Batman Brave And The Bold -The Torture Episode
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- Batman Brave And The Bold takes a stab at Earth 3 the home of alternate evil versions of superheroes. Batman meets Owlman and also Red Hood in an episode that isn't afraid to get a little dark. We explore the first part of a two part Owlman story with "Deep Cover For Batman." Come discuss the episode and the many references therein here on Casually Comics!
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Who has the coolest evil alternate?
Owl Man is usually the best due to getting the most focus.
Red Beetle and Blue Bowman. Creepy Jamie and overly dark colored wearing Ollie? Nah, man
Owlman is the probably the most accessible Batman evil alternative, while Nemesis is the ultimate Batman evil alternative.
Ultraman has a lot of potential I'd like to see used
Personally id say the red hood because the way the 2 parter compares both him to the joker is really cool.
Written by "Joseph Kuhr?"
"Joe Kuhr?"
…
"Joker?"
🤔
I'm came here to make that comment.
@@ryangreen6255same
Why did I hear that last one as Christian Bale 😭 JOKERR
this episode REALLY benefits from not being part of a Justice League show. Seeing the swapped versions of D-list characters helps legitimize them in this show (especially Red Tornado, given his fate). Also, despite being aimed at a younger audience than the 90's show, refusing to properly reveal the Joker's face showed they did trust the audience. Stuff like that is why Brave and the Bold holds up so well.
Yeah for all those reasons I legitimately loved this episode and it remains one of my favorites even as an adult. I found the Red Hood adaptation so interesting, and as a kid fresh off the 90s Animated Series who only knew Joker as a gangster I gotta say even this morality swapped backstory was much more interesting compared to what they depicted and alluded to there even if it was mainly a burton influence compromise.
(Also was a nice surprise to see you pop up here, love your vids as well!)
@@Shift_SaltTrue,an interesting idea to have the Joker or rather the man underneath the mask was a hero and his will power is a what stops him from going insane.
Love this earth 3 version of joker being the Red Hood
We need more Earth-3 versions of villains turned heroes tbh
@@kylethefan6062 I also like how it fits with the whole "one bad day" thing from killing joke. Him just barely keeping his mind together.
@@somethingclever4297Finally, the writers of this episode got that the "one bad day" theory was wrong.
@@fynnthefox9078 Red Hood: That one bad day convinced me...that I had to prevent anyone else from having one like it. Plus, I will admit...anytime a newbie Syndicate member would pull off my mask, their reactions...well, I am still a little crazy, and that was funny!
Wish he was called blue hood.
One of the neat things about this two-parter is that Joker hadn't actually appeared in Brave and the Bold until this point, because the series had been focusing on non-Batman villains to go with its team-up-of-the-week nature.
So Red Hood's face is basically what we would have gotten had they stuck to their own art style for the show where it was more INSPIRED by Dick Sprang instead of swapping to the 1:1-ish version we see later on when Joker DOES appear?
@@toonman5099 Joker appears in the second episode of the two-parter, so no, probably not.
I remember noticing that too, we saw this Red Hood guy before we ever even saw a proper Joker. Or almost any Batman rogue, for that matter.
@@DarkeLourd I meant more like "could that have been the early beta design for his face early in production, like they basically would have 'revealed' that face for regular Joker in part 2".
The slightly more subdued laugh Jeff Bennett does for Red Hood kinda reminds me of his laugh for the Creeper in The New Batman Adventures. The fact that his manic voice for Creeper sounds nothing like his voice for Joker really speaks volumes for his range.
Which probably explains why he was pick for the role
I love this episode mainly for having such an interesting take on a good guy, Joker, since using the red hood and him fighting against the insanity is again a much more interesting take on Joker
That would have actually been a good twist for the joker 2 movie. (If it was made by actual comic fans) jokers actually trying to control his insanity and have the twist at the end be the story takes place in earth 3. Maybe a shot of Bruce becoming owl man at the end
@@KiEntertainer actually, that would be a really good twist and fit with that version of Thomas Wayne from the first movie
Creeper is an excellent good Joker
I dont think Red Hood fought his insanity. He's not insane and doesnt have any impulses. He's just disfigured and has a laughing tic. Its basically saying that Joker's "one bad day" excuse is still bs and if he wanted to be a good guy he still could. Joker uses it as an excuse to be bad but Red Hood doesnt see it as an excuse to stop being good.
