Cliff Prince WINNING the Bass Master Event without LIVESCOPE
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- He did it!!!!!! Now what does thus mean for his future cause he was almost about to call it quits. What happened to all the Livescopers? Is this what we will come to expect. Are we allowed to talk about it?
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This was the most exciting event to watch all season!!! Loved every minute of live this time.
It was Bernie Schultz that made that comment. I was watching LIVE too. Good win for Prince!
Funny you mentioned the friend thing. My friend who has since past told me a long time ago. The older you get the smaller your circle gets. He was exactly right.
I’m 50 years old and can count on one hand who I could truly depend on. Heck, I may have a finger or two left. 😂
Preach Bass Pastor!! I here for the sermon…. Can I get an Amen.
So a story. Some years ago standing in the parking lot after a tourney in Palatka I asked a question. So who is this Prince guy? At the time I thought I knew who all the sticks were but musta didn't. The answers I got were fascinating. Oh he is one of the best people you will ever meet in your life. Honest quiet respectful humble and would give the shirt off his back if you needed it whether he knew you or not. That surprised me as most of the sticks in those days had all sorts of attitudes except Manuel Spencer who I thought the world of. Cliff has more than surpassed the praise of his fellow friends and opponents of that day. I have never been around him where he wasn't the best he could be and people just couldn't help saying what a nice guy. Can't say that about many if any. I am just a passing acquaintance with Cliff but I am sharing his victory as if I had a part in it. Perhaps because he is the proof that good people do exist and do prosper.
Yup, Cliff grew up fishin with Manuel on the River.
Fun coverage to watch. Almost like the old days.
It was the first tournament I actually watched since toledo bend. It was so good to see the anglers fishing and not looking at their video game screen the entire time.
“Absurd”. THANK YOU. Finally someone said it out loud. Take it literal I think they truly believe these guys can’t fish without it. I don’t love LiveScope but I do understand our current Elite AOY leader is a stud for 19 and can catch em with or without the scope.
No he can’t. I haven’t seen him catch one yet without it.
The commentary by the studio guys was very informative that with the warmer weather, the fish were transitioning from the shallow flats toward deeper water by the river channel. If the tournament had been a day or two later, it could have been a total flip of anglers in the top ten.
I will say a few things. 1) SUPER happy to see Cliff win that event, saw him in person at Palatka for a Bfl Super at the weigh in, seemed like a super cool dude and happy a FL guy pulled off the win.
2) luck did play a small part in finding those fish, as he saw fish schooling middle of the day on that spot, BUT, it takes a certain type of angle to notice that AND take the time to sample it. A lot of guys today would’ve just scoped the area or scanned it.
3) his Chatterbait Rod was WAY too stiff. Yeah he won the event but that spot being so damn stacked gave him lots of room for error. Looked like he was throwing an X-Fast tip Mag Mh on a Chatterbait and a lot of fish pulled off or jumped off on him that I really think a softer Mod-fast rod would’ve landed. But that’s all Monday morning QB stuff.
Great for Cliff and I hope he gets a few softer rods! 🤣
Lots of people are saying “if you took their FFS away (insert name here) couldn’t catch fish”. Which is stupid if you take the saying at face value. Anyone can catch fish. A better translation is “If you took their FFS away they couldn’t be competitive”. And there are guys that I feel that way about. And there are guys that I know can catch them either way.
The rookies that won tournaments earlier in the year started that without FFS they wouldn't have caught the winning fish, they matched their FFS till they saw the right fish then cast toward them
Yes this is more accurate
Spot on. Finally a common sense way of looking at things.
Cliff was like in 90 something place in AOY points. This win is like a (late) career changer. Confidence, mental attitude is 90% of the game.
Perfectly Said, your analogy of taking away 1 tool from there Box (FFS, Swim Jig, Frog, Ned Rig, drop shot etc.) is spot on and would definitely be a game changer for most. And your allowed to say that for sure...Because it's the truth...
