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Mustang Mach-E Road Trip From Los Angeles to Colorado! A Better Experience On The Return Trip?
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Kyle heads back to Colorado in the Mustang Mach-E after the trip out west. Will this trip be easier than the one heading out to Cali? We'll see!
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Why doesn’t Ford set up dedicated high speed charging stations at their dealerships? They’d be easy to find and their dealerships are everywhere. Have a nice little lounge where people can relax while the car is charging.
Fuck this is so sensible your name suits your comments.
Thats probably because Ford wouldn't want ppl in there just to charge. It would probably be crowded which could strain their selling. Not to mention the amount of money they'd have to shell out to make the chargers alone would probably cut into their bottom line.
@@yamigokumixz people could browse the lot while charging.
That's way too rational
Probably the same reason they don’t have dedicated Ford Gas Stations.
I watched your 2 videos on this trip (and I subbed, thank you). It is shocking, but your 2 videos have impacted me enough were my 100% purchase of the Mustang Mach E this summer has almost totally changed to the Tesla, even if I have to buy a used one. Not many YT videos have ever had that impact on my life. I am not willing to go into my very first ev and have that rough edge strangeness on my dime. I'm not aggressive or bashing, but open eyed enough to put the brakes on my purchase. I'm thanking you, but what an about face I wasn't expecting at all! Thumbs up on these 2 videos for sure 👍👍👍
I watched hundreds of videos (including many of Kyle's) like this over a two year period before concluding that Tesla was the only choice for me. Very pleased with my Tesla, but always like to stay informed on the other guys. The Mach-E looks like a fine car, but they have a LOT of sorting left to do on their software and DC fast-charging. It will get sorted eventually.
Don’t believe all this . Kyle made it worse than it is
@@markfitzpatrick6692 So you're saying that he faked all the connection and failures and charging problems that he actually showed us in the two videos? And the Mustang really shows the charging speeds in the car and doesn't plan a route, using Level 2 chargers, that want you to stop for 8+ hours to charge and that it shows the cities, in the list, where the chargers are located on the planned route? Or that you can't use Ford's plug-and-charge feature and use your EA lower membership discount rate at the same time? Or that it doesn't drop to 12kW when it reaches 80%? Etc, etc. etc.
You won't be sorry with a Tesla. There are a lot of reasons they have the best consumer satisfaction rating.
@@PhilT993 no dont put words in my mouth. Some things like when you know plug and charge doesnt work use the app the rest of trip out and back and not go on and on about it. He chose to keep unplugging all the time when it wasn’t needed just to get a momentary speed boost. It makes the viers blame the network when it isn’t the network all the time. Until the update use the app to charge and see speed
These charging issues are absurd. What happens when a non UA-camr with zero experience runs into a problem? They just get stranded, I can’t imagine Ford will have a roadside service fleet to help people.
You learn as you go, you get more experience, I had to learn it.
@@mamadouaziza2536 I agree with Chis, as a car fan first and a petrol head second, charging should be frictionless, it really should be plug and play. As with most industries where disrupters appear, the incumbents need to raise their game or face irrelevance, and I fear the later is happening here. It seems only Porsche is doing a good job in carrying the torch for the establishment.
@@Stushbush 100% this, Tesla has been able to do this from the start with barely any problems and "Porsche is doing a good job in carrying the torch for the establishment." is definitely true, you shouldn't have to buy a $80-250k sports car for your charging to work.
@@Stushbush
No need for the dramatics..
This car will be fine. Some chargers work and others don't at EA. As more people use the chargers the more EA will monitor the chargers and immediately fix issues.. A lot of these chargers just sit idle for days or weeks.
@@mamadouaziza2536 so it comes down to EA being a disorganized mess.
I love road trips videos like this. Not only do I get to spend time in the car but I get to see your fantastic country in ways that a tourist would not normally see.
That’s for sure, you get to spend allot of time in the Mustang. Especially when trying to get it charged. 😅
"Honey, can you cook up some popcorn please. Kyle just uploaded another beauty road trip !"
I find it odd that you remain so jovial with all these charging issues. The fact that you have Tesla charging experience, yet remain so calm is bewildering. On my 3rd Model S since 2015; I never experienced any issues with supercharging throughout Canada-USA. This video is the best Tesla commercial!
