Not trying to give any RV dealerships any suggestions, but your videos ALWAYS provide enough information to aid in a buying decision. I have watched over 20+ RV dealership sales videos of the 59G but have come across none where the host laid flat the bed, commented on the dimensions, and noted the comfort for one (and definitely not for two). Observation - To be honest, I believe most guys (the less athletic ones) don't lay on the bed and negotiate the bathroom because the video would wind up as a blooper segment / 'left on the cutting room floor'. I appreciate you showing how things work, calling out the challenges, but putting these challenges in context of the asking price for the RV.
wow Anthony thank you very much for noticing and appreciating the videos reviews that I do. I really try to go honest reviews that you won't find on UA-cam. love the bloopers comment! probably more true then we like to believe! thanks for watching as always.
I like the way you do your reviews. You show the good and bad and tell us why. I think RV manufacturers should watch your reviews and take notes. I appreciate it because I'll be buying my own class B in a couple of years and this helps me know what I need to look for. I'll know to look past all the new fancy gloss and check the little things like positive locking mechanisms.
well thank you very much Michele of the Oaks. I know of at least one manufacturer, Pleasureway that watches my videos and indeed makes changes to their models in part due to what I'm saying in my reviews! I speak to Pleasureway's CEO regularly and he's always helpful and open to suggestions. can't say that about the other manufacturers at this time unfortunately.
I’ve been watching your channel religiously and to be honest your videos are amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time out to create this content for us. Probably in the next six months or so I’m going to be buying either a class B or a B+ i’m leaning toward the hymer akive for the price and warranty but I’m really liking the unity corner bed for the livability and space
lol up SAST.... you need to go into both a class b and a class b+ and see how you feel inside each one for yourself. We're the Russos like the idea of a really small class b - like about the size of mine. but Creativity RV likes her Leisure Travel Unity class b+. if you're going to be parking it in a city then maybe the b is the best. Creativity RV doesn't park in the city so the b+ works well for her.
Love your videos! I keep coming back to this camper because of the way it's laid out and the size. Things I'd change would be no sink in the wet bath, awning windows and I'd rather have a regular kitchen faucet with a sprayer. Hope someday I'll be able to afford one, till then I'll just keep watching you.
This looks like the 2019 to me. The 2018 had a refrigerator/freezer with only a single door and does not have the galley window. I do enjoy your videos. Thank you.
Neil, my husband and I love your reviews! You think of things that others may would not think about. This is very helpful with us being first-timers. We are thinking about getting a Class B soon but it is looking like the Travato 59g is the only one we like that is still within our budget. Our dream is one of Pleasure Way Plateau models.
But mad respect the ultra Mobility as he always tells you whether he sponsored or not not like some of the other channels they're looking to benefit and profit off your viewing experience
I appreciate your saying this casaaprile. other RV lifestyle channels get touchy when you ask them if they are sponsored. I don't understand why. if you're sponsored just be up front about it. don't hide it and don't try to fool people into thinking that you're not. if you feel defensive there must be a reason. maybe these sponsored channels should ask themselves why they are defensive? why don't they want to be up front with their viewers? maybe the answer is that they like the money but don't want to lose viewers. well, you can't keep your cake and eat it too as they say. I hope you viewers continue to press these other channels to be up front with their sponsorships. they need to stop pretending that their sponsor doesn't call the shots. one channel that I know of is sponsored by a large RV manufacturer and they have NEVER said anything bad about that sponsor or their products. they pretend to their viewers that they aren't sponsored and only grudgingly admit that they are sponsored when a viewer asks and then call those viewers "trolls" for asking. it isn't fair to viewers.
Decor is better in this one. Nice bathroom. I don't like the bed when down. Not for me, but l understand this is a popular model so they must be doing something right.
Hi Neil - love your videos...correction though. My 2018 Pleasureway LEXOR has a stainless steel sink in the bathroom. I love, love, love my Lexor. I think it is just about the minimum size for 2 people- we go for 7-10 nights easily, and the maximum size to (easily) drive and park. I drive it to work every day, I can park in any Trader Joe's parking lot, as well as Costco, where I also get my gasoline. We get about 18mpg overall. Comfy bed, big enough refrigerator, never-ending power with solar. Pretty perfect, as your Lexor review showed.
The 1 year warranty is for Winnebago items only. The RAM Promaster has a much longer warranty. Most of the components have 2-3 year warranties (NovaKool fridge, etc). It's a Class B. So the WGO warranty is not that important to me.
Looking at a used 2019 Travato 59G about 5,000 miles. $89,500, firm. Private owner about 250 miles from where I live. Is that price OK? Other than having the engine checked by a mechanic, and a detailed "walk-through" with the owner, what do you suggest?
Thank you! Short list includes the Travato 59K & Pleasure Lexor TS. Saw an older review of 2015 Lexor. The under belly was scary poor. Shocking since the interior fit finish is superior. Travato was superior underneath. We need to look under a new Lexor to check if they have improved.
horrible fit finish. too much left exposed, unprotected. my spouse is a diesel tech. the look on his face said it all. I am not a tech and could see it. check out the review that shows it. He goes under at 14:45 ua-cam.com/video/BSNnRFdFwRI/v-deo.html Then check the Travato underside, neat tidy. They have a review of that as well. Holding our decision until we see a new Lexor underside.