Old school is hard nose fishing , it’s about finding a good spot and anticipating fish will move back in an out , steady , consistent, sticking to your guns if you will , way most of us grew up fishing , certain tourneys can for sure be won like this an others won other ways , fishing is fishing , an that John cox gotta love this fellow sticking to his frog bite wow that was very impressive for sure , great video once again. Just wondering when you are going back to elites.
You take those graphs off the front of everyone’s boat for 5 tournaments and we’ll find out who the real fishermen are. Of course we’d have to put in a special order for tissues and tampons after it was over. There’s so many people fishin right now that couldn’t win a damn dime without it, so the outcome would be an eye opener.
😂😂😂 100%
Hell, put everyone in a canoe for 5 events and we will see who the real anglers are.
A real fisherman should be able to adpt to new technology. We will see who the real ones are at the end of the year in aoy standings. Those who can catch them with or without will be in the hunt. Those who cant compete on either side will be going extinc.
Amen…
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Was happy for Cliff. Even though this is his 1st win and he is having a rough year or so I have known of him for years. always seemed like a great guy. Unlike Derek who I had to look and see who he was. As far as Live scope not really being a factor, well it is a tool that is used to catch fish. Now if Trey McKinney would of used those waypoints that his old fishing partner found on Wheeler, he could have won. (just kidding, just had to throw that in there after it was brought up on Twitter last week) Love the shop can't wait to see it finished.
Also I posted a link as an example on a comment to your video about the slat wall and it was deleted in about 2 minutes after posting. I guess you tube doesn't like external links.
Excellent video Todd!
I was routing for Cliff since he was 14 years without the big win. But, when Ray was smashing them day 4 I felt like he could pull it off and was like okay if he wins that would be great too. Livescope, just a tool but a very good one. Thanks Todd
Yes... You are allowed to say ... The Truth...😊
You hit this on the head!!
Congratulations to your fishing buddy Todd and Congratulations on the new house,shoot you have a ma. Cave now heck yeah.
Can you go into details about a good limit vs how to catch a bag? Maybe how to change how you fish or location vs bait.
I enjoined the Wheeler event very much. Mostly different top 10. Trey McKinney comes to mind by not being in the top 10.
Great video Todd
So the moral of the story is just like Darwin said the key to any species to survive is the ability to adapt. So those who cant adapt to new technology will go extinc and so will those who can't without. This seems like the entire point of competition. So i don't feel sorry for the haters who can't adapt on either side. Go extinc someone who can do it all will take your place you won't be missed. Sound cold? Well that's life baby!
And it is the same way in just about every aspect in life. Adapt or die.
It's going be interesting to hear from Cliff Prince and the other top finishers in the next couple days/weeks on live streams how they found the fish, the key things they were looking for in certain areas.
Cliff was idling the flats when he saw shad jumping out of the water. Stopped, got bit immediately and left it.
@@mattwfishing And he found it late in the day on the last day of practice. Luck or divine intervention? When it's your time,,,,,,,,,,,,
@@TheFishdoctor1952 first day. Day 3 he came back to check it and a local was sitting there wearing them out. He said “yeap it’s a good spot” 🤣
I hope the next live pick show the focus is on "impossible, zero chance it doesn't get won on livescope" Ish Munroe 😂
He landed on the juice hole. That tournament would have been completely different if there was grass. I commented several times that they killed the grass and rumor has it that they missed about a football field worth of grass and the fish congregate there. I should have shared my honey hole shell bed. It appears no one found it on live. One day when they showed the map it looked like Hunter Shyrock was really close but I’m not sure he found it. It would produce 12-15 lbs a day. I’m very familiar with that lake, do not get caught up on the grass. Find a shell bed off a point and focus there, they replenish every single day.
Hansleman found the money hole that’s always great, it’s a shell bed on the flats. It’s similar to my hole but shallower. It will reload every single day. That lake has big fish but they are so spread out it’s very hard to find them. BTW Todd, we rent out our giant camp in Airbnb. It’s 8 rooms and will sleep at least 20-25. It’s in Athens on Motter drive.