Same here. I've had my 2015 Model S for 2 years and while it maxes out at 110kw, I can count on my fingers the number of times I've plugged in a bad supercharger. Plus with superchargers, you know instantly when there's a problem, as they either charge or fail within 10 seconds. At this point, it's clear the plug and play is awful and not working, so at least his app swipe is more reliable, but the charging curve is the worst. With Tesla and Porsche, you can do cannonball road trips with only 15-20 minute charging stops. Not with the Mach-E.
I learned a lot from this video. Thanks for taking the time to record and comment along the way. My take away is that I'm definitely not ready for an EV. When I road trip in my fossil fuel beast, I only have to worry about driving. What you went through would triple the stress. I'll have to wait until the technology matures - a lot.
Tesla has none of these issues.
Yea this is a ford issue
… or buy a Tesla .
I often wonder why Ford and GM never made charging infrastructure like Tesla did. Now I think it’s obvious, so no one will want to buy a EV. They can keep making gas cars, that’s where their real revenue comes from.
This videos are very good, but a suggestion. Overlays of route and charging statistics (how long it took, kwh gained, peaking charging speed, etc) is valuable information. Maybe a trip summary at the end too. You're putting in lots of valuable time to educate the audience, so thank you for that.
You can’t beat Bjorn videos
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Yeah Bjorn's on another level. I started watching Bjorn to learn about electric vehicles, like their charging speeds, terminology, efficiency, etc. I feel prepared to make an informed transition into EVs when the time is right. Out of Spec Motoring is basically doing that with these road trips for the American audience, but would love to see more technical information presented!
I find the vehicle so intriguing but the charging problems would drive me nuts.
This is why I bought a Tesla Y. Sticker shock went away when I calculated how much gas and maintenance my old 2007 Outback was costing me!
It’s the smoothest experience of any car I’ve driven. This thing is a smartphone compared to flip phones.
It’s just ludicrously nice to be in. A hundred little quality of life improvements that you wonder why all cars don’t have.
@@CraigTemple Could you carry a couple extra batteries and jumper cables in the back to extend the range?
Me too.. definitely make me think twice or wait one more year
@@DannyWalker247 Actually yes, there is a portable charging sustem. But, why would I want to?
If there were no superchargers, hotels, third party fast chargers, free chargers, RV campgrounds, or electrical outlets, AND I was fool enough to ignore all the warnings and automatic calculated charging stops my car provides (a lot more than an ICE car provides), I could STILL get towed to charge by any vehicle on the road. 🤷♂️
Range anxiety is something you have BEFORE you get a Tesla.
And while we’re asking smug AF smartass questions… can you wake up to a full tank of juice every day from your solar panels? 🤣
And you had fairly good weather. Imagine doing all that plugging and unplugging in a rain storm. In fact CAN you charge safely in rain?
I could not imagine staying as calm as you with all these errors. Hope Ford can figure this out
Its not Ford or the car, its EA chargers.. I mean do you blame the car if there are errors within the chargers?
@@mamadouaziza2536 How are you certain it's EA? I had an error at a charging station and couldn't get the station to work. A VW pulled up and got it to work fine. I'm not saying it's not EA...perhaps both Ford and EA need to figure out why there's more friction than anyone would like.
This guy really doesn't need to be anywhere so he can play with that electric toy all day long. He is trying to make a living off of people's interest in eVehicles.
Hate to sound like a Tesla fan girl but what a charging mess. This doesn’t help EV adoption 😕
Don't know if its a EA thing or a Mustang thing but at least in Europe the CCS charging sessions are pretty smooth
@@GaudiHitByTram Yeah, looking at Bjorn’s experience in Norway using Ionity, Mer, Circle K, etc. and all the third party public DC fast chargers it does seem like Europe DCFC performs 99% flawlessly, like what Tesla is able to achieve.
100 miles per leg for a 1000 mile trip is ridiculous. I'm exhausted just watching the video. It doesn't look good for EA that the ID4 apparently works better on their system than non-VW brands.
@@dmiller9786 I go 400 miles a tank in my Ford Edge. I could have been way down the road while he was fooling around in some Walmart parking lot with that charging mess. And those charging stations look like a good place to get robbed.
