Remember this however: the wire harness runs up through the steering head and behind the mask on most bikes. Wires can break from bending even on the STOCK steering stop setting, let alone if you flex them even farther. A little TLC in this area with wire routing might save you from a bike that's suddenly blowing fuses or not running.
For those running a steering stabilizer, removing the stops can destroy your stabilizer, causing the lever arm of the stabilizer to become your steering stop... Not built for that... FYI
This is actually affected more by front fork rake (caster) rather then how far your bars turn..... The steeper your fork angle the less camber roll you get on your front tire when you turn your bars to lock... Thus creating a tighter turning radius while the bike is standing straight up. Edit: I personally prefer the longer Fork rake and just power my front tire up off the ground and turn around on my back wheel. The longer Fork rake gives me better high-speed stability
that´s not a good advice. those bolts r there for a reason and not only for stopping the forks touchin the radiators. when you´r riding in a fast section, and the front hits something and you get a big "jimmy" the bolts prevent the wheel from turning too much so it won´t slip off crossed on the trail. that´s a very difficult point to bring the bike back(like non return point XD), an almost shure, hard drop. ...but then again, if Graham Jarvis said it... just keep this in mind when you go fast!
I second the comment on the wiring harness issues. If you do this without supporting your stock wiring harness at the heck, it will crack and start cutting/breaking wires right at the neck.
That’s cause Gram is a prodigy and has more experience than all of us combined, so he can handle it. 90% of your viewership/subs will wipe out hard and hurt themselves with that advice. I’d never ever do this as a recreational rider. If I’m not getting paid to ride, it’s not worth the risk, like you said the stop is there for a reason. Just my opinion, love your content brother.
You should measure the front end rake degrees. It has a big impact on turning circle. Could play with it by sliding forks up in the clamp and raising rear suspension for testing.
On my Beta I got bolts from work that allowed me to get as much lock as possible without hitting radiators. I made friend's wince when I took a 12 inch adjustable wrench to the radiator guards to clearance the fork legs. :)
Thank for the tip. NOTE - The 2019 XC does not have removable bolts there anymore. There is just a metal stop bar. I haven't checked the clearance to the radiator yet. If there is clearance, the bar could be ground down on both sides.
Thankx for sharing kyle!..heres how i see it for trials /enduro type riding..fantastic tip dirt bike gold..Gncc/desert racing..no differance...mx..seems like you would get to far crossed up easy.. making it hard to land straight.. or maybe you. land still crossed a little.. making it hard to find a rut or brake eventually leaving lumps on your skull...
Brianna Lynn, perhaps if you were too heavy on the throttle or not slipping the clutch enough. You can lean a bike over pretty far to tighten up a turn. Practice turns at full lock, then start to lean the bike over, it’s a good skill to try and master. ua-cam.com/video/ejIN8vJq1Nw/v-deo.html
Went to take 'em out on my '19 xc the day I got it... and SURPRISE (Welded)! Way wider turning radius than my 15 xc. I have a little space between the Bulletproof radiator guards and the forks, maybe I will try the grinder, but there is no going back with the welded stops!
Holgrinator nice suggestion 👍 I would never hate more radius of travel in the steering, I’m just worried about hitting my rads when the bike is rolling back down the hill 🤣
They should come out of the factory fit for purpose. For what they cost they should be spot on. Incredibly Beta make trials bikes that turn real sharp but these enduro bikes make the Titanic look nimble.
My bike has always turned really tight. After hearing about this from some othe videos I started to pay a little bit more attention. My bike is a KLX and has no adjustable end stops. But on further inspection I noticed that the stops had been sheared off the triple clamps. So I have been riding like this for who knows how many years and never realised I could turn sharper than everyone else. 🤣
It would be nice if manufacturers listed the turning radius in the specifications, or do they and I just haven’t noticed? I believe car makers do this. This weekend I’m going to to measure mine, it would be interesting to know how they compare brand to brand and year to year.
Yeah it helps with turning but they're there so when you fall over you don't damage your $1000 forks! They add extra clearance because when you fall over it puts extra stress on everything and if you only have a 1/16 of clearance the forks may still hit the radiator. I see it like the guy who designed those steering stops is smarter than me and I shouldn't mess with it. Guy probably went to college for that lol.
One thing to consider is Jarvis does not have to pay for or fix his bikes. Average Joe may want to consider that before doing this trick. Good to get the info out there, each person can decide if the tighter turning radius is worth the risk.