Plus if you saw his backstory it’s a reverse play on the joker origin story as instead of being accidentally fell into a tank of acid, he was purposely threw into the tank of acid by Owl man, which gives him even more motivation to not break and fight for justice.
I adore that we actually get some alternates that aren't just the main JLA for once.
ALSO you probably noticed that the colour scheme for Silver Syclone is the same as for Red Tornado's son later in the series
Silver the colour of evil...apparently lol
@@CasuallyComics I can't wait until you get to Hail the Tornado Tyrant! As I do like that episode although I hate that they kill tornado champion scince they make it clear they can't remake him slas they destroy every single piece. It just doesn't feel right for so many reasons. I also hope you do the D.A.V.E. episodes from the batman as he was a fun villian to bad the choices are either he is dead or the comic ruins him making him just another riddler.
Hail the Tornado Tyrant! is such a goated episode, I honestly can't believe they've never worked him into anything else.
Red Scarab's Hero's Heart in a jar joke was DARK 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't even remember that joke originally
7:44 i love that sharp inhale that this version of the Joker does, almost interrupting or forcibly stopping himself from going into the full Joker cackle.
My gripe with this episode has always been that I wish the other evil counterparts had more interesting designs, instead of feeling like palette swaps. Since it's at least Owlman had a different cowls and color layout than Batman.
I agree. But I get it. New designs are money. Pallets swapping is assets reuse and saves money.
Technically Owlman does have an "inverse" color swap to Batman, the grey and blue.
@gameinguy yeah but there's actual layers instead of swapping Green for Blue, Blue for Red, Red for Blueish Silver, even the "Heroes" had muted swaps
I love that Batman tried too hard to be a jerk and that's what blew his cover.
I just binge watched the Brave and Bold series, I forgot how much I loved it. Being born in the 50s I grew up a Silver Age DC fan and this is absolutely packed with call backs. Highly recommended for any DC Silver Age fans.
Red hood being the Earth 3 Joker was damn cool
I will forever maintain that the Injustice League's best appearance will always be in Lego DC Super Villains AND I WILL DIE ON THAT HILL
You mean in Lego Dc supervillains right?
@@keithharrissuwignjo2460 I mean if we want to be pedantic about this it has a hyphen: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_DC_Super-Villains
This episode was my first encounter with earth 3 as a concept and the red hood moniker as a whole. And even now I think the red hood in this episode was such a cool character that I’m always disappointed that he’s not really a thing in the comics
Better than the Jester
He is just a really good reversal on Joker, down to having the Joker's old identity instead of his new one.
Been rewatching Brave and the Bold and it got me wondering to ask, would you ever like to make a video about Gentleman Ghost and some of his comic appearances? I always loved his attitude and Victorian aesthetic.
And also THE MUSIC MEISTER!!!!!!
The Brave and the Bold is such an underrated show. I feel the problem with DC is that many of its stories (even with all of the reboots) are too large to digest. But BATB managed to sell you on histories of characters like Joker (via his counterpart) while not feeling bloated.
Speaking of this Joker, I would love to see more of this "Red Hood" in the comics. One who didn't crack under the pressure of what Owl Man forced onto him.
Ongoing Red Hood comic when???
I love the scene of Red Hood laughing before reining himself in, it really captures the feeling of him beginning to crack before suddenly having a moment of realisation and refocusing himself
I know it goes further into it next episode, but I always thought it was interesting how good guy Red Hood was technically the first appearance of the Joker in this show.