Hi Neil :), even though I have settled on my dream, Lexor ts, I really couldn't have done it with out all your rv videos detailing all the things ordinary people may miss. I think PW will eventually go to stainless if you keep mentioning;;))....unless it's adds too much weight. ... You are such an accommodating host to your subscribers and so nice to read all the gratitude given you for what you do. You deserve it!......Haven't seen George in a while. Looking forward to his next video, as well as yours. TTFN
Great videography, decent van but at 6’3” I’m forced to wait for a company to make a small semi integrated B plus or small Class C with front lounge that is so common in the EU. Good work Neil :)
I've read terrible things about dodge ram vans / Fiat Ducato. My thoughts were why would Winnebago use them if they were so bad (I guess $$$) What is your experience? I want a Sprinter based class B but I'm new to the RV game. Thank You
Another awesome review, thank you! This Winnebago Travato 59G sleeps 3, but only has seat w/seatbelts for 2? Does the 3rd person have to live dangerously to travel in this RV?
A little kid could sleep under the bed on a air mattress or futon. making it a bunk bed and three sleeping areas in a class B. This makes it by far the most family friendly B class. With the bed up there is the driving seats, table couch. Chair across from the couch, and couch where the bed goes. Four working spaces. Again, this design is so flexible. I have been torn between a class C and this and after watching your video feel that the flexibility of this design allows it to be family friendly enough support my gang. I hate the way c classes are so boxy and just too ugly to the point they will raise so much attention.
I wonder if you could hang a TV on that wall where the bed is if it was on a movable arm because it would need to be moved out when lowering the bed... What do you think
As many have stated, your channel is very informative. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any discussion of the used Class B market. I would be curious what the sweet spot is in depreciation and still having that new feel, as well as the pitfalls of buying used low mileage Class B's. Thank you. I'm thinking of going full time but am concerned about the small square footage of a class B as opposed to a fifth wheel. I wonder if over time it will feel like a jail cell. On the hand, I am extremely concerned about the fit, finish, and reliability of a fifth wheel. Maybe just overthinking my decision.
well quality is always an issue as is living space. you really have to think through the living space. you don't want to buy something and then regret it. some people love small spaces and some people don't. you may want to consider something like a "b+" as they are small enough to drive around in cities but give you more living space inside.
Could the stapled construction concern that you expressed be something I could effectively cure with with my own elbow grease and a pile of wood screws?
Thx for all your videos. Does the Promaster when used in an RV have tilt wheel, front windows that go all the way down, and driver seat height adjustment? And did they stop the headlights from burning out so fast?
Thank you for your reviews. I love your channel. Are there any other vans that have a great place to work like this one? I use a notebook but need to use a very monitor or two smaller monitors. So the lounge table looks awesome on this model.
The layout on this is terrible. What class B do you recommend for a couple with a toddler that wants to do weekend boondocking as well as urban camping in Southern California and Baja?
lol wouldn't that be something? love George over at Humble Road. Love what he's doing - that he's sharing so much of what he's learning. thanks for the comment Jeff!
It's not free - for a fraction of that 20k price difference, you could buy an extended warranty for the winnebago. Considering the reported quality problems, you'd need that 6 year warranty - especially if you get eco trek & volt start.
wincrasher2007 - well kind of... as far as I know the Zion doesn't use stick framing and staples. the price difference between the two is not $20k once you're done negotiating. they are about the same.
layout is strange Claude. I don't prefer the small bed in the back that can only comfortably sleep 1. reviewers never mention that small bed and I don't understand why. it isn't practical for 2 people. that means the 59g is only really suitable for a single person.
This was the first layout Winnebago came out with. Essentially, this is the prime layout in the European market - although their twist on it is the bathroom. Most eurovans would not have that refrigerator/microwave stack - that would be a tiny bathroom with a cassette toilet (like in the Aktiv) and the bed would span the rear of the van. Winnebago's thinking was that since you could seat and sleep 4, it would be more appealing to the youngish families and grandparents.
they need proper 3-pt seatbelts on the jumpseat if they want to entice families. no family is going to use this van's jump seats for their children with only lap restraints. if that was their intention then their product designer needs to be fired. just my thinking. sorry to be so harsh but I get tired of marketing departments designing these vans. they want their bullet points in the brochures but then don't want to spend the money making all the decisions necessary to support that marketing pitch. don't market it as a 4 person van that sleeps 4 because it can't really carry 4 passengers safely and two people can't really sleep in the rear bed.
Any chance that you could review which B+'s have kid-friendly 3-pt seat belts or car seat tethers? The Coachmen Galleria has 4 shoulder harnesses, but is on the small size.
Neil..... Do you have an update for your next series of Live Chat events? Would like to get your insights on the purchase / ownership experience with Class B manufacturers. After speaking with Pleasure-Way, I forget how small they are relative to Winnebago and others. Thanks in advance.
hi there Anthony. I'm dying to do another live stream! I got slammed these last couple week because we had visitors in town from out of the country and my daughter is out of school am I'm spending as much time as I can with her. I was hoping that UA-cam would give me the community tab when I hit 10,000 subscribers but they said it is in beta and won't give it to me. if I had that I could message out to all of you when I plan on doing the next live stream. hopefully soon. maybe next week?
yep the cushions are removable and do make a second bed as I mention towards the end of the video but they should still be attached in some fashion when in place so that they don't slide around while you are driving.
The huge thing that is disappointing to me, a potential future buyer of something like a Travato 59G (I'd love a GL, but it may end up out of my price range) is the generator is a LOUD piece of crap. How come I can get a small, portable, much quieter unit as a stand-alone, but RV makers can't get something better than the loud obnoxious Onan generators they use?
