Sugar Ray Robinson vs Everyone
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Robinson’s outstanding performances in the Lightweight, Welterweight, Middleweight, and Light-Heavyweight divisions, led sportswriters to create the term, “Pound for Pound” in 1951. Used as a method of assessing how fighters would perform against each other outside the confines of a weight class, the P4P list was realized to determine the best fighter in the world. Sugar Ray Robinson still, till this day, holds the P4P #1 ranking of all time by all boxing historians and fans around the world. #shorts #boxing #goat
Ray was something different words can't even explain man skill in the ring prime Ray was a monster the fact that his prime weren't filmed cause from the fights clip available looks like he never left his prime
Literal tuvo 174 peleas (hasta donde tengo entendido) y solo perdió 19 peleas simplemente una máquina teniendo en cuenta que la mayoría de boxeadores no superan las 120 peleas
@@sebastucho007he only lost 19 times because he was 45 when he lost 15 fights and won 8.
If that didn’t happen he would’ve has 166-4
he said marvin hagler, idk if he could.
SRR is like that secret lvl.99 boss that you can only fight after beating the game
Perfect example
Ray is Mike Tyson and ail put together
I would have love to live in the greatest era of boxing. My today's favourite fighter is Usyk, but my all time is Robinson. I've watch a lot of his fight. What a fighter, The GOAT and what a Gentlemen outside the ring.
marvin hagler was really good idk about him beating him.
Hagler is nothing compared to SRR. SRR had reached pinnacle of boxing ring IQ and the sweet science as the saying goes....while other boxers played single notes...SRR played chords. When you have fought professionally 150+ other great boxers,lifting for 15 rounds, and had over 30 years of God knows how hours of sparring etc. And evolved your own boxing style with the experience. Your a Maverick.
@@gsingh2380 hagler beat everyone, trained non stop, had boxing down, it would be a great fight
If Record Of Ragnarok got a reboot or sequel I bet Sugar Ray Robinson would be picked as 1 of humanity's champions
Then replace him with adam when fighting zeus lmao zeus is getting knocked out cold
@@ryantarbadildo8765 Sugar Ray Robinson is GOAT'ed so I agree that he can either knockout Zeus or straight up do a Jimmy Doyle and kill him after having a nightmare before the fight.
@@wargeneralbonez Like dude, zeus would be fighting against a better puncher than the twink he fought so yeah.
@@ryantarbadildo8765 True to that. He stands no chance against the greatest boxer of all time.
Even tho Islam/christian role wise Adam jumps Zeus, SRR gonna solo the record of Ragnarok him lmao
The greatest of all time there would be no sugars or a Ali if it wasn’t for him 179-19 there’s no beating that he went on 91-0 kill streak on everybody he’s the reason you can move up and down in weight to fight anybody you want cause he was ripping through division one by one mr sugar aka sweet science
I watched an interview with Ray, and he said he didn't like boxing at all. It was strictly business. Imagine what he would have done if he had loved the sport.
bud would definitely win
@@presi08AMA😂
Sugar Ray Robison--- Great Of All Time❤ Pound👊For👊Pound👊
Yeah Man👍
Delusional. Based on what
@@lilsaff21beaten 13 world champions in an era where there were only 8 weight classes and one belt. Beat 10 hall of fame boxers which that record is tied for third for most out of any boxer along side with Henry Armstrong. Oh speaking of Armstrong who is arguably the second greatest P4P boxer of all time, was beaten by SRR. Oh almost forgot to mention hes also a two weight undisputed champ and is arguably the greatest in both welterweight AND middleweight. Yeah i think these reasons are pretty valid to prove that he is the greatest.
@@julianfalken8861
Over 200 fights, only 13 world champions. In a time where there was 8 weight classes. Hmmm… that’s a pretty weak case. But if that works for you, then ok. Floyd had 49 fights, way less than half and beat 23 world champions. Hmmm… ok. I guess he doesn’t have a case. The only fighter to hold 5 titles between 2 weight classes. I don’t think I need to go through the list of HOFers. It’s undeniable. But I guess Floyd doesn’t have a case. My bad
@@lilsaff21 he doesen’t have a case. There are other fighters who could be possibly the goat but floyd is objectively not it. Allow me to go further into detail as to why.