@@2013AirForce Europe also standardized on CCS2, I wish we would be as sensible
Kyle, you need to carry a pair of binoculars in the car so that you can read the charging station screen when you're sitting in the car.
🤣😂
No he doesn’t the app shows the charge rate he doesn’t use the functon
@Jimmy Edward it does for me I use it all the time you just need to know how to use the app and a lot of this negativity could be prevented in these videos
Would be interesting to see you drive the Mach-E away from EA chargers (ND, SD, MN, etc) and see how painful it would be to rely on other 3rd party chargers.
@@mikeb1039 he’s on a road trip...what garage is he gonna plug into?
I avoid EA as a leaf plus driver, its usually a nice card tap and charge. Good ol chademo
get a MYPOD teardrop, and stay at an RV park
I'm glad you put these videos together. Guess I will be waiting before getting one of these Mach-Es. Charging issues aside, 100 miles at a time is nuts.
I’m researching this one because I’m considering reserving the 2022 F150 lightning electric truck. I’d love to be able to take it on a long trip now and then looks like I’m going to have to wait on the charging infrastructure to grow and improve.
A car designed for BPH sufferers.
@@user-wj4mc9sp8f lolz!!!
I'm old school....I like the old Mustang's ! That being said...like someone on this blog said "I'm a car guy first"...so I believe in the future there will be room for everybody ! Gas and Electric !!
We just canceled from getting a Mustang Mach E after watching your two road trip videos. We cannot get a car with such an unreliable charging experience. We do not want a Tesla and may need to wait for a more reliable charging experience to be rolledout. Thank you for posting these videos and saving us potential hell on road trips. I'd flip out if having to plug in up to seven times at one location.
Why not into a Tesla?
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry Not sure, not a big fan of Tesla although a lot of people are. I'm looking at the new Kia.
@@barryvanorden9260 I'm just curious about what puts you off about Tesla. If it's price, I totally get it. Their cheapest offering now is at about 40k before any state rebates. If the new infrastructure bill goes through, it'll be about 10k off. So you'd basically get a car that can 1000 miles for $30 in electric if charged at home, with the speed of a sports car, while being the safest car ever made, and most efficient. Their charging network is robust. It's like when cellphones started, the only thing that mattered was the reach and reliability of the network. That's pretty much where we are now. Tesla is the only game in town so long as the overall charging network that isn't Tesla made continuous to be as wonky as it is.
@@GoogleDoesEvil that's only for the high power chargers. Most people charge 99% of the time at home for about $30 a month to go 1000 miles.
Great video! it would be great to see a trip summary, miles traveled, number of charging stops, how long each stop took in minutes and total charge time for miles traveled! Just reserved the Ford f150 lighting most likely use for local travel!
I just took my first ever EV road trip in my own Mach e (incidentally I hit A LOT of the same chargers as Kyle along the I-15).
And I've gotta say I think Kyle had unique struggles. Using the EA app I had a near perfect charging experience. Not perfect, but close.
Watching Bjorn Nyland’s road trips really make me feel that the US non-Tesla charging network is way behind Europe, well at least Norway. I’d really like to be able to recommend something other than a Tesla EV but charging issues like this would make it difficult for non tech savvy people. An 8 hour charging stop recommended by the car is crazy.
Although you might certainly be right about the discrepancy between Europe and US in terms of non-Tesla charging infrastructure, the problems featured in this and the previous video mostly or completely stem from the car's software issues... would probably be the same in Europe is what I'm saying.
@@davidsommen1324 I disagree. If you've watched his previous videos he has had issues with many many chargers across many parts of the US. It's not just the Ford's issue, but also EA and their chargers/software.
Keep in mind that we don't have plug and charge here in Europe yet. Kyle didn't have problems on the way back when he used the app.
I seem to remember that the Polestar gave Bjorn some trouble but everything else seems to work. The UK reviewers seem to have a terrible time with non Tesla
I I seem to remember the Bjorn had trouble with the Polestar but everything else is seamless The UK reviewers seem to have even more trouble than Kyle is having except of course at Tesla superchargers which works perfectly in the UK as they do here
For a person who hates and can barely use a smart phone, this is a nightmare of a science project. Absolutely convinced me that we are a long way from electric auto convenience and usage. At age 19, in 1957, I drove my 1953 Mercury from LA to NY with stopping for gas, checking the oil, water, and on-my-way. Someone tell me this electric trip was more convenient.
