Some years ago I had an MSR Whisperlite Internazionale, and the "shaker jet" cleaning mechanism was a major plus. Also, my reaction to the Fire Maple boil time is that an alcohol stove could beat it, AND be quiet. 😁
Primus, a Swedish company has a similar multifuel stove. Using it is complex, nozzles, bottle position etc… They have some great instruction videos on their website and UA-cam. The stove is called a Primus Omnifuel.
It's not really complex. Different nozzles are needed depending on the type of fuel used. Bottle just lies flat on the ground. I wouldn't trust liquid stoves coming out of china. These types of stoves need to come from trusted manufacturers assembled in Europe, US, Japan or South Korea.😊
@@northernswedenstories1028 :) My Primus works great. Bought it along with a repair kit for SHTF. Sounds like a frikin jet engine though….. :) Not very stealthy.
@@brashachilles9725 yeah I mean, where I live it is regularly minus 20 to 30 so liquid fuel is by far the best choice. But some liquid stoves are better than others for cooking (better simmer) whereas others are just purely for melting snow and often are very loud
I loved that they solved the age old problem of how to connect the fuel line to the pump by fusing it in place. They copied the msr pump… which is the failure point of msr stoves and then made it a non replaceable item. Meh… I’d guess that there are further clogs on the burner and or jet/hose.
My MSR lights the same way. You know that. Dump some liquid fuel in the burner light that just before it goes out turn the gas on. The old ones like mine firelight is hard to simmer on. Does have a plastic pump. Good fuel btls. I'm not as bad as you but do have a bunch of stoves. Last is a Jet Boil. Fastest thing I have ever seen for water. If water is what uou want and don't mind the gas btls great way to go. Loved my old one burner Colman peak. Was the best for my all around camping with a motorcycle. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks.
Good review. Now if they would just make a wisperlite with a close to the stove needle valve and a primus pump and pump connection it would be perfection.
👍👍👍 .. a valuable review. $40.00 should be an indication of what is to follow. My Trangia, White Box and a heap of Home-Grown Alcohol Stoves don't need a 'field kit'. Nor does my 'Camping Gaz Bluet 206' Gas Stove (circa 1970's) either. That said .. my Optimus 8R Hunter White Gas Stove. 'Spares' are minimal and so infrequently needed, that they stay at home (in 40+ years, a gasket on the fuel reservoir filler cap and graphite seal on the burner control valve stuffing box). As a 'Boomer' (YOB 1950), I'm past Polar Expeditions 😏. With stuff that can possible go 'whoosh / boom, product quality should be a consideration. A good share .. thanks. Take care ..
Ive had the Primus omni fuel, and I've borrowered something like this, which is essentially a chinese clone of it. Weird, a lot of steps, and odd. If you want a backpacking liquid fuel stove, get the whisperlite. If you want an emergency stove that is multifuel capable get the BRS12A.
NO THANK YOU! That's less of a camping stove and more of an IED. I wouldn't even want that thing anywhere near me outside let alone in a tent porch. I'll stick to my 20 year old and reliable as the day I bought it, MSR Dragonfly.
I have a BRS-8 which is similar in price, probably heavier, works ok and is fast but I mostly use either a BRS 3000 canister stove (which is extremely light but of course the canister has some weight) or my Svea 123 (heavier but fairly compact) as I find fiddling with the pump and the hose and having to assemble and disassemble the stove a bit too much of a hassle. Also, there tend to be spills when attaching or taking off the pump as seen in this video. Also, the many moving parts don't give a feeling of great reliability even though it has worked so far. Too many seals, gaskets etc. to fail at the worst time when it's cold and you really need a hot meal or drink. The Svea is so much simpler and more reliable and after you get used to it it's very easy and fast to light and almost as powerful. I wonder why they went to the pump stoves in the first place when similar performance can be achieved with a much less complicated design? Yes, there can be some weight advantage from not needing a separate fuel container but not that much as I can use a lighter plastic Trangia fuel bottle with the Svea as it doesn't need to be pressurized.