You seem to have glossed over the fact when i said SRR beat 13 world champs in an era with only one belt each weight class. Compared to floyd, who lived in an era with 4. This means Floyd has it literally 4 times easier to get wins from other champions. So if we did the math here and times SRR champion wins by 4, that would mean he would have over 52 champion wins if he fought today.
On top of that, out of 23 world champs floyd has beaten, only 7 of them were actual hall of famers. Out of 13 SSR beat, 10 were hall of famers. And also to mention your really dumb point on how having 200+ fights and only having 13 title wins is weak… What did you expect from him? Do you think all 200 of those fighters were really gonna be world killers? If you did then you’re really naive.
Back then you had to fight many times just so you could have more money and most of the time SRR fought it was just for the money especially at the end of his career. Just cause not all 200 opponents were quality opponents does not down play the top tier opponents he did face.
The only claim floyd has over SRR is that hes undefeated, and any boxing expert knows that being undefeated does not equal to being the greatest, only casuals think that. If that were the case Rocky Marciano would be the greatest heavyweight of all time not Muhammad Ali.
Thi edit is actually Art. And i agree, despite seeing some of my favs, Prime Robinson would eat em up
I agree, we never got to see his prime on video either, yet seeing footage from what we have. It amazes me how someone can be so far ahead of their time, the goat 🐐
sugar ray is a goat fr bro has a streak lost 1 then went back got another streak I think in all it was hundred seventh something to one loss truly a goat🔥
Sugar Ray is on another level.
El más grande de todos los tiempos, Sugar Ray Robinson 🔥👍👍👍💯💯💯🥊👑👑👑
This was beautiful 🐐👑
Just a reminder, there's no videos of him in his prime. The only evidences are the memories of the fans in that time, which I wish to see his glory days.
there was but the quality back then was terrible during his prime, wished there was footage of him during his peak tho
My all time fav fighter 😢
It's a shame Sugar Ray Robinson and Ezzard Charles never spent enough time in the same weight classes to face each other. I'd give the edge in Charles at light heavyweight, and to Robinson at middleweight, but they'd be great fights either way. 🥊
Robinson only lost one fight in his prime tho. He is beating Charles any weightclass.
@@LTD538 Good point, but he wasn't fighting Murderer's Row like Charles was.
Oh c'mon man,
Robinson is not beating Ezzard Charles at light heavyweight.
Charles is the greatest light heavy of all time.
@@user-gg8li6ow6l I know what you mean. I just never count SRR out because he was still the greatest p4p. It would at least be an amazing fight to see, even if we can already bet Charles would win.