I have find excuses to get out and walk for exercise. I can get about 7000 steps for every hour I walk. Someone should build strip malls around these chargers to take advantage of the idol time people will have while charging. An electrified world is going to change even to way we shop, it’s mind blowing!
Holy crap I cant imagine living like this with the poor charging. Im a big petrol head, and i honestly know EV is the future, but man I hope things get a lot more efficient with non Tesla EVs soon
You're using the term "bricking" to incorrectly describe a software glitch. Bricking indicates a corruption of firmware or ROM severe enough to prevent a device from booting.
The key point is an irreversible (by normal customer-accessible means) transition into a non-working state. Allowing the 12V battery to discharge to the point where the car won't start and the doors (and access to the 12V battery) don't open qualifies as "bricking" in my book, although it's not as bad as "traction battery permanently damaged by complete discharge", I suppose.
@@levenkay4468 That's not what he was talking about but you're still wrong about the 12VDC battery being dead as bricking the vehicle. The vehicle interior is accessible as is the front trunk. The 12VDC battery can be recharged by several means including the cigarette lighter adapter using an appropriately wired small battery charger.
What difference does it make what you call it ? It still sucks why would anyone with any sense buy a electric car ? Stopping to recharge at a 138 miles is ridiculous.
Great vid thanks! I have been looking for a Premium RWD with ext battery option in Atlanta. The mark ups are crazy. One dealer wanted MSRP plus $7,000, $599 for a protection package and $699 for paperwork. A second dealer wanted MSRP plus $2,000, $1542 for a "protection package already on the car" and $899 for paperwork. That puts the price in the range of a model Y.
You are doing all of us a big favor by sharing your road trip experience. A Ford Mustang would be a pain to take on a long road trip for the average person. Seems to me that if you stick with everyday urban/suburban driving where you can charge overnight, the Mustang would be no problem. But we are still early in this transition, and with time the technology should get better, making it possible to take long trips without the fear of becoming stranded. The best solution for those that drive long distances would be to get a plug-in hybrid for the immediate future.
Agreed. Yet, these problems appear to be software glitches. If so, they will be worked out in a relatively short time (
Just ordered my Mach e GT 2 weeks ago, Lord please let them fix these charging issues for the 2022s! I couldn’t deal with that
This is the best thing to put on your second monitor while you work. It's like lofi hiphop radio with charging station frustrations mixed in lol
Thank you EV Dave for buying this car and allowing Kyle to do all the testing to share. For those that haven’t checked out his UA-cam channel, you are missing out!
Love the sunny optimistic outlook you convey. It is so true that we can do without fossil fuels and the dangerous aspects of petrol (gas) and diesel engines that pollute the environment and cause illness.
Some questions you may have answered but I missed the answers; 1. Distance between charging stations, 2. Speed at which the car was traveling 3. Altitude gains or losses between stations 4. Cost of each recharge and 5. Actual time spent recharging. Thanks for the answers to these and for these informative videos.
"Research, folks, research". Wise words indeed!!
I don't think people want to do research to go on a couple hundred mile road trip. I am driving up to Georgia next week for a wedding and I will use navigation for about the last 25 miles or so. That is all the tech I care to use.
@@DannyWalker247 Hi Danny, the research we are referring to is before you buy the car to make sure it is the best choice for you. I did over a year of research, mostly on UA-cam, before deciding that a Tesla as opposed to any non-Tesla, was the best choice for me. I bought a 2021 Long Range Model 3 in December and am very pleased with it. I did my first 1000 mile trip last weekend and it was completely effortless and fun.
@@PhilT993 Glad you like your Tesla. I will probably buy one myself when they get the range up to 400 miles but right now I am sticking with my Ford Edge.
I really appreciate this video. Profoundly demonstrated over and over again ad nauseam how little patience I would have for this.
Sure seems like the public are doing the beta testing for Ford with this vehicle. These types of reports will do nothing but increase Telsa Model Y sales. Did love the video from Mesquite to St George.... beautiful scenery.
But its not the car's fought that EA has charging issues. Kyle did not try other public charges..
Tesla had problems with the s when it came out. Kyle is too fixated on the charging speed. The app shows the speed he didn’t know how to useit
My thoughts exactly. Ford didn't even bother to have their engineers do real road tests like this.
