Shaping a Turbo Exhaust Manifold Part 1

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  • Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
  • This two part video will show how I machine the flange face on a stainless turbo exhaust manifold using my G&E shaper. First video will show how I set it up in the shaper and get it indicated level and true.
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  • @jtjjbannie
    @jtjjbannie 4 роки тому +3

    Watching him helps me reassure myself that I am not a half bad machinist. He is pro level.
    He does almost everything in the same fashion as I would.

  • @v-performance
    @v-performance 4 роки тому +8

    We are using the big belt sander to fix those flanges. Very common not only with Coyote manifolds.
    The problem is with a design of a flange. First of all make them from mild steel - keep the tubing stainless but go mild for flange. Stainless warps like crazy even with proper tooling. We design our own turbo manifolds so we know the pain.
    Next, you can design the flange in a way it will not warp that much - cut some holes are make them almost like 4 separate flanges it will help a lot.
    Greetings from Poland Adam!

  • @lloydbaker7099
    @lloydbaker7099 4 роки тому +15

    I'm always amazed about the thought you put in your setup I learned so much

  • @ml.2770
    @ml.2770 4 роки тому +11

    These new fangled shaper things are going to replace cnc mills one day.

    • @craiga6557
      @craiga6557 4 роки тому

      Haha I was just about to comment something along those lines

  • @Sun-ut9gr
    @Sun-ut9gr 4 роки тому +3

    That dial! I can read it from space! This is the greatest thing I've seen in a shop🤣❤

  • @bobvines00
    @bobvines00 4 роки тому +6

    Adam, when you showed your grill & remote temperature indicator, it reminded me that you were on a diet that you used to report on. Are you now at the weight that you wanted?
    This video about the set-up is interesting because we get to see the details of what you _have_ to do to hold a warped, irregular part like this. Thanks for posting this!

  • @andybogart2503
    @andybogart2503 4 роки тому +1

    It’s so cool to watch someone expertly using complex tools that I’d never even heard of - it’s inspiring Adam! Thanks for sharing these with us!

  • @spacenomad5484
    @spacenomad5484 4 роки тому +5

    I just watched a 30min video about putting a piece of metal into a vise...
    If Adam made a video about paint drying, I'd watch at 0.5x speed so I don't miss anything.
    Literally everything he does and comments on becomes interesting.
    I'd watch him count all the sand grains on a beach and then ask for part 2.

    • @themechanic6117
      @themechanic6117 4 роки тому

      I enjoy his videos but i watch all of them at 1.5x or even 1.75x . he's a slow talker so at faster speeds he's still understandable and it lets me watch more of his videos in a shorter time

  • @chrisconley3579
    @chrisconley3579 4 роки тому +1

    I've been a hobbiest "machinist" for a while and your thought process teaches me literally tons of things to make it easier. You've played the game a while and know the order of operations in your head

  • @Just1GuyMetalworks
    @Just1GuyMetalworks 4 роки тому +6

    Nice set up, I like how you utilized the coupling nut 😊. The challenge of work holding is 3/4 the battle sometimes lol. Can't wait for part 2! Cheers 👍😁👍

  • @byronservies4043
    @byronservies4043 4 роки тому +3

    I really enjoy the setup portions of the videos. It is interesting to see how you dial in each job before cutting.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 4 роки тому +4

    Fact, welded assemblies distort. Many fail to realize this. You are correct in that the order of operations to make good parts matters. Funny a couple of years ago you would not have wanted to do this job because of how long it would take. Now with this your job you can dedicated the time and not have to worry about it eating all of yours. 😎

  • @toolbox-gua
    @toolbox-gua 4 роки тому +1

    Your finesse to tackle an Abom size job is a pleasure to watch, making it a blessing to learn from you. Just great.

  • @SteveSummers
    @SteveSummers 4 роки тому +2

    I always like doing those tougher setups. That's a large part of the enjoyment for me anyway. Done a few manifolds on the shaper myself 👍. Thanks for sharing Adam.

    • @davidfraser4830
      @davidfraser4830 4 роки тому

      It would be very interesting if you, Brian and Adam each did a similar project to this so you could compare your individual approaches to the job. Just a thought

  • @NikolaiTunguska
    @NikolaiTunguska 4 роки тому +3

    Best way to show gaps when holding a straight edge up to something on camera is to shine a little light behind it. Viewers can see the gap changing by the light shining through changing in intensity.
    I think I saw Tom at Oxtools do it :)

  • @tonyburndred9828
    @tonyburndred9828 4 роки тому +1

    That universal table is brilliant, even you Adam would struggle to set that parallel without it, brilliant job.

