IKR lets have a display or fashion show. I want to see the final package. However it was interesting to find out what she requested specifically and who she bought is from.
Did you not watch the entire video? Go to 3:50 and you will see a proper look at the dress. This is an extremely valuable and rare historic item that is terribly fragile; they are not going to have a modern day model pop in on and walk down the catwalk in it. ua-cam.com/video/lnnQLV9eDb0/v-deo.html
P Heart.......I agree, this was a very unsatisfying video. Far too fast moving and lacking in depth, what was the point of the very quick flashes of the dress? We saw nothing of the construction, stitching, layers etc.
This lights me up. It is amazingly beautiful. I am so glad that a few dresses of hers survive. What an interesting vocation. I can't believe that someone would have made alterations to the dress while it was with a private citizen esp knowing the provenance of the dress.
Unfortunately that happens all the time with historical clothing. I think it happens though closer to the time period, so the importance of it may not be completely understood. Think about Kim K getting to wear Marilyn’s iconic dress.
I was so looking forward to it but this was a very unsatisfying video. Far too fast moving and lacking in depth, what was the point of the very quick flashes of the dress? We saw nothing of the construction, stitching, layers etc.
Rose Bertin never "made" a dress, this was reserved to male tailors; Bertin was only selling trims and flowers, lace and ribbons to go on the dress. There is no actual proof that dress was really from Marie Antoinette. The only proof would be a description in a book by an eyewitness, or depicted in a painting.
She wasnt really "minister of fashion" of course; its the way called her because she was dressing up Marie Antoinette and spend days at the palace talking chiffons and ribbons. She was a big part responsible for the spendings and bad reputation of the queen, because she made her spend tons of money on silly things while people didn't have bread on their table... Marie Antoinette was partly very unpopular for that reason
I've seen a set of slippers she wore. She was considered very small for the time, but we are talking tiny here -- doll shoes. It was a bit spooky. I've also seen a dress of Josephine Bonaparte, and wow, she was tiny.
They Don’t- 🚫 NONE, even this dress is only attributed to Rose Bertin, but she made lots of Beautiful gowns for lots of Wealthy Women.The only authentic outfit that survives is the Prison chemise she wore on her way to her execution.
That must be the most beautiful and satisfying job in the world. Every stitch, the smallest details; all bring it back to what is was then and see it coming alive now. One of the very few things I have all the patience needed for.
It’s always nice to see what’s being talked about. This was kinda like smelling your baking bread and then not being able to open your oven when it’s done🎈
Too bad the quality of the video is so poor, both the focus and the choice of shots. It doesn't give the viewer a true sense of the gown, nor did the conservator nor the curator describe the context for which the gown would have been worn, was it day or night, was it representative of what others right below her station were wearing at the time? It could have been so much more.
it’s amazing to think that these dresses were worn by a literal queen, OVER 200 YEARS AGO, it’s so phenomenal to think about it. I can’t even explain my feelings right now. It also would’ve been amazing to live in those times- kind of. If you were in an upper class. Before last week, I wasn’t interested in the 1700’s or kings of queens until now. And now i’m wishing I was one of them bc i think it would be really neat to have that life. Just the style of the dresses and the style in general is so interesting. I’m obsessed with all of the womens fashion
That Is a FANTASTIC piece of Couture art work. How beaitful is the work and detail of that very old WELL MADE dress. I wish items of today were made as well as that on every piece of wares manufactured and sold items. We need that kind of commitment so we have less trash and more prude in beauty , self and care for the pkanet and lives i.e, eachother
Nope, Rose Bertin wasnt making dresses; It was a male privilege to shape, cut and create a dress; Rose bertin was providing ribbons and feathers, and was great to make hats that become all the rage (mostly because the queen and princesses were wearing them....)
I am pretty sure you could buy one of these dresses on eBay and maybe even the patterns for one. I know that you can find the patterns for civil war ball gowns on eBay.
Lily Rose back then only certain people dressed like that. if you go back in history you're a peasant not an aristocrat so what do you suppose you'll be wearing? rags.
patterns of fashion is an amazing boom series that will most likely teach you alot about the history around everything aswell, but i always tell people to not underestimate even "normal" or modern tailoring and consider that the people traditionally making these garments (and I mean really making then, not "designing") didnt ever receive the credit that they deserved. on the matter of these sorts of clothes only being available for the super rich: clothes were often handed down continually, to the point where the "rags" someone mentioned here were once just as fashionable only less bejeweled as a high lady's gown... stitch in time has an interesting episode on this featuring the coat worn of the hedgeknight i believe (its been a while)
It's thrilling to see sketches and hear the stories from documents on the French cutoure industry operated by women- from textile manufacture, design, construction, and fitting, to cleaning and maintenance hundreds of years later. All the specialities provided a living for women and their families. Another fascinating and talented member of her court is painter Élisabeth Vigée Le Brun. Marie used her power to hire women, and set an example for the aristocracy.