A lot of these cheap chinese stove usually come with several sized port nozzle heads for different gases odds are the wrong one was installed from the factory for it to burn gas all that well.
For example my cheap BRS-8 styled knockoff had 3 such (one installed and one for diesel and another claims its for alcohol). Since i've had it i've since switch the pump to the brs-8 pump just because there are better fitting parts for it. Couldn't find cup replacement sized right for it and didn't feel like making leather ones since i could just get the new pump for cheaper as well as cheaper cups over all. Not that there was anything wrong with the pump that came with it just wanted better maintainablity from it.
Did this stove not come with a heat reflector and a windshield? The legs and the fuel cup remind me of the MSR Dragonfly, which typically comes with a heat reflector at least.
From the video shown, this is not a quality stove by all means. I have a Whisperlite and Optimus Polaris, both of them work great in liquid fuel mode(no one preheats like this firemaple did). I'm confused why Firemaple even come up with this product. I have a few gas stoves from Fire Maple, and they did not disappoint me. Also, the quality of that gas stove I owned was better than the one in the video.
In theory, gasoline is better in cold weather than gas or alcohol. And can be lighter for long trips where you can't refuel along the way. And it can be faster. The 12000 btu seems like false advertising, plain and simple, and that style cup burner isn't known for such high output, regardless of who makes it. The long startup time is a downside of the valve being at the bottle rather than stove. Possibly if you have a large plot, and are boiling a gallon of water at a pop, it might be more efficient. The Svea 123 is simpler and almost as light, but it has limited fuel capacity, and if you run it dry you damage the internal wick which can be a pain to replace.
Firemaple stuff seems to be overpriced in general. Like almost snow peak prices for Chinese quality products. I know the level of quality can be very good from China but fire maple ain't it IMO.
It's just me being my cowardly self but...gasoline and stove don't belong in same sentence. We will see at the end of the video. It met my expectation that it would make fire....that's about it....on 1 to 10...half star. Sorry😢 I'm giving thumbs up out of great respect for you.....but truly want to give a BIG THUMBS DOWN.. thanks for showing it to us sir
The MSR Whisperlite, the Optimus, Svea, Soviet Red Army...all stoves that were designed to run on gasoline and do it very well. I have all of the above and love them all. 1 gallon of denatured alcohol is upwards of $25. 1 gallon of gasoline is $2.89 and lasts forever 😂
@@debbiej.2168 yeah, I'm in northwest Arkansas, less than 100 miles from a refinery or two, so we get the cheap prices since they don't have to transport far
I'm happy with my 22 year old MSR dragonfly, MSR Simmerlite and Pocket rocket 🚀 Delux for durability, reliability and fantastic warranties. It's hard to go cheap when you get what you pay for with great 🔥 🏕️❄️🇨🇦 🍻
I have an MSR Whisperlite I’ve used for years and never even had to do more than use the “shaker” cleaning feature. I think this is one of those “get what you pay for” moments. I do like some of the Firemaple cookware and simpler stoves, but they need to go back to the drawing board on this one.
Unless you hear from fire maple with a reason for this or a new stove I would throw that straight in the rubbish. Unless I missed it what fuel was used? Thanks for testing it as it’s saved people wasting their money. I love my SOTO Stormbreaker but thats in a different league in quality and price.
I understand alcohol stoves, woodstoves, canister stoves, but these overcomplicated and dangerous and expensive pieces of crap i never understand. Why would you use such shit? Loud. Ineffective. Expensive. Dangerous. Need i go on?
Hi love your reviews but, this stove is far to fiddly to bother with ,I also think it's an accident waiting to happen........put it quickly in the trash
I think the preheat tube is too far off center th be efficient,they jetted the stove incorrectly,and the pump valve is the cheapest they could find,. If I'm gonna Carry a liquid fuel stove I'll stick with my MAR WHISPERLITE thar I bough in 1990 aa it has never failed me and I have learned to control the flame with fuel bottle pressure another great video Ernie👍👍
Against your advice, I went and bought a svea clone because using gasoline seemed like it'd cut fuel costs massively... Even with regular cleaning and maintenance it's performance and my opinion got worse with every burn. Complete waste of money and time. Im back to using my trusty trangia burner, with meths from napa. It's so stress free that i can actually enjoy the process again.