@@surrealistidealist I meant that to the person who said Robin beats Charles Ny weight class
FUCKING GOAT I LOVE SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
Sugar Ray all-day everyday
P4P G.O.A.T
Greatest of all Times Ranking (Boxing):
1. *Roberto Duran* (Hands of Stone/Manos De Piedra) (Inventor of Mano-A-Mano, Machismo, Boxing tactics) &
Jim Thorpe (Greatest Multi-Sport Athlete 20th century)
2. *Salvador Sanchez* (Pound4Pound Inch4Inch #1)
3. Carlos Monzon (Greatest Middleweight Ever)
4. Ricardo Lopez (El Finito. Perfection)
5. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr | *89-0*
6. Alexis Arguello
7. Carlos Ortiz (Puerto Rico's #1)
8. Arturo Godoy (Greatest Heavyweight)
9. Pascual Perez (Finest Little Giant)
10. Eder Jofre
11. Alberto Baby Arizmendi | *Destroyed Henry Armstrong In their 1st & 2nd bout. Amazing*
12. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
13. Willie Pep
14. Manny Pacquiao
15. John L Sullivan / Daniel Mendoza (bare knuckle days)
18. M.M. Hagler
19. Luis Angel Firpo (Legendary Heavyweight)
20. Edwin "El Inca" Valero
21. Manuel Ortiz
22. Roy Jones Jr
23. Harry Greb
24. Wilfredo Gomez
25. Oscar De La Hoya
26. Benny Leonard
27. Sugar Ray Leonard
28. Roman *chocolatito* Gonzalez
29. Sugar Ray Robinson | *19 losses, lost all 1st bouts against HOFers & top ten competition. Ducked Alberto baby Arizmendi*
30. Gene Tunney (Fighting Marine)
31. Stanley Ketchel
32. Micheal Carbajal
33. Muhammed Ali (Lost to 7-0 Leon Spinks)
34. Bobby Chacon
35. Rafael Limon
36. Masahiko "Fighting" Harada (Japan's Finest)
37. Jack Dempsey
38. Sam Langford
39. Erik Morales
40. Jimmy Wilde (104-0)
41. Juan Manual Marquez
42. Nino Benvenuti
43. Jose Napoles
44. Victor Galindez
45. Henry Armstrong
46. Jose Luis Ramirez (won vs. Pernell Whitaker)
47. Thomas Hearns
48. Rocky Marciano
49. Gennady Golovkin (Triple G)
50. Joe Calzaghe
51. Ken Buchanan
52. Ruben Olivares
53. Terry McGovern
54. Tony Canzoneri
55. Hector "Macho" Camacho
56. Lou Ambers
57. Kid Gavilan
58. Esteban De Jesus
59. Meldrick Taylor
60. Larry Holmes
61. Vilomar Fernandez
62. Ernesto Marcel
63. Marcel Cerdan
64. Wilfredo Benitez (Boxing's 1st Prodigy)
65. Juan Laporte
66. Carlos Zarate
67. Jake Lamatto
68. Nicolino Locche (Defensive Genius)
69. Pernell Whittaker
70. Joe Louis
71. Joe Frazier
72. Mike Tyson
73. George Foreman
74. Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez
75. Rosendo Alvarez
76. Ezzard Charles
77. Azumah Nelson
78. Pedro Montanez
79. Kid Chocolate
80. Felix "Tito" Trinidad
81. Maxie Rosenbloom (Original Radar)
82. Evander Holyfield
83. Joe Gans
84. Jimmy Wilde
85. Jack Johnson
86. Vincenta Saldivar
87. Miguel Canto
88. Mikey Garcia
100. Floyd Hugweather Runweather.
"I'm glad this man wasn't alive in my Era" -Willie Pep, in reference to *Salvador Sanchez*
"when a champion is as physically talented as this man is, his main opponent is himself"-Larry Merchant, in reference to *Salvador Sanchez*
Sugar Ray Robinson The 🐐
Sugar Ray Robinson... The original
Both sugar rays in a mythical match up would be crazy
Ray Robinson is the greatest fighter that ever lived
Delusional
He would be the greatest if Ali didn’t exist, Ali even said himself if he ever said anyone was greater then him it would have to be sugar ray robinsion
you could put it this way
Ali is the Greatest boxer of all times (In and out of the ring)
SRR is Greatest boxer pound for pound
@@alover466jack johnson, jack dempsey, ezzard charles: am i joke to you?
@@Brutal_animee they were only the best of that era
@@alover466 we talking about greatness or p4p? Cause in p4p case ezzard was the best, even better than SRR. Ali himself admitted that Johnson was tougher than him. In Dempsey's era, the last one been well-known from random granny to farmer's dog. Taking into account inflation, he also can be the richest boxer of all time.
Ali is greatest heavyweight boxer of all time but sugar Rey robinson is greatest boxer ever pound for pound
Ray vs Roy jones would be tough
Prime for Prime, I think it'd be a draw. Both Boxers had everything on par.