Would have been interesting to know something about her measurements ..... like how tall etc. And, just a note, it's really quite surprising to read such vile comments and language connected to such a beautiful dress. Shame !
JONI HAUGHTON That’s what I thought. It’s a dress for Pete’s sake. Who cares if someone is giving a longer response to a shorter question and so on. Thank the person and move on-jeez.
A beautiful and fascinating story but I do wish we'd actually seen the dress rather than and large selection of prints of the period, photo's of Versailles, etc. The dress would speak for itself.
Dressforms rarely have heads. It makes it easier to work on the clothing. Mannequins have heads. Choosing a dressform here instead of a mannequin possibly with Marie Antoinette's face helps keep the viewer's attention on the gown and not the model.
Marie Antoinette had great taste and her coffuier and dress and shoe designers were extremely creative. I wish they would cover her taste in jewelry and perfume.
She had beautiful jewelry (some of these jewels belonging to the French kingdom) most of these jewels disappeared during French Revolution, stolen, destroyed or melted. The big blue diamond of the French crown - stolen - is now at the Smithsonian institute. Why ?
Ardmore Public Library in Oklahoma, has Court Dolls dressed in Roses’ fabrics! It’s very shocking that they’re slowly disintegrating because the library claims they cannot afford to restore them.
It would be dream come true if people start wearing this beautiful dresses with beautiful wig everyone will b looking like a queen and princess 😘 can we go back to the time when people cover up their body more😊
My dad has a trunk of clothes from his great aunt from the late 1800's. They weren't properly stored unfortunately, so I know that they're falling apart. There are places that do restorations, but I bet it would cost a pretty penny.
So they're not actually sure it's hers. It was worn by two people, would the Queen actually have given even her old dresses as hand me downs? Im no expert on the French court during that time period but doesn't it seem like it would belong to one of her ladies in waiting or something?
Marie-Antoinette actually did hand some of her dresses down, although sometimes unwittingly. For instance, when Antoinette arrived to be handed over from Austria to France, the clothes she had on her back were taken off and she was redressed to enter France as the Dauphine. The clothing that was removed was given to the ladies present, and that happened a lot throughout her reign. She only kept certain dresses and state gowns, and even those filled, I think, three bedroom sized closets at Versailles. Moreover, those closets were open to the public!
it was very common to hand clothes or bits of them down when they went out of fashion, and sometimes clothes would travel down the ranks of society until the very poorest peasants wore them in states that were unrecognizable. a stitch in time has a very interesting episode on this phenomenon
@@PandoraKyss Marie probably gave “out of fashion” dresses away, old shoes, fans, she did give small things to servants etc. However...Not One dress with any kind of a provenance or any kind of proof that she owned or wore it survives. Not 1️⃣ No proof this dress was hers.⬆️
This dress is only attributed to Rose Bertin, the queen's modiste. There isn't any actual, verifiable record of it having been embellished by Bertin (women were forbidden by law from actually making or tailoring women's dresses and other attire. That was the domain of men), or having belonged to Marie-Antoinette, and moreover, it was altered after the Revolution.
Thats actually incorrect. By Maries time women could make gowns, petticoats and shifts. Court gowns (robe a la coeur) and stays were the domain of men as they were still considered to be ‘technically outside women’s abilities ‘ . Court gowns covers a very specific style that were worn to formal state events (at least by MA’s time, the earlier sun king mandated the design and that they should always be worn in court, this lapsed over time) . There is a fab book all about the fashion of MA’s court that goes into the social, economic and political practices of the court
Truth.So tired that this is called Marie Antoinette’s dress, because it might have been made by Rose Bertin. Like saying a dress bought from Dior was owned by Princess Diana.
No one really knows what happened to all of her gowns. There's no record of them being sold or destroyed, they just vanished. It's kind of amazing that only a few things survived considering that she had a huge warehouse dedicated to just her wardrobe.