I love these episodes of The Brave and The Bold! This and Crisis on Two Earths molded my thoughts that Earth 3 isn’t just the Earth of evil versions of characters, but the Earth where the villains on the main reality found hope and escaped the dark road that would turn them into villains. I love the origin for Red Hood, and I wish that it was comic canon.
yeah, earth 3 is at its worst when its just "evil batman and friends" and at its strongest when its a full role reversal where you get to root for the usual villains
@@thesatelliteslickers907 I'll be honest, at some points I prefer the Crime Syndicate versions of the JL over the main ones. I mean, Owlman's design and personality is just cold, Ultraman actually feels like the strongest member, Johnny Quick doesn't have any weird Speed Force connection/powers, Power Ring makes more sense as a name and Superwoman has a cool design.
Can't wait for you to cover the next episode when Owlman disguises himself as golden age Batman 👏
Oh THIS torture episode.
For a comedy this show went dark a few times.
0:35 Joseph kuhr? That can't be his real name? Or is the joker a writer for the show?
Lol everytime he writes an episode I'm like Joseph Kurh...Joe Kuhr...Joker!
@CasuallyComics I think Scott Synder may owe someone royalties😅
@@CasuallyComics That is some Batman level detective work.
@@xstation6445 that is literally a thing from a comic. There's a comic where joker goes sane. And his name is Joseph Kerr. And there's a scene where batman is at the bat computer and slowly removes the letters to figure out that he's the joker.
Joseph Kerr is a pun. Arthur Fleck sounds like nerdy accountant. Jack Napier is the only real name that suits the man who will become The Joker.
I was there when the first episode first aired and the second episode was just so very *dynamically cool.*
Having an episode where Batman was able to team up with the Joker - the Joker of all people - an actually make it legit was one of those key things that solidified my love of the series.
I never knew the joker being the red hood was an older thing, I thought it was a more recent thing.
Almost literally has always been there
@@popeye697 I mean I didn't know it was thing before killing joke
What makes this version of Redhood/Joker’s backstory interesting is it’s a reverse play on the joker origin story as instead of being accidentally fell into a tank of acid, he was purposely threw into the tank of acid by Owl man the same man that murder his family, which gives him even more motivation to not break and fight for justice.
When the show was first coming out, I was already enjoying it, but here is where I think it jumped from “good” to “great”.
I watched this episode new on CN back in the day and I was so confused, "WHAT DOES THE SCARAB KEEP IN A BIG JAR IN THE BACK OF HIS CLOSET?!" lol
Did we ever learn that?
Oh I get it now
The heart of a hero
The alternate Plastic Man had a great color swap.
I also loved the joke that with Red Tornado, no matter how much damage his head survived where as with Silver Cyclone, his head is the first thing to go.
Pretty sure I've said this in comments and replies to comments on your channel multiple times before, but it especially bears repeating given that you've now actually covered this episode of Batman: TBATB:
I love the Red Hood heroic alternate Joker concept and I've wished for years to see him in the comics for a team up.
In my own personal OPINION, Brave and the Bold had the best version of Earth - 3.
When entering the other world, it feels like there's actual history between each character. Redhood is the Joker but there's obviously a clear difference between how they view their disfigured faces. While Batman assumed that Owlman is just a more ruthless and closed-off version of himself, it turns out Owlman is just extremely petty guy. Even with a character that only has a few lines like Blue Arrow, you can sense that he has history with Owlman. Whether it's the same as Batman and Green Arrow's rivalry is up for debate. My personal favorite was Silver Cyclone because unlike Red Tornado who sees humanity as admirable, Cyclone sees it as something unattainable and therefore unneeded.
Earth 3 is completely different from the universe that we know, but Brave and Bold made it feel like an actual genuine world with its own story and history.
Another great review! Love this episode, not just one of my favorite episodes of B:BATB but one of my favorite Earth-Three/3/2 stories in general, especially adore the twist on having the good version of the Joker as the Red Hood, wish the comics would adapt that into a version of Earth 3 again eventually.
This was actually the first episode of The brave and the bold i ever saw. It got me to keep watching cus it was rlly interesting.
