most beautiful and creatives programs we have seen at the olympics, same as her short program. But in my opinion, as it is a sport and the gap in technical content was big, it was "fair" in terms of competition. In terms of life, skating career...then I don't think so. But sport it is like this, specially Olympics, which is so unpredictable. Obviously, Michelle transcended in a way that, as you say, we still watch her.
Wrong. Sadly, Michelle never shined when the lights were brightest. Tara beat her. Unquestionably.
2023 still watching. Another one of those cases that a great performer was robbed. Gold all the way Michelle!!!
4:11 was when you start crying and crying and that’s when I thought no one can best this performance. But then again she was robbed. Look at her cry in the end. All the hard work she kept on Going.
綺麗なスケーティングで見とれてしまいました
この人のスパイラル一番好き
ステップやつなぎの部分すごく難しいことを簡単そうにしていてすご😮
Back in the day when edges mattered.
This is looking from a new camera angle. That triple flip didn’t look that bad from this angle. I still think Michelle was the better skate of the night.
Right...the take off was nor good because she picked with her boots..but she saved it...she’s a pro....
I remember feeling so sad for her when she didn't win the gold I thought her performance was so much better than Tara liskeinsky's maybe she didn't have all the jumps but it was so much more elegant and so much nicer to watch I love that little outfit that she's wearing so pretty simple but elegant I read somewhere that she just had a baby daughter God bless her may she have no regrets bye
I bet she wishes she had this program back - it’s slow and cautious compared to Nationals. She’s still far and away my fave; I haven’t even followed skating since she left the sport. ❤️MK❤️
Очень красиво!!! Нежно и женственно, потрясающе!!!
That was perfect! Sooo graceful and clean. She should win gold.🥇
Yes, Michelle was SO much better than Tara, she had a natural elegance, not just technique... She was so much better, that she became a legend anyway. Lyra Angelica had such an impact... I was just 18 watching live, and I thought "I can't even imagine anything best". Moving, beautiful, sentimental, elegant: such a perfection in every moment, in every part of the music. Pure poetry. I really saw true Art that night. Thank you Michelle, it's a real gift you made us. 22 years later, we can still feel our hearts in it. ♥️
Her second combo is such a throw away. It’s the Olympics and she’s doing a bunny hop between a triple and a double. She took out a triple/triple for that. 5.7’s for tech merit was a gift.
I'm still bitter about this. Fact of the matter is this competition was determined by skating order more than anything because both Michelle and Tara skated well. However, had Michelle skated after Tara, the majority if not all of the 5.9s for presentation would have been 6.0s and she would have won.
I agree with this. She had a more mature appearance on the ice than Tara Lipinski and I preferred her programme. Had Lipinski not won here we may have seen her compete in Salt Lake City, when Kwan was past her peak.
Yes. I think her presentation was superior to Lapinski, but Lapinski skated a technically more difficult program, which gave her the edge even without the tie breaking artistic mark coming into play.
But Tara's was both aesthetically and physically the better performance!
I'm still.pissed too. Lipinski and her 3L/3L certainly deserved higher technical scores but she skated like a little girl. Her 2nd mark should've been 2-3 tenths lower. Also agree about skate order influencing things to Michelle's detriment. She deserved the gold
@@TT-ee4qp They should lift all age restrictions! If a prepubescent 12-13 year old girl can skate better than a 16-17 year old so be it. The same with women gymnastics. Tara was out there having fun, while Michelle was trying to win a gold medal.
優雅の一言。ジャンプ、スピンの安定感もさることながら表情、視線などの演技力が群を抜いていました
her skating and performance hit my heart
Imagine the pressure she was under here!!! However, she skated a clean program! As a crushed MK fan it took me a long time to rewatch this program. However, it wasn't nearly as bad as I'd thought it had been! I think it would be rather difficult to skate 'free' under such pressure but she did a fantastic job!! I'll always love MK! ❤
Michelle was the only skater who used to give me goose bumps. I am just sad that she never won that gold medal. This is one of my favorite programs.