Such good information.... Too bad our bikes would need some pretty severe modifications to the frame and/or lower triple clamp due to them being streamline Kawasaki and Honda bikes. Thank you so much for sharing tho!!! 👊😎
I have asked this on several videos and have never got a response. Does anyone have any recommendations for a torque wrench for dirt bikes? I just ordered my first bike and want to but one for it.
I don't feel like I ever hit my steering stops in normal riding, even doing switchbacks. I need to practice full lock turns because even trying it's hard to hold full lock in a turn. Do you still think this tip is relevant for my riding?
Because he is a professional he can do it, yes it helps, but it's very dangerous and if you crash your forks are at a worse angle to bend instead of straightening out, there there to protect the bike from getting damaged. KTM/BETA is also the only brand that has removable ones, the big 4 have ones that are a part of the frame. Just be careful when doing this if you crash at full lock you wheel won't want to streten out due to rake and angle, it's going to want to bend
Not sure I buy this argument. In a crash, your bars, triple clamps, and forks are much more likely to be damaged than the frame just because you took the stops out. It's literally the same force being applied to the frame - there just isn't a bolt between it and the triples.
@@WASemiHardEnduro angles, if your wheel is straight it will roll, if your wheel is at a 90 degree it will not roll, the closer you get to that 90 degree the closer you are from bending shit, imagine hitting a jump on a BMX bike and landing with the wheel at a 90 degree on a dirtbike that stopper stops you from turning past the point of that "turn too far", removing the bolt does give you more angle and the pros out weigh the cons but if you turn too far past the steering stopper your past the angle to roll straight and shit can bend/ break. I hope I'm explaining that well
There is alot of R/D that goes into where that steering stopper is rather than how close to the radiators the forks are. Just putting my degree to use by stating an opinion
Anyone who had had full speed tank slappers would disagree with the (if you wheel turns so hard it's hitting the stops your going down) notion. If you ride over 50 on dirt frequently youle of had some tank slappers you rode out. You couldn't of shit a toothpick at that moment, but you didn't go down. Chances of riding that out have to be considerably slimmer with those stops out. Other than higher speeds it probably works great thoe.
Hey I love your videos, keep up the great work! I have a question however, how come you never do reviews on Shercos or GasGas bikes? Do they match the performance of a Beta or KTM?
ktm engineers really have to much beer at lunch. They should at least test stuff before selling. My ktm power parts radiator guards didn't allowed full steering . Glad i had a precision tool around. A hammer solved that!
OK . It's called tuning and reading your I wner manual /just open your eyes !! Can't believe so many people are this dang uninformed. I just can't believe it.
Remember this however: the wire harness runs up through the steering head and behind the mask on most bikes. Wires can break from bending even on the STOCK steering stop setting, let alone if you flex them even farther. A little TLC in this area with wire routing might save you from a bike that's suddenly blowing fuses or not running.
Yep, had this happen to me, and no one seems to mention this.
For those running a steering stabilizer, removing the stops can destroy your stabilizer, causing the lever arm of the stabilizer to become your steering stop... Not built for that... FYI
This is actually affected more by front fork rake (caster) rather then how far your bars turn..... The steeper your fork angle the less camber roll you get on your front tire when you turn your bars to lock... Thus creating a tighter turning radius while the bike is standing straight up.
Edit: I personally prefer the longer Fork rake and just power my front tire up off the ground and turn around on my back wheel. The longer Fork rake gives me better high-speed stability
If you take a couple of foam earplugs and put them in the empty holes it keeps the water and dirt out if you want to reinstall the stops.
I've done this on every bike I've owned and it makes a huge difference it's one of the most important and simple mods you can do.
Raise the forks in the tree on the beta it will close the rake and make it turn tighter
Bobby Ratliff The question is how is the setting on the KTM.
If you were a priest, you’d be Father-Brother-Son. Food for thought.
Incredible
preach!
Sounds incestuous
The only problem is if you’re running a damper, you need the steering stops to prevent the damper from bottoming out, ruining it.
that´s not a good advice. those bolts r there for a reason and not only for stopping the forks touchin the radiators. when you´r riding in a fast section, and the front hits something and you get a big "jimmy" the bolts prevent the wheel from turning too much so it won´t slip off crossed on the trail. that´s a very difficult point to bring the bike back(like non return point XD), an almost shure, hard drop.
...but then again, if Graham Jarvis said it... just keep this in mind when you go fast!
Damn he makes a 9 minute video about removing 2 bolt
I second the comment on the wiring harness issues. If you do this without supporting your stock wiring harness at the heck, it will crack and start cutting/breaking wires right at the neck.
That’s cause Gram is a prodigy and has more experience than all of us combined, so he can handle it.