I have seen a hat of Henry the 8 th but the Tudor period was another two hundred years before Marie Antoinette. Also after the civil war a large amount of royal history was destroyed. This is why we don't see Ann boleyn s or Queen Elizabeth s dresses. They are extremely rare and I don't think anything apart from the hat survives of Henry 8th. Most of the crown jewels were broken down. A shame I'd have loved to see the clothes in all their glorious colour.
Most of the clothes deteriorated - everything was made of natural fibers so probably they don't last forever. I have a silk kimono that is about 70 years old and the silk is practically turning to dust. And it was never worn!
I believe they may have found a gown of Elizabeth I, but there are several reasons items from the past are lost forever. One, they may get damaged and the original owners destroy them. Two, in the case of royalty, something these items are past down to friends or servants, and then they aren’t kept well or are eventually destroyed. Three, in the case of Elizabeth, she was succeeded by a man so her clothes wouldn’t be suitable for James and were probably considered unfashionable by his wife Anne. Four, these royal gowns cost more than some people’s yearly salary. If James had no use for them, he would have sold them off, or had them broken apart so parts could be used in new garments. Five... time. Probably a lot of garments from this time just disintegrated. We are talking 400-500 years since the Tudors. There are a handful of small items; a coif of Anne Boleyn’s, a cap of Henry VIII, his armor, and maybe some gloves, stockings and a gown of Elizabeth’s... possibly more, I don’t know.
Roaming from the East to the West in the royal textile, I have seen all have elaborated needle jobs on the garments by colorful silk material. For the art views, I see western esp M.A. got much freedom in design than the rigid eastern ones. Imagine M.A. wore them in the big social ball room, very enjoyable for visual or the atmosphere. I can tell she wasn't a big but a slim pretty girl.🙂
mika boum She certainly considered herself queen until then. However, to the French people, the start of the French Revolution, 1789, was the end of the monarchy in France.
Someone should have pointed out to the woman with the light page boy haircut that one does NOT put on white cotton gloves to touch a period dress and then pat one's hair with that self-same glove at 3:17. The oil from her hair is now on that glove and can, nay WILL be transferred to that centuries-old dress and that is NOT a good thing.
HistoryBoy--Your snark fails. You can wash your hair right now, this moment, and oils will begin to accumulate, starting at the roots and moving outward. FURTHERMORE, one's hands accumulate oils constantly, or your skin would crack and bleed. We wash our hands, too, in a "civilized world", but the glands in our skin constantly replenish those oils washed away by soap and water.
it survived centuries of oily hands and other highly unproper handling that doesnt meet modern conservation standards, including being altered and worn again!, so I'm sure it will be fine that she touched her hair for a second. its not the end of the world, nor the dress, since the museum wont allow it to disentegrate. she is cleaning it and repairing it so she saved this dress anyways.
I believe I read somewhere that the undergarments had a space that was cut open to necesitate easier access to the commode but with a dress like that you'd still need help so as not to get things soiled. Although beautiful, I can't imagine dressing like that unless you lived a life of leisure and can you imagine the dry cleaning bills?!!!
Actually it was Louis XIV that started it. He insisted on different clothes for himself and then all the people living with him did so and then it just became the thing to do. Dressing could take hours- the hair, the pinning and sewing one into garments. Each member of the royal family had a duty during the dressing room at it was decided by royal hierarchy (blood over marriage Duke/ Duchess over Baron/Baroness etc).They could take a bodice from a gown and change the ribbons, lace, etc on it and put it on a different gown and have created a totally new look. So it wasn't really a full "new" dress but she never dressed the same exact way twice until it became unfashionable when she was staying at Petit Trianon where she chose to act like a peasant and dress more simply in white, with less formal clothing.
She didn't necessarily wear a "new" dress everyday but I've been told she didn't wear the same dress twice and that's because those kinds of gowns came in sections and were literally sewn together as she was prepped in the morning. Different sleeves might have been sewn on to a different bodice which might not have been matched with the same skirt all the time. This was all part of her morning toilette. Each night she stuck pins into the different fabric and color samples she wanted to wear the next day, so it really was all kinds of mix and match.