Yes, every time she stepped on the ice, it was magic -gold medal or not. She put her heart and soul into every performance.
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was the one who moved me with her skating, even though she always messed up and could never put down a clean program she will always be one of the best in the world to me . 🤗
Beautiful skating under tremendous pressure! How in the world did she land all those jumps! What a strong minded competitor!!! ❤️
She is the best skater of all time.
I watched skating in those year's it seemed she ever was in theeeee most pressure inducing placements ....AND STILL DID IT AND DID IT THE BEST MICHELLE... THE WORLD IS EVIL AND YOU MY DEAR WERE EVER EUPHEREAL ; GOD LOVES YOU 🙋
If you remember from the US Nationals she was recovering from a stress fracture. That's why the triple loop- half loop - double toe loop replaced the triple toe loop combo.
Love kwan, she looks so young we love you and we need someone like her again.
音楽とスケーティングが絶妙なる調和を見せた類まれなる選手である。17歳にしてすでにプロの表現力を備え、しかも5種類の3回転ジャンプを跳ぶことができる天才である。
How many people actively seek out this and other videos of Michelle Kwan's programs because they transcend us vs. how many look for Lipinski's? And this is why Kwan is the greatest skater of living memory.
今までで一番好きな選手です💞
This was beatufuilly skated! Not tight at all as my memory ticked me into believing. So simple yet so sophisticated. Had she skated later in the gourd she would have won!
maybe the best triple loop Michelle Kwan ever did in competition 1:13
I was 12 years old when I saw this live on TV. She was my role model.
I love her costume😍 pure and graceful
She is a joy to watch!
Graceful n mature technical and presentation
She was the one who deserved the gold medal
Without question in my book
@@ft-je3rs History has proved she was the best . Tara disappeared after that. Michelle a five-time World champion (1996, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2003) and a nine-time U.S. champion (1996, 1998-2005). She is tied with Maribel Vinson for the all-time National Championship record.
Mountain Lover it was childlike skating that was undeveloped . I prefer maturity
I disagree with Tara’s win here. She tried more difficult jump combos for sure, but in the old judging system, the artistic mark that should have balanced both programs was used as a cop-out. There’s no way Tara’s artistic marks should have rivaled Michelle’s. You can give technical kudos to Tara here, but artistic should have been Michelle’s, in which case, the deciding factor should have been the results of the short program. That all being said, 20+ years later, Michelle showed that she had determination and longevity to push through and cement herself as an icon in the sport. Tara was a one-hit wonder by comparison. The way Michelle handled herself in the face of defeat beyond her control really made her one of the world’s most recognizable faces and role models of figure skating. One could argue that her career wouldn’t have lasted the test of time had she won here, so though unfair, I think it was a blessing in disguise.
The gold was you ❤️
Michelle Kwan was robbed! She should've won the gold metal. Tara's performance was good, too, but I though Michelle gave more of a mature, graceful performance.
Give Kwan credit. She skated her heart out, and I disagree on her being timid, and she wasn't a chicken, either. Lipinski did perform quite well, too, but I still think the gold should've gone to Kwan.
Kwan earned every medal she won. The judges never propped her up. She would have brought more pride and presence to the Olympic Gold Medal Club than any of the other women who won the gold instead of her. I doubt we'll ever see another skater with as long and illustrious career as she had.
@Mountain Lover I'm sticking to my opinion, regardless. As far as I'm concerned, Kwan is Golden. She skated her heart out.
M.K.s spectacular career and legacy has become bigger than the Olympics. OG has forever lost its magic and luster without her name on it. She never needed it, it needed her .
Indeed!!!
今とは、技がだいぶ違うが、なにかこう気品がある滑りですね。
She'll always be my favorite!
