Hi Darren, Would you please do a tutorial on the following in reference to timing…. Take for example “stairway to heaven” by Led Zep. It starts slow and has numerous increases in tempo as the track progresses. I can do tempo detection and set definition from tempo. But what I can’t seem to do is detect tempo, split it into sections e.g. each verse, chorus, solo, outro etc and set a tempo for each section that is smooth then apply that so the recording of the guide track follows the tempo AND more importantly all my midi tracks and any tracks I have recorded audio on to emulate the guide track. Hope that makes sense. It must surely be possible but I just can’t seem to get it to work. Any help appreciated. Mal.
Hi Mal. Thanks for the suggestion - just to check, you want to map the entire tempo of a song where it changes, so that Cubase is aligned throughout, and whenever you are, the bars and beats of both line up, so you can then use Cubase's MIDI/editing tools which match with the original recorded audio?
@@musictechtuition yes thats it. The tempo is all over the place. Tempo detection in itself produces strange results that are clearly not smooth. As I understand it if I smooth during detection it assumes a fixed tempo. I have looked at using the time warp tool from one of your earlier videos. This works by dragging every fourth bar to the beat and writing tempo points at each fourth bar. TEDIOUS! Is there a better, quicker way to tempo a guide track that changes tempo over time and get the guide track and the subsequent midi and your own feeble attempts to emulate Led Zepplin to follow the tempo without dragging every bar onto the beat by hand?
@@malcolmhodgson7540 Unfortunately.... there's not a better automatic way to do it. Cubase is definitely behind in this area, and whenever I have to do this, I tempo-map any piece of audio first, manually, using the technique you described that I covered in that video. With a bit of practice it's generally not too bad, and I can usually do it about 2-3 times the length of the song (i.e. if the song is 5 minutes, it'll take me 10-15 minutes to get it done). And yes, it's work that's not 'making music' but the benefits of doing it pay back hugely in the time (and head scratching) saved during the rest of the process.... Sorry to be the bearer of boring news!
@@musictechtuition thanks Darren. I shall plod on then bar by bar. You would have thought that after doing tempo detection they would let you range select in the tempo track and then average/smooth within the range selected to reduce the number of tempo points to edit. Still ho hum it is what it is. Thanks for taking the time to personally reply, very much appreciated. Always enjoy your tuition and the book has proved very handy. Cheers Mal.
Cheers Darren! 👏
Tx Darren, but i can't help but feel that this should be a default setting for the metronome?!
Yeah... I think I might do a video on what I consider to be sane defaults for Cubase... which are not the current ones in many cases!
@@musictechtuitionthat sounds good to me 👍
Hi Darren,
Would you please do a tutorial on the following in reference to timing….
Take for example “stairway to heaven” by Led Zep.
It starts slow and has numerous increases in tempo as the track progresses.
I can do tempo detection and set definition from tempo. But what I can’t seem to do is detect tempo, split it into sections e.g. each verse, chorus, solo, outro etc and set a tempo for each section that is smooth then apply that so the recording of the guide track follows the tempo AND more importantly all my midi tracks and any tracks I have recorded audio on to emulate the guide track. Hope that makes sense. It must surely be possible but I just can’t seem to get it to work. Any help appreciated.
Mal.
Hi Mal. Thanks for the suggestion - just to check, you want to map the entire tempo of a song where it changes, so that Cubase is aligned throughout, and whenever you are, the bars and beats of both line up, so you can then use Cubase's MIDI/editing tools which match with the original recorded audio?
@@musictechtuition yes thats it. The tempo is all over the place. Tempo detection in itself produces strange results that are clearly not smooth. As I understand it if I smooth during detection it assumes a fixed tempo. I have looked at using the time warp tool from one of your earlier videos. This works by dragging every fourth bar to the beat and writing tempo points at each fourth bar. TEDIOUS! Is there a better, quicker way to tempo a guide track that changes tempo over time and get the guide track and the subsequent midi and your own feeble attempts to emulate Led Zepplin to follow the tempo without dragging every bar onto the beat by hand?
@@malcolmhodgson7540 Unfortunately.... there's not a better automatic way to do it. Cubase is definitely behind in this area, and whenever I have to do this, I tempo-map any piece of audio first, manually, using the technique you described that I covered in that video. With a bit of practice it's generally not too bad, and I can usually do it about 2-3 times the length of the song (i.e. if the song is 5 minutes, it'll take me 10-15 minutes to get it done). And yes, it's work that's not 'making music' but the benefits of doing it pay back hugely in the time (and head scratching) saved during the rest of the process.... Sorry to be the bearer of boring news!
@@musictechtuition thanks Darren. I shall plod on then bar by bar. You would have thought that after doing tempo detection they would let you range select in the tempo track and then average/smooth within the range selected to reduce the number of tempo points to edit. Still ho hum it is what it is. Thanks for taking the time to personally reply, very much appreciated. Always enjoy your tuition and the book has proved very handy.
Cheers
Mal.