@@mamadouaziza2536 Tell that to the father who has to convince his wife and 3 kids in the back that MAYBE it'll charge after 3rd or 4th charging stall failure. Honey, don't blame Ford, it's EA's fault! Yeah, that'll go well with the wife.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 Watch his previous road trip. He says in the video the app does not show the charging speeds. Ford must've added it. I'm willing to bet Kyle is a very very smart dude based on his previous video reviews.
who the heck wants to wait around for those charging times on long trips? its ridiculous. no one has time for that
What a pain to charge. Another reason why we love our two Tesla’s. NEVER A PROBLEM CHARGING!
Right? Remember that time you took a road trip in a Tesla, had to swap stalls 3 times, unplug and replug 6 times and delete the app each time to stopped.....oh wait.
I would love to see you guys do a realistic road trip. Add a wife with a one year old baby, and another 3 year old. Also, add luggage and a cooler. The video will be an instant comedic classic. Pro tip: Don't let her bring any weapons with her.
I own the red MME 4X and love it. Looks great, outside & inside. Surround sound is amazing. Lane centering is awesome. Charge at home each night and have the equivalent of ⅔ full gas tank each morning (250 miles). For long trips, however, I take my old ICE car which is more convenient than any EV. Why make a long trip even longer? I’ll wait for 5 minute 0-100% charging before using an EV for long trips.
Sounds like a practical plan, if you can afford two vehicles. Alternately, one might rent an ICE vehicle for infrequent long trips.
I thought it might be a good idea to read a book during these long charging sessions and remembered that In the old days before high-speed internet, I would read several pages of a book while waiting for a web page to load. Road-tripping in a Mach-e vs. the family CR-V would be like going to dial-up from high-speed internet.
I'd love to see how cross-country trips are redefined with the 500+ mile range EVs coming out, including the Tesla Plaid+, Cybertruck, and Lucid Air. Good stuff.
To me, 300 miles is good enough. The issue is the speed of charge. We need to get to the point where you can charge in 10 minutes or less. Charging for an hour is simply unacceptable. The good thing is, most people are doing this types of road trips often. The last time I traveled more than 300 miles had to have been 10 years ago! But to get to the point where nobody can complain, we need to get to the point where you're in and out in under 10 minutes.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 As long as it's a true 300 miles, then I can agree. I know some vehicles lose their range significantly in the winter or on the highway.
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Yep. The Taycan, despite having a relatively short range, is one of the fastest road tripping EVs because of how fast it charges. It better be though its $$$. Also kind of at the mercy of the charging companies and 350 chargers.
The CyberTruck will never get produced !!!
At this point and part 1 my wife would leave me a pillow and blanket, take the phone for Uber to the nearest airport and GOODBYE. See you at home if you get there.
I'm going to have to hold on to my Camry Hybrid for a while. These charging problems and range limitations are a deal buster for now. Looking forward to watching EV cars progress though.
Excellent choice, Hybrids are the much better decision then any EV.
Kyle, thanks for taking the time to capture, edit, and share the content. We love our Mach E and have charged it at home or regionally with a community 50kWh charger with zero problems. Hoping some of the EA charging difficulty is worked out before the summer trips we have planned. Charing consistently at 150 kWh and a bit longer in the curve would sure help on long road trips.
Would be interesting to see a "race" between this and a Tesla cross country. See how much time difference these charging networks affect long road trips.
Coming up next week!
Good one
Kyle will hate me to mention Bjorn Nyland but he does 1000km [620ml] tests on everything in Norway and indeed Teslas top the table in shortest times across their range. However a few of the big German models are now coming closer. Bjorn films in English of course, however do note the DC charging network in Norway is much denser than the US [or even the UK] so he can optimise the trip in a very fine grained way. No sign of Plug and Charge in Europe yet...
A (real) test. Not one where a group of engineers are following your whole trip. Sheesh
Your cheerful personality is very much needed when you have this ford EV.
IMO -- Tesla is still the way to go..... that is until Electrify America and ev's like Ford's can clean up the software and make long drive charging as smooth and quick just like Tesla currently does.
I've also experienced this app issue on my VW app when I charge my 2016 eGolf back in the day... I was so glad I only leased it -- and eventually switched to the flawless tesla ev charging eco system.