Thanks for the review. Hard pass. Spend the extra and get MSR whisperlite. I couldn’t imagine fussing around with the brand new stove and getting unreliable performance and slow results. Like you said, you get what you pay for. Thanks again!
were there different sized fuels jets for it? I would have to say they seem to have gone pretty cheap on the pump, I have the Lava stove that I will be releasing a video on and it does seem to have a higher end pump, seals and tools. good video dude I enjoyed this, theses are things that need to be seen to let a company know what they are just not getting right, also it'll help people save their money and not buy a dud
I'm only at the beginning of the video, but this looks far too 🎻 fiddley for me! With cold fingers on a winter camp out? I'd never get it started!. My pocket rocket or even a simple Trangia will stay as part of my kit!
Love you and your reviews and review styles. Like others I am wondering if this could have been a Jet/Fuel choice incompatabily thing. I has an MSR XGK for 30 years it had a plastic pump that never failed. I also had 4 jets. The Jet for unleaded gas did not work with Naptha (white gas). It had a jet for Diesel, Gas, Naptha and Paraffin. Also the fuel amount in the bottle was important for good pressure. Love your reviews. I have Purchased the LIXADA (SVEA) knock off, the "CampingMoon" XD-1 remote canister stove, and the LIXADA (Toaks Siphon) alcohol stove. All this and more based on your reviews. Thank you. The Lixada Toaks Knock off is my favorite. After your last review of the GSR Kettlist I started playing with my Kettle again. Can you do a new Video on the Kelly Kettle and maybe compare to the Ghille Kettle? Thanks Keep up the good work as time allows.
Well, it's light. And liquid fuel stoves are tricky to start, as you say, but it really is weird that it burns so poorly. Looked at your Primos Omnilite Ti video, and for any sort of situation where you actually *need* a gasoline stove (cold, melting snow for water, expedition), the extra $100 cost as compared to the fire maple is peanuts. Weight is similar.
Some years ago I had an MSR Whisperlite Internazionale, and the "shaker jet" cleaning mechanism was a major plus. Also, my reaction to the Fire Maple boil time is that an alcohol stove could beat it, AND be quiet. 😁
Got one still use it.
I still use my MSR WhisperLite Universal stove for longer trips, alcohol stoves for shorter trips.
I still take my MSR whisper light international when I’m traveling abroad. the shaker jet was a positive change
Ernie, I hope you have a fire blanket around when you are testing these stoves.
Think I'll stick to a SVEA 123 when using camp fuel.
Agree... my ancient 123 is a reliable tank of a stove. 😃
👍👍👍 .. Svea 123, Absolutely!
It's cousin too. The Optimus 8R Hunter.
Are you using the correct nozzle for the fuel you are using?
Primus, a Swedish company has a similar multifuel stove. Using it is complex, nozzles, bottle position etc… They have some great instruction videos on their website and UA-cam. The stove is called a Primus Omnifuel.
It's not really complex. Different nozzles are needed depending on the type of fuel used. Bottle just lies flat on the ground. I wouldn't trust liquid stoves coming out of china. These types of stoves need to come from trusted manufacturers assembled in Europe, US, Japan or South Korea.😊
@@northernswedenstories1028 :) My Primus works great. Bought it along with a repair kit for SHTF. Sounds like a frikin jet engine though….. :) Not very stealthy.
@@brashachilles9725 yeah I mean, where I live it is regularly minus 20 to 30 so liquid fuel is by far the best choice. But some liquid stoves are better than others for cooking (better simmer) whereas others are just purely for melting snow and often are very loud
There is a review of the Primus Omnilite Ti (a bit smaller and lighter version of the Omnifuel) on the channel already. :)
@@mateuszm6394 from my understanding the TI version has reliability issues and is harder to repair in the field compared to the regular omni
This is why canister stoves are the most popular.
Thanks Doctor Ernie for the review of this stove.
I think you may have used the wrong nozzle.😅
Or the jet is loose.