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May I ask why Marie Antoinette is so famous and still passionate people around the world? I'm French, of course I know she was our queen but I mean in France we don't really make a big deal about her
We still do. She is still popular because she and the king died when frenh people decided to make a revolution, which never happened before; And they dried from it, nad the guillotine left a very scary and strong impression on people around the world; Thats whe we still talk about them
Some shoes, jewelry, handkerchiefs, swatches of dresses, & the prison chemise are pretty much all that survived- no proof this dress was hers, just wishful thinking.
an hour ago i was watching gaming videos, how did I get here
+niicheetah Ha ha ha Same.
nikita niicheetah same 😂😂
Welcome to the strange world of UA-camland.. I have questioned the exact same thing many times..Lol!
HILARIOUS
just lucky I guess.
a proper look at the dress would have been nice,rather than sections of it.
Seconded! We don't need to hear how rare/valuable etc., it is. We wouldn't be watching if we didn't already know all that.
IKR lets have a display or fashion show. I want to see the final package. However it was interesting to find out what she requested specifically and who she bought is from.
Did you not watch the entire video? Go to 3:50 and you will see a proper look at the dress. This is an extremely valuable and rare historic item that is terribly fragile; they are not going to have a modern day model pop in on and walk down the catwalk in it. ua-cam.com/video/lnnQLV9eDb0/v-deo.html
P Heart.......I agree, this was a very unsatisfying video. Far too fast moving and lacking in depth, what was the point of the very quick flashes of the dress? We saw nothing of the construction, stitching, layers etc.
@@2436golden Yes, the quick flashes did not satisfy my interest in this amazing piece. I wanted to see details with time to admire them.
This lights me up. It is amazingly beautiful. I am so glad that a few dresses of hers survive. What an interesting vocation. I can't believe that someone would have made alterations to the dress while it was with a private citizen esp knowing the provenance of the dress.
Unfortunately that happens all the time with historical clothing. I think it happens though closer to the time period, so the importance of it may not be completely understood. Think about Kim K getting to wear Marilyn’s iconic dress.
I was so looking forward to it but this was a very unsatisfying video. Far too fast moving and lacking in depth, what was the point of the very quick flashes of the dress? We saw nothing of the construction, stitching, layers etc.
Simply amazing to see something like this still intact!
Therealml
This is just one dress, of all the dresses she had made, by hand, with the finest material man could buy. Oh, the opulence....I love history.
Rose Bertin never "made" a dress, this was reserved to male tailors; Bertin was only selling trims and flowers, lace and ribbons to go on the dress. There is no actual proof that dress was really from Marie Antoinette. The only proof would be a description in a book by an eyewitness, or depicted in a painting.
Oh my! Every stitch done by hand, and all that embroidery!
Sybille Stahl yes and they still do it in the haute couture dresses
The material was of value, not the workman.
I know!! I gasped. Can you imagine? And this was ONE gown. My god the detail makes me swoon.
Oh, they had Minister of Fashion! :D
That gown is gorgeus... all that embroidery and sequins, just marvellous.
She wasnt really "minister of fashion" of course; its the way called her because she was dressing up Marie Antoinette and spend days at the palace talking chiffons and ribbons. She was a big part responsible for the spendings and bad reputation of the queen, because she made her spend tons of money on silly things while people didn't have bread on their table... Marie Antoinette was partly very unpopular for that reason
She was madame deficit
I've seen a set of slippers she wore. She was considered very small for the time, but we are talking tiny here -- doll shoes. It was a bit spooky. I've also seen a dress of Josephine Bonaparte, and wow, she was tiny.
i thought she was considered to be a tall woman for the time?
How tall was she?
@leah rose Could it be that it's so old , it's possibly due to shrinkage.
Begs what we.know of the royals. How old were they really? Ew.
you could look at it the other way around and wonder why we all became so freakishly large?
Beautiful. I didn't realise that any of Marie Antoinettes dresses still existed. Thankyou
They Don’t- 🚫 NONE, even this dress is only attributed to Rose Bertin, but she made lots of Beautiful gowns for lots of Wealthy Women.The only authentic outfit that survives is the Prison chemise she wore on her way to her execution.
a nice view of the dress as a whole would be nice...more time spent on the details instead of the people talking
That must be the most beautiful and satisfying job in the world. Every stitch, the smallest details; all bring it back to what is was then and see it coming alive now.
One of the very few things I have all the patience needed for.
So beautiful I love the embroidery
I would love to wear this dress. Why can't we bring this dresses back in style?
Think of the amount of material needed and the cost!
Yeah, but this dress and the ball gowns from this area are incredibly gorgeous. Who wouldn't want to slip into this number?
you a transvestite Stephen?