Roy style would piss sugar off in his prime
And can you upload this as well this is just something else 😲😊
Sugar ray robinson is the best boxer in history even better than mike tyson and muhammad ali and im saying this as a Muhammad ali fan
Y fue compañero en el regimiento con el gran you Luis creo que tenían el mismo entrenador you Luis admiraba a sugar Rey y eran grandes amigos de la misma época siempre tendré la duda si se uviera enfrentado el mejor Ali contra el mejor you Luis el cuál era mejor que mí boxeador preferido you Fraser mejor que foreman el peso pesado con mejor puntería dé todos los tiempos saludos
Mike Tyson ain’t nowhere near
Robinson had a better career than Leonard, because Leonard’s career was derailed by the detached retina. But Leonard before the eye injury would beat the brakes off Robinson. He would knock Robinson out.
Let me put it to you like this. Sugar lost 19 fights. 13 of those loses came when he turned 40 and was a shell of himself.
Spot on! He’s the 🐐
Sugar Ray Robinson is the true G.O.A.T in boxing history
The god of boxing
Ippo feel me like sugar Ray Robinson boxing hall of famer and p4p goat he is not in anime he is sugar Ray Robinson
what in gods name is u on abt
C'mon please I love the videos man 😍
I got another dropping in a few days, but I’m definitely going to do another VS edit soon. Either going to be part 2 for Robinson, or a whole other boxer.
The Goat 🐐
Here's the thing, there isn't any footage of prime SRR, the only footage available is him "supposedly" past his peak even though he did win some world class matches.
Besides the people who watched him, we don't know how truly great he was, scary if you think about it.
With that audio u should have added Ali and ray v everyone
I feel you, but no, I wanted the short focused on a particular fighter, as Ali has his “vs everyone” too. Although an ali and ray vs everyone with this audio would of been dope, I still think the Audio is befitting for sugar alone. Appreciate you though 🫡
@@Razah. yh 💯💯
On th inside? No prob, Ray is an expert with his brutal inside hooks (watch end of Lamotta massacre) Outside? The most graceful dancer-boxer to ever live!
90-0 in the amateurs and went onto pro's, he had 40 wins before his first loss to lamotta. After that he had 80-90 consecutive wins. He retired with 175 wins 110 knockouts and 19 losses after his prime. In both amateur and professional boxing he had more than 50% wins via knockout.
The Master. Was something other ELSE. 😮
Duran, Roy, GGG, Ezzard, Hopkins(in years) wins, also may be Hearns and Canelo
I feel like the only one who would have gave him a problem is kid gavilan that man was something special too
Ray Robinson beat him 2 times already.
You can't beat sugar Rey robinson he is just god gived him talent that no one have he must be greatest of all time pound for pound 🐐🥊🥶
I remember an old time trainer saying in ray Robinson God made the perfect fighter
@stephensearles673 wow 🥊🔥🐐
Robinson isn’t beating prime Henry Armstrong. He couldn’t even finish Armstrong when he was at the end of his career.
I love Pac and Ali but Sugar Ray's the greatest for me
Charles burley! The man that would’ve beat him if given a chance. Sugar said it himself. “You gotta be crazy to fight him”
That's true he also said I'm far to pretty to fight burley lol
Burley is overrated, people only rate him because he beat Archie Moore but styles make fights at the end of the day.
The best
He's your GOAT
i’d wanna see bivol vs ray
He'd beat everyone but along the wsy he would have some hard fights ie Hearns Monzon Hagler
Only a few people beat there idol and he was one of them edg Henry Armstrong was one of ray idols
Mike tyson vs everyone
you want that?
@@Razah. yeah please
Bueno contra foreman en su mejor momento o contra Soni listón o contra you Fraser o contra you Luis etc
❤❤❤❤
I agree
At 1 point he was 126-1.
He had well over 100 KOs and he even killed a man in the ring.
Floyd has 50 mostly decisions.
Robinson had the power of Tyson the reflexes.of Roy Jones and better footwork than Ali.
