The Hyperbolic Geometry of DMT Experiences (@Harvard Science of Psychedelics Club)
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Andrés Gómez Emilsson from the Qualia Research Institute (qri.org) presents about the Hyperbolic Geometry of DMT Experiences.
At a high-level, this video presents an algorithmic reduction of DMT phenomenology which imports concepts from hyperbolic geometry and dynamic systems theory in order to explain the "weirder than weird" hallucinations one can have on this drug. Andrés describes what different levels of DMT intoxication feel like in light of a model in which experience has both variable geometric curvature and information content. The benefit of this model cashes out in a novel approach to design DMT experiences in order to maximize specific desired benefits.
See original article: qualiacomputin...
And the ELI5 version: qualiacomputin...
Presentation outline:
Thermometers of Experience
The Leaf Metaphor
Introduction to Hyperbolic Geometry
DMT Levels
Level 1: Threshold (& Symmetry Hotel)
Level 2: Chrysanthemum
Level 3: Magic Eye (& Crystal Worlds)
Level 4: Waiting Room
Level 5: Breakthrough
Level 6: Amnesia
Energy - Complexity Landscape
Dynamic Systems
Fixed Point
Limit Cycles
Chaos
Noise Driven Structures
Turbulence
Conclusion
Super-Shulgin Academy
Atman Retreat
Wrap-Up
About the speaker: Andrés studied Symbolic Systems at Stanford (and has a masters in Computational Psychology, also from Stanford). He has professional experience in data science engineering, machine learning, and affective science. His research at the Qualia Research Institute ranges from algorithm design, to psychedelic theory, to neurotechnology development, to mapping and studying the computational properties of consciousness. Andrés blogs at qualiacomputing.com.
The Qualia Research Institute (QRI) is a non-profit based in the Bay Area close to San Francisco which seeks to discover the computational properties of experience. QRI has a "full-stack approach" to the science of consciousness which incorporates philosophy of mind, neuroscience, and neurotechnology. For more information see: qualiaresearchinstitute.org
The Harvard Science of Psychedelics Club hosts events on psychedelic research, meditation, neuroscience, students sharing their own experiences, and much more.
Credits:
- Wallpaper group 632 rotating along each symmetry element - Nick Xu
- Many of the images are by Paul Nylander: bugman123.com/
- The Hyperbolic Honeycomb images and 3D prints are by Henry Segerman, who also has an awesome UA-cam channel where he shows 3D printed math. We used his design to print the Honeycombs we were passing around during the lecture: / henryseg
- Space-Time Dynamics in Video Feedback: Jim Crutchfield, Entropy Productions, Santa Cruz (1984): • Space-Time Dynamics in...
Many thanks to Andrew Zuckerman and Kenneth Shinozuka for helping organize this event. And thanks to David Pearce, Michael Johnson, Romeo Stevens, Quintin Frerichs, the anonymous trippers, and many others for making this work real.
Very captivating and well formulated. We need to have jamie pull this up.
😂😂 not many get this joke
😂😂😂
Jamie, google hyperbolic geometry of DMT experiences (takes a swig of bourbon and drags on his Cuban cigar).
@@patricklaureys1249 How often do YOU think about Dimethyltr..
@@AbgezocktXD Every morning when I try to remember my dreams. :)
I love how Tim Leary got kicked out of Harvard because of psychedelics and now there's a club about them lol.
Well thats not the whole story now is it ;)
Some lady bombed the White House, bill Clinton pardoned her and she’s now the head of b l m... lol indeed
@@SpaceCadetLaC Very true
There was a club about them then too. They were legal and probably would have stayed legal if Leary didn't scare the public. He was a jackass.
@@b.g.5869 You dont really believe that do you? Its not Learys fault, the american gov is to blame for spreading fearand misinformation. They dont like that we drop a tab and say "hey mr.suitman why the hell should i listen to you." Leary only did what most of us do witch is feel compelled to tell and share with others the experience of phycedelia.
I overcame my addiction with the help of mushrooms and dmt
Research shows that psilocybin mushrooms have promising results for mental health support, particularly in reducing symptoms of depression, anxiety and PTSD.
How to get em?
dr.martinshrooms is the perfect fit for your needs
Can he be on Instgram?
Yes. That’s his name
6:05 picture of lettuce "you've never seen anything like this before"
This man knows I haven't been eating salad.
LMAO
At 6:24 he does it again with CAULIFLOWER
Is this man just fucking with us this entire presentation?
Lmao yeah bro that definitely lettuce🤦🏽♂️
Im high as fuck and dying at this comment
Hahahahaha
Don't forget to respect the mushrooms, Golden Teacher basically, they have some very powerful potential. I just did about 7g on 4/12/2023 and it went well actually but barely escaped a bad trip.
It is absolutely beautiful how people talk so many things about psychedelic and magic mushrooms too .. Everyone focused on how magic mushrooms can change and also save lives . I haven't try it but I deep down I really what to try it .. just looking for a reliable source ..
@@rhysreid9302 I'll recommend you to a store I got some of psychedelic products Lsd , edibles cannabis DMT , mushrooms XTC , Xanax , vape pen and they're nice.
@@vickiebeaver6843 How can I locate him? If he's on IG?
@@michaellesniak1310Yeah he's dr.jeffshroom❤
@@rhysreid9302I really get happy anytime I see people talking about Dr jeffshroom, he is the best All pure psychedelic and shrooms I get from him
So this is what happens when harvard geniuses smoke DMT. I'm intrigued.
Lol whattup Chris
psychotronik13 so thats why my DMT experiences were disappointing
@psychotronik13 Yoda?
@@tatteredbannerproductions8484 I can understand your point of view, but depending on what philosophical or theological viewpoint one has, the geometry and math if it all can explain a lot of the unknowns as it could explain our place in the universe realizing we are just codes in a massive program and the ability to realize that transforms everything if you believe it
They are not geniuses
The sound quality is a DMT Experience of its own.