  • @jaswats9645
    @jaswats9645 4 роки тому +4

    Love that big Starrett guage! Must've cost a pretty penny.

  • @andycollins3978
    @andycollins3978 4 роки тому +3

    I often wonder why you tend to favour the shaper in situations where you might expect the work to be done on the mill, but actually seeing that universal table in action, it makes perfect sense now, that table is amazing

    • @jonka1
      @jonka1 4 роки тому

      He just does. He's made that way.

  • @shaunsautorepairs5410
    @shaunsautorepairs5410 4 роки тому +1

    Thats an awesome machine...For something so big the fine adjustments you can make is incredable...Onto part 2

  • @DustinPryde1
    @DustinPryde1 4 роки тому +3

    you should make a cologne that's a mix between cutting oil smoke and barbecue smoke.. the manliest of all colognes.. lol. love your videos, you truly have a master's touch when dialing in your work.

    • @JayKayKay7
      @JayKayKay7 4 роки тому +1

      Throw in a whiff of gunpowder and I think you have a winner!

    • @mannys9130
      @mannys9130 4 роки тому

      A touch of Hoppe's #9 too please.

  • @maximelenfer6280
    @maximelenfer6280 4 роки тому +5

    I want the part2 right now.

  • @chrisa2735-h3z
    @chrisa2735-h3z 4 роки тому +2

    I absolutely love the shaper! It is by far my favorite machine that you have! not to mention it's very satisfying when you use it- keep up the good work!

  • @CreamyCornCob
    @CreamyCornCob 4 роки тому

    Shaping heads, manifolds, decking parts - making anything 1000% square dead nuts, my favorite episodes ;) Keep up the great work Adam, been with ya since the beginning.

  • @gusviera3905
    @gusviera3905 4 роки тому +1

    Man, that shaper is one heck of a machine. Looking forward to the cut. Thanks, Adam.

  • @joebledsoe257
    @joebledsoe257 4 роки тому +1

    In my day we ran a bead of weld around the ports on the flange. Then partially machined it off and rewelded any low spots and remachined until we had a projection around the ports standing proud of the flange. This crimped the gasket for a wonderful seal.

  • @thompsonjerry3412
    @thompsonjerry3412 4 роки тому +7

    Love the old blind guy indicator.

  • @michaelgoettsch7744
    @michaelgoettsch7744 4 роки тому

    Love the way you show how to good these irregular shaped items and everything you do to ensure they are held tight and don't slip.

  • @AlexLTDLX
    @AlexLTDLX 4 роки тому +2

    Great video as usual, but copper RTV instead of gaskets would seal that up in a heartbeat. I've been using copper RTV instead of gaskets on headers for a decade now and I've never had a failure. You'd be amazed how far off most headers are. And after some use, they warp more. I usually hit them with a belt sander just to flatten them out, but the RTV trick works wonders. I have had a ton of gaskets blow out back when I used to use them.

  • @markjurkovich7814
    @markjurkovich7814 4 роки тому +1

    Hello Adam. I'd like to say that I sure enjoy your videos and that I hope there's a young person in your life that you're passing your knowledge on to. I had the good fortune to know someone in an automotive machine shop that passed a lot of his knowledge to me. I will always be thankful for it. Thanks again for sharing.

  • @tmacie2
    @tmacie2 4 роки тому +3

    That indicator is fantastic!

  • @SkylersRants
    @SkylersRants 4 роки тому +2

    I love that huge Starrett dial!

  • @billmckillip1561
    @billmckillip1561 4 роки тому +3

    These set ups are fascinating.

  • @leeklemetti1887
    @leeklemetti1887 4 роки тому +1

    I am luvin' the Starrette indicator, now us old foggy machinists can read the dern thing.

  • @jacobfalk4827
    @jacobfalk4827 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome use of those parallels. Love seeing new tips and tricks like that.

  • @bstanley0072
    @bstanley0072 4 роки тому +10

    When you’re not using that indicator, you should put it on a big gold chain and wear around your neck.

    • @joeylawn36111
      @joeylawn36111 4 роки тому +2

      LOL Love this idea! "Abom Flav" 🤣

  • @frantickoala994
    @frantickoala994 4 роки тому +5

    Love the new intro music!