90% of your viewership/subs will wipe out hard and hurt themselves with that advice. I’d never ever do this as a recreational rider. If I’m not getting paid to ride, it’s not worth the risk, like you said the stop is there for a reason. Just my opinion, love your content brother.
You should measure the front end rake degrees. It has a big impact on turning circle. Could play with it by sliding forks up in the clamp and raising rear suspension for testing.
In addition the further you lean the bike the tighter it will turn.
On my Beta I got bolts from work that allowed me to get as much lock as possible without hitting radiators. I made friend's wince when I took a 12 inch adjustable wrench to the radiator guards to clearance the fork legs. :)
I did this trick about a year ago, and it really does help in the tight stuff. Switchbacks are noticeably easier after doing it.
Makes a huge diff, right?
@@DirtBikeChannel Indeed. That and like you said, practicing full-lock turns/figure-8s. It's old advice, but so many ppl don't do it.
Disadvantage is when it slaps it slaps... i put them back in
take'm out then you swap so hard you yardsale
Thank for the tip. NOTE - The 2019 XC does not have removable bolts there anymore. There is just a metal stop bar. I haven't checked the clearance to the radiator yet. If there is clearance, the bar could be ground down on both sides.
I show that in this video :)
Thankx for sharing kyle!..heres how i see it for trials /enduro type riding..fantastic tip dirt bike gold..Gncc/desert racing..no differance...mx..seems like you would get to far crossed up easy.. making it hard to land straight.. or maybe you. land still crossed a little.. making it hard to find a rut or brake eventually leaving lumps on your skull...
Also, leaning the bike over helps tighten turning radius a lot.
Actually that just helps the back tire slip out
Brianna Lynn, perhaps if you were too heavy on the throttle or not slipping the clutch enough. You can lean a bike over pretty far to tighten up a turn. Practice turns at full lock, then start to lean the bike over, it’s a good skill to try and master.
ua-cam.com/video/ejIN8vJq1Nw/v-deo.html
Went to take 'em out on my '19 xc the day I got it... and SURPRISE (Welded)! Way wider turning radius than my 15 xc. I have a little space between the Bulletproof radiator guards and the forks, maybe I will try the grinder, but there is no going back with the welded stops!
You could always see of you can drill a hole and tap it. If you hate it install a button head bolt.
Holgrinator nice suggestion 👍 I would never hate more radius of travel in the steering, I’m just worried about hitting my rads when the bike is rolling back down the hill 🤣
Pro tip.. spin the tyre. you'll turn on a dime lol
They should come out of the factory fit for purpose. For what they cost they should be spot on. Incredibly Beta make trials bikes that turn real sharp but these enduro bikes make the Titanic look nimble.
Just dent the radiator in so you can turn farther
4:20 “Oh No!!” 😂🤣😂🤣
Kidpix
With my yz125 there is just a chunk on the frame that the triple clamp slams into
I'm gonna have to see if my 2002 KTM 300 exc can stand to have the steering stop taken out next time I'm back in town from college
My bike has always turned really tight. After hearing about this from some othe videos I started to pay a little bit more attention. My bike is a KLX and has no adjustable end stops. But on further inspection I noticed that the stops had been sheared off the triple clamps. So I have been riding like this for who knows how many years and never realised I could turn sharper than everyone else. 🤣
KTM is simply quality.
Spray a little ACF-50 in those threads to prevent rust.
It would be nice if manufacturers listed the turning radius in the specifications, or do they and I just haven’t noticed? I believe car makers do this. This weekend I’m going to to measure mine, it would be interesting to know how they compare brand to brand and year to year.
Turning radius changes depending on how far you lean over. It would be hard to accurately test.
I have a 2019 beta 300 rr and the forks are hitting just the plastic radiator guard with the bolts out
Why does the factory set the steering stops where they do?
the sound effects cracked me up!
:)
Have you tried putting padding on the radiator
Yeah it helps with turning but they're there so when you fall over you don't damage your $1000 forks! They add extra clearance because when you fall over it puts extra stress on everything and if you only have a 1/16 of clearance the forks may still hit the radiator.
I see it like the guy who designed those steering stops is smarter than me and I shouldn't mess with it. Guy probably went to college for that lol.
One thing to consider is Jarvis does not have to pay for or fix his bikes. Average Joe may want to consider that before doing this trick. Good to get the info out there, each person can decide if the tighter turning radius is worth the risk.
Doobie Lawson my exact thought
Such good information.... Too bad our bikes would need some pretty severe modifications to the frame and/or lower triple clamp due to them being streamline Kawasaki and Honda bikes. Thank you so much for sharing tho!!! 👊😎
Good tip with the steering stop! Jack Brisk Likes! :)
I tried turning my stops out but I had over size radiators so it hit the cap on my 85 lol
I have asked this on several videos and have never got a response. Does anyone have any recommendations for a torque wrench for dirt bikes? I just ordered my first bike and want to but one for it.