I don't know to me if you're going to use it camping and out in the wilderness then I suggest you don't buy something so expensive get something that you won't mind damaging or getting dirty or anything like if you're retiring and over 65 than sure spend the extra money if you're going to long-term in it or full-time in it but if you're not and you're just using it as a test bed see if you like it or not or to use it for a couple of years in the outdoors I suggest don't get something with such a pretty finishings get something a little less expensive first and then figure out what you like
I don't see why you couldn't upgrade the windows after market. the company who makes them is called CR Lawrence and their windows are great. if you want to see what they look like on a promaster take a look at the Lexor from Pleasureway. They use the upgraded cr Lawrence windows in their Lexor vans.
only a person with an eye for detail and design would notice! I guess many of us don't have the eye since this particular model sells very well here in north America!
Awesome review like always, But I have a lot of dislikes.. I’m a very picky person.. tv location no, kitchen sink no, no conviction oven no, bathroom door no, exterior shower location no. Speakers near the roofline no, black tank flush on the camp side absolutely no, if they can change these things. The van would be perfect for me.. 😁
hey Brian it is a bit small width-wise. I couldn't see two people sleeping comfortably back there but James and Steph over at the Fit RV do it so maybe I'm wrong...
Winnebago has gone to the new window shade system that looks great on paper. They no longer rattle and you don't have to worry about how to secure them. They also have the dual-pane acrylic windows as an option. But you don't like the look of them? I haven't seen in person.
hey Jay. I just find that plastic casing around the window shades to be cheap looking. I like my mcd shades. they don't rattle; provide great blackout; are simple to use and clean and get up and out of the way without needing an ugly plastic frame around them. just my choice.
They are asking $83,000...was wondering why at beginning of video. When you stated that batteries are NOT lithium, then I knew why...but are lithium batteries so expensive? thx as always
That's the crap system in the Hymers & Roadtrek. The Pure 3 system is $29k MSRP option (the street price is about 70% of that). What you get is a huge battery - 10kW, a second alternator that charges at 48V, an autostart system, and a whole house 30 amp, 3600 watt inverter. It's an extremely capable system and is the same as what is put into the high $ Advanced RV Sprinters.
yeah they are expensive. I would never need 10kw of lithium batteries. I don't need to run my rooftop ac off batteries. for me 400ah would be perfect. I have 200ah and that works for me right now.
yep. I thought it was a 2018 when I videoed but then a viewer pointed out that it is a 2019 and indeed you can see a frame in the video where the window sticker says 2019 so that was my fault!
very good description of one of the most popular camper vans over the past few years. To each his own . Ive never been a fan but do understand with the price point why so many are
And it has only a 1 year warranty on an $80,000+ vehicle. Doesn't make since🖓🖓🖓 one if the many reasons I like the Hymer Aktiv 2.0 more🖒🖒🖒 Thank you for doing these, makes my research easier 😉😉😉
I like the design of both the 59K and 59G. Just poorly executed and an awful warranty. I’m assuming you saw TFL truck did a full review of the MBZ 4 x4 van? A 6 month wait list, wow. And with the new year model coming out this could be a major problem for van builders. You would think a company like VW would swoop in for some of that market share. Or some other company like Dodge or Ford would make an AWD version. I really hope this doesn’t cause Camper vans on the MBZ chassis to become even more expensive (ie the Revel).
Ultramobility have been meaning to share this link as well. A few weeks ago on one of your Q&A’s we talked about the VW ID Buzz. “Fully Charged” was lucky enough to be able to drive the prototype. Great video and an excellent history lesson. ua-cam.com/video/TQut6ks3nSY/v-deo.html
ben check out the 16:30 mark where they talk about how they couldn't take this 4x4 on a certain stretch because of its height. keep in mind that this is not the tall version of the sprinter which is what is needed for camper vans. once you put the extra height in and add in the roof top components id be worried about the center of gravity being too high. just me though. I like it but agree with Dean that it's not ready for camper van prime time.
i liked its price - at least at the time of the recording. since then winnebago has upped the price so i don't like that as much. i like the size of the bathroom. i like the garage. i like the accessories like the ladder and bike rack. i like the new lithium upgrade.
Such a biased reviewed compared to your Aktiv review. Almost went out of your way for "I'm not a big fan of" items while disregarding like features shared with the Aktiv. I.E. Spent time praising all the wonderful Dodge Proram features of the Aktiv when it's the exacting same platform of the Travato. Your obvious biased preference for the Hymer brand IMHO taints your review.
thanks for your comment. I point out things that need to be pointed out. the travato comes with a 1 year warranty. that's a major problem and things like construction, stick framing and staples need to be highlighted. I've said in other videos I won't recommend any RV that comes with a 1 year warranty. the Aktiv comes with a 6 year warranty. for the things that I said I'm not a big fan of like the marine style sink and the tambour door I did also mention in th aktiv review. some things like the sliding screen door and low hanging cabinets in the lounge are not present on the aktiv I reviewed. as far as the ram Promaster features - I mentioned those in passing on the aktiv - I wouldn't characterize it as praising the promaster. I don't feel the need to do that on every review because most people know about the chassis. I don't recommend the 59g for its price. you'd be much better going for the aktiv with its superior warranty and better options like volstart and eco-trek. I could have been harsher on the 59g like pointing out that I think its energy system is inadequate for the 6.7cf refrigerator. if you don't like this review just wait until I do a head to head with the 59g and the aktiv. then you'll really not like me...
except people that actually have ownership knowledge will tell you that the Zamp solar has no problem keeping ahead of the fridge, that the Volta system option is light years ahead of Hymer/Roadtrek and that the Voltstart doesn't work in many installations, and that their battery setup is a kludge at best, with a 12v lead acid battery installed to make it work and that the BMS has a 60 watt parasitic load, so they have to have separate units at 200 AH each, which severely restricts your capability. All these details you don't know, because you insist on doing reviews like a realtor, not an RV enthusiast or technician.