Over 200 pro fights was stopped once of heat exhaustion where even the ref fainted, at light heavyweight and old.
Easily GOAT conversation and arguably the man.
No one is beating a man with no weaknesses as a boxer if he ever took you seriously it would be over everybody on this list is losing to Sugar Ray Robinson p4p the second greatest fighter of all time next to Muhammad Ali the Two Goats of the game 🎉
FIRE🎉
Pair him with prime jack dempsey👀
The goat but prime for prime id put Roy above everyone. I think he’d be too talented for sugar Ray to handle.
Rocky marciano 💀
❤️💯💯💯💯💯
idk about Charles
Charles was huge, hit harder and was a master at countering
Jimmy Doyle
I do believe he could beat all these fighters I also believe many of these fighters could beat him
Ray definitely beats them all.
Nah, i mean cmon GGG too big
@@umarrazvi He may be bigger, but Ray's ring IQ and skills will overcome GGG size.
@@user-bp9xw3ht8s i disagree same goes for Hagler as he was super skilled himself
@@umarrazviRobinson by decision
@@LTD538 deluded SRR is elite but size, new more advanced generation & the fact they were also skilled themselves
Podrias hacer un video asi con este tema de yaqui lopes porfa grasias saludos
SSR best fighter to ever put on a glove. Not Ali, not Tyson, not mayweather but SRR. While other fighters are worthy of respect they can’t come close to SRR
Not agree with everything. Roy Jones Jr. The man was presenting skill from another planet. His timing, speed, reflex, power mad him (in my opinion) the greatest boxer in his weight. And the Best P4p.
Though he failed to prove that overall in his career. Thats why people have Sugar Ray Robinson as the P4P GOAT and BOAT simply because of what he has proven and against who he has proven against.
Roy is far from "just" a good fighter, there is no doubt in my mind he was one of the best to ever do it but by not being abled to rack up his career like Ray did. It makes Roy just not look so very good in comparison.
Also Roy was a wee bit chinny and i seriously doubt that Ray would fail to land at least one good left hook on Roy for 12-15 rounds. Personally i got Ray by 11th round KO.
No disrespect to Roy ofc he's an amazing champ but personally i got Ray against him.
Greatest of all Times Ranking (Boxing):
1. *Roberto Duran* (Hands of Stone/Manos De Piedra) (Inventor of Mano-A-Mano, Machismo, Boxing tactics) &
Jim Thorpe (Greatest Multi-Sport Athlete 20th century)
2. *Salvador Sanchez* (Pound4Pound Inch4Inch #1)
3. Carlos Monzon (Greatest Middleweight Ever)
4. Ricardo Lopez (El Finito. Perfection)
5. Julio Cesar Chavez Sr | *89-0*
6. Alexis Arguello
7. Carlos Ortiz (Puerto Rico's #1)
8. Arturo Godoy (Greatest Heavyweight)
9. Pascual Perez (Finest Little Giant)
10. Eder Jofre
11. Alberto Baby Arizmendi | *Destroyed Henry Armstrong In their 1st & 2nd bout. Amazing*
12. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
13. Willie Pep
14. Manny Pacquiao
15. John L Sullivan / Daniel Mendoza (bare knuckle days)
18. M.M. Hagler
19. Luis Angel Firpo (Legendary Heavyweight)
20. Edwin "El Inca" Valero
21. Manuel Ortiz
22. Roy Jones Jr
23. Harry Greb
24. Wilfredo Gomez
25. Oscar De La Hoya
26. Benny Leonard
27. Sugar Ray Leonard
28. Roman *chocolatito* Gonzalez
29. Sugar Ray Robinson | *19 losses, lost all 1st bouts against HOFers & top ten competition. Ducked Alberto baby Arizmendi*
30. Gene Tunney (Fighting Marine)
31. Stanley Ketchel
32. Micheal Carbajal