😆
My kingdom for a lapel mic D:
started smoking since my teenage. Got addicted to cocaine. Also suffered severe depression and mental illness. It's just amazing how psilocybin mushrooms treatment actually saved my life. 3 years clean. Never thought I would be saying this about mushrooms
@FernandoLucas-cy9wpI've been looking to try shrooms for depression, just very difficult to get a
reliable source here in Australia. Really need! 0:05
@@JordanRodgers-ei5wuHey! Yes very sure of Dr.johnsonshroom. a single dose of shrooms saved me from Alcohol addiction. 6 years clean. no cravings. 0:07
@FernandoLucas-cy9wpPsychedelics made me quit a lot of bad habits and gave me a more positive outlook on life and the appreciation for other people 0:05
@@LynneStonerIs he on insta? 0:18
@@DestinyDonald-vc3cmYes he's d.johnsonshroom 0:04
As Terence McKenna always said, the psychedelics are about boundary breaking. Softening the boundary between our conscious and unconscious minds, between our imagination and reality, between our rational mind fed by sensory input and the invisible underlying structure of nature. And importantly, softening the boundary between ourselves and the rest of the universe. That is where geometry comes into play. We recognize high order organizational structures as clues to a more complex scientific understanding, so the psychedelic aims to show us that there is more to the world than there seems, by showing us that there is geometry and other complex organizational structures within every system, micro and macro throughout the universe.
@MaxMittler What a great post and great words about Terence relacionado to this video.
Please this goes deeper in exposing the dangers of doing DMT
*Not for the faith hearted.
m.ua-cam.com/video/e86yOpih3eI/v-deo.html
"drugs will be more like computers, computers more like drugs" comes into mind here. the more i learn, the more i realize we have it mostly the "wrong way": we actually want to suffer, n when we see "death" as a specific point in Time, we really "die every day a little". or what would u do, if u could do anything u want w no effort whatsoever? it would get boring n dull after some Time in ur harem n chocolate factory, wouldnt it? as breathing "in", think breathing "out". or think "falling", w no floor in sight. the mind is matter from within - after all, the air "space" is matter too or molecules we measure - so why should it be different w the energy/frequencies of the mind? makes also sense, when thinking about how we cant touch anything really, due to electromagnetism. also because mind & body r like nested into each other, being inseparable (-> individuum). i wonder: the sound to form language itself is a language, isnt it? i still have/want to get on a journey to under/over/innerstand. wen Plato v2?
That proves there’s a supreme intelligence that created everything, the fact that there’s geometry/math in everything shows that. The Big Bang is an erroneous theory and so is evolution
@@GMS-ChaabarYakalATL when we all could come to the point to realize that, maybe the 0/cycle completes? (again?) yup, feels like for example Michio Kaku basically is repeating the same nonsense over n over again. kinda in a loop or spirale - hey, maybe he finds a way to make a spring out of it.
This video combined with the article probably explained more of the dmt trip than all the trip reports I’ve read which is a lot. The levels, with the doses! Now I know I landed squarely in the Magic Eye. The symmetry hotel is a great explanation too. I find it interesting that I had an experience of divine consciousness on level three rather than level six; perhaps it was just a foretaste? Truly informative, this is what psychonauts need to hear
Exactly, research like this help finding proper vocabulary to remove misunderstanding.
Especially when realized that it is not dmt exclusive. All psychedelics can lead to that experience. I work with ketamine and i could practically make the identical presentation about the ketamine experience. So its not unique to a molecule, but a natural phenomena - reality .
Some misinterpret some grandeur but if it helps you it helps you
@@thephuntastics2920 My first DMT trip was a full circle moment from my first ketamine out of body experience, During the ket OBE I was led around the gardens of versailles by this cloaked white figure who was like a diamond shape and it was like glowing so I couldn’t make out exact details but I could tell it was made up of a bunch of tiny other diamonds if that makes sense ♦️ like that the shape not actual rock, but then my first dmt trip I loved the lifetime out of that diamond shaped figure
@@thephuntastics2920 yes, and maybe that natural phenomena is the universes within our pineal gland (or something :D ) although i have heard terrence say DMT was visual, LSD not so much. so it may vary with the individual?
I call them jeweled floating slices of pizza, I ended up in an interdimensional shopping mall full of these things, complete with massage chairs.
I was gawking and one popped in my face with a british bobby hat and said"what are you doing here" and it made me snap back out of it into cartoon reality.
Beautiful experience, first time I tried extraction and vaporizing dmt.
lol i like the zoom in for privacy when asking whose tried the psychedelics
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Appreciate your comments
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to the kid who asked the question about hearing Beethoven through radio static around 57:00 , look up MES (Musical Ear Syndrome). It's an affliction in which a person's brain hears chaotic noise and attempts to arrange it based on a library of memorized aural features. I have it and will hear classical music through fans or modular synths from ambient electrical buzzing and sometimes hushed talking if the conditions are right. It occurs more commonly in people with tinnitus.
Good to know a group of really smart people at a really powerful institution have gotten their hands on this
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This is absolutely fascinating, I don't have a ton of experience on DMT but I've got plenty on LSD, it's analogues, psilocybin and it's analogues, and the frame I've processed my hundreds of trips through is that of engineering control systems enhanced through the lens of neuroscience & machine learning algorithms. I definitely recognize the dimensionality of space as psychedelic dose increases, as well as the chaos/turbulence aspects of the experiences I've had.
You mention difficulty with control - this is where control systems has something to offer. Psychedelics are a lot of energy thrust on our mental systems, a lot of the visuals have to do with the propagation of signals through the circuitry of our visual cortex and the differences in processing under the influence. You can get stuck in literal circuit loops within the brain that are self reinforcing, you can have too much energy to process and break out of local structures completely, collapsing them (ego death on non-dmt psychedelics), or you can have systems and structures for processing that efficiently.
I would be wildly interested in quantifying the control system terminology in the context of various psychedelic experiences in combination with the language of dimensionality and turbulence. Tools from psychology, from neurology provide a lot of methods applicable in this, and framed with in the context of the dispersion of energy (which some great theories on evolution and it's relationship to thermodynamics definitely suggest is a vital part of the issue) could be the early developments of tools for navigating this space.
Fantastic comment!
It agrees a lot with my latest video (on my channel), which is more specifically about how to develop a language for psychedelic experiences with an emphasis on compounds like LSD. I think it has a lot of overlap with what you are saying 🤠
@ Watching it now, excellent!
Your frame seems incredibly boring and basic. It is kind of sad.