I highly agree with a recent comment about the charging issues, especially the hour long time to charge each stop, even on a level 3 charger. There isn't a remote start on the key fob, you'll need to set up and use your cell phone. That's nuts. And the tough time with billing it. Soooo inconvenient. I really wanted to like this car. Great vid tho. Love all the views of the mountains and plains.
that is why got a plug in hybrid for the wife. when we went to the Syracuse mall all the spots were takin up with SUVs and security would not do anything about it. luckily had gas.
You have amazing patience! I would have put my fist through the charger 10 times by now!
Excellent video, thank you. Electrify America, Ford, VW and other EV manufacturers really have to make the whole charging experience seamless and simple. It has to be like filling up with gas. You arrive at a charging station, plug in, charge and leave. There are not too many people who really understand kW/hr charging rates and will not be bothered to learn. All of the quirks and pitfalls have to be ironed out. Thank you for showing us that EVs aren't ready for prime time. It'll come but it's going to take time.
I hope you reached out to Ford about the Radar/ Adaptive Cruise Control issue. That's pretty serious, and as you said, sometimes radars get blinded in bad weather, but every other automaker throws a dashboard warning when it happens. You even have footage of it, which can really help their engineers figure out what went wrong.
Watching these videos, especially for the charging experience makes me realize my mom would already lose it with the public charging. Going to keep at least 1 roadtrip gas car as long as possible just for the convenience and ease of mind that non-Tesla EV charging doesn't offer yet.
Those charging prices are insane compared to gas prices wow
Yeah. A nice used diesel Passat with low miles is a MUCH better option at these prices.
It’s $4.25 a gallon here in west coast.
@@27Zangle only if you use these stations for all of your charging needs
I live on the East Coast and OMG I crave some JitB whenever I got to the West Coast....which has been precisely twice. You don't know what you've been missing.
The closest thing we have here is maybe Checkers.
Tesla owner here. I do like the Mach-E quite a bit. No way I'd buy one and go through this to charge though. Traditional car manufacturers don't understand the importance of a reliable, easy charging experience. Ford could have tested their software/handshake and various charging networks so Mach--E buyers didn't have to go through this. Not being able to see charge rate in car is terrible design as well.
Yeah not seeing charge rate in car is amazingly poor design. Their ford pass app is equally as terrible. It will tell you the rate but it's on a delay and can take up to 45 minutes to tell you the real speeds. Ford made a nice car but you can tell they are not a software company. Very disappointed buyer.
I had to think about what he meant when he said that a Tesla would charge slowly at 40 degrees F. I took a 2800 mile round trip journey in Dec-Jan and it was in the upper 30s most of the way. I never experienced slow charging. Then I remembered: the car automatically preconditions for supercharging - it’s so easy that I forgot.
Tesla really should sponsor these videos. The charging experience is draining.
Whenever I see US drivers overtaking trucks on the right side lane I get the chills 3:33. Awesome drive though. Love the video
The thing is, I don't even own a car and if I'm going on a road trip, I just rent one. So this doesn't affect me at all. By the time Hertz has electric at most of their locations then charging issues will be resolved. For the average car owner, they only drive less than 30 miles a day. Probably they will charge at home.
I’d love to see summaries of these road trips, how much time was spent charging and what the total cost was.
Yeah why the scenery is highlighted??? Uhhh? Just say road trip.
If he does that, nobody will buy electric cars.
@@alfredpissi4718 idk abt that. For a commuter car, electric sounds really nice, especially with the 7,500 tax credit
@@cakearmy_maxgaming6346 Sounds nice to you paying $.43/kwh or waiting for two hours to charge 40% of the battery? I'll keep my Rogue.
@@cakearmy_maxgaming6346 Biden killed the tax credit and now charges taxes on electric cars.. What this guy failed to mention is the extended range battery is an extra 18,500
Fantastic these impressive, wide landscapes. Following this road trip was really a great pleasure!
I myself have been using an i3 for three years for commuting and regional trips. For this purpose, I consider EVs to be practical without reservation. But if you are constantly driving long distances and under time pressure, you better wait for the spread of 800V systems that allow charging with 250kW and more.
Here in Switzerland with the many high mountains and hills, the recuperation (regen) effect is enormously high. It is sometimes unbelievable how much energy is recovered by this. Also the immediate full torque of BEV is a huge advantage when going uphill.