I get the same boil with firerope and an ounce of fuel in a trangia gel burner. Great video thank you!
I will enjoy when you get back in the field!
I loved that they solved the age old problem of how to connect the fuel line to the pump by fusing it in place. They copied the msr pump… which is the failure point of msr stoves and then made it a non replaceable item.
Meh… I’d guess that there are further clogs on the burner and or jet/hose.
I’ve learned to stay away from fire maple. I bought their jet boil copy and it takes forever to boil. Copy without the quality.
To be fair, MSR fuel pumps are plastic too, including the plungers. Different plastic probably though.
My MSR lights the same way. You know that. Dump some liquid fuel in the burner light that just before it goes out turn the gas on. The old ones like mine firelight is hard to simmer on. Does have a plastic pump. Good fuel btls. I'm not as bad as you but do have a bunch of stoves. Last is a Jet Boil. Fastest thing I have ever seen for water. If water is what uou want and don't mind the gas btls great way to go. Loved my old one burner Colman peak. Was the best for my all around camping with a motorcycle. Thanks for saving me 50 bucks.
Good review. Now if they would just make a wisperlite with a close to the stove needle valve and a primus pump and pump connection it would be perfection.
👍👍👍 .. a valuable review.
$40.00 should be an indication of what is to follow.
My Trangia, White Box and a heap of Home-Grown Alcohol Stoves don't need a 'field kit'. Nor does my 'Camping Gaz Bluet 206' Gas Stove (circa 1970's) either.
That said .. my Optimus 8R Hunter White Gas Stove. 'Spares' are minimal and so infrequently needed, that they stay at home (in 40+ years, a gasket on the fuel reservoir filler cap and graphite seal on the burner control valve stuffing box). As a 'Boomer' (YOB 1950), I'm past Polar Expeditions 😏.
With stuff that can possible go 'whoosh / boom, product quality should be a consideration.
A good share .. thanks. Take care ..
The stove may never have been lit, but you know what is? Your channel! And plot twists!
Ive had the Primus omni fuel, and I've borrowered something like this, which is essentially a chinese clone of it. Weird, a lot of steps, and odd. If you want a backpacking liquid fuel stove, get the whisperlite. If you want an emergency stove that is multifuel capable get the BRS12A.
I agree may need to use different nozzle.
That said...I know you know stoves.
NO THANK YOU!
That's less of a camping stove and more of an IED.
I wouldn't even want that thing anywhere near me outside let alone in a tent porch.
I'll stick to my 20 year old and reliable as the day I bought it, MSR Dragonfly.
Very similar to the Edelrid Hexon
Modeled after a SVEA style stove.
12,000 BTU through a tiny burner like that is a lot of fuel to burn... a typical tube burner on a normal BBQ is 10,000 BTU...
Seems like a lot of work to get a fire.
I never did like those types of stove because their are way easier and safer stoves to use.
I have a BRS-8 which is similar in price, probably heavier, works ok and is fast but I mostly use either a BRS 3000 canister stove (which is extremely light but of course the canister has some weight) or my Svea 123 (heavier but fairly compact) as I find fiddling with the pump and the hose and having to assemble and disassemble the stove a bit too much of a hassle. Also, there tend to be spills when attaching or taking off the pump as seen in this video. Also, the many moving parts don't give a feeling of great reliability even though it has worked so far. Too many seals, gaskets etc. to fail at the worst time when it's cold and you really need a hot meal or drink.
The Svea is so much simpler and more reliable and after you get used to it it's very easy and fast to light and almost as powerful. I wonder why they went to the pump stoves in the first place when similar performance can be achieved with a much less complicated design? Yes, there can be some weight advantage from not needing a separate fuel container but not that much as I can use a lighter plastic Trangia fuel bottle with the Svea as it doesn't need to be pressurized.
Might have had the wrong jet installed. This fire maple has nothin on the whisperlite. Especially with the Optimus pump.
Pay for what you get - noise and not fast. prefer my MSR Dragonfly or my cheap and cheerful Chinese canister stove or Trangia
I like my msr dragonfly
Not sure if I would let a younger person try lighting it.