She is the Olympic gold a t least mine
The artistry in this program is hard to beat even with todays skaters.
stanley052380 today's skater have no artistry
Especially with today's skaters
Actually Russian skaters beat her easily in artistry and technical merit.
plumeria66 The Russians all have the same Eteri-driven look, and it's getting old. I don't call that artistry.
I'm a big Michelle fan. I used to think she was robbed of the gold here. But then I had rewatched Tara's program years later and I felt Tara's program was technically much harder than Michelle's so perhaps she deserved to win. Then I watched this again and I feel Michelle should have won simply because in the 6.0 days, artistic mark is the tie breaker and I firmly believe Tara didn't deserve the 5.9s she gotten as her artistry wasn't there. Technically, she was definitely above Michelle. But her artistry wasn't. Hence at the end of the day, Michelle should have won the gold.
@Mountain Lover Well, we will have to agree to disagree then. :)
Kwan I thought won although Lipinski skated brilliantly also. But in my mind Kwan clear won the Olympic gold.
That backwards camel spin should be worth as much as the triple loop combo
No, because if you invest a lot of time trying this spin, you will eventually be able to do it. While you can spend your whole life training figure skating and never achieve a triple-triple. I agree that I see that spin, and it's wonderful, artistic and creative, and difficult, but not to loose sight, jumps are much difficult
Her genius was so under appreciated. If Michelle gets 5.9 for artistic how on earth do you give that to Tara too?
exactly...tara benefited from skating 2nd to last. I remember watching it and saying, wth? 5.7 ok...tara 5.9/5.9...no way...
Mountain Lover youre delusional
Panchino Maldonado Mountain Lover clearly needs more than our help. Kwan is and will always be the People’s Champion. Her legacy transcends and dwarfs all of her contemporaries. And she continues to inspire and evolve. Some people are just so bitter and dead inside they can’t possibly be touched by her genius. And those of us that can, we are the lucky ones. And the majority.
No one compares to kwan.
THis will forever be heartnreaking to me. Sure Tara was a show pony, and hit all her marks, but with Michelle there was an elegance that cannot be taught. She was a natutal talent, and it still breaks my heart she never won gold.
She may not have won the gold, but she was an artist on ice! I still watch her Salt Lake city 2002 gala performance (fields of gold) frequently. She was so classy, elegant and She will never be forgotten.
she is the best skater of mine
WOW ANOTHER PERFECT PERFORMANCE WOW SIMPLY AMAZING GODBLESS PEACE AND LOVE ALWAYS TO YOU AND YOURS 😄...(*8*)
Gold metal goes to Michelle Kwan
Amazing
Presentations should’ve been all 6.0. It’s virtually impossible to beat this level of artistic and aesthetic superiority. ❤️
FnA, I think the judges lowballed her because they didn't wanna lose her. If Michelle won the gold here, she more than likely would have retired. All in all it all worked out in the end, she became the most decorated skater in the history of the sport. The aG.O.A T.
@@theprinceoftides6836 her technique was horrible, even though Im not a skater technique its very obvious that her lutz its a flutz and she has never done a triple triple combo...
@@Ardit-kq4btand lipysnsky has perfect technique!
I though it was the music..... needed something more to this skate....but an awesome performance by kwan
Just thinking the same....
I felt like history repeated itself during Sochi. High Technical elements wins over Artistry/presentation with 1 slight off balance from Michelle's Triple Flip and Yu Na Kim's Triple Lutz.
もし3回転3回転を入れて、しかも滑走順位がリピンスキーの後であったならば金メダルは彼女がとった可能性が濃厚である。当時の採点方式ではそのようなことがはっきりと指摘できる。
クワンは3+3は入れれません。
@@盆暗倉子 2000年、2001年の世界選手権では、toeloop の 3回転3回転を成功させて優勝しています。良く調べてからコメントしなさい。
間違えました
五輪ではしてない、
でした。
トリプルトリプルを入れなくても、リピンスキーより滑走順が後なら、芸術点で抜いて１位になってたと思います。m(_ _)m
タラはpcs5.7が妥当
Tara had the technical but Michelle had the artistic. Both combined has Michelle for the win, well in my books it is.