I’m so happy she is doing more vids on Brave and Yhe Bold, it was the Batman I grew up with, and gave me such a great view of how zany yet cool comics can be!
Would love another Tom strong vid if possible!!
Red Hood having a strong will was cool af to me as a kid
I absolutely love this episode. I'm always a sucker for alternate universe/evil counterparts episodes in shows and this two-parter is a really good example of one. I particularly love the take on the alternate version of the Joker, with him still using the Red Hood moniker.
This is one my favorite episode, espically Red Hood scene torture able to snap back.
Favorite swap Scarlet Beetle, Gentleman Ghost and others villain.
Was watching this yesterday and hoped you'd make a video on it lol manifestation fr! Love this two parter BATB really has some gems
I think this episode was what really sold me on Brave and the Bold when I was younger. I watched a few previous episodes but this one knocked it out of the park.
Another thing that gave this Joker reveal weight was up until this point in the series, we actually hadn't seen what Brave and the Bold Joker would look like. So we saw his alternate version first in this 2 parter before the episode that properly introduced him in a topsy turvy team up episode.
This was a really good breakdown video, I hadn't thought about how it's shows Batmans character in how he actually isn't as good at pretending to be evil as he thinks he is.
Its the fact that while Batman may brood and be serious, that doesn't really suggest evilness. Owlman has a sleazy, cocky element to him, sorta like the Bruce Wayne playboy persona Batman puts on, although its genuine for Owlman, showing another reversal.
This Owlman design for this show is perfect for me. It's like one of my favorite episodes just because of his costume. 😊
This is one of my favourite episodes, definitely the one that made me decide the show was worth watching and thank goodness for that. "Brave and the Bold" is fantastic.
Batman facing a villain called Owl Man, may be a call- back to the 1939 episode of 'the Shadow Radio Show' called "Danger in the Dark" where the Shadow faced a foe called the Owl, whose super-hearing allows him to overcome the Shadows stealth cloaking ability. The Shadow was voiced by Orson Welles. ( Pre "Citizen Kane".)
I remember coming home from school and being visibly disturbed by this episode. My friends wanted to play superheros and I remember not wanting to. As a kid, the idea of heart-of-gold heroes becoming monsters really openend my eyes to a duality I didn't understand yet. It made me wonder "what did this to make you want to be this way?"
Thank you for reminding me of this show and episode. I needed this
When he says it tickles 😅sends chills down my spine
It should also e acknowledged that this was technically the first appearance of the Joker in the show. So red Hood was our introduction to this character in this show, making the appearance of the actual Joker Joker feeling even more impactful by how much he contrasts him.
Excited for part 2!
Some of my favorite episodes of BTBATB. I just love alternate earths where heroes are villains and villains are heroes. Can't wait for the next video.
I absolutely loved this episode, one of the best and was actually my introduction to The Red Hood before I'd ever seen Under The Red Hood.
And I thought it was so cool as a kid, and still love it now years later.
My favorite moment in the episode was where Batman gave Red Hood an earpiece, meaning he has to remove his hood to put it in, so he says, "I have to warn you, I'm not much to look at." And we get the face reveal... so well done.
Also, I'd absolutely read a Red Hood ongoing comic, about this version of the character.
Brave and the Bold is an absolute must watch for any DC fan or even just anyone looking to get into it. Yeah, it has some of that Silver Age cheese to it, but not only is it very much intentional, it adds to the charm and makes the darker & more serious moments stick out.
The Joker being the Red Hood in an alternate universe is honestly just a cool concept. The scene where he's looking at himself in the mirror and stops himself *just short* of going into a full Joker cackle is masterfull. Jeff Bennet did a phenomenal job and I feel like he's somewhat underrated as a Joker voice.
Having that Silver Age lighthearted overlay allowed them to get away with a the occasional darker moment because they knew when to stop.
This show is criminally underappreciated.
This is one of my favorite episodes. Can't wait for part 2.
Yay!
This was a great two-parter, I love all of the callbacks to the various versions of Earth-Three!