Ernie, Dunno about this stove.
A lot of these cheap chinese stove usually come with several sized port nozzle heads for different gases odds are the wrong one was installed from the factory for it to burn gas all that well.
For example my cheap BRS-8 styled knockoff had 3 such (one installed and one for diesel and another claims its for alcohol). Since i've had it i've since switch the pump to the brs-8 pump just because there are better fitting parts for it. Couldn't find cup replacement sized right for it and didn't feel like making leather ones since i could just get the new pump for cheaper as well as cheaper cups over all. Not that there was anything wrong with the pump that came with it just wanted better maintainablity from it.
Did this stove not come with a heat reflector and a windshield? The legs and the fuel cup remind me of the MSR Dragonfly, which typically comes with a heat reflector at least.
From the video shown, this is not a quality stove by all means. I have a Whisperlite and Optimus Polaris, both of them work great in liquid fuel mode(no one preheats like this firemaple did). I'm confused why Firemaple even come up with this product. I have a few gas stoves from Fire Maple, and they did not disappoint me. Also, the quality of that gas stove I owned was better than the one in the video.
I don't understand why ? What is the advantage of this stove?
In theory, gasoline is better in cold weather than gas or alcohol. And can be lighter for long trips where you can't refuel along the way. And it can be faster.
The 12000 btu seems like false advertising, plain and simple, and that style cup burner isn't known for such high output, regardless of who makes it.
The long startup time is a downside of the valve being at the bottle rather than stove.
Possibly if you have a large plot, and are boiling a gallon of water at a pop, it might be more efficient. The Svea 123 is simpler and almost as light, but it has limited fuel capacity, and if you run it dry you damage the internal wick which can be a pain to replace.
I certainly can't argue your points. But that plastic pump looks like it's ready to snap at any time, especially in the cold.
😂 I’ll stick to my Primus OmniLite😊
Very poor stove and when dealing with liquid fuel you want quality.
I'll stick with my Optimus 8R & Svea 123
this thing doesn't look like it works well
Junk. Could you imagine using it today. -5 degree windchill. 😅
Gasoline?
Maybe for someone else but totally not for me.
looks like a disaster, comparing to my primus , not even close
Firemaple stuff seems to be overpriced in general. Like almost snow peak prices for Chinese quality products.
I know the level of quality can be very good from China but fire maple ain't it IMO.
With my 30+ yrs old single burner Coleman stove is superior
This stove is not worth the price or the time it takes to light, then there is no power to heat water or anything else.
Junk
Alcohol stoves are faster
Two words - Soto Muka. That is all.
Yea, no thanks!
Junk.
It's just me being my cowardly self but...gasoline and stove don't belong in same sentence. We will see at the end of the video. It met my expectation that it would make fire....that's about it....on 1 to 10...half star. Sorry😢 I'm giving thumbs up out of great respect for you.....but truly want to give a BIG THUMBS DOWN.. thanks for showing it to us sir
The MSR Whisperlite, the Optimus, Svea, Soviet Red Army...all stoves that were designed to run on gasoline and do it very well. I have all of the above and love them all. 1 gallon of denatured alcohol is upwards of $25. 1 gallon of gasoline is $2.89 and lasts forever 😂
@@chado_outdoorsWow! Lucky you. It was $4.49 out here in California last time I got gas. And that was down a lot from $5.99 a gallon the time before.
@@debbiej.2168 yeah, I'm in northwest Arkansas, less than 100 miles from a refinery or two, so we get the cheap prices since they don't have to transport far
I'm happy with my 22 year old MSR dragonfly, MSR Simmerlite and Pocket rocket 🚀 Delux for durability, reliability and fantastic warranties. It's hard to go cheap when you get what you pay for with great 🔥 🏕️❄️🇨🇦 🍻
I had a Whisperlite burn lots of liquid (after preheat). Turned out to be a loose jet. Dismantled, cleaned and tightened - works like a charm.
Thanks Ernie for taking time to review this stove,
I'm not impressed with this product.
My cat can stove boils 2 cups of water quicker.