I still think she was robbed. It's hard to even watch knowing the outcome.
She was robbed.
She played it safe. She wasn't robbed.
Even Frank Carroll said Tara deserved the gold.
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That was perfect performance. Still after all these years this is what god made a mistake on. Michelle kwan won the gold here. She was better than Tara way better.
The camera was hella high class for 1998 ... wow
It's Japanese cameras. 👏
In retrospect, she had better skating skills, choreography and overall technique than Tara. Tara had a major flutz--her "lutz" was not on the outside edge at all--and her second 3loop on the 3-3 is borderline at best. Her 3-seq-3 combo was a little shaky as well. And Tara never should have seen a 5.9 on the second mark.
Kwan was full of flutzes too.
Tara should never have seen above a 5.6 on the second mark. She was a great jumper but Kwan was a complete skater.
I second.
Tara only flutz’d on her first lutz on combination. The second lutz was from outside edge
@@HowsaBowsaYowsa Kwan was more of a flat edge, tara was much worse.
If she had won the gold here, i think she would've stayed until SLC to see if she would've joined Katerina as a double OG.
I'm a huge Michelle Kwan fan. I was rooting for her to win the gold, but Tara out skated Michelle this night. Michelle did all 6 triples, and her artistry was superb, but she skated tentatively. Tara did two triple/triple combinations, and skated fearlessly. Tara deserved the gold medal.
Chip 79 Tara's under-rotations would never have survived IJS. Her components were also hugely over scored- the 5.9 was a joke.
MezzoSeren For years I was disappointed Michelle didn't win gold. I used to think she was robbed, but now I believe Tara beat her. Tara's jumps were sketchy, but I think the judges rewarded her for attempting the 3/3 combos. Todays judging may have caught the Under rotated jumps and flutz, but this was 20 years ago. It still breaks my heart that Michelle Kwan doesn't have an Olympic gold medal, because I think she's the greatest of all time and my all-time favorite figure skater.
Why do you say Michelle did 6 triples? She did 7.
Chip: I agree. Tara was clearly the deserved winner. There wasn't enough distance between Kwan and Lipinski artistically that Kwan could afford to pull back technically and yet, that's exactly what she did, expecting her reputation and art to pull her through, which didn't work.
What's interesting is that Kim Yuna went into the 2014 Olympics with only 6 triples, as well. I remember thinking she was crazy to do that. Although a superior skater to Sotnikova, I feel like Kim put all her eggs in the artistic basket, too. I always say Kim lost the gold by one jump and Michelle lost by one rotation. If Michelle had done a triple-triple instead of a triple-double, I think the judges would have given her the nod, even though I still feel Tara was better overall.
Funny too, how this same scenario played out in the 2018 games. I predicted a Lipinski type upset because there wasn't enough distance between Medvedeva and Zagitova artistically that Medvedeva could afford to pull back technically, and she did. The rest is history.
@@L1623VP michelle and tara were not close whatsoever in artistry. The reason michelle lost was because she skated first. They held marks. But that 5.7 was not deserved.
It feels like the Colours of the wind.
Very talented dancer beautifull 😍👀👻💖👍💞💝💗💘💜💛💚💖
Yes, Still THE BEST SKATE OF THE NIGHT.. TARAHS WAS JUST JUMPS.
This was for sure the best skate of that night. Judges robbed the gold from Michelle. Olympics will regret this for all time. The best skater never got that well deserved gold. We all know by now that Tara Lipinski's Lutz isn't on the right edge. We all know and see and feel that the presentatyion of Michelle's program is way better than Tara's. How come those 5 judges didn't see it???
What you are saying is correct. But Tara's speed and completeness with her movements . . . including her improved artistry as well as her higher technical difficultly and skating her program later is what sealed it all. In retrospect, Michelle's jumps were better technically as well as her moves, but Tara's speed and eye popping Triple/Triple made it go her way. Another day and a different performance from each and it may have gone differently.