The way the wording on the FordPass Charging Network terms of service is written it's very likely that Ford will sell their own charging (probably at lower rates)
instead of allowing you to link your EA pass to Plug and Charge. It refers to the kWh bundle in such a way that they will probably sell kWh bundles that work just like the free 250/500 kWh bundle worked
Sorry, I'll stick with my hybrid for a few more years. 20 minuets to get everyone pee break, refuel and grab snacks and drinks equals 400 plus range.
Completely agree with you Kyle, Ford/EA should have fixed the ability to associate Pass+ with Plug&Charge.
Loving the road trips.
Thanks for watching!
Yup
Ok I apologize, for complaining about the music , it wasn't super invasive . That car has a beautiful colour . The whole trip like a pita in that car .
12:26 you almost said it, almost 😅
Don’t worry I won’t tell Doug 😆
I stopped myself!!
Then I'll get it out on the..asphalt...
I drive a Tesla Model Y, it gets 303 miles (EPA, but lets be honest, its less, but more than any Mach-e) and I NEVER have to worry about charging. the routing is perfect, and you just plug it in. I never stress about it at all. it just works. It also takes elevation and weather into account. Thats big. In Barstow, for example, there are 16 superchargers, I think? I prefer Baker where there are (lol) no exaggeration.. 40 chargers. Electrifyamerica is a joke. Id hate to be on that network.
The Kia Niro DOES have battery preconditioning, but only on models with the Winter Package (Which is usually standard in cold weather states like Colorado) which includes heat pump, battery heater, and heated steering wheel. You have to enable "Winter Mode" in the on board computer to enable the battery preconditioning.
Yep I don't think he does he research that well - and I am happy with waiting 50 minutes at a charger - My Bolt EV does fine and battery dedgergation is unknown in the Porsche
I love these road trip videos!
Got my out of spec fix! Thanks for the singularly positive and entertaining experience.
This video is excellently focused on charging while on a road trip. But the big story is the failure of adaptive cruse control in bad weather. Ford better fix that before someone is injured!
Ha, I know! That was pretty bad.
Love your road trip videos. Please please please do one of these road trip videos with an ID.4
ID.4 Road trips will happen soon!
@@OutofSpecMotoring Sweet, thank you
That charging is more expensive per mile in that little car than my full size truck is, having to worry about charging a car for 15 minutes every 80 miles and whether you are going to get there because you are going up or down hill...wtf...Congrats, this video has convinced me that atleast my next 2-3 vehicles will be gas powered...
Always great to see long range trip charging issues shown. "All EVs do this" (coldgating) - you will find some do not mind lower temps (Leaf, for example, very happy @40°F).
50kw chargers are actually being installed, what a waste of material and time and energy and space.
Try it. You won't make money on a 50 it's a service for local customers . Think what a 350/150 install would cost with monthly standby utility fees. No-one will use them and pay more than a home charge unless they have to.
@@JohnRoss1 people that are traveling. wasnt kyle, traveling?
@@mts982 The volume isn't there yet. There aren't enough people doing road trips on EVs yet. Any 3rd party network would lose money trying to install a fast charger at the moment.
@@ymcpa73 uh, theres faster chargers than 50kw.
@@ymcpa73 did you even watch the video?
Please tell us how much time you spent charging. Low long was the return trip overall? What was the total cost spent charging?
Kyle, great video, love your road trips. You are blessed with amazing scenery. Thanks for beta testing the car and US charging network!
That snow on the radar cruise sensor causing car to not slow down: My 2019 Prius (XW50) does exactly the same thing in snow/moderately heavy rain.
21:52 That's pretty crazy. Lawsuit waiting to happen!
Insane!! Ford is going to get sued big time, because people will die from this.
Trailblazer! Thanks for the post and someday our kids will probably get 1,000 miles on a battery!
Electrify America stations work 10x more reliably today vs when this video was made, thank goodness...at least on the east coast where I live.
Most people: There is 400 miles to go on the 2nd day of the road trip so I'm going to do whatever it takes to fully charge the car overnight. Either only stay at a hotel with level 2 charging or a hotel close to a fast charger where I can plug it in, relax in the hotel and come back when it is fully charged. The 2nd day I can drive until noon then plug into a fast charger, have lunch and wait until there is a charge enough to make it home so only one charge on the 2nd day.