Cheers
seems like junk
I'm thinking no, gonna stick with my Coleman single burner stove. Yes it's heavy but but for winter camping it'll do the job.
Huge pass on this crap. Too much work to make a coffee
Two thumbs down.
I have an MSR Whisperlite I’ve used for years and never even had to do more than use the “shaker” cleaning feature. I think this is one of those “get what you pay for” moments. I do like some of the Firemaple cookware and simpler stoves, but they need to go back to the drawing board on this one.
Unless you hear from fire maple with a reason for this or a new stove I would throw that straight in the rubbish.
Unless I missed it what fuel was used?
Thanks for testing it as it’s saved people wasting their money.
I love my SOTO Stormbreaker but thats in a different league in quality and price.
I'll stick with the Trangia.
I understand alcohol stoves, woodstoves, canister stoves, but these overcomplicated and dangerous and expensive pieces of crap i never understand. Why would you use such shit? Loud. Ineffective. Expensive. Dangerous. Need i go on?
Hi love your reviews but, this stove is far to fiddly to bother with ,I also think it's an accident waiting to happen........put it quickly in the trash
I think the preheat tube is too far off center th be efficient,they jetted the stove incorrectly,and the pump valve is the cheapest they could find,. If I'm gonna Carry a liquid fuel stove I'll stick with my MAR WHISPERLITE thar I bough in 1990 aa it has never failed me and I have learned to control the flame with fuel bottle pressure another great video Ernie👍👍
Good video. Thanks for the information. Did you get the box with the MREs that I sent to your office?
I think I’ll save my $50 and stick with my old Coleman
Against your advice, I went and bought a svea clone because using gasoline seemed like it'd cut fuel costs massively... Even with regular cleaning and maintenance it's performance and my opinion got worse with every burn. Complete waste of money and time.
Im back to using my trusty trangia burner, with meths from napa. It's so stress free that i can actually enjoy the process again.
It looks like it's someone's attempt to replicate the MSR Whisperlite, with some of the features missing.
Thanks for the review. Hard pass. Spend the extra and get MSR whisperlite. I couldn’t imagine fussing around with the brand new stove and getting unreliable performance and slow results. Like you said, you get what you pay for. Thanks again!
were there different sized fuels jets for it? I would have to say they seem to have gone pretty cheap on the pump, I have the Lava stove that I will be releasing a video on and it does seem to have a higher end pump, seals and tools. good video dude I enjoyed this, theses are things that need to be seen to let a company know what they are just not getting right, also it'll help people save their money and not buy a dud
I'm only at the beginning of the video, but this looks far too 🎻 fiddley for me!
With cold fingers on a winter camp out? I'd never get it started!.
My pocket rocket or even a simple Trangia will stay as part of my kit!
What if an emergency?? You fell..your hurt...your wet..freezing...you need reliable heat NOW!!
104 degrees in January? That's crazy! (And also, scary. )
Love you and your reviews and review styles. Like others I am wondering if this could have been a Jet/Fuel choice incompatabily thing. I has an MSR XGK for 30 years it had a plastic pump that never failed. I also had 4 jets. The Jet for unleaded gas did not work with Naptha (white gas). It had a jet for Diesel, Gas, Naptha and Paraffin. Also the fuel amount in the bottle was important for good pressure. Love your reviews. I have Purchased the LIXADA (SVEA) knock off, the "CampingMoon" XD-1 remote canister stove, and the LIXADA (Toaks Siphon) alcohol stove. All this and more based on your reviews. Thank you. The Lixada Toaks Knock off is my favorite. After your last review of the GSR Kettlist I started playing with my Kettle again. Can you do a new Video on the Kelly Kettle and maybe compare to the Ghille Kettle? Thanks Keep up the good work as time allows.
Well, it's light. And liquid fuel stoves are tricky to start, as you say, but it really is weird that it burns so poorly.
Looked at your Primos Omnilite Ti video, and for any sort of situation where you actually *need* a gasoline stove (cold, melting snow for water, expedition), the extra $100 cost as compared to the fire maple is peanuts. Weight is similar.