  • @zachaliles
    @zachaliles 4 роки тому +6

    When that indicator came on screen I thought it was a wall clock.

  • @jburchm1
    @jburchm1 4 роки тому +1

    That universal table sure is useful. I imagine setting this up on a mill would have been a real challenge.

  • @jryer1
    @jryer1 4 роки тому

    I have a new appreciation for old machinery, really likin' the shaper!

  • @danielfogli1760
    @danielfogli1760 4 роки тому +1

    Hey you weren't kidding when you said you'd break out the BIG indicator 🤣

  • @TitusKrakenDesigns
    @TitusKrakenDesigns 4 роки тому +1

    hehe so now Gentle Giant is making metalworking and cooking together! hmmm i like it!

  • @duggydo
    @duggydo 4 роки тому +4

    That flange is a bit thin and probably wasn't stress relieved. It will warp when heated up. Even after you flattened it, he may still have troubles. The metallurgy on cheaper parts is horrid.

  • @macc4373
    @macc4373 4 роки тому +1

    I'm like a kid in a candy store when you put a video out. Thanks bro 👊

  • @hippie943
    @hippie943 4 роки тому +4

    Was looking for part 2. Seen you didn't make it yet and was like damn 😅

  • @stevespra1
    @stevespra1 4 роки тому +2

    That table is so cool.

  • @0verboosted
    @0verboosted 4 роки тому +3

    Haha haven’t seen that huge Starrett indicator before, that thing is awesome!!

  • @motari6249
    @motari6249 4 роки тому +1

    I love how much you put into the setup alone . Awesome video keep it up

  • @imacrazyguy5831
    @imacrazyguy5831 4 роки тому

    Looks like whoever welded that steel weren't watching the tamp and just went to town. Twisted that metal like a toy!
    Awesome work, Abom!

  • @PeteBrubaker
    @PeteBrubaker 4 роки тому +2

    1:31 - Hell yeah! It's so cool (for me) to see you using that straight edge I ground.

    • @jorgyr36
      @jorgyr36 4 роки тому +1

      I would also think it's cool. Pride in what you do is priceless!

    • @Abom79
      @Abom79  4 роки тому +1

      That straight edges is great Pete! Thanks again!

  • @Maker238DeLoach
    @Maker238DeLoach 4 роки тому +1

    I feel like everything that you buy how you have to work on or fix it immediately I see why you like your old machines!!

  • @shadowdog500
    @shadowdog500 4 роки тому +2

    Darn, I was waiting for some pulled pork shots at the end of the video. LOL!

  • @ddd228
    @ddd228 4 роки тому +4

    Just like painting and other jobs; It's all in the preparation.

  • @bigunone
    @bigunone 4 роки тому +2

    With long tube headers we always cut the flange between each exhaust port to let them move to make up for any differences

  • @mreddy6920
    @mreddy6920 4 роки тому +2

    I love those shaper videos. Wish I had one of my own, there was only one thing wrong with that video. Don't show more foodstuffs, I was drooling for like an hour after that 😂😂

  • @TERRYB0688
    @TERRYB0688 4 роки тому +1

    Adam, just love your channel, has taught me loads about machining , cheers pal

  • @MrYuck9
    @MrYuck9 4 роки тому +3

    I love how some tell he is doing it wrong, Do it this way, should have done this or that. I know, you do it and show all how it should be done.

  • @JimLahey21
    @JimLahey21 4 роки тому +3

    Cut between the ports, I had this problem years ago

  • @ptsdchannel
    @ptsdchannel 4 роки тому +2

    You can straight edge 100 exhaust manifolds and I assure you 100 exhaust manifolds are going to measure warped. The stresses on that from the welds and the way the tubes pull on the part and then the heating and cooling cycle will keep them nice and warped.

  • @Zardwark
    @Zardwark 4 роки тому +5

    I reckon Phil should just send you this shite *before* he fits it. That way at least you'd keep your hands clean! Heh! He could pay a retainer, you be be like some sort of manifold lawyer :-)
    I *love* shaper work.

  • @aarongrabowski5620
    @aarongrabowski5620 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome job Adam. I love to watch this kind of thing.