Michelle’s Lutz wasn’t on the right edge either
@@venuzmodeling She didn't have the egregious flutz that Tara did.
@@TT-ee4qp Wrong! In this performance Tara didn't just jump and run. Her artistry was improved and she was in sync with the music. Her presentation matched Kwan in THIS competition and that is PART of the reason why she won!
@@TT-ee4qp In this competition, Tara's artistic quality was superior. There is no point in talking about if she didn't have a certain aspect because she had it all and enough to win that night! So take your opinions and shove it!!😤😫😡
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Michelle’s technical difficulty stayed largely the same over the years. Tara was a former US and World Champ who threw a 3L-3L combo in the LP of Nagano - still a combo so difficult it is rarely performed. Plus - a 3S Euler 3T combo STILL used. Tara was artistic and a technical master. All but two judges put her first-Tara deserved Gold in 98 and Michelle should’ve incorporated 3-3 combos after that and she didn’t. It left her vulnerable-and it ultimately cost her.
i love MK so much, but Tara's long program was better.
@Sportsman Pariente in my opinion the biggest problem with this score is that they gave Tara 5.8 and 5.9 in artistic while only 5.9 to Michelle.
I wonder what they were chatting about during K&C. I think Michelle was emotional because *she knew* that was not her best.
I think she was in emotional pain.
Juan Antonio Moreno No, that was tears of joy and relief.
no she was crying because she was overjoyed that she did well. I mean anyone could pick up on that lol.
5:28 this flutz is so so obvious.
FUN ZENG omg you’re right she’s totally taking off from the wrong edge
Michelle kwan was the real American sweetheart...not nancy karagan
😍💐💐💐
Gold medal should have been Michelle's.
Lyra Angelica lacks the drama an Olympic program should have. Michelle did not need to extend herself artistically. Had she skated something more difficult like Taj Mahal she would have blown Tara out of the water in the LP&won the gold.
this situation is what validates the current judging system. I personally prefer the old 6.0 system.
fixing and overscoring and political judging can and most probably will occur under any scoring system in which the sport is "judged". Especially if there is an artistic component. Like in hockey you can see if the ball/puck went in the goal and swimming a stopwatch tells you who hit the boards first. But it's the judge's discretion to allow/disallow and grade elements- be they out of 6 or -3/+3 and even more leeway is given when the sport adds components scores. It happened here, it happened in Salt Lake City, it happened in Sochi and its happened in lot of more minor competitions- be they under the old or new system. It's very political and the nature of the sport allows for it.
I have never ice skated in my life, but have always been a passionate figure skating fan and never miss it on tv. Always loved Kwan and Lapinski and was so taken with excitement of Olympics. When Michelle skated I thought she had it in the bag, but then when Tara skated my immediate thought was that she would win Gold. In my opinion, Tara simply out-skated her that night....plus the sheer joy on Tara’s face through her entire performance, I believe, helped her scores. Regardless, both women are iconic in US figure skating and we were blessed to have them.
tara should've finished 2nd. Especially by the new system, since she underrotated 2 jumps. I think tara is a good actress. that run she did at the end gave her the extra edge in my opinion. Also, had they skated in the order they skated to at nationals, I dont think you would have seen 5.7 for michelle. I think they would've given a few 6.0s also. Placement was everything back then. Under the new system, michelle would've beaten tara easily.
E Rivera this wasn’t the new system and the right skater won
I think she thought this was "Gold" which might explain not being able to hold back her tears during the ceremony.
Как изменилось сейчас женское катание.