Ultramobility Don't take it personally, I didn't say I didn't like you. Just drinking a bit too much of that Hymer kool-aid to offer up a fair unbiased comparison review.
🎬 1 📽 🎞 🗣 🎙 🧐 🚐🌎🌍🌏 🚐 Outstanding, thank you so much for sharing. 🤔 🧐 ❤❤❤❤❤ 🚐 RV Journey ROAD TRIP! 🚐 🗺 traveling in the ... 2018 Winnebago Travato 59G Wow I am surprised that this is 2018 with not much innovative benefits. Well, the price is excellent...keep it three years then upgrade! It is well Ultramobility...Class B RV buyers pay attention...
It's all about the short camper van. Have you seen my other reviews of class b vans under 21 feet in length? ua-cam.com/video/3Xa2hh4i-sk/v-deo.html
Ultramobility thnx
Not trying to give any RV dealerships any suggestions, but your videos ALWAYS provide enough information to aid in a buying decision. I have watched over 20+ RV dealership sales videos of the 59G but have come across none where the host laid flat the bed, commented on the dimensions, and noted the comfort for one (and definitely not for two).
Observation - To be honest, I believe most guys (the less athletic ones) don't lay on the bed and negotiate the bathroom because the video would wind up as a blooper segment / 'left on the cutting room floor'.
I appreciate you showing how things work, calling out the challenges, but putting these challenges in context of the asking price for the RV.
wow Anthony thank you very much for noticing and appreciating the videos reviews that I do. I really try to go honest reviews that you won't find on UA-cam. love the bloopers comment! probably more true then we like to believe! thanks for watching as always.
Bed has plenty of room for two if you still like your spouse!!
I like the way you do your reviews. You show the good and bad and tell us why. I think RV manufacturers should watch your reviews and take notes. I appreciate it because I'll be buying my own class B in a couple of years and this helps me know what I need to look for. I'll know to look past all the new fancy gloss and check the little things like positive locking mechanisms.
well thank you very much Michele of the Oaks. I know of at least one manufacturer, Pleasureway that watches my videos and indeed makes changes to their models in part due to what I'm saying in my reviews! I speak to Pleasureway's CEO regularly and he's always helpful and open to suggestions. can't say that about the other manufacturers at this time unfortunately.
I’ve been watching your channel religiously and to be honest your videos are amazing. Thank you so much for taking the time out to create this content for us. Probably in the next six months or so I’m going to be buying either a class B or a B+ i’m leaning toward the hymer akive for the price and warranty but I’m really liking the unity corner bed for the livability and space
wow thank you very much David. do you plan on living out of the van or using it strictly for recreation?
To be honest with you I want the ability to do both. I’ve been up SAST with the whole tiny House movement for a few years now.
To be honest with you I want the ability to do both. I’ve been up SAST with the whole tiny House movement for a few years now.
lol up SAST.... you need to go into both a class b and a class b+ and see how you feel inside each one for yourself. We're the Russos like the idea of a really small class b - like about the size of mine. but Creativity RV likes her Leisure Travel Unity class b+. if you're going to be parking it in a city then maybe the b is the best. Creativity RV doesn't park in the city so the b+ works well for her.
Love your videos! I keep coming back to this camper because of the way it's laid out and the size. Things I'd change would be no sink in the wet bath, awning windows and I'd rather have a regular kitchen faucet with a sprayer. Hope someday I'll be able to afford one, till then I'll just keep watching you.
This looks like the 2019 to me. The 2018 had a refrigerator/freezer with only a single door and does not have the galley window. I do enjoy your videos. Thank you.
wow perhaps I got it wrong then... thanks for pointing that out. I thought the sticker said 2018 but it could have well said 2019.
Well done review as always! The addition of the galley kitchen window and solar panels are a nice touch enhancement for this year! Thanks Neal!
yep they keep improving them!
Neil, my husband and I love your reviews! You think of things that others may would not think about. This is very helpful with us being first-timers. We are thinking about getting a Class B soon but it is looking like the Travato 59g is the only one we like that is still within our budget. Our dream is one of Pleasure Way Plateau models.
But mad respect the ultra Mobility as he always tells you whether he sponsored or not not like some of the other channels they're looking to benefit and profit off your viewing experience
I appreciate your saying this casaaprile. other RV lifestyle channels get touchy when you ask them if they are sponsored. I don't understand why. if you're sponsored just be up front about it. don't hide it and don't try to fool people into thinking that you're not. if you feel defensive there must be a reason. maybe these sponsored channels should ask themselves why they are defensive? why don't they want to be up front with their viewers? maybe the answer is that they like the money but don't want to lose viewers. well, you can't keep your cake and eat it too as they say. I hope you viewers continue to press these other channels to be up front with their sponsorships. they need to stop pretending that their sponsor doesn't call the shots. one channel that I know of is sponsored by a large RV manufacturer and they have NEVER said anything bad about that sponsor or their products. they pretend to their viewers that they aren't sponsored and only grudgingly admit that they are sponsored when a viewer asks and then call those viewers "trolls" for asking. it isn't fair to viewers.