Hey can you send me a message on Facebook or Instagram about that house
Year round or summertime?
@@toddcastledinefishing5924 I’ll message you about it. I’ll have to make sure it isn’t booked, my SIL does the booking.
@@mattwfishingare you talking about the camp being rented? If so the calendar is on the Airbnb. It’s open mostly unless there’s a family event or there are some traveling nurses that will rent it from time to time. It will not be available on July 4th, Thanksgiving, etc.
Yes
You could definitely tell that Davey Hite and Ronnie Moore were excited that Prince and Hanselman were really the only anglers going into Sunday with a chance to win. On another note....The fact that the FFS haters are "crickets" right now should tell everybody a lot. Great stuff as always Todd!
We like crickets, FFS is nothing to hate, it’s just sissy fishin and that’s ok.
Great story!
I would love Bassmasters to have a tournament 1× a year without electronics you can only use them when your driving under power that's it that would be fun to watch
I’ve talked with them about it and right now they won’t do it, maybe next year
If this is true, it was desperately needed, and supports the entire point of what professional bass fishing is about. The tour existed for decades without FFS. Now, all of a sudden it’s technology that they absolutely REFUSE to go without (all while claiming they don’t need it)??? Until the tour competes without it,and PROVES it’s not needed, then it’s always going to be looked at as a major crutch for co-dependent so-called professionals. But, I digress…. Good for Prince, and good for the sport.
You always need to keep at least six friends for ( PALLBEARERS)! 😂
i probably still couldn't catch them with live scope.
My response to the anti FFS guys in regard to your comments about the different scale of people is this; you have to know where to drop the trolling motor. Guys claim that you just drop the troller in and hunt for the fish. You cant do that anywhere in the lake. you got to know where to start. Where do you go to get those best 5 fish? Thats where experience comes in, livescope just enhances their abilities.
Todd are you in a new shop now? Just curious as I'm looking to "build" one so if you have any best practices maybe throw up a video. Thanks!!!!
Yes I am, I’m working on videos about mine now
That’s right Todd, real….. fishin.
He found those fish because he had his head up watching and taking in what was going on around him in practice , not having his head buried in a screen all day.
Just fyi, that lake fishes very different in the fall. You may have more luck with the giant smallmouth.
Prince winning by REAL fishing! 👍🏻 I still think that a dominating scoper will place higher on average more times then not then a well rounded experienced angler that doesn’t scope. Scoping undoubtedly is a shortcut to success!
Does this mean we get to see ish wash pangracs rig with the thong song 🎶 😂
I'm sure anglers are using non livescope lures while still scoping.
On speaking the truth, I don't think FFS Pros are allowed to speak it either, I don't listen a bunch but I never hear the FFS Pro say, "I see the fish live and can see my bait as I dangle it in front of them until it bites". Hearing that truth, does it not take the sport out of fishing?
Well if it's truth you seek then the reality is just because you put a bait in front of them it doesn't make them eat. Just watched two different pros on schools of thirty to fourty fish and they could only get two or three to eat and left the school after 30 minutes. Wheeler was one of them.
@@leojeidy8010 yes that is true, we have all heard that a million times. “just because you see it, doesn’t mean you can catch it”, That’s the number one defense statement a FFS Pro makes, the truth they leave out is, the percentage of catching a fish you see compared to one you don’t see is about 1000% better.
@@tonygreen4356 And you know this %, how? Grabbing numbers out of the sky, Randy Jr.
@@TheFishdoctor1952 well 1000% is a little much, but Common Sense tells you, your way more app to catch a fish you see, than throwing in water where you think they may be. And who's Randy?
Good for cliff prince . Very impressive
Oh that was cliffs roommate Bernie Shultz
Bernie Schultz...Where them FFS guys now?
He had and used Livescope 😂😂😂😂😂
he would have caught them without it the same way
Spot on.
When it comes to Fishing (Not Scoping) the hammers show out.
Sure looked like he was watching his FFS to me
Live scope is the same as bed fishing…tell me otherwise…🤔
I've made tons of videos about this, I'll start here with this one comment. I can sight fish off the bank and it costs me zero dollars. Thats 5,000 reasons right there. I've got more dont worry.