Yeah. A little black dress and heels are prettier and way more comfortable than a shirt and tie.
Stephen O-Shea ... Said a man with true conviction! We could also hand over menstruation and baby bearing to you guys too. (wink)
I would love this job
I would probably be tempted too much to wear this dress.
It’s always nice to see what’s being talked about.
This was kinda like smelling your baking bread and
then not being able to open your oven when it’s done🎈
Too bad the quality of the video is so poor, both the focus and the choice of shots. It doesn't give the viewer a true sense of the gown, nor did the conservator nor the curator describe the context for which the gown would have been worn, was it day or night, was it representative of what others right below her station were wearing at the time? It could have been so much more.
Ernest Hopkins Tell me about it
Looks like they filmed this with a toaster
it’s amazing to think that these dresses were worn by a literal queen, OVER 200 YEARS AGO, it’s so phenomenal to think about it. I can’t even explain my feelings right now. It also would’ve been amazing to live in those times- kind of. If you were in an upper class. Before last week, I wasn’t interested in the 1700’s or kings of queens until now. And now i’m wishing I was one of them bc i think it would be really neat to have that life. Just the style of the dresses and the style in general is so interesting. I’m obsessed with all of the womens fashion
Just make sure you do nothing to loose your head over😃
That Is a FANTASTIC piece of Couture art work. How beaitful is the work and detail of that very old WELL MADE dress. I wish items of today were made as well as that on every piece of wares manufactured and sold items. We need that kind of commitment so we have less trash and more prude in beauty , self and care for the pkanet and lives i.e, eachother
Couture clothes of today are made even better...certainly a far better fit. That all comes with a hefty price as well.
Beautiful dress I'd love to wear even a replica
Right. It would be so much more enjoyable to watch these vids if you were to show more of the DRESS!
Good lord making dresses like that fully by hand...
I love Marie Antoinette! ^7^
Omg this is so good!! I love the history!
Beautiful gown. I’d love to see a replica made in its original design.
..... oh my god LOL boy did that joke fly right over my head!!!
Love this Video! Rose Bertin is the first ever Haute Couturier before Charles Frederick Worth
I agree 😉
Nope, Rose Bertin wasnt making dresses; It was a male privilege to shape, cut and create a dress; Rose bertin was providing ribbons and feathers, and was great to make hats that become all the rage (mostly because the queen and princesses were wearing them....)
Marie Antoinette had amazing taste in fashion ❤️♥️❤️
I'm not a history buff.
I want to learn how to make these kinds of dresses so that I may wear them myself. Back then people dressed like every day mattered.
I am pretty sure you could buy one of these dresses on eBay and maybe even the patterns for one. I know that you can find the patterns for civil war ball gowns on eBay.
Lily Rose back then only certain people dressed like that. if you go back in history you're a peasant not an aristocrat so what do you suppose you'll be wearing? rags.
There is a lot of blogs and historical costuming groups that an help you learn. Check out American Duchess on UA-cam
patterns of fashion is an amazing boom series that will most likely teach you alot about the history around everything aswell, but i always tell people to not underestimate even "normal" or modern tailoring and consider that the people traditionally making these garments (and I mean really making then, not "designing") didnt ever receive the credit that they deserved. on the matter of these sorts of clothes only being available for the super rich: clothes were often handed down continually, to the point where the "rags" someone mentioned here were once just as fashionable only less bejeweled as a high lady's gown... stitch in time has an interesting episode on this featuring the coat worn of the hedgeknight i believe (its been a while)
ninasmolders totally agree. If people arent great at self pattern drafting JP ryan and larkin and smith make excellent historically accurate patterns
I wish I could haft a copy of this dress, I think my daughter would be amazing with a dress like that.
What a fascinating job!
So beautiful I'd love to wear dresses like that
I am a guy and even I would love nothing more than to wear a dress like this
Just amazing
what a fascinating Job!!!👸🌷
The Versailles wore an enormous lot of clothing...Like of you agree.
We want MORE!! MORE!! MORE!!
I wonder how much that would cost today, even a copy of it
It's thrilling to see sketches and hear the stories from documents on the French cutoure industry operated by women- from textile manufacture, design, construction, and fitting, to cleaning and maintenance hundreds of years later. All the specialities provided a living for women and their families. Another fascinating and talented member of her court is painter Élisabeth Vigée Le Brun. Marie used her power to hire women, and set an example for the aristocracy.
Lovely! So interesting!