Decor is better in this one. Nice bathroom. I don't like the bed when down. Not for me, but l understand this is a popular model so they must be doing something right.
they must indeed be doing something right!
Hi Neil - love your videos...correction though. My 2018 Pleasureway LEXOR has a stainless steel sink in the bathroom. I love, love, love my Lexor. I think it is just about the minimum size for 2 people- we go for 7-10 nights easily, and the maximum size to (easily) drive and park. I drive it to work every day, I can park in any Trader Joe's parking lot, as well as Costco, where I also get my gasoline. We get about 18mpg overall. Comfy bed, big enough refrigerator, never-ending power with solar. Pretty perfect, as your Lexor review showed.
hi there Van 0'Love. yep but the Plateau FL and the Ascent TS still have plastic sinks!
Oh, didn't realize that. I stand corrected.
So few reviews of RVs on UA-cam go into real criticism. Appreciate the balance.
thank you lartrak!
I love your honest reviews.... for 83k, the quality, and only a one year warranty....🤔
Tabitha - that 1 year warranty is the killer for me. they need to up their warranty game seriously.
The 1 year warranty is for Winnebago items only. The RAM Promaster has a much longer warranty. Most of the components have 2-3 year warranties (NovaKool fridge, etc). It's a Class B. So the WGO warranty is not that important to me.
Looking at a used 2019 Travato 59G about 5,000 miles. $89,500, firm. Private owner about 250 miles from where I live. Is that price OK? Other than having the engine checked by a mechanic, and a detailed "walk-through" with the owner, what do you suggest?
Almost 6,000 miles...still low mileage.
Beautiful floor plan definitely one of the best and most convenient ones for its type
Thank you! Short list includes the Travato 59K & Pleasure Lexor TS. Saw an older review of 2015 Lexor. The under belly was scary poor. Shocking since the interior fit finish is superior. Travato was superior underneath. We need to look under a new Lexor to check if they have improved.
hi spell madam. what about the underside of the Lexor was scary poor... just wondering...
horrible fit finish. too much left exposed, unprotected. my spouse is a diesel tech. the look on his face said it all. I am not a tech and could see it. check out the review that shows it. He goes under at 14:45 ua-cam.com/video/BSNnRFdFwRI/v-deo.html Then check the Travato underside, neat tidy. They have a review of that as well. Holding our decision until we see a new Lexor underside.
spell madam - do you have a link to the underside of a travato? would love to take a look at it in comparison.
start at 17:09 ua-cam.com/video/ya1GjCHXGjg/v-deo.html
thank you for sharing that link on the travato Spell Madam.
Hi Neil :), even though I have settled on my dream, Lexor ts, I really couldn't have done it with out all your rv videos detailing all the things ordinary people may miss. I think PW will eventually go to stainless if you keep mentioning;;))....unless it's adds too much weight. ...
You are such an accommodating host to your subscribers and so nice to read all the gratitude given you for what you do. You deserve it!......Haven't seen George in a while. Looking forward to his next video, as well as yours. TTFN
Vickie, thank you so much for your comment. I'm glad that my videos are reinforcing your choice of the Lexor TS!
Neil, well done as always !!! Great insight. - thanks again for a great video.
mpgolfzen - thank you very much for watching and being a subscriber!
Thank you for making this great videos! Always looking forward to the next one!
Great videography, decent van but at 6’3” I’m forced to wait for a company to make a small semi integrated B plus or small Class C with front lounge that is so common in the EU. Good work Neil :)
I've read terrible things about dodge ram vans / Fiat Ducato. My thoughts were why would Winnebago use them if they were so bad (I guess $$$) What is your experience? I want a Sprinter based class B but I'm new to the RV game. Thank You
Another awesome review, thank you! This Winnebago Travato 59G sleeps 3, but only has seat w/seatbelts for 2? Does the 3rd person have to live dangerously to travel in this RV?
lol yes.
Another excellent video as always, Neil.
Wendy (wonder woman) thank you very much!
A little kid could sleep under the bed on a air mattress or futon. making it a bunk bed and three sleeping areas in a class B. This makes it by far the most family friendly B class. With the bed up there is the driving seats, table couch. Chair across from the couch, and couch where the bed goes. Four working spaces. Again, this design is so flexible. I have been torn between a class C and this and after watching your video feel that the flexibility of this design allows it to be family friendly enough support my gang. I hate the way c classes are so boxy and just too ugly to the point they will raise so much attention.
what a nice comment thank you
With only 260 ft lb of torque, how will the travato perform ascending mountains. Is there an ecoboost option for RAM?
I like your info inside the presentation
I wonder if you could hang a TV on that wall where the bed is if it was on a movable arm because it would need to be moved out when lowering the bed... What do you think
As many have stated, your channel is very informative. Maybe I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any discussion of the used Class B market. I would be curious what the sweet spot is in depreciation and still having that new feel, as well as the pitfalls of buying used low mileage Class B's. Thank you. I'm thinking of going full time but am concerned about the small square footage of a class B as opposed to a fifth wheel. I wonder if over time it will feel like a jail cell. On the hand, I am extremely concerned about the fit, finish, and reliability of a fifth wheel. Maybe just overthinking my decision.
well quality is always an issue as is living space. you really have to think through the living space. you don't want to buy something and then regret it. some people love small spaces and some people don't. you may want to consider something like a "b+" as they are small enough to drive around in cities but give you more living space inside.