  • @streamylc
    @streamylc 4 роки тому +2

    I love your content so much man.... every video just seems to get better and better.... really seems like your finding a very unique style with it

  • @robertinfante5222
    @robertinfante5222 4 роки тому

    Way to build suspense! Checkmate, Hitchcock! Seriously though, thanks for taking the time to share your experience. We all need more teachers

  • @MarkRiffe
    @MarkRiffe 4 роки тому +1

    I Enjoy the G&E shaper projects Best one yet Thx You Sir.

  • @samuraidriver4x4
    @samuraidriver4x4 4 роки тому +4

    The stainless manifolds I have welded where all welded on a 40mm thick piece of steel with as much clamps as possible.
    Didnt need any machining on those.

  • @raymondcote6669
    @raymondcote6669 4 роки тому +1

    Adam! GREAT you changed the music for your videos. It is so much better now

  • @avan8386
    @avan8386 4 роки тому +1

    Wonderful machine, looking forward to seeing part 2

  • @jamesmoore8900
    @jamesmoore8900 4 роки тому +1

    I really love your videos. It's time to retire from racing so I'm going to sell my cars and get a mini lathe and start learning.

  • @petem6291
    @petem6291 4 роки тому

    Good morning Adam the amount of steps and care that goes in to the set up is amazing . One of the machine shops that did V. W. Heads For us would bolt the head to a thick steel plate, put it in the oven , over night than finish the surface the next day , there thought was to straighten the head then make it flat ..

  • @MattysWorkshop
    @MattysWorkshop 4 роки тому +1

    Gday Adam. The universal table really shines here with jobs and setups like this, it would be a lot more involved in setups without it, I’m looking forward to part 2, thank you sharing, take care Matty

  • @tattoos1988
    @tattoos1988 4 роки тому +2

    Great video Adam the weight loss looks great you look like a new man mate enjoyed the video as usual great content stay safe all the best mate god bless

  • @Zatarac
    @Zatarac 4 роки тому +1

    Love the channel, I'v learnt so much and understand setup better than ever before. Thank you Abom79 !!

  • @Newokie59
    @Newokie59 4 роки тому +4

    Dammit. Have to wait for part 2!

  • @mostlymotorcycles.
    @mostlymotorcycles. 4 роки тому +4

    Someone's poor workmanship is another job for Adam. And some entertainment for us.

  • @musoangelo
    @musoangelo 4 роки тому +1

    What time's dinner? As a kid in the 60's, the Navy guys use to come back from Japan with the clay Kamado's. I think they were $9 back then (340yen to the dollar back then.) I have a newer one like your's but also a couple of vintage one's, one of those I cook on, probably 250 nights a year. It's a great tool.

  • @youcoulduseit7492
    @youcoulduseit7492 4 роки тому

    That's a challenging work holding sitiation. On the flange bolts turn round rod/ projection that comes up shy of the gasket surface on one side and the table on the other. so they almost pound in the bolt holes love your toe clamp set up your taking light cuts. the round rod will help maintain flatness under the cut pressure. man pulled pork for dinner thats just a dream here love it adam thanks

  • @BoissonMedia
    @BoissonMedia 4 роки тому +1

    Great video! If that is for a turbo kit, it's a single turbo kit, that's the crossover side as it doesn't have a flange to bolt a turbo to. The flange on the end is for v-band.

    • @ravenbarsrepairs5594
      @ravenbarsrepairs5594 4 роки тому

      So, in other words, they should pull the other manifold for machining as well, as it's probably a ticking time bomb...

  • @jojiran
    @jojiran 4 роки тому +1

    My guess is that the problem is gonna return due to the aspect ratio of the flange .. it might make sense to break the flange in the middle so that the expansion is taken up by the SS pipes

  • @moreton2256
    @moreton2256 4 роки тому +2

    It's stainless, you can count on it to warp no matter how you weld it. Machine it after is the only way. Bolting it is just delaying it warping until you remove the bolts!

    • @richardscott6716
      @richardscott6716 4 роки тому

      david n Hi David. Noobie question here. Are there grades of steel that are particularly resistant to warping? Thanx

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 4 роки тому +2

    The big gauge is great for the camera!

  • @larryshedd5734
    @larryshedd5734 4 роки тому +1

    Great job. Lot's of work planning and getting ready to start job.

  • @erichoff7926
    @erichoff7926 4 роки тому +2

    Lol! "Unflat" love it agreat description.

  • @donaldnaymon3270
    @donaldnaymon3270 4 роки тому +1

    Great video. Nice options on setup on shaper. Thank you for sharing.