Would have been interesting to know something about her measurements ..... like how tall etc.
And, just a note, it's really quite surprising to read such vile comments and language connected to such a beautiful dress.
Shame !
JONI HAUGHTON UA-cam comments always go south. I try not to read them.
JONI HAUGHTON That’s what I thought. It’s a dress for Pete’s sake.
Who cares if someone is giving a longer response to a shorter question and so on. Thank the person and move on-jeez.
I wish I could see this on display at the ROM.
Amazing!
How beautiful.
Just breathtaking.
Since there is no sewing machine,everything has to be done hand.incredible!
LOVE HAUTE COUTURE !
The curator contaminated her preservation gloves when she touched her hair(and most likely her face)!
I was thinking the same thing!
Gail Spencer Choate are you related to Mr and Mrs Choate who bred Sealyham Terriers in the 30’s and 40’s?
It's my married name and I've never heard my husband mention anyone lie that, although it's possible. Choate isn't a very common name.
It's cringy, I squish every that someone does that...
Beautiful
It would be interesting to know how many hands had exchanged the dress and by what kind of people!
A beautiful and fascinating story but I do wish we'd actually seen the dress rather than and large selection of prints of the period, photo's of Versailles, etc. The dress would speak for itself.
thank you for the interesting video...
Very intresting would like to read the book
So beautiful. I'm just learning to embroider using silk. It's not easy.
Try silk ribbon embroidery. It's goes much faster but is also rich in texture.
Dressforms rarely have heads. It makes it easier to work on the clothing.
Mannequins have heads.
Choosing a dressform here instead of a mannequin possibly with Marie Antoinette's face helps keep the viewer's attention on the gown and not the model.
exactly and to lift it off nobody needs a head on it.
and if you think about it--that is why models are slim and don't smile, so only the clothing is noticeable.
Beautiful clothes, wow.
Marie Antoinette had great taste and her coffuier and dress and shoe designers were extremely creative. I wish they would cover her taste in jewelry and perfume.
She had beautiful jewelry (some of these jewels belonging to the French kingdom) most of these jewels disappeared during French Revolution, stolen, destroyed or melted. The big blue diamond of the French crown - stolen - is now at the Smithsonian institute. Why ?
Ardmore Public Library in Oklahoma, has Court Dolls dressed in Roses’ fabrics! It’s very shocking that they’re slowly disintegrating because the library claims they cannot afford to restore them.
Still sad how her jewelry went up for auction
What was Marie’s height and dress size in today’s sizes?
I’d like to see the process of loaning an item. From packing, shipping to delivery.
I wonder how tall Marie Antoinette was?
Oh my goodness this what I want to do!
It would be dream come true if people start wearing this beautiful dresses with beautiful wig everyone will b looking like a queen and princess 😘 can we go back to the time when people cover up their body more😊
I know. I am a guy and even I would love to wear this dress.
Oh yes to see the whole thing would have been nice.
What a beautiful dress I want a repilca
That dress at the very end looked so simple compared to what she wore in the paintings.
Que hermosos vestidos.
My dad has a trunk of clothes from his great aunt from the late 1800's. They weren't properly stored unfortunately, so I know that they're falling apart. There are places that do restorations, but I bet it would cost a pretty penny.
Is that the original clothes?! Marie Antoinette's actual dresses?!
So they're not actually sure it's hers. It was worn by two people, would the Queen actually have given even her old dresses as hand me downs? Im no expert on the French court during that time period but doesn't it seem like it would belong to one of her ladies in waiting or something?
Marie-Antoinette actually did hand some of her dresses down, although sometimes unwittingly. For instance, when Antoinette arrived to be handed over from Austria to France, the clothes she had on her back were taken off and she was redressed to enter France as the Dauphine. The clothing that was removed was given to the ladies present, and that happened a lot throughout her reign. She only kept certain dresses and state gowns, and even those filled, I think, three bedroom sized closets at Versailles. Moreover, those closets were open to the public!
it was very common to hand clothes or bits of them down when they went out of fashion, and sometimes clothes would travel down the ranks of society until the very poorest peasants wore them in states that were unrecognizable. a stitch in time has a very interesting episode on this phenomenon
@@ndrva people didnt waste nice clothes like they do now, i like that,i sew and know how much labor goes into things
@@PandoraKyss Marie probably gave “out of fashion” dresses away, old shoes, fans, she did give small things to servants etc. However...Not One dress with any kind of a provenance or any kind of proof that she owned or wore it survives. Not 1️⃣ No proof this dress was hers.⬆️
This dress is only attributed to Rose Bertin, the queen's modiste. There isn't any actual, verifiable record of it having been embellished by Bertin (women were forbidden by law from actually making or tailoring women's dresses and other attire. That was the domain of men), or having belonged to Marie-Antoinette, and moreover, it was altered after the Revolution.