33. Muhammed Ali (Lost to 7-0 Leon Spinks)
34. Bobby Chacon
35. Rafael Limon
36. Masahiko "Fighting" Harada (Japan's Finest)
37. Jack Dempsey
38. Sam Langford
39. Erik Morales
40. Jimmy Wilde (104-0)
41. Juan Manual Marquez
42. Nino Benvenuti
43. Jose Napoles
44. Victor Galindez
45. Henry Armstrong
46. Jose Luis Ramirez (won vs. Pernell Whitaker)
47. Thomas Hearns
48. Rocky Marciano
49. Gennady Golovkin (Triple G)
50. Joe Calzaghe
51. Ken Buchanan
52. Ruben Olivares
53. Terry McGovern
54. Tony Canzoneri
55. Hector "Macho" Camacho
56. Lou Ambers
57. Kid Gavilan
58. Esteban De Jesus
59. Meldrick Taylor
60. Larry Holmes
61. Vilomar Fernandez
62. Ernesto Marcel
63. Marcel Cerdan
64. Wilfredo Benitez (Boxing's 1st Prodigy)
65. Juan Laporte
66. Carlos Zarate
67. Jake Lamatto
68. Nicolino Locche (Defensive Genius)
69. Pernell Whittaker
70. Joe Louis
71. Joe Frazier
72. Mike Tyson
73. George Foreman
74. Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez
75. Rosendo Alvarez
76. Ezzard Charles
77. Azumah Nelson
78. Pedro Montanez
79. Kid Chocolate
80. Felix "Tito" Trinidad
81. Maxie Rosenbloom (Original Radar)
82. Evander Holyfield
83. Joe Gans
84. Jimmy Wilde
85. Jack Johnson
86. Vincenta Saldivar
87. Miguel Canto
88. Mikey Garcia
100. Floyd Hugweather Runweather.
"I'm glad this man wasn't alive in my Era" -Willie Pep, in reference to *Salvador Sanchez*
"when a champion is as physically talented as this man is, his main opponent is himself"-Larry Merchant, in reference to *Salvador Sanchez*
❤❤
Goated PFP, I love Rocky so much ❤️
Marvin and roy are the only ones who could beat him or give him a good fight, duran has a chance too but he is too small for him
Sugar ray Robertson beats them all
Sugar Ray Robinson ain’t beating Sugar Ray Leonard at welterweight. Hell no. Duran would also get Robinson. Hearns would be a toss up. All the rest Robinson would beat easily though.
Only one I feel would give Ray problems is a prime Roy Jones and this is because Roy could hit had height and is not just a great counter fighter but he can throw counter hooks in combinations similar to to Sugar Ray. But at 147 I’ll take Ray Robinson 155 I might take Roy. Ray the GOAT tho
Please what is the name of the song in the background
After Dark (ik im late)
Muhammad Ali 💀💀💀💀💀
People do not realize most footage of sugar ray isn’t even documented. Most of the films of him were at the end of his carrier. Most of his golden days, the young, hungry days are not even on youtube. It’s our imagination to come fill the void.
it’s scary if you think abt it, there wasn’t footage of srr fighting in his prime with good quality, we don’t know how great he was in his peak.
Is tough
Sugar ray leonard definitely would have given him a run for his money
thats right only Muhammad Ali was greater than Sugar Ray Robinson 🥊
Ezzard Charles beats Sugar Ray Robinson Any heavyweight can beat a A welterweight because of his size and height and his punch, which is superior.
Jake was actually the first person to defeat Robinson they fought I think 5 or 6 times jake only won once
then he went undefeated with 89 winning streaks so 129-1. Can’t forget the fact that he fought a bunch of former world champs and hall of famers and beat all of them.
@@QuyQuy13-55 it’s still unbelievable that we went to that record
Saying Sugar Ray Robinson is better than Prime. Canelo Alverez, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Sugar Ray Leonard is bold.