Recognizing the hyperbolic geometry (at times what i felt was also an almost infinite dimensional space) is one of the many surprises i remember from various trips, and i also feel fully justified in becoming a mathematician lol
Beautiful, there is a way to explain it finally. Or AT LEAST it’s a start at developing a language to describe the experience. There is something going on behind the experience, and using math/geometry to describe it is pure beauty.
I had to screenshot the visuals… again, this explanation is SO BEAUTIFUL!
Thank you! I'm glad you see the beauty in it 😊 I have a lot more content in my channel, if you are curious. We've gone much further in our models since this presentation 😎
I find it crazy that the human mind is capable- and I stress capable (it not in the substance)- to have an intuitive sense of hyperbolic space. Maybe it's some kind of locked apptitude we have but rarely use because we live in euclidean perceived space.
That's what I think is the main takeaway from psychedelics. The structuring and restructuring of the interface and reality itself kind of opens up a real bizarre can of worms.
One example I found interesting is that these guys mentioned the effects of sound--I think sound is coalescing in these geometries as well, which is why we experience delay-like and reverberation qualities. You could have a lot of fun with Ableton or something experimenting. Animal Collective has been utilizing this sound space a long time now and they do it amazingly
That's cause we as consciousness live in quantum reality hilbert space and these brain interfaces are just an illusion
@@efleishermedia for hyperbolic space in particular you don't even need psychedelics. Just be into math lol
To be fair, all hyperbolic structures can be projected into euclidean structures. Just get a sense for how the transformation affects movements and it's not too difficult to translate between them.
The human mind is absolutely terrible at imagining higher dimensions intuitively.
Jesus, this is terrifying. I feel like I've been to these places without drugs, during extreme fever and waking hallucinations when I was a kid. Not sure I want to go back there.
go back
Just know it is your brain glitching out, getting overclocked in a way. There are limits that are very hard to anneal, as remarked around 44:45.
No need to go back with the help of a chemical if you're cool with that.
That was also dmt.The pineal gland is producing it.
it may be more of a horror trip when you have bad emotions linked with it. only do it if you feel safe and have people around you that you trust. then you maybe can imagine these good emotions or thoughts get amplified just as your bad fever dreams. feeling in control is also a big thing. if you think you cannot handle it dont do it.
dont be scared of things you've never done.
Sinking into the experience while looking at others trying to explain it is something else.
I can't ever remember seeing that many patterns on DMT. The experience feels more like a zoom meeting with a spirit or entity more than anything. I've seen things like a mother holding her child, a box full of marijuana (like I saw into the future of my own life), I've seen an Aztec pyramid just rise out of the carpet... but never too many fractal patterns. The most DMT I ever did showed me a Chitinous throne room, with a machine at the center that looked like a rubix cube, constantly changing shape and color.
Most of the time I end up growing plants or doing some kind of research as a result of the trip.
Bipinnate leaves are the ones you want to look for, at least to start out.
This was awesome. I don't know UA-cam's algorithm found this for me, but Andres was an awesome speaker and presenter.
Andres’ whole vibe did not disappoint.
There's a guy who got hit in the head with a bat and ended up seeing patterns like these when he woke up in a coma, he then became a mathematician to illustrate or explain the visions. it's like these altered perceptions already exist in us. How is it possible, to have such precise and accurate details flow in our perceptions without any of our conscious control, or let alone seeing such patterns ever before? It's like our brain is a lot more mysterious and a lot more capable than we think it is.
brain is quantum
i could talk w these guys for hours…and leave all of hollywood and politics waiting outside.
I was expecting this to be complete pseudoscience but this seams pretty legit.
Very nice.
Are you religious?
@@mrsteinbergenson7348
Not really, no.
Yeah I skipped over this in my recommended so many times, this time the word Harvard caught my attention which made me go "hmmm..." I clicked expecting someone to have rented Harvard halls for some bullshit but only like 3 minutes into the video and I am already glad I finally clicked it
@Homo floresiensis your so woke and amazing I want to open up and be like you.
Sacred geometry, fractals, cymatics, Pythagoras, Yoga, vibrations, Golden ratios, harmonic frequencies.. We’re waking up
Peace, love, and groovyness
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Frequency videos work love the lucid dreams one!!
We're baaaack.
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Are any of these new?
I got over 15 years of 'study' on the topic here, love the connectiveness and heart it brings back to many many people. Set and setting and good people. I would LOVE to start just randomly submitting papers (old and new) that I have wrote up, experiments taken where one person draws a shape and the other does not know what, and draws it...I am convinced that telepathy has always been within us - just lost over time. Finding our roots again. I am very educated, high and stoned are words that give many of these tools a horrid name...it is medicine and better than most if not near all Rx's :'( sad but we can and will change that. Getting there faster now than ever before!!!
what kind of visuals did u see aside from shapes what emotions did u have?
did u see through the eyes of other people like a reinacrnation type of thing.
pls can u share ur experiences
Please share your study! I’m interested
Anyone else find it interesting that the levels coincide with the dimensions you see. Threshold; black and white 1st dimension, Chrysanthemum; flat shapes of color 2nd dimension, Magic eye; 3d shapes 3rd demension, Waiting room; the bending of time and space the 4th dimension, breakthrough; the 5th dimension unconceivable to us but has infinite geometry.
and then there is Kenny Rogers wait , that is the First Dimension , The 5th dimension is Dawning of the Age of Aquarious, chalez holmes )();}0>
gross oversimplification
The fact that this kind of discussion exists in a field of education is crazy
The fact that is was a taboo topic in educated circles for so long is what's crazy.
I've been waiting about 10 years for this lecture. Thank you, super interesting!
I have experienced the incredible geometric patterns, I'll never forget it
Changed me
For there finals in class they had to trip on DMT and write about their experience
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In college before y'all were born, someone laced a joint with DMT and I battled forest spirits alone in the twilight out on the Eagle Creek Trail in Oregon as a soft rain was falling under a brilliant full moon ... except, there was no moon and it shattered into a zillion blinding geometric filaments.
Thanks to college and stupidity, my friends and I smoked and then ran the trails back to get to where the trail goes under some waterfalls (on cliffs). As I ran, I was getting too warped but had enough sense NOT to be on actual cliffs, so I stopped and my friends ran ahead. Then I was in a striking 3D florescent world and knew that going off the trail would mean being lost forever. I had to find my way back to the camp site in the growing dark. At some point, intuition told me that I could take a shortcut off the trail to reach our camp. I took it.