Thats actually incorrect. By Maries time women could make gowns, petticoats and shifts. Court gowns (robe a la coeur) and stays were the domain of men as they were still considered to be ‘technically outside women’s abilities ‘ . Court gowns covers a very specific style that were worn to formal state events (at least by MA’s time, the earlier sun king mandated the design and that they should always be worn in court, this lapsed over time) . There is a fab book all about the fashion of MA’s court that goes into the social, economic and political practices of the court
Truth.So tired that this is called Marie Antoinette’s dress, because it might have been made by Rose Bertin. Like saying a dress bought from Dior was owned by Princess Diana.
I wonder why none of the Tudors clothes were kept.
No one really knows what happened to all of her gowns. There's no record of them being sold or destroyed, they just vanished. It's kind of amazing that only a few things survived considering that she had a huge warehouse dedicated to just her wardrobe.
I have seen a hat of Henry the 8 th but the Tudor period was another two hundred years before Marie Antoinette. Also after the civil war a large amount of royal history was destroyed. This is why we don't see Ann boleyn s or Queen Elizabeth s dresses. They are extremely rare and I don't think anything apart from the hat survives of Henry 8th. Most of the crown jewels were broken down. A shame I'd have loved to see the clothes in all their glorious colour.
Most of the clothes deteriorated - everything was made of natural fibers so probably they don't last forever. I have a silk kimono that is about 70 years old and the silk is practically turning to dust. And it was never worn!
I believe they may have found a gown of Elizabeth I, but there are several reasons items from the past are lost forever. One, they may get damaged and the original owners destroy them. Two, in the case of royalty, something these items are past down to friends or servants, and then they aren’t kept well or are eventually destroyed. Three, in the case of Elizabeth, she was succeeded by a man so her clothes wouldn’t be suitable for James and were probably considered unfashionable by his wife Anne. Four, these royal gowns cost more than some people’s yearly salary. If James had no use for them, he would have sold them off, or had them broken apart so parts could be used in new garments. Five... time. Probably a lot of garments from this time just disintegrated. We are talking 400-500 years since the Tudors. There are a handful of small items; a coif of Anne Boleyn’s, a cap of Henry VIII, his armor, and maybe some gloves, stockings and a gown of Elizabeth’s... possibly more, I don’t know.
Graphic Jack It is believed that the altar frontal at a church (sorry, I forget which one,) is made from a dress belonging to Elizabeth I.
What is the song at 3:28?
Wow. To think she might have worn that gown. RIP Marie Antoinette.
She probably didn’t wear it- no proof. It’s just an 18th century gown possibly made by Rose Bertin- that’s all.
Roaming from the East to the West in the royal textile, I have seen all have elaborated needle jobs on the garments by colorful silk material.
For the art views, I see western esp M.A. got much freedom in design than the rigid eastern ones. Imagine M.A. wore them in the big social ball room, very enjoyable for visual or the atmosphere. I can tell she wasn't a big but a slim pretty girl.🙂
Frozen in time
Out of her thousands of dresses we have so few left.
She ordered 300 dresses each year & NONE survived- no proof this was hers.
Is her dresses keeping at meausem?I hop go visit to see them . Thanks
I missed it. Did the discuss measurements and size
stylish design
She died in 1793 not 1789
Soane DeWinter she was queen from 1774 to 1789 however.
No, she was queen until 1792
mika boum She certainly considered herself queen until then. However, to the French people, the start of the French Revolution, 1789, was the end of the monarchy in France.
She was Queen of France from 1774 to 1789, after that she was Queen of the French.
Very nice god bless everyone good night
Someone should have pointed out to the woman with the light page boy haircut that one does NOT put on white cotton gloves to touch a period dress and then pat one's hair with that self-same glove at 3:17. The oil from her hair is now on that glove and can, nay WILL be transferred to that centuries-old dress and that is NOT a good thing.