I think it’s bold to suggest he isn’t 🤷
It’s the opposite lol. Ray Robinson is the best boxer of any weight class in HISTORY. he’d whoop all those dudes. Leonard would put up the best fight of all of them I reckon, Floyd would just run and Canelo would be interesting but I think Robinson would get the KO.
la duda ofende
The man killed a man in the ring.Had way too much dog in him.
You forgot Marvelous Marvin Hagler
He is in the edit, Number 2.
the inoy man that can take on SRR is carlos monzon and hagler...duran was afivhter he couldve fought hin hard but he's a notch below SRR.
@sharmakeabees4745
1 month ago
Every fighter call him p4p of all time it's not how many fought he had it's who he fought dannnm 😅
Why no
Sugar ray beats all of them 🥊
He certainly does brother!
Marvin hagler would destroy him
Plz people go and watch his fights
No one in their prime with his prime in middle weight can beat hagler
Marvin was marvelous but Ray Robinson was as sweet as sugar😎
Marvin hagler war war @@xGhostRidah
Jake Lamotta beat prime SSR (probably more than once).
Ray won the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th & 6th fight while Jake Lamottw won the 2nd fight
Pacquiao is better because he is a way more accomplished fighter than Robinson but we must remember pacquiao had way different opportunities and lived in a completely different world than robinson
Sugar Rey Robinson uviera destrozado fácilmente a floid Mayweather
sugar does not beat all of them 💀
Where's charley burley
Roy Jones was the modern day Charley Burley. Similar styles.
@@xGhostRidahCharley Burley isn’t a modern fighter
@@cullex.2851 I corrected it.
PRIME Ezzard Charles and PRIME Roy Jones Jr. will defeat Ray Robinson.
The first has enough skills, mastery and combat intelligence, while the second has power and speed.
Robinson is definitely a very, very good boxer, but he won’t be able to knock out Ezzard Charles. Ezzard withstood punches from POST-PRIME Louis and PRIME Marciano, going the full distance with both.
And what Jones did in his best years, no boxer in history allowed himself to do.
But in my list of the best boxers (in terms of achievements and oppositions), Robinson and Charles share 1st place.
Sugar Ray Robinson can't beat Muhammad Ali, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Bernard Hopkins, Joe Gans, Ricardo Lopez, Salvador Sanchez, Pernell Whitaker, or Archie Moore.
Idk bout a lot of these😭def not tommy or duran. Jake Lamotta was very troublesome for Robinson so what would a skillful boxing puncher like Duran or Tommy do. No disrespect to the man Sugar Ray Robinson tho I just don't think he would beat a couple of the guys named here.
I disagree, but fair enough on your opinion 🥊
Jake only really gave trouble to a welterweight inexperienced Ray when he outweighed him by 20 lbs!
He was almost knocked out in Valentine's fight,
And Lamotta ain't no chump,
He would give serious trouble to both Duran and Hearns,
He would beat them at least once in a trilogy.
Ray was just a Leonard that had better punching power and even more ring IQ,
It would be a hard fight but the great Robinson prevails.
Tommy don't have the greatest chin,
Ray would trap him just like he did Fullmer,
And Fullmer had a chin as great as Hagler.
@zoramsangpuia Hm perhaps I'm not giving Sugar ray robinson enough respect. Welp time to watch some film on him. Appreciate your input
@@bmaugajr Yes brother,
The ring IQ of this man was astonishing!
ua-cam.com/video/Oi-FWnMkaaM/v-deo.htmlsi=EPs4yzWsXGmvPkvv
Mf knocked out the Undisputed World middleweight champ who is also one of the greatest fighters and chins in boxing history with a single left hook moving backwards, backwards!!
And this was an old Robinson way past his prime too!
SRR over all of those guys? Are we excusing the facts that, as the years went on, the more skilled and athletic fighter became? Ray was good for his time. Let’s stop acting like his era had a great deal of athleticism and skill. They were more gritty fighters than anything. We can watch some of his fights on UA-cam. He’s not beating Floyd. He’s not beating Pac. He’s not beating Crawford. He’s not beating BHop. He’s not beating Oscar De La Hoya, etc.