Once again great review Neil .
why thank you again Patricia. always glad when you watch and enjoy my videos!
Could the stapled construction concern that you expressed be something I could effectively cure with with my own elbow grease and a pile of wood screws?
Thx for all your videos. Does the Promaster when used in an RV have tilt wheel, front windows that go all the way down, and driver seat height adjustment? And did they stop the headlights from burning out so fast?
promaster has tilt but not telescoping steering wheel. front windows go all the way down. not sure about the headlights.
Thank you for your reviews. I love your channel. Are there any other vans that have a great place to work like this one? I use a notebook but need to use a very monitor or two smaller monitors. So the lounge table looks awesome on this model.
thank you!
The layout on this is terrible. What class B do you recommend for a couple with a toddler that wants to do weekend boondocking as well as urban camping in Southern California and Baja?
you need a coach with 3-pt seatbelts and preferably the latch system for a car seat.
@@Ultramobility Ok, thanks.
Your clip is titled "2019", but at the beginning, you say "2018". So which is it??? 2019 or 2018???
2019.
Good video as usual. You and humble road need to get together and start your own class b rv company.
lol wouldn't that be something? love George over at Humble Road. Love what he's doing - that he's sharing so much of what he's learning. thanks for the comment Jeff!
you are right; where does the second person sleep in the back? perhaps a bunk bed would be better. :). Seriously.
Thank you, I am torn between this model Travato 59G or the Road Trek Zion; keep the videos coming!
tough choice but I'd go for the Zion. 6 year warranty vs. 1 year on the travato.
Ultramobility I am leaning that way, in all of my research and watching your videos the warranty is very important! Thanks again😊
It's not free - for a fraction of that 20k price difference, you could buy an extended warranty for the winnebago. Considering the reported quality problems, you'd need that 6 year warranty - especially if you get eco trek & volt start.
wincrasher2007 - well kind of... as far as I know the Zion doesn't use stick framing and staples. the price difference between the two is not $20k once you're done negotiating. they are about the same.
Tks Neil, price wise it's very good, but the layout ?????
layout is strange Claude. I don't prefer the small bed in the back that can only comfortably sleep 1. reviewers never mention that small bed and I don't understand why. it isn't practical for 2 people. that means the 59g is only really suitable for a single person.
This was the first layout Winnebago came out with. Essentially, this is the prime layout in the European market - although their twist on it is the bathroom. Most eurovans would not have that refrigerator/microwave stack - that would be a tiny bathroom with a cassette toilet (like in the Aktiv) and the bed would span the rear of the van. Winnebago's thinking was that since you could seat and sleep 4, it would be more appealing to the youngish families and grandparents.
they need proper 3-pt seatbelts on the jumpseat if they want to entice families. no family is going to use this van's jump seats for their children with only lap restraints. if that was their intention then their product designer needs to be fired. just my thinking. sorry to be so harsh but I get tired of marketing departments designing these vans. they want their bullet points in the brochures but then don't want to spend the money making all the decisions necessary to support that marketing pitch. don't market it as a 4 person van that sleeps 4 because it can't really carry 4 passengers safely and two people can't really sleep in the rear bed.
I am looking for a review of the 2019 59G, are there any differences? Thank you!
this van price plz
Any chance that you could review which B+'s have kid-friendly 3-pt seat belts or car seat tethers? The Coachmen Galleria has 4 shoulder harnesses, but is on the small size.
i'm not aware of any b+ at the moment that has 3-pt seatbelts unfortunately...
Neil.....
Do you have an update for your next series of Live Chat events? Would like to get your insights on the purchase / ownership experience with Class B manufacturers. After speaking with Pleasure-Way, I forget how small they are relative to Winnebago and others. Thanks in advance.
hi there Anthony. I'm dying to do another live stream! I got slammed these last couple week because we had visitors in town from out of the country and my daughter is out of school am I'm spending as much time as I can with her. I was hoping that UA-cam would give me the community tab when I hit 10,000 subscribers but they said it is in beta and won't give it to me. if I had that I could message out to all of you when I plan on doing the next live stream. hopefully soon. maybe next week?
Swift 1640and Auto sleepers kingham from UK have simular set ups but there bathrooms are smaller but you get a reasonable double bed
the larger bathroom makes little sense when it means your bed cannot sleep two people. agree with you.
Yeah I'd take a few less inches of space in the bathroom for a bigger bed and more counter space.
$83,000? Their website shows starting at $113,000
FYI, the cushions are removable to make another bed up front.
yep the cushions are removable and do make a second bed as I mention towards the end of the video but they should still be attached in some fashion when in place so that they don't slide around while you are driving.
The huge thing that is disappointing to me, a potential future buyer of something like a Travato 59G (I'd love a GL, but it may end up out of my price range) is the generator is a LOUD piece of crap. How come I can get a small, portable, much quieter unit as a stand-alone, but RV makers can't get something better than the loud obnoxious Onan generators they use?