I new immediately that it was a mistake. The river somewhere through the trees turned into glowing mercury and birds were screaming. I knew it was a different world because I tripped and the soil was dry though it had been drizzling rain all evening. As I stepped through the trees, seeing our camp a 100 yards off, the ground turned vertical (remember there are cliffs in the area). I felt a spirit opposing me and I'd never come back if I didn't fight at the top of a now cliff. I knew it was a fake cliff and I had to step through the spirit to overcome it. I stepped over thin air as the entire world glowed intense neon ... and the land formed under my feet. I stepped again and once more it formed. The world turned real again, I was on real ground and I could see our camp, but I knew that I'd never return if I didn't get back to the trail, so I returned to the trail. Then I followed the trail as neon fireworks happened behind me to pull me back, but I resisted. Finally I came around a bend in the trail and saw what I knew must be our real camp 20 yards off trail. I ran there with the glowing mercury river and got in my tent, got in my sleeping bag. The intensity was lower but beings outside the tent were still calling me to come out or telling me that I wasn't in my sleeping bag, I was sleeping in some bushes. But I ignored them and slowly came down. I was vaguely aware when my friends came back ... they apparently didn't get as high as I got and were just talking about how colorful the waterfalls were.
Don't try this at home kids. At the time, it was terrifying. Looking back way later, pretty cool.
The "breakthrough" and "high breakthrough" sounds and looks like literal hell.
Excellent work. We now need a more efficient way of dosing. Smoking or vaporising anything isn't very accurate. IV isn't widely accessible. We need another solution.
Boofing obviously
Ok so my whole life it has been pointed out to me by family, peers and even doctors and psychologists that my mind works differently. It seems to also be tbe case with psychedelics. Here are the major differences I have noticed: for starters dmt vs mushrooms, I have properly vaporized and inhaled up to 35-40 milligrams of dmt and only had threshold level experiences, on numerous occasions, yet when I do mushrooms 5 grams takes me to upper magic eye lower waiting room levels, 8 grams or more and I spend most of my time back and forth between the waiting room and breakthrough levels. Another difference is I dont experience amnesia or black out on 90+% of my trips, I can remember everything I see and experience with usually very intricate detail. The last difference is probably the most hard to believe, I know I would doubt it if I were anyone else, but in the waiting room I can slip into a state where I can influence the people around me with my thoughts, this has happened twice and I have worked hard to avoid that state because it scares me. The first time it happened I had eaten 8 grams of cubensis, and the waiting room as you call it had become perfectly integrated into the rest of reality, I could identify things never before seen and they interected with reality in a way that made perfect sense, one of these phenomena is an ever-changing geometric fractalization that swirls above people's heads with a stream connecting it from where it is to the head itself, and another stream that goes off and away into infinity. The forms within these halos were somehow understandable, and encoded each person's thoughts and realities, it was while gazing in awe at the halos above my own head and my wifes head that I noticed anything I thought in word form my wife would speak, I implanted suggestions which she tried to follow, implanting first the idea to paint a picture and then directly after the idea to go to sleep, she became so confused and torn between each idea that she was frantic, so I focused on the word and color grey as a way to empty my mind, and her mind also was effected the same way, she even remarked almost sadly that everything was grey now. After this first instance I wasn't sure what think of what had happened, or even whether it was real at all, it was the second instance that scared not only me but my sober brother and proved to me something real was happening. In this instance I had reached the same state as the first time, I was in the hills with my brother who was trip sitting this 10 gram trip I was doing, we were seated next to each other when an almost foreign impulse entered my thoughts and before I could stop it I acted on it, I turned to my brother, locked eyes with him, and in a tone similar to a hypnotists spoke "the one the two, the me the you, the red the blue, guess what, who knew" after this I knew instinctually that I could control his actions and tested it, I stood and so did he, I moved my arms and legs in random patterns that he mimicked not only perfectly but simultaneously, I was literally controlling two bodies with one set of impulses. After what felt like about a minute, he broke out of whatever state I had put him in he broke out of it on his own, immediately took me home and did not speak to me for months afterwards, we spoke daily prior, 4 months later he and I spoke and he confirmed that I had turned him into a shadow puppet as he called it, said he never wanted to speak about it again and said that he would never be around me if either of us was on mushrooms again, saying he didnt trust his mind was safe even if I was sober and he was tripping. I have learned how to avoid this mental state, I find as long as I don't allow myself to allow the waiting room and regular reality to integrate into each other that I don't achieve that state. Take this for what it is, but these are my experiences, I hope if not to find help exploring these differences, that at the very least my account will help someone else in their understanding and exploration of these matters.
Ok so as I have explained I have dmt like experiences on mushrooms, this paired with the amount of time per trip spent in these states, has in my opinion allowed me to map and make sense of some of these complex seemingly other-dimensional forms. To expain this best we need to at least acknowledge base line realities role in "the trip" and more specifically its density and integration into the levels of the trip, how well do these abstract forms that we can see and experience integrate within reality. I'm sure that most will agree that on the higher levels such as waiting room and breakthrough, that even perceiving base line is rare, and that the chances of both the trip reality, and actuall reality meshing in a way that makes sense and has meaning is even more rare. Yet this is exactly what happens to me, base line for me is hard to ignore and only disappears for me if I close my eyes, and after careful reflection on my experiences, I feel that there is a level past breakthrough that I will call expanded reality, where the trip reality becomes fully integrated into the actual reality, and I believe this is because what we are perceiving, if inaccurately, is an invisible layer of reality akin to what telsa called the aether or akasha as it is also called, to give an idea to what I mean I want you to consider the wind, something you can only perceive the effects of, but otherwise remains invisible to you, imagine if it became visible, just this would add a level of perception to your reality that would reveal new information, for instance with practice and observation you could know when a trees branches and leaves would move before it happened. This is what I mean when I say the forms within the trip become fully integrated into base line reality, what this looks like for me is that just as we perceive everything as separate units not as a single thing, so to does what you describe as the hyperbolic reality of the trip, everything becomes distinct, much like the waiting room level, yet just as you can watch a dog running make grass move, or water in a river move stones, you can watch things in the trip realm interact with base line, in a way that actually works and provides new levels of information and perception, the most directly relevant thing is that you can perceive that there is a level of self that extends past the physical body that interacts with and is a part of this invisible realm, and its ability to actively affect and be affected by both base line and trip reality stimuli also becomes apparent and understandable.