  • @ThAtGuY-u9d
    @ThAtGuY-u9d 4 роки тому +1

    I can’t see how someone could make a manifold and not machine/flatten the flange. They will always warp when welded. Nice fix Adam👍

  • @emrfixit
    @emrfixit 4 роки тому +1

    You are a master my man.... truly awesome instructional video!

  • @jackpatteeuw9244
    @jackpatteeuw9244 4 роки тому +1

    Wow ! I can read that Starrett dial without my glasses !
    I'll have to wait for part 2, but I find it hard to believe that that vice can provide enough clamping force without bending those tubes to secure the part for this type of "broaching" operation.

    • @xenonram
      @xenonram 4 роки тому

      Broaching? Why did you say broaching, and why did you put it in quotes?

    • @jackpatteeuw9244
      @jackpatteeuw9244 4 роки тому

      @@xenonram I put in quotes because I was not certain it was the right term for that machine tool operation. In high volume production, cylinder heads and closed deck engine blocks a "broached" in 1 pass.

  • @RabidSnailRacing
    @RabidSnailRacing 4 роки тому +1

    It's on the engine builder to make sure the deck of the block, the heads, intake, and exhaust are flat and don't leak. Don't even think about building an engine without a trip to the machine shop.

  • @kevinoscarson2941
    @kevinoscarson2941 4 роки тому +4

    Yes there is a welding fixture, we never machined them, but you have to know how to work your heat. I would bet thats a Chinese manifold.

  • @AbbeyRoad69147
    @AbbeyRoad69147 4 роки тому

    I needed this exact job done SO BADLY a few weeks ago. My machinest did an AWEFUL job!!! 😭😭😭😭

  • @18robsmith
    @18robsmith 4 роки тому +5

    Could almost taste that pork roast over here in the UK :-)

  • @anrmanufacturingltd4436
    @anrmanufacturingltd4436 4 роки тому +1

    Such a cool video. Looking forward to part 2.

  • @jeffreypeters8446
    @jeffreypeters8446 4 роки тому +1

    I wanna come eat at the Abom79 house! Everything you make looks Sooo good!

  • @starletboy9349
    @starletboy9349 4 роки тому +1

    Very cool vid abom love the content. I have actually recently made a few axhaust manifolds myself and yes typically we do clamp them down to weld but even after they still seem to wonna spring out. Normally shops do use a belt sander your right but im thinking of taking it to work and sticking it on the bridgeport. Perks of being a apprentice machinist i guess lol

  • @joeylawn36111
    @joeylawn36111 4 роки тому +7

    "Abom-size" indicator dial....

  • @angelarichards1911
    @angelarichards1911 4 роки тому +1

    Great video Adam. So clearly explained. And so masterfully set up. Can't wait to see the finished aŕticke. Remind me again what the minimum step over is on that shaper . Please.

  • @dirtyknuclesde
    @dirtyknuclesde 4 роки тому +1

    Man, that dIal indicator is Da Bomb, Abom.

  • @bookerol
    @bookerol 4 роки тому +3

    I think a big part of the problem was the lousy gaskets used. Looked like el-cheapo Fel-Pro/McCord type gaskets, which most likely caused a lot of the warping. Multi-Layer Stainless gaskets would have been a better choice.

    • @wansolve2036
      @wansolve2036 4 роки тому

      Agreed, that and possibly poor torque sequence.

  • @jbcowherder6210
    @jbcowherder6210 4 роки тому

    FWIW: when i was younger we worked on alot of GMC motorhomes, they used cast iron manifolds. the best trick to fix the exhaust was to put brand new "green" cast iron manifolds on, send it out and drive it hard up long hills. they would always come back w/exhaust leaks, then you'd pull the manifolds again and send them out and have them machined flat perfect. they'd usually never have another manifold problem again. i wonder if the same thing happens to steel headers like the one Abom did such a nice job on.

  • @Matt-gk6xm
    @Matt-gk6xm 4 роки тому

    Badass as always! Shapers are awesome. Big industrial monster but just cat like. Love all the videos. Gives a home machinist like me something to shoot for!

  • @felixar90
    @felixar90 4 роки тому +2

    Wow. Even your dial indicators are abom-sized.

  • @David-xl8zf
    @David-xl8zf 4 роки тому +1

    Laser cut out of flat material, not heat treated will always warp when welded especially stainless. Also probably cooled after removed from the jig, if they even had one making it.