I don't know to me if you're going to use it camping and out in the wilderness then I suggest you don't buy something so expensive get something that you won't mind damaging or getting dirty or anything like if you're retiring and over 65 than sure spend the extra money if you're going to long-term in it or full-time in it but if you're not and you're just using it as a test bed see if you like it or not or to use it for a couple of years in the outdoors I suggest don't get something with such a pretty finishings get something a little less expensive first and then figure out what you like
that's good advice casaprile!
did you see this at an event..."window price" is good at $83,000...don't see that low of price on the window...curious
nope this was at Lamesa RV. the price is visible on the front windshield.
Is that something that you can do after purchasing?
I don't see why you couldn't upgrade the windows after market. the company who makes them is called CR Lawrence and their windows are great. if you want to see what they look like on a promaster take a look at the Lexor from Pleasureway. They use the upgraded cr Lawrence windows in their Lexor vans.
White window frame,black screen dor frame,wood trims on sliding door,,lcabinets different colors, there is any taste?
only a person with an eye for detail and design would notice! I guess many of us don't have the eye since this particular model sells very well here in north America!
I know you mentioned this before in your Hymer akive video you just wish that it had bigger windows but I love everything else
yeah I really wish that they would consider putting in CR Lawrence windows in the back like my Ascent has. it would open it up completely.
Great Review!
thanks allan very much!
Awesome review like always, But I have a lot of dislikes.. I’m a very picky person.. tv location no, kitchen sink no, no conviction oven no, bathroom door no, exterior shower location no. Speakers near the roofline no, black tank flush on the camp side absolutely no, if they can change these things. The van would be perfect for me.. 😁
Craig, it's good to see that you have specific likes and wants. the more of this that you have the better. thanks for watching!
Ultramobility no problem, it’s weird how some of these RVs are design..
Could you please do a review of the 2019 Coachmen Crossfit 22C model as I am considering it to a Pleasure Way Lexar TS.Thank You.
hi robert. noted.
Can you get convection microwave in that
i thought it is one?
2019 Title and 2018 Van?
Thanks Neil another great review a good price, The bed looks a bit small width wise.
hey Brian it is a bit small width-wise. I couldn't see two people sleeping comfortably back there but James and Steph over at the Fit RV do it so maybe I'm wrong...
Would you please review and share your thoughts on the Unity corner bed by leisure travel vans.
hey David. yep I have it videoed. I have to edit and release it. I could do it for maybe the week after next?
Thank you so very much that would be wonderful
Winnebago has gone to the new window shade system that looks great on paper. They no longer rattle and you don't have to worry about how to secure them. They also have the dual-pane acrylic windows as an option. But you don't like the look of them? I haven't seen in person.
hey Jay. I just find that plastic casing around the window shades to be cheap looking. I like my mcd shades. they don't rattle; provide great blackout; are simple to use and clean and get up and out of the way without needing an ugly plastic frame around them. just my choice.
Thanks, Neil.
thanks for watching daseteam!
I love the 360 presentation
glad you like it!
They are asking $83,000...was wondering why at beginning of video. When you stated that batteries are NOT lithium, then I knew why...but are lithium batteries so expensive? thx as always
yes lithium batteries are expensive. I'm not sure how much more they add. I think on my ascent they add something like $5k for 200amp hours.
That's the crap system in the Hymers & Roadtrek. The Pure 3 system is $29k MSRP option (the street price is about 70% of that). What you get is a huge battery - 10kW, a second alternator that charges at 48V, an autostart system, and a whole house 30 amp, 3600 watt inverter. It's an extremely capable system and is the same as what is put into the high $ Advanced RV Sprinters.
yeah they are expensive. I would never need 10kw of lithium batteries. I don't need to run my rooftop ac off batteries. for me 400ah would be perfect. I have 200ah and that works for me right now.
Your title said 2019...and you said 2018???
yep. I thought it was a 2018 when I videoed but then a viewer pointed out that it is a 2019 and indeed you can see a frame in the video where the window sticker says 2019 so that was my fault!
very good description of one of the most popular camper vans over the past few years. To each his own . Ive never been a fan but do understand with the price point why so many are
I've never been a fan either since the first time I walked into one in 2014 but they are popular.
Could you please review the homer sonne
hi Tim - I don't think that's available yet here in North America is it?
It’s been scrapped. Hymer needed to do something with all the 17 foot vans they ordered, thus was the birth of the Axion.....
thanks for sharing that Ben.
Great and honest review but a horrible class B rv. For class B, I’ll stick with Leisure Travel Vans
just a reminder that leisure travel doesn't make class b coaches any longer just class c (class b+) coaches.
And it has only a 1 year warranty on an $80,000+ vehicle. Doesn't make since🖓🖓🖓 one if the many reasons I like the Hymer Aktiv 2.0 more🖒🖒🖒 Thank you for doing these, makes my research easier 😉😉😉
Hymer Aktive 2.0 Refrigerator is to small-only 3.1 cu.ft!!!
I like the design of both the 59K and 59G. Just poorly executed and an awful warranty. I’m assuming you saw TFL truck did a full review of the MBZ 4 x4 van? A 6 month wait list, wow. And with the new year model coming out this could be a major problem for van builders. You would think a company like VW would swoop in for some of that market share. Or some other company like Dodge or Ford would make an AWD version. I really hope this doesn’t cause Camper vans on the MBZ chassis to become even more expensive (ie the Revel).
hi ben. I haven't seen the tfl review of the mb 4x4 van. do you have a link you could share with everyone?