Just a hint of schizophrenia
@@doobiemeista ah yes just a dash and pinch. Lmao
@@doobiemeista actually no, but I did have a major concussion when I was 6 years old that shattered the base of my skull and landed me in a coma for two weeks, only to wake up with the brain damage causing regular activity in otherwise dormant parts of the brain responsible for processing sensory information, so theres that.
Wonder if schizophrenic people are on a constant psychedelic trip living in our percieved reality
I'm mind blown how accurate hyperbolic geometry is to the experience. From my experience the "waiting room" had the best feelings emotionally and physically, out of them all.
That's odd, common wisdom says the worst outcome is to get stuck in the waiting room
@@delta-9969 A lot of so called common wisdom regarding DMT is not really wisdom but some few blasting their opinion online.
People are way too obsessed with breakthroughs, but sometimes ghet the amnesia and dismiss other states which are just as valuable.
Take this wisdom from an experienced psychonaut
@@delta-9969 thats not to say that the waiting room is bad, it just isn't as good as the breakthrough.
I feel like for all of us who stumbled upon this in suggested videos....we are pretty rad humans. Just saying.
EGO EVERYWHERE!
@@moretech lol yes
@@moretech Not necessarily, far too many variables to be so black or white
i looked it up LOL
@Jackie Legs lol I'm definitely not a hippy. Unless most hippies watch Tim Pool and podcast of the lotus eaters. :P
I love the idea of a DMT "trajectory", the idea that the common metaphor of "flying" is a literal description of conscious experience. Eg flying past lower levels/too far/not far enough/and hitting a wall.
I'm also very happy to hear the explanation of the "depth map", complete with representing semantic content.
Great presentation, we need more research like this (the quality of the audio recording could have been better)
This is lowkey the best lecture I've seen in my life
what i find especially interesting is that I've experienced each level of hyperbolic geometry and apart of the emotional response to this has been an ability to tap into residual levels of geometry when I'm sober. I have learned to meditate through some intense psychedelic trips. I can now meditate to the point (without any mind altering substances) to where I have a surface level visuals which immediately intensify when i close my eyes. Its given me a new lust for life and i've been able to overcome a serious bout of depression that has been with me since early teen years. It's not that my newfound happiness is sourced from the meditation or psychedelics, its that they opened up my mind. I have a full understanding of how my self and my ego interact. I know how to treat people better because I've changed the way my ego (what I consider my inner voice) speaks to me and how it reacts to the outside world. and its just a great feeling now that I finally have a sense of purpose in my life. Humans should feel humbled by the beautiful Synchronicity of life and nature. Everything happens for a reason and you won't enjoy anything unless you find a way to give life a meaning. Being alive is enough of a high.
I can't personally testify to what you're saying, but your experience sounds remarkably similar to my brother with his shroom experience. He tells me that in deep states of meditation, or when he is falling asleep, he will be able to see low level fractal patterns. He essentially told me that he never really lost the ability to see those visuals even after his psychedelic experiences.
Cannot agree more.
This makes me want go back to university.
That was a pleasure to watch, some real investigations into the field, well done!
I think if we collectively focused on different things our entire lives we would be able to see or feel the world around us like we do on hallucinogens. I also think life was more colorful when we were kids or when we're more connected to the world.
Things were more colorful as kids not because we were more connected with the world, but because we were more connected with the spiritual realm that we had just re-emerged from
Love to see that even guys in Harvard still use the same default google slide templates.
I noticed that, too lol.
When I tried DMT, all that happened was that everything in my field of vision completely dissolved then it went black then I forgot how to breathe and the entire time I was tripping I was just coaching myself to try to breathe. (No grammar, I know. ) No one else had a bad experience. I don’t think I even smoked enough as it was harsh and unpleasant. At this point in my life, I don’t feel comfortable tripping anymore but I really wish I had had a good experience. In general, I loved psychedelics. I’ve never heard of anyone having that experience with dmt before.
Also, I know that DMT is supposed to help with trauma but it’s symptoms of PTSD specifically that make me fearful of tripping anymore. I am considering Microdosing psilocybin though. My doctor has referred me to a clinic but it is expensive.
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they need money for drugs
They need money for soxhlet distributors to make drugs with
why would you tell us to turn on closed caption when you haven't transcribed tthe captions manually and the automatically generated captions are so, so very terrible?? come on you can do better
These experiences happen without drugs.
Well you have missed a turn in your graph 37:40 A 3D representation of this would look like a cone and not like a flat piece of paper. Where the person sitting top left surrounded by gold needs to be at the top right and the top right needs to be where the person surrounded by gold is sitting. You have missed a turn please try again. 44:37 Well no, there are no loops. If you loop then you have missed a turn. When you get all the way to the top at 11 approaches 12 there is another turn but that turn is death.
When I did DMT it was so overwhelming and intense that I know this is similar, but at the same time nothing like it.
Agree ... it can even go beyond infinity dimensionality ... the impossible
White Noise = Information Plasma
So that's why people love it so much! I can't sleep comfortably without a fan on tbh.
@@nirvana_banana777 same!!!
So you see white noise as like extremely particulate 'information' thats been highly 'energized' (not sure what would mean in this context)
It's entirely possible
@@digitalhippie2336 Yeah, a buddy of mine once talked to me about this.
It Is blissful, the moment of breakthrough you realise, you understand everything, the meaning if life becomes so simple, It Is LOVE, plain and simple and anybody that has experienced a DMT breakthrough understands
Oh my god! "The Waiting Room" is a thing. That's exactly the words i used the first time i went there.
Sitting in the waiting room... sitting in the waiting room... because you cant get in! Dont wanna get em
pffft.. how long is it going to take before they call my name
You need melanin
Absolutely love this presentation... For the last 13 years I've been getting personally familiar with DiMiTri. Since my first experience I've learned 2 methods of extraction from Mimosa inner root bark... Even after 500+ doses I am still apprehensive about it... Definitely something to respect!
is that a real poncho ? or is it like from sears. Im'a go find Dora.