I tried this and it works amazing but now my left fork hits the radiator. Will it damage the radiator in a crash?
I don't feel like I ever hit my steering stops in normal riding, even doing switchbacks. I need to practice full lock turns because even trying it's hard to hold full lock in a turn. Do you still think this tip is relevant for my riding?
Because he is a professional he can do it, yes it helps, but it's very dangerous and if you crash your forks are at a worse angle to bend instead of straightening out, there there to protect the bike from getting damaged. KTM/BETA is also the only brand that has removable ones, the big 4 have ones that are a part of the frame. Just be careful when doing this if you crash at full lock you wheel won't want to streten out due to rake and angle, it's going to want to bend
Not sure I buy this argument. In a crash, your bars, triple clamps, and forks are much more likely to be damaged than the frame just because you took the stops out. It's literally the same force being applied to the frame - there just isn't a bolt between it and the triples.
@@WASemiHardEnduro read what I said again, I said the forks are going to take the blow, not the frame, triple clamp will brake before the frame
@@newyorkridezcooney6962 How does the presence of a small bolt change what you're saying in any way? It's literally the same force.
@@WASemiHardEnduro angles, if your wheel is straight it will roll, if your wheel is at a 90 degree it will not roll, the closer you get to that 90 degree the closer you are from bending shit, imagine hitting a jump on a BMX bike and landing with the wheel at a 90 degree on a dirtbike that stopper stops you from turning past the point of that "turn too far", removing the bolt does give you more angle and the pros out weigh the cons but if you turn too far past the steering stopper your past the angle to roll straight and shit can bend/ break. I hope I'm explaining that well
There is alot of R/D that goes into where that steering stopper is rather than how close to the radiators the forks are. Just putting my degree to use by stating an opinion
How did you manage to get a California green sticker on your two stroke, instead of a sticker
Beta did that.
@@DirtBikeChannel Interesting. 2 strokes usually have red sticker
@@tommyjohnson9791 my 2001 kx250 has a green sticker.
Awesome tip! Thanks!
just me watching n likeing all your videos
Are the steering stops different between mx and enduro bikes
Can't believe I got click baited to another one of these videos..
@@periodtdot because I normally don't get suckered in by this sort of crap.
Anyone who had had full speed tank slappers would disagree with the (if you wheel turns so hard it's hitting the stops your going down) notion.
If you ride over 50 on dirt frequently youle of had some tank slappers you rode out. You couldn't of shit a toothpick at that moment, but you didn't go down. Chances of riding that out have to be considerably slimmer with those stops out. Other than higher speeds it probably works great thoe.
Yeah I've had a similar experience
Wich bolts comes in?
Mine already hits the radiator (200EXC KTM)
Take a grinder to the KTM with the welded in steering stop then paint problem solved.
Awesome tips love your channel
Not all dirt bikes have this steering stop..
Easy fix for the Beta, just pivot turn it lol
Second tip : buy a trial bike and work !
Is this tip just for GayTM's and Gayta's?
Please restock the zip up jacket🙏🏻
Trying. They take more than month to manufacture and get here...
Hey I love your videos, keep up the great work! I have a question however, how come you never do reviews on Shercos or GasGas bikes? Do they match the performance of a Beta or KTM?
Thanks for your information🙌
Not if the forks hit the radiators
I'll try that trick 😉😉😉
Rake and trail is always different between brand. The old can ams would out turn anything but had o high speed stability.
Will this work with a stabilizer?
yes
NO. Don't listen to him, this will make your stabilizer act as the steering stop and eventually destroy it
Enduro is Awesome ! 🔥
@4:37 quagmire
Good tip!
You’d think these companies wouldn’t install these if there wasn’t a reason. Weird
ktm engineers really have to much beer at lunch. They should at least test stuff before selling.
My ktm power parts radiator guards didn't allowed full steering . Glad i had a precision tool around. A hammer solved that!
OK . It's called tuning and reading your I wner manual /just open your eyes !! Can't believe so many people are this dang uninformed. I just can't believe it.
This guy doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to swapping out other than that good vid
We don't all drive beta ktm
up side down forks = minus turning radius
And then you covered the 2019... Remember, you could file down
Yeah you could do that a little bit and still be okay... probably...
First😂😂😂👌
Third lol
Rust on a KTM? What a pile of crap!!! 😉
It’s not “Baiter” it’s pronounced Beta. As in (beeta)