You probably won't even read this but....without going into too many boring details, I'm someone with some health problems and in the last few months I've been really unwell. Your channel and content is one of the things that amuse me at this not very cool moment in my life and that's why I would like to say thank you very much Sasha for somehow helping me get through this, I hope God blesses you with all the best
I remember this episode which is weird because when I saw it, was after crisis on two earth's. Also love how Silver Cyclone says, and I quote, "Observation, left, right. South. Your responses contain a statistically improbable number of these words. Keeping me distracted as you pass along encoded instructions to your ally" after Batman fought against Dyna-Mite (had to pull up the episode elsewhere and look at the credits for). Was a shockingly dark episode for what was supposed to be the most lighthearted version of the Batman, even it's predisesscor series had a couple of DARK episodes whereas TBATB has like 2 or 3 including this one
"Oh Batsy, it IIISSS you!!!"
Only the Joker could really tell at a glance with only a moment's notice.
I remember this episode from when I watched it as a kid, and I love its version of a heroic Joker that uses the Red Hood alias instead of something like the jester. I still remember the scene when he’s first shown his chemical disfigurement
"No evil alternate for Snapper Carr."
That's because he is the evil one...
Clapper Snarr
I really wish earth 3 in the comics used this version of joker/red hood. His name (Jokester) and costume never screamed hero to me.
Also noteworthy that the Scarlet Scarab from Marvel IS based on the Blue Beetle, or at least the Dan Garret version, so that's probably why DC doesnt use a Scarlet Scarab.
8:18 gentlemen ghost look sick and now his name makes sense lol
This episode spawned a life long obsession with Owlman as a concept that I still have to this very day
I am very grateful to this series, it was the one that introduced me to many other DC heroes (before that, Russian TV only showed series about Batman, Superman and the Justice League, but without a sequel Justice League Unlimited). A separate plus is that Batman from this series was voiced by the same voice actor as Batman from Nolan's films (who voiced many other characters, such as Nathan Drake from Uncharted, Aidan Pearce from Watch Dogs and many, many other characters)
Love how silver cyclone just reassure us the GREAT HERO Red Tornado CHOOSE to become
_Let's not forget this is the same Red Tornado that killed his own son in order to save the ENTIRE PLANET_
As a kid this and the followup episode were my favorites of this show!
Episode was written by Joe Kuhr. Neat
There were some good moments in this episode, but it did start to get confusing, especially when they had the big fight.
I'm looking forward to coverage of the next part. I especially liked Owl Man wearing the original Batman outfit with the pointier ears and purple gloves!
I love this series and I ALWAYS click on your videos when you cover it.
Owlman's outfit in this is criminally underrated
I just like that they casually destroyed the Marvel Zombies universe with a single button offscreen. Oh, my bad. I meant "Earth 161".
I LOVED it when Owlman wore the 1939 batsuit in order to frame Batman for his crimes. The fight between the two was pretty cool!😀
The only "Earth Three Joker" I actually like, tbh
I do remember thinking red hood was really cool when i was a kid
This two parter has always been part of my favourite episodes of Batman tBatB, part of me loves the switch of palette for Polaris and Grodd, but Rubber Man and Scarlett Scarab are kinda cool too.
Thank you Sasha for making this video!
I just the biggest sucker for Earth Three material, I pray we get a big buddy “Justice League vs Crime Syndicate” movie someday, make it happen James Gunn
episodes like this are why this show is on the level with BTAS
Sasha : “We’ll save most of the owl man talk for part 2…”
Me : when was this video produced?
UA-cam : 1 hour ago.
Me : DOH!
I love Batman Brave and the Bold. And this episode was fantastic. I love the alternate Joker reveal.
Jeff Bennett is an underrated Joker
I really enjoyed the heroic Red Hood from this story and I wish we could have seen more of him.
This was the episode that introduced me to Owl Man and Red Hood when it first aired
10:13 Yep, that's me.