Ultramobility here’s a link for the 4x 4 review. ua-cam.com/video/z2_taXSkiiY/v-deo.html
Ultramobility have been meaning to share this link as well. A few weeks ago on one of your Q&A’s we talked about the VW ID Buzz. “Fully Charged” was lucky enough to be able to drive the prototype. Great video and an excellent history lesson. ua-cam.com/video/TQut6ks3nSY/v-deo.html
ben check out the 16:30 mark where they talk about how they couldn't take this 4x4 on a certain stretch because of its height. keep in mind that this is not the tall version of the sprinter which is what is needed for camper vans. once you put the extra height in and add in the roof top components id be worried about the center of gravity being too high. just me though. I like it but agree with Dean that it's not ready for camper van prime time.
that id buzz video is cool. thanks for sharing!
For 80K, has a lot going for it. Too long for me though.
yep it is 1.5 feet longer than the ascent which is manageable but still 1.5 feet longer.
Where can I find a Travota near Berkeley, Ca?
Try LaMesaRV in Sacramento or Manteca Trailer in Manteca. I've purchased from Manteca and go to LaMesa all the time.
Winnebago's new video on the Travato with the Pure 3 system
ua-cam.com/video/sPujT3pstMU/v-deo.html
thanks for sharing that link Wayne!
Hmmmmm good price but I'm not sold on that tiny rear bed.
hi Jen. If you're the only one sleeping in the van then the bed is great. I just wouldn't advertise it as a 4 person sleeper as winnebago does.
It seems to be busy, I like the K version better.
it's a strange layout with that largish bathroom and tiny bed that can only practically sleep one.
Ultramobility the couple from The Fitrv have this model. They fit in the bed, but I think it would be tight for anyone larger.
how many times does a video need edited...
3
You would not hit your head if you watch where you are going and plan accordingly!
ya nice i like the kind of this report, not like usual always same
Is there anything you DID like about it? Never heard so much negativity!! Don't believe I care to hear any more of your reviews on other vans.
i liked its price - at least at the time of the recording. since then winnebago has upped the price so i don't like that as much. i like the size of the bathroom. i like the garage. i like the accessories like the ladder and bike rack. i like the new lithium upgrade.
Definitely not worth 83,000.00
Maybe 48,000 but definitely not 83k.
oh dear bill - I don't think $48k would cover the cost of buildout plus the van!
Such a biased reviewed compared to your Aktiv review. Almost went out of your way for "I'm not a big fan of" items while disregarding like features shared with the Aktiv. I.E. Spent time praising all the wonderful Dodge Proram features of the Aktiv when it's the exacting same platform of the Travato. Your obvious biased preference for the Hymer brand IMHO taints your review.
thanks for your comment. I point out things that need to be pointed out. the travato comes with a 1 year warranty. that's a major problem and things like construction, stick framing and staples need to be highlighted. I've said in other videos I won't recommend any RV that comes with a 1 year warranty. the Aktiv comes with a 6 year warranty. for the things that I said I'm not a big fan of like the marine style sink and the tambour door I did also mention in th aktiv review. some things like the sliding screen door and low hanging cabinets in the lounge are not present on the aktiv I reviewed. as far as the ram Promaster features - I mentioned those in passing on the aktiv - I wouldn't characterize it as praising the promaster. I don't feel the need to do that on every review because most people know about the chassis. I don't recommend the 59g for its price. you'd be much better going for the aktiv with its superior warranty and better options like volstart and eco-trek. I could have been harsher on the 59g like pointing out that I think its energy system is inadequate for the 6.7cf refrigerator. if you don't like this review just wait until I do a head to head with the 59g and the aktiv. then you'll really not like me...
except people that actually have ownership knowledge will tell you that the Zamp solar has no problem keeping ahead of the fridge, that the Volta system option is light years ahead of Hymer/Roadtrek and that the Voltstart doesn't work in many installations, and that their battery setup is a kludge at best, with a 12v lead acid battery installed to make it work and that the BMS has a 60 watt parasitic load, so they have to have separate units at 200 AH each, which severely restricts your capability. All these details you don't know, because you insist on doing reviews like a realtor, not an RV enthusiast or technician.
Ultramobility Don't take it personally, I didn't say I didn't like you. Just drinking a bit too much of that Hymer kool-aid to offer up a fair unbiased comparison review.
Ultramobility: LMAO. Great response 😂😂😂🖒🖒🖒
Honest review. Great reviewer, sucky RV.
thank you
The bed looks like it can sleep 2 six year olds. Seriously looks small.
🎬 1 📽 🎞 🗣 🎙 🧐 🚐🌎🌍🌏 🚐 Outstanding, thank you so much for sharing. 🤔 🧐 ❤❤❤❤❤ 🚐 RV Journey ROAD TRIP! 🚐 🗺 traveling in the ... 2018 Winnebago Travato 59G Wow I am surprised that this is 2018 with not much innovative benefits. Well, the price is excellent...keep it three years then upgrade! It is well Ultramobility...Class B RV buyers pay attention...
thanks Carol!
you have to email me because I cannot get through
Ohhh,man there is 55 different colors,that's cheap design for that money, this is not acceptable, not even a 10 thousand dollars trailer
I'm really happy that you notice these design details Zoltan. it's true the points that you make. good design is intentional.
Is a copy European designs with less cleverness and quality .
6 years later asking same price. lol. used
Crappy layout, the K model is a lot better!
for that money emmmmmmmmmm no pass lesure vans way nicer
This guy has never camped in a RV,,Before flat screens,,we know how to secure our tv,,and ive never had a Fridge open on trips,,never
Bad design.