"He was good for his time" is the single most common comment I see online. regarding old school fighters, fighting isn't the same as other sports. please educate yourself on boxing and I mean this with the upmost respect. Names I suggest, Willie pep, gene Tunney, jersey joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, Muhammad Ali. there's a reason why these names stand out the test of time. because they will be successful in any era. footwork, rhythm, timing, speed, reflexes, stamina, resume, champions, hall of famers and so on.
@@Razah.
I am educated in boxing. Don’t start the ad Homs. It won’t go your way I promise you. Also, just because a fighter will be successful in any era, doesn’t mean they would be as successful as they were in theirs. Let’s not be ignorant in not knowing the difference. The video said, Sugar Ray over everybody. He ended his career with 19Ls. And not one of those opponents were as athletic, nor as intelligent as the opponents I listed. Let’s just be real. Like I said, he was good for his time.
@@lilsaff21 you're not educated though are you? otherwise you wouldn't be talking like a casual talks. either how, the greats of boxing such as Muhammad Ali, Joe louis, Bert sugar, Mike Tyson, Walcott, Cus D'amato, tank, you know, the boxing scholars who have spent their entire lives around boxing all recognise ray Robinson as the or one of the greatest boxers of all time and recognise he would be successful in any era. so I don't think your opinion matters does it.
@@Razah.
I’ve learned, when people call people casual, or make mention of it, 8-10 times, they are the casuals. And you’re telling me something I already know. But here you are trying to take the position as a boxing scholar. And I never once said ray Robinson wasn’t ONE of the greatest. You are coming with an assumption that’s my position about Ray Robinson. And it’s not. Instead of trying to be smart, why not just ask my opinion of him overall. And I already said, he would be successful in any era. What part of that wasn’t clear? Your opinion doesn’t matter either. Clearly. It’s all opinions at the end of the day.
@@lilsaff21 causal is just an easy term to use when someone just doesn’t understand the history of boxing, for instance you stated Robinson fought boxers who aren’t as athletic as the names you mentioned, I’ve never seen Oscar, Floyd or pacman go 15 rounds. So in reality the old school fighters are more athletic as there’s proof. You have 0 evidence to show modern day fighters are more athletic than old school fighters. the greatest boxer of all time is someone who’s on top, you mention names such Crawford, de lay hoya, Pac stating he’s not beating them, which in turn means Ray Robinson isn’t the greatest, so I’m not assuming anything, you indirectly stated that he isn’t the greatest. And like I said, your opinion is irrelevant, when scholars such as Ali, Cus, Tank, Patterson, Louis, Bert Sugar and so on say the opposite of what you said. You have an opinion yes, but what I’m telling you is also the opinion of those names I’ve mentioned. So I think we’re done here.
Mayweather and canelo 😂😂😂 I don't think so
I mean, you chose the most mainstream boxers from this list, they wouldn’t be a problem for Robinson, one Sugar Ray defeated the Philly shell with ease, and I know certainly the other would of done the same. The ones on this list that would of gave SRR a problem is, Marvin Hagler, Duran.
@@Razah. And leonard
I think Roy in his prime beat srr
SRR would've danced around him. Roy might have had fast hands, but he didn't have that footwork.
@@xGhostRidah he had really good footwork speed but footwork technique is something he does no5 have. But if Roy can beat heavyweights I think he would beat srr
@Niklasholmen yes, Roy had footwork but he didn't have THAT, footwork. SRR movement was different and roy never fought anyone who moved or fought like SRR. Everyone Roy has fought in his prime, SRR would've beaten....
@@xGhostRidah James Toney looked unbeatable and had a 44-0 record and Roy exposed him.
@Niklasholmen even James Toney said SRR was the best😉. What you've seen in prime jones was an enigma of SRR. See Roy was an athletic fighter. He wasn't a skilled fighter. That showed later in his years. SRR has both athletic and skilled. His record speaks for itself.