HistoryBoy--Your snark fails. You can wash your hair right now, this moment, and oils will begin to accumulate, starting at the roots and moving outward. FURTHERMORE, one's hands accumulate oils constantly, or your skin would crack and bleed. We wash our hands, too, in a "civilized world", but the glands in our skin constantly replenish those oils washed away by soap and water.
it survived centuries of oily hands and other highly unproper handling that doesnt meet modern conservation standards, including being altered and worn again!, so I'm sure it will be fine that she touched her hair for a second. its not the end of the world, nor the dress, since the museum wont allow it to disentegrate. she is cleaning it and repairing it so she saved this dress anyways.
I believe I read somewhere that the undergarments had a space that was cut open to necesitate easier access to the commode but with a dress like that you'd still need help so as not to get things soiled. Although beautiful, I can't imagine dressing like that unless you lived a life of leisure and can you imagine the dry cleaning bills?!!!
I'd like a copy of this dress. I wonder if I fit inside or it is too large...I am size 2 or 4.
I want a copy of it too.
We’re about to see marie antoinette’s dress and this is the video quality you burden us with??!!
No proof she owned or wore it.
Quien Tiene la Música
plees the Music
this music is name ?
What size is the dress?
Wish the quality of this video were better.
I watched on a doco it said she wore a new dress everyday? This cant be right. Can anyone clarify for me? Thanks :)
Actually it was Louis XIV that started it. He insisted on different clothes for himself and then all the people living with him did so and then it just became the thing to do. Dressing could take hours- the hair, the pinning and sewing one into garments. Each member of the royal family had a duty during the dressing room at it was decided by royal hierarchy (blood over marriage Duke/ Duchess over Baron/Baroness etc).They could take a bodice from a gown and change the ribbons, lace, etc on it and put it on a different gown and have created a totally new look. So it wasn't really a full "new" dress but she never dressed the same exact way twice until it became unfashionable when she was staying at Petit Trianon where she chose to act like a peasant and dress more simply in white, with less formal clothing.
thanks so much!
She didn't necessarily wear a "new" dress everyday but I've been told she didn't wear the same dress twice and that's because those kinds of gowns came in sections and were literally sewn together as she was prepped in the morning. Different sleeves might have been sewn on to a different bodice which might not have been matched with the same skirt all the time. This was all part of her morning toilette. Each night she stuck pins into the different fabric and color samples she wanted to wear the next day, so it really was all kinds of mix and match.
Marie ordered 300 dresses each year.
She mentions a book at the beginning of the video, but I can’t clearly hear the name/author. Can anyone help?
*Charles Trick Currelly - I Brought the Ages Home*
An excerpt from Google books: Is the intriguing story of how a boy born in southwestern Ontario and trained for the ministry became one of Canada's great archaeological pioneers and museum-builders - nothing less than a homegrown Indiana Jones. I Brought the Ages Home is a lively, adventure-packed memoir that traces Currelly's life from his childhood in Exeter, Ontario, to Victoria College in Toronto, and on to Egypt, Crete, and Asia Minor, where he established his reputation as one of the era's most energetic and passionate collectors of antiquities. Later chapters describe Currelly's work as the first director of the Royal Ontario Museum of Archaeology. General readers and students of archaeology and museology alike will treasure this behind-the-scenes account of the making of one of Canada's great cultural institutions.
There are few reviews but one did mention how this was a real eye opener on how museum artifacts used to be acquired in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries.
*Note* - this book is actually about his adventures in archaeology, and acquisitions, along with the founding of the museum; not textiles and costuming.
@@claudeusgothicus6453 Excellent book, very interesting. I just read it after reading this comment.
wow
May I ask why Marie Antoinette is so famous and still passionate people around the world? I'm French, of course I know she was our queen but I mean in France we don't really make a big deal about her
We still do. She is still popular because she and the king died when frenh people decided to make a revolution, which never happened before; And they dried from it, nad the guillotine left a very scary and strong impression on people around the world; Thats whe we still talk about them
Titles of the back gorund music?
bought it at clothing discount store for $19.99
Could you whip the camera shots any faster? Too darn fast. The eyes barely focus on it for a second.
Can anyone know the title of the back ground music?
Marie-Antoinette was ca 1m68 high, 109 cm chest, 58 cm waist, and 36,5 shoes (french). Sorry I don't know the english system inches, feet, all this.
So beautiful. A pity more of her clothes and shoes did not survive.
Some shoes, jewelry, handkerchiefs, swatches of dresses, & the prison chemise are pretty much all that survived- no proof this dress was hers, just wishful thinking.