@@bungieflute love your nails you must be a Libra... 😜
You're doing great work! We are at the gates of a frontier right now and it's about time we enter it
It's time...
37:21 - There's so much information, that the mind can only hold enough data to properly render the center of these oscilliating patterns. As the "math" of rendering the pattern in our visual field push towards our periphery, our eye is guided to the event horizon to continue rendering that math. But when you shift your perspective towards that horizon, it immediately becomes the center of permutation and begins rendering anew.
We never finish rendering the unfurling hypermath at the horizon because it takes more time to render it than we can hold our attention to one specific snapshot of information. the time looping dilation is clocking our rendering speed so when we finish a cycle it renews rendering from whichever new point of perspective we hold.
This touches on the threshhold of schroedinger's cat... the box is on the edge of the event horizon, and when we shift to catch up to it, it becomes center frame and renders as alive or dead, depending on the oscilation of patterns being rendered, and everything we shift our attention away from in that moment dissolves into unfinished permutations, holding enough pattern to unfurl when it again becomes the center of attention, same as normal visual perpheral vision downgrades in resolution.
... my 2 cents.
Whoa
Yes
Really interesting thought
I would propose that the act of meditation is a means of training the mind to hold attention to one moment for a longer duration than previous moments. the sensation of connecting to something greater is the greater amount of rendering at the periphery. if we use vision as an analogy, normal consciousness is a visual field of 120 degrees, and meditative practices expand this periphery to 180+ degrees... we can now absorb more information each cycle as we shift our brains into these longer wavelengths documented in experiments. perhaps enlightenment is, to continue the analogy, reaching a 360 degree view of your reality, so you can sense the full math resolving, so when your cycle renews you shift your perspective as before, but you don't lose any rendering, it remains within your capacity to perceive, and we lose awareness of the passage of time because we no longer have a cycle losing data to measure change.
ymmv
I understand this. But wouldnt this theory only vinculate understading with our sense of view only to understand something?
IM A OUTSIDER THATS NOT CONNECTED TO ANYTHING OR ANYONE AN THIS VIDEO EXPLAINS PERFECTLY THE STAGES OF D.M.T. WOW THANK U CUZ I THINK EVERY ONE NEEDS IT IN A BIG DEAL WAY ... IT HEALS HELP GROW AS A GROWN PERSON OR THE ONLY WAY TO SEE LIFE AS IT REALLY IS WITH OUT IT U WILL NEVER KNOW WHAT LIFE IS
I believe that the most important lesson you learn from such psychodelic experiences, when you get confrontet with unity and the unlimited space, isn‘t that you have to use these small tangents of information of infinity on a certain topic, but accept that you and anything in this universe is a piece of everything.
After such experiences you really understand the unimportance of our objective understanding of science fields because of the witnessed eternity.
You will feel the sensation that you are trapped in your own body and every try to truly understand the universe will fail under the dependence on your 7 senses.
Can someone relate to what I‘m saying?
I can totally relate
I need to be eating much more of that Hyperbolic kale in my diet.
I really want to try DMT or magic mushrooms but i don't know where or how to get them, I can't find a source any recommendations??
I could remember the first time i tripped it was so thrilling I felt like I was deep into the sea
I have enjoyed lot's of trips from ket, lsd but i have never tried DMT before hope 2grams isn't bad for a starter
/Malachi_tripp/ got psychedelics
@@Polianafreitas436 is he on Instagram or what?
@@alpha-tj6jt yeah, he's got magic mushrooms, chocolate bars, lsd, dmt and other psychedelics
21:00 gave me goosebumps because of how accurate that is to the trip. It brought back memories!
I'll refer you to and online store where I got my own psychedelics and microdosing stuff very good reliable vendor
He's on Instagrams also on Telegram with the below handle as...
Bless who ever recorded this guy!
GET THIS MAN ON A PODCAST
I’m so glad you discuss finding the trajectory of an experience and how that correlates to dosage and other variables. I said in a previous comment that I think dmt could be very medically useful, especially at micro-doses (or a gradual increase in dosage over time) and this data is actually super important for anyone wanting to seriously experiment with dmt, even in a clinical setting. And talking about mapping consciousness or properties thereof. I believe we could learn quite a bit from researching more into the geography of hallucinogenic experiences.
have u ever tried these substances?
Yes
While the 6 - levels is a fascinating approach, there is perhaps an underestimation of the extensive realms of DMT. Levels 2-4 often seem almost synonymous, even though the distinctions here serve well to map the transition from everyday waking consciousness to DMT-mind. What of the tunnel state through which people experience travelling through - both entering breakthrough and beyond it? What of the expansive landscapes both 'organic' and geometric' and the many 'spaces' between the breakthrough point and the 'replete void of unitary consciousness'? There is so much space between breakthrough and potential 'amnesia', that does not map onto geometric structure and it seems the further one goes (i.e. dose) the more the geometric model may not apply so evenly.
Yeah, I'm not entirely convinced this geometric modelling can cover all the visual phenomena. The argument is compelling though, and I may just need to look again.
@@ke_dao it's a good start
@@firstname163 yeah, no doubt
I’d say 90% of my experience is amnesia, when I do remember some experiences by certain DMT artwork I’m reminded yet again I don’t know what the heck I experienced but that it was extremely profound.
It is important to understand that this is not exclusive to dmt.
I usually end up in “magic eye to breaktrough“ levels, only that i do it with high dosed ketamine ( well, we do) i have never taken dmt but the more i see reports or presentations like this, the more i find myself wondering like this is by far the most identical description to how i experience ketamine.
OMG Thank you, for letting me know about Magic Eyes again. I had a book in my childhood but I could never find the actually thing again and im soo amazed I finally found it again!
You know what's interesting. Talking about naturally occuring tessalating patterns, if you take your take your tumbs and place pressure on your closed eyeballs while relaxing the muscles of your face youll first see a tessalating grid pattern followed by a more random morphing pattern which evolves into a bright white light. When you release the pressure youll see blue dots as you open your eyes.
Probably different for everyone.
One million views. Its a complete sucess
Speak into the mic!... also great talk.
lol... driving me nuts!
@@hikesteepfishhigh No doubt! get this guy a Lav Mic already...