Оно сейчас стало прыгучим и детским )
the triple flip was the downfall for her in both Olympics. her triple flip here she landed shaky. had she landed perfectly she might have won the gold here. had she landed the triple flip perfectly in 2002 Olympics, she would have won the gold for sure.
the stolen gold from michelle kwan still makes me upset
This was a beautiful program but Michelle thought the gold was hers before she even got to Nagano. Her marks were inflated at the US Nationals and she expected the same here. She was inflated in the short program, Tara won that too. Her dad told her that all she had to do was stay standing and the gold was hers. She didn't think that she had to improve technically. She skated an easier program and did so cautiously. She won a Silver medal and didn't earn anything more than that on that night. Sorry folks, that is the truth. An Olympic silver medal is something to be very proud of but when people keep telling you, the gold, im sure it was difficult to digest.
It was very much the same with Patrick Chan in the 2014 Olympics. He was so outrageously over-scored throughout his skating career, that he felt all he needed to do was show up at competitions to earn the gold. Sadly, he was right most of the time. The worst example was the 2013 World Championships before the 2014 Olympics, where Chan fell three times in the long program and STILL won in a judging decision that's highly controversial, even today. The problem is that Chan believed his own press and all the people around him who said "yes" to everything, about how "fabulous" he was and that his artistry was more than enough. So, he never pushed himself to be any better technically because he'd become so used to winning with highly flawed programs for years. He didn't have to work any harder, so he didn't. I'd never seen him skate two clean programs back-to-back. Of course, his artistry wasn't enough at the Sochi Games when his technique fell apart so disastrously that even the judges couldn't hold him up with inflated marks anymore. Even so, he ended up with a silver medal that should have been a bronze. When judges consistently over-score skaters, they don't do them any favors because it gives them a false sense of security that future victories are assured based solely on their reputations, and that there is no real need to improve their skills, even while there are younger and more athletic skaters coming up behind them...as was the case with Chan. Now, he can't even begin to compete technically against skaters like Yuzuru Hanyu, Shoma Uno and Nathan Chen, and has been quickly left behind.
Well definitely I agree Chan had that bad attitude that he could show up and win and didn't learn to compete strongly. But Chan did have better skating skills than everyone, I think most in the skating world would agree but he is now challenging himself on jumps too but it might be too late. But Dennis Tan should have won 2013 worlds, that was so screwed up. And Patrick in that interview after didn't even say I could have done better, his attitude was too arrogant and it kept him down really. Yuzuru challenged himself, quad loop, Patrick has a quad salchow but Patrick jus tcant compete. Best skater in artistry and skill but he is not a good competitor. needs sports psychologist
I know nothing about skating, but I just watched the two performances back to back, and I really enjoyed Michelle much more. Her jumps were higher, and she just seemed more graceful.
Even after 20 years I prefer Ms Kwans graceful and elegant performance.
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Yes she should've come first, then been followed by Irina.
To me Tara had so much joy and passion but this was a beautiful skate too! Olympic gold was always just out of reach for Michelle.
All of us thought she had it in the bag. I really won’t blame her if she hates Tara for the rest of her life. But what happened at 6:46? Could that be the reason she lost?
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a beautiful skate from michelle. but the thing that i admire so much about tara's skate…she had a long wait…her greatest rival skated way before her…and after nationals michelle got perfect sixes and tara had that trouble in the short program. so for tara to come out…skate with so much speed…that triple loop triple loop combination…she was clearly the winner. and this whole flutzing thing is just bullshit. skaters have been doing that for years. tara, in my book, deserved the gold medal.
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She should have won!
Why does she cry?
5.7 and 5.9 1st.
I will always wonder what was going through her mind in kiss n cry. Why was she emotional. Was it elation that she skated so well... or was it that she knew she skated cautiously/had a slight check on that 3flip and thought she'd be penalized for that? I notice Frank was trying to console her... so maybe the later?
But she looked so happy after that 2nd Lutz. I'm so confused. lol
she mentioned in interviews that she was just relieved she finished well. she was under a lot of pressure from the federation.
6:46 WOW!!!
That Loop landing under the current IJS.
I still cannot believe this did not received a gold medal This gold performance is perfection on all its course and you can’t even compare it to that robotic lame performance by Tara lipinski. Kwan was robbed