UA-camr: Plug into a 110 outlet, walk away and not check if it's charging.
Great video. Any additional commentary on the actual driving experience? I'm looking at going EV for my commute to work - will be charging at home - 50 miles round trip per day - very interested in the Mach-e. Appreciate all your road trips and work on EVs !
Plenty of videos on Out of Spec Reviews on this topic
Tesla should be paying you to keep making these videos 😂
Ford really needs to pay attention to charging problems or they will negatively affect the Mustang Mach E brand. There is no excuse for not fixing software issues. If Electrify America cannot fix the issues, Ford needs a backup plan. A 15 to 20 second delay for plug-and-charge points to terrible software design. You can download this entire video faster that plug-and-charge and authorize. That is a huge user experience problem.
Could you please do a review of Apple Maps EV routing with the Mach E?
So good to see u again, TfL shoulda gave u shares. Never give up. U will make this channel Huge. Love watching ur videos.
I'd like to see a road trip with the id4,
there are a few out there. Seems like VW nailed charging curve and is avoiding all these Mustang issues.
Im an EV fanboy, not a Tesla fanboy, but damn it is SO easy to just supercharge and go on a roadtrip. I can't see myself switching brands until it's as reliable as the Supercharger network, and that sucks because I really would love a Rivian SUV or Hummer (base), but I can't go from insanely easy charging while road-tripping to issues like these.
I'll now stick to my Prius Prime with about 600 miles to a full tank. I've driven to Niagara Falls in the winter and everything went smooth. About 540 miles to the tank during that trip. Hybrids rock! The cost per fill up I believe is less than EV charging, in my opinion.
As always love the road trips. Charging with anything but Tesla seems sketchy atm 😂. I am sure they will get it worked out. Good work as always 👍.
I thought so too, until they cannonballed with the Porsche Taycan. That worked beautifully with the exception of a longer hand shake time vs Tesla.
Kyle also did a road trip with the Hyundai Kona and it was flawless, albeit with a 75kw max charging rate set by Hyundai. The Hyundai Ionic 5 promises to fix that problem with 18 minute charging times from 5-80%.
Great video, but damn, making a road trip in an EV is seriously painful. So many stops... so many LONG stops. I mean I could have down that trip in my Toyota Tacoma with two 5 minute stops.
I agree it is dangerous to continue with cruise control if can't fully function with poor weather/visibility. At a minimum it should disconnect cruise control and let the human take over. I did notice in the video at 23:12 there is a warning on the display "Pre-Collision Assist not available Sensor blocked". That message should be more persistent to let you know you are in danger.
The fact that tailwinds and climbs have to come into the conversation of traveling is ridiculous. Truly. I LOVE EVs, but its just bewildering.
So glad you are showing me to buy Tesla! I wouldn't have time to manage the charging of the new fleet of ecars that are entering the market. Great channel and enjoy the information.
So, umm after watching the adventure of purchasing a Mach-E just before this and now confirming the time lost on a trip is far greater than when we were limited to 55 back in the '70's, seeing that the charging systems are proprietary enough to mess with your trip just a bit more and knowing an EV practical enough to make a trip like this costs more up front than almost any 2 of my 50 working years, I should get onboard the EV train because....?
Whew. The infrastructure for ev’s needs to increase big time. Tesla is brilliant if they allow others to charge on the Supercharger via an app. Curious what restrictions they will have in place for those users.
It will increase but remember Tesla had a model s with no network across country
Have loved seeing the Mach E's roadtrip and charging complications. Will we see an ID.4 roadtrip too? :)
ID.4 will be the most trippy car. 😁
Thanks. Very informative.
Wow. The radar cruise control not shutting off or braking in minor inclement weather is extremely worrying, given how much people are prone to not pay attention to the road when they have lane keep and radar cruise active. Wonder what ford's response to this issue would be, can you reach out to them for comment?
Also, the charging issues... even REGARDLESS of the charging errors, just the awful charge curve and dropping to at trickle charge once above 79% is absurd.
After viewing your video on the id4 and now the Mustang, I think I will keep with my first choice Tesla. Maybe I should wait for the 1.x version of each. Great two videos.