Those guys who are dominant scorers wouldn't be as effective without it simply because think otlf the hundreds of hours they spent on that. That's hundreds of hours they haven't spent on other techniques. Ots a simple matter of time and experience. Nothing against the guys that's just simple math.
Everyone probaly got told not to use it to much anti FFS heat on right now.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I understand what you are trying to convey, but I have a few thoughts to add to your commentary to stir the pot a little as well.
I will break the numbers down in the next comment but for the time being, let’s look at your comment about how the top 10 looked when it’s NOT a scoping event. I think you will find that it really didn’t look drastically different ( other than the winner ) than the other top 10’s so far this year. Just like you we can leave names out and go strictly on years of experience at this level. I’m guessing the numbers will be very interesting.
Also, it needs to be asked, why were some of the strongest and most outspoken anglers against scoping, that have the longest careers with the most experience in exactly this type of derby still at the bottom ? A tournament that set up exactly the way they would want to utilize all those years of knowledge yet they still did not compete or at best slipped out a consolation check that may have covered their food and gas for the week. Why did anglers that were seen on podcasts showing of their outrageously over the top electronic setups and saying they “hated it” but had to have it now to compete, not even getting one of those checks ?
I’m neither for or against new technology, I am however against the downplaying of any angler that reaches the elite levels ability to find and catch fish competitively.
Wrong again
@@kylecurlee280 😂 do tell the part you think is incorrect ?
3-Rookies , 1-second year, 2-third year, 2-fourth year, 1-seventh year, 1-twelfth year. Seems pretty much inline with the results up till now.
Get rid of FFS! Sounds like a plan.
The thing with livescope is you can pick and choose witch fish you wanna target throw your bait right in front of there face and catch em" with no skill what so ever take that away most of these guys don't even belong in the elite series not saying they can't fish but there are levels In fishing and livescope erases the levels and makes it easier to catch fish and they also can snag a fish with livescope its horrible for the sport get rid of it!!!
I agree with some of this, not the snagging part that’s absurd,but no matter what I say they won’t do anything about it. I’m ok with complaining about the skill part but please please please when you make the argument don’t add in the snagging part. It discounts your first argument
After all the whining and crying about scope early in the year, it really seems like it’s gone back to being just a tool. Who would’ve thought the top two guys would be fishing offshore without using livescope?
Why aren’t livescopers more dominant when other bites are strong? Ummm. Shit, I don’t know. It could have something to do with the fact that livescope is not as much like spotlighting and not quite so video game, point and shoot like all these people cry about it being. Maybe it’s just another effective way to fish, of which, there are many. It’s the same way it has always been. Different bites are going to be better than others, at every single lake/river, at different times throughout the year. Sometimes it’s gonna be a punching through grass deal. Sometimes it’s gonna be a deep diving crankbait and 12” ledge worm deal. Sometimes livescope might be the best way to target them. It just isn’t the case that you can take one of those styles of fishing and compete with any consistency, at the highest levels of the game. It won’t happen. The ones who can adapt to every situation are the best anglers. The same way it has always been. Livescope didn’t change a damn thing in that regard. Lakemaster mapping had a greater impact on fishing. And it’s not even close.
It is a great tool. Levels the playing field through real time bass positioning. I love it but don’t always use it. The young guys are winning off of current history and no guessing..
Your allowed to say anything you like about FFS, it's just a tool, it does help in saving time over not having it, you can't make the fish bite though, I have seen guys though seem to struggle when they can't use it, but when these guys are up north without it, it is pretty boring to watch because hardly anyone is catching!👍🎣
A spotlight is also just a tool, you still have to hit the deer in the hay field
FACT. Todd is 180* of this guy named Randy, lol.
Jus sayin is the worst saying in our language.
But aren’t you “just sayin’ “ that?
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It was Bernie schultz telling the story I'm like you I knew of him an liked him but now I'm a fan
Great job@cliffprince