Yeah the audio is kinda poo
Honestly props to the audio engineer , it's surprisingly level for how in and out the guy gets at times
@@brucanthwood You make a fair point, and I agree. I don't mean to come down on anyone. Headphones help isolate the audio from environmental noises so, with that in mind, its fine with headphones.
i've tried recording audio and video of myself during these experiences (a long time ago) and even though sometimes i can still retain some of the visuals and what happened, expressing it and what new cool shit i'm seeing using words is soooooo incredibly difficult, even philosophical super meaningful lessons just get buried by "words" because all our words exist to communicate 3D space objects and ideas... kind of annoying but i think a team of people especially of higher education ideally mathematics i think can start to help model these dmt experience. it's just tricky because you have to be able to model a 4d or 5d "object" and space in your head and a lot of people find that very difficult. the best thing is DMT shows you it is very possible. also i believe we are all inherently actually 4D+ entinty just experience this life through the filter of our bodies which receive all this 3D world data. we or so overloaded by that info and trapped in our bodies
Ineffable...
The psytrance community would really appreciate you using high quality audio for your presentations! :P
Hope more people take the time to watch this, fascinating.
Blown away by the talk and I haven't ever taken DMT. Disappointed by the questions tbh, seemed to focus on aesthetics and semantics rather than the general effort to build a comprehensive framework. You all are doing wonderful work!
When I was prescribed Ambien I will never forget traveling through these different worlds made out of different things. Specifically there was an entire world made out of Hallmark Cards… I guess this was the Magic Eye level. I ofc stopped taking those meds immediately bc it clearly was making me high and hallucinate… but yeah, I can’t imagine how people can get addicted to being high like that all the time
Wonderful. I have been amazed at the original article, this talk is brilliant.
I have tried to explain an experience I had on DPT so many times, but I think it is something very similar to how you describe the waiting room. It's not that there were fractals projected onto the space around me, but rather that the process generated a fractal out of the space itself, into which I was subsumed.
But this patterning built onto a higher level pattern that involved time. After passing through the space fractal, I found myself in a much more regular distorted space, in which a brief narrative occured, and then the time looping started. It felt like I would be trapped in the time looping cycle for eternity, but then the process actually generated a pattern out of the looped segment of time, and I have no memory of what happened after that
Have you every tried DMT? DPT is very similar in effects with a longer half-life but seemingly more mechanical visuals in terms of artistic expression. Does it smell similar to mothballs as well?
This was SOOOO HELPFUL AND INFORMATIVE!! My experience is not here … would love to share
Thanks for paving the way to content like this, Ram Dass and Tim Leary ❤️
That was fascinating, I regularly take high dose pslisybon, lsd, and dmt or changa,, and I've gone from threshold right through to high breakthrough,, it all so incredible, slightly scary in a way, when ever I've done it, almost always, I'm excited, but usually nervous too, only with dmt/changa, I may just add, but last time was my breakthrough, it was so intense,, but it does help my ptsd, but more than anything it's justs indescribable, dmt is the Bach and Handel or the baroque period, yes I'm a musician, 😁,, its an experience I think everyone should go through at least once,, and the fact that's its illegal is a disaster and a disgrace,, as its completely safe,, nothing like alcohol,, as Terrence McKenna said "the only possibility of danger is death by astonishment"!!, good luck in life whatever you may do, ☯️👁️⚛️
Hallucinogens are illegal because our overbearing government doesn't want the general public exploring altered states of consciousness & growing. A disgrace indeed.
@@ethereal369 I could not agree with you more,!!!
What is Changa?
Insanely important research really. Maybe the MOST important field Today in my opinion.
This right here, thank you. to have a language to explain what was seen to be able to share the experience. this was as good as the hit dude. i will reach out to share what i have seen if it helps. just amazing really
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This takes form constants to a whole new level.
It would be interesting to try and recruit individuals from varying disciplines such as AI, computer science, cognitive science, psychiatry/psychology, neuroscience, deep learning, creatives to help illustrate and find artistic examples that fit closely to experiences, and maybe computer graphics backgrounds for looking to understand why certain visual phenomenon occur from a functional level with our optical and neural hardware versus serial or parallel digital graphics, all to help with analyzing and hypothesizing in their own disciplines and cross disciplinary attempts to reframe the ideas through their world views.
Add some optical physicists in there for visual effects. If looking for other hallucinatory domains, utilize audio engineers, etc.
Building a diverse team, not necessarily pro or against the use of psychedelics either openly or not, but with the idea that this is very unexplored scientific territory. Discoveries abound here. Formalizing and creating a systematic scientific approach to psychedelics is way overdue. We're getting closer to brain/computer interfacing and we've barely figured out what LSD does to the brain. We need to study all this for a myriad of applications beyond actual use of psychedelics. We need to understand the mind better. Psychedelics are essentially the black holes of the study of the mind. They are the extreme states like in physics that will help us discover the Hawking radiation equivalent discoveries of the mind.
should bug them on twitter about this idea
Exactly! We want to organize a legal psychedelic retreat with physicists, mathematicians, neuroscientists, and visual artists to map the DMT space. Indeed, not because we think psychedelics are necessarily good, but because as you put it "discoveries abound here".
@ what would they be able to discover?
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@@max25i67 "Drugs are cool" :P
38:00 ff. -> One of my first thoughts about the patterns was some kind of 'feedback loop' but one hemisphere only, and funnywise I commented a video about hyperbolic environments in context with computer graphics and rendering, that that is what a salvia trip 'feels' like, becoming part of a reality ungraspable and undescribeable (but hey, mathematicaly) and abstract.
Very interesting talk and presentation. Psychedelics realy aren't for hedonistic party ppl but to deep dive into our conscious and unconcious mind and how the projection we call reality is made up.
i was similarly struck by certain connections to a salvia experience.
Bless you ❤ Ram Dass for everything he did and starting the Harvard Psychedelic Club. Keep up the good work ❤
Total genius level stuff here. Better than most TED talks I've seen. I hope you win many awards. That said, is there any evidence from your POV that DMT users actually contact a different dimension / reality (as TMcK believed), or does it just feel that way ?
Thank you!!
No hard evidence afaik, but I'm open to it. Some experiences seems to suggest it, but so far it's still consistent with hyperdimensional hallucinations.