And Hey, for giving us some Batman Brave and the Bold goodness, a free 👍 for sure 😁
I love that even Gentleman Ghost got a heroic counterpart
So he must have made a deal with an angel
And got token down by a time traveling owl man, an evil jason blood, and a consulting criminal sherlock homes
I love this show!
I think it's pretty funny that the only time we see Sinestro wear yellow in this show is this alternate version of him.
(also if you're talking about BatB episodes again I'm once again requesting Fall of the Blue Beetle)
God Brave and The Bold is so good, introduced kid me to so many crazy characters I never would have experienced otherwise. Phenomenal MOTW show.
1:28 I would be immediately suspicious of the absence of an evil Snapper Carr, lol
I liked this episode. This series overall was always something to look forward to for a team up. (When it still meant something) I did like seeing the Red Hood in this episode. It was a fun concept to play with. There's still different things that could be done.
I remember when that first part came out. I missed it live so I watched it next day on the Cartoon Network website. R.I.P.
I liked how in the end, to take care of the bomb they just send it to a zombie earth. No living creatures there if they're zombies! (At least... that's how I remember happened...)
The problem with this series is that Diedrich Bader always sounded to me like he was trying to do a Kevin Conroy but had a cold...
I want that Joker laugh for my ringtone, lol!
I also can't help but think Red Hood's throwing spade having the "X" in it was a purposeful nod to Teen Titans's Red X character who I 100% believe was DC doing a test run of Jason returning to see how much people would like it. It feels like part of an interesting throughline that I've noticed where they're all weirdly connected:
- The Reaper: Main suit color is red with a hood-cloak/cape-combo
- The Phantasm: Has Reaper's gauntlet scythe, grim reaper motif, hood-cloak/cape-combo, someone from Bruce's past come back to "haunt him" (not literally or was the aim for Phantasm but still does the same effect for most of the movie)
- Red X: Has Phantasm's tattered suit look with it mostly black with a grey secondary color, the Reaper's grim reaper motif with the same skull mask design with no "jaw", one of his gadgets being wrist mounted razor blades (not exactly gauntlet scythe but still), & a possible ID being Jason coming back somehow
- Red Hood (B&tB): Has a red "X" on the throwing spade that's similar in design to Red X's...well..."X's"
- Red Hood (Jason): Same bit with Red X of using a red titled alter ego name to hide his identity and Jason being a possible candidate for who it was before it was revealed (wasn't revealed with Red X, but I'm confidant in saying it was Jason there too, with the added bit of "Jason was actually the first Robin, with their personalities somewhat switching, where Dick in the show is a lot more serious and slightly violent like Jason's modern depictions, and Jason on the flip-side was the more chill calm one like Nightwing")
Probably my favorite episode of the show
You had me at Batman: The Brave and the Bold… LOVED this show! Not many animated efforts demonstrate quite as much love for the lore and history of the Batman franchise and DC comics as a whole. They went with a lighter take on Batman, but that gave them the range to go dark when they needed to! So many people act as though BTAS/DCAU was the pinnacle of DC animation, and I adore DCAU! But they're wrong: DCAU wasn't as good as it gets. DCAU was the network begrudgingly and fans emphatically giving WB permission to really portray Batman, and not just Adam West's Batman, in a cartoon series.
What came after? The Batman. For all the blingbling and kid-friendly appearance, it's surprisingly competent and even apparent silliness like Batman vs. Dracula is WAY better than it has any right to be. BTBATB? Between this, Chill of the Night, the Starro invasion, B'wana Beast, Batman training Jaime Reyes, and Bat-Mite … Surprisingly not "just a kid's cartoon". Beware the Batman was experimental but IMO the CG wasn't up to the task-still cool. Young Justice? #SaveEarth16 (I don't care that it doesn't matter anymore. 😭) Harley Quinn's not my jam, but if you aren't taking that show seriously, you're more blind than I am…
As for this episode, I'm most eagerly awaiting your video on part two, because it goes hard in the second half!
Sasha 🦉 man, good, not good, never good 😂😂😂