Just came off a high dose and they're pretty spot on. Only this time I busted into a bunch of rooms that were having a disco.
heard of the alien disco from friend who was on salvia
First time on shrooms I experienced that, never knew how to describe it. Alien disco fits well, the room reminded me of what id imagine the 70’s disco to be like but with a futuristic twist
First time I broke through I was in a conga line type thing
Damnit I don't know whether to be happy or concerned that I've experienced the otherworldly alien disco as a vision/series of thoughts without any drug use lol
What this proves is the human bran actually does things like Fourier transformation for visual processing.
In my awakening experience, it was like looking at everything in 4k, it lasted several weeks, and could have lasted longer if it wasn't for certain elements........
What helped it go away
Like anointing oil, the loop signature is encoded into a decay signature, amplified and inverted projects the circuit harmonic for asymetry recognition into the strings that run along your brain arc....
Officer: How high are you?
Me: Hold on one second. **Grabs thermometer**
Only recently started investigating digitising and just vaping it. Not going too deep but thankful for seeing the wild and unexplainable colours and patterns. My mate tried to explain it, now I know.
Going to get Crystal for the summer as feel im ready for the good stuff
We can't even get weed legalised here let alone psychedelics but psychedelics have got me off pres meds over the last 2 years
What is digitizing?
I wish everyone could go to school where they want instead of beign restricrted by money or past preformance. When i went to colledge i slept and didn't study because i had no interest in the subject only reason i chose it because It was free. Here I am now watching a youtube lecture being interested.
ditto
It is also necessary to have some performance measure too, to ensure you meet the necessary academic standard required to complete the course.
They do actually do what you are saying for the ETH in Zurich however, so I suppose it can work!
Anyone can start the courses, but the majority of students don't make it past the 1st year because it is so difficult.
@@thomasharper4646 I don't really agree though, the only reason it is set up like that is because school has a goal, and the goal is to make productive workers for advanced industries so your nation may maintain its edge (or seek one) in the competition between nations. I think this is inherently wrong. It makes education a means to an end, and the end is superiority & domination. Students need grades so they can be put in tiers, students need to be put in tiers so they can be sorted into professions. People need to be sorted into professions because: 1. nation-states have a taxonomy of needs dictating the allocation of our human capital 2. we have accepted an often false or artifical sense of scarcity regarding the availability of work in certain fields (i.e. not everyone can work in astrophysics, not because of a lack of work to be done but a lack of job availability).
Yet it is futile because we are jockeying for position in the race to our own destruction. It would be much better to drop the sink or swim approach to education that we practice in favor of one built to spread real understanding. The challenge of education should never be the conditions but the content, yet we artificially introduce conditions of failure because we have artificial conditions of success we are trying to push people towards. We seek to label people as successful or diminutive so we can fit them into our hierarchical models. All this serves to get in the way of education and development of the human race.
@@amoraa7477 I understand where you are coming from, however, I think we deviate in terms of thinking when it comes to the idea of hierarchy and competition.
I believe both these are important and valuable elements of the human social structure. It necessary that we have hierarchies so that we can assess people's varying levels of competency in different domains, and assign the most authority in any given domain to the most knowledgeable, competent and high performing players in that field.
That is to say on a practical level, at work, I don't want the worst Software Engineer leading the tech team because I don't trust their decisions, I want the best Software Engineer to do so.
In order to assess who is the best, we need a said hierarchy, and hence a necessarily imperfect manner of measuring peoples ability.
Similarly, I would argue competition is not fundamentally toxic, but an important part of any game that encourages people to play their best.
Both of these things can go wrong, of course, hierarchies can become corrupt and competition can go toxic when people are willing to violate their core principles of integrity in order to win.
From my perspective, I encourage a world of meritocratic hierarchies and healthy competition between people.
This is not to say the current system is perfect, it is in many ways flawed, but one should not throw out the baby with the bathwater.
I believe there is immense value in our academic institutions, though I am sure they will go an immense overhaul in the future for the better, in these rapidly changing times.
Maybe a reduction in emphasis on grades will be part of that transformation. I still believe there will need to be a way to assess the quality and competency level of students regardless.
Unofficial club meetings must be fun. I mean, the official ones would be, too!
From this I now know that mushrooms are MUCH more "noisy" than Ayahuasca. That pink landscape in the waiting room is a place of utter peace, bliss and tranquility - as far as I can get on mushrooms. When I go high breakthrough on aya it's just me in an endless black void like some kind of starchild, and I can pull up or narrow down on whatever thought I want, and get lost in that thought like some kind of fractal (annealing/Nero's search). The most important part of this video is giving people the language to talk about this and their experiences. Rick Strassman needs an update!
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I remember reading that the reason that hunters can hide behind a stalking horse to get close to deer is that "Deer don't know how many legs a Horse has".
I wonder if our ability to perceive hyperbolic geometry is just as simple as "Your neurons don't actually know how many corners a square has"
I've been waiting for someone to explain why the brain produces crazy geometry and patterns
I'm not an expert or a neuroscientist or anything but I made an hour long video disecting the mental state of Connor Murphy who fried his brain microdosing on DMT. Long story short the human brain is like a computer where each neuron like the bits on a computer can be configured however you want. When your brain receives information from your eyes it runs an algorithm that determines how you see the world around you. If you mess with the algorithm you mess with the result of the experience of sight
I was taken aboard a star and shown all the mysteries of the universe by a pure white light being of consciousness who said he/she/it felt great sorrow for me, and my life (or maybe it was my generation, or the whole world) would end in tragedy.
I was then dropped off in my back yard with a tear dripping down my cheek as if I had been very overwhelmed and emotional; but I felt 100 percent back to normal, sober and I heard a message I received that said “just in case you thought that wasn’t real watch this”
And then the star when zooming overhead (I swear anyone would’ve seen it but it was midnight) from behind and took its place back up in the heavens , and repeated “I am always here for you, always watching, and I’ll be waiting for when you in fact do expire and we shall be reunited”
Wow... Did it have a masculine or feminine sound? Or neither?
Best explanation in 5 years time !
A noise attractor is called "negentropic"
Consciousness is making forms out of the chaos. We are like the noise attractor
Love this dialogue and it is much needed. My only suggestion would be to make sure everyone speaks into the microphone so the audio is clear. Bravo though.