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Ram Pump Stacked Waste Valves vs Normal Valve
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2021
- A request was sent in to test stacked waste valves vs a single waste valve. In this test I run a delivery pipe up the hill 2 feet and use a ram pump in normal configuration. I take get the colume pumped in 1 minute then I install the stacked valves and retake the volume in 1 minute. Watch to see how the test plays out.
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That’s actually not about the height of the valve. The original valve is still doing the job. The second valve is restricting the exit flow of the water from the first valve, and causing inefficiency. It’s negative redundancy. To legitimately check how height affects a waste valve, it needs to be a single valve at different heights.
Hi Seth, I emailed you a couple months back with the idea of 2 drive pipes and 2 waste valves. Sent a poorly photoshopped picture diagram to. I would love to see what kind of flow rate it would get. Have seen a few other videos in foreign languages with 4 drive pipes and waste values. Seems to greatly increase the flow. Hope you and your family are doing well. Good bless! - Danny
I would love to see that too! Very cool idea. 👀
If you run parallel and have some difference in height of the valves then it works better. Not 2x better, but the output is more constant.
I've tried it with 3, but I don't think we have the head pressure to run all of them that well.
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Thank you fr the up load we are learning a lot from your video
I just redrew the idea in a notepad. I will try to get around to this soon. Two drive pipes going to two waste valves with a single pressure tank and delivery pipe. Things have been really crazy around my house with the wife leaving.
@@LandtoHouse that is awesome Seth, glad you found it. I also have many video ideas, and not enough time with full time job. Hope your wife going on a trip, she's not leaving leaving right? 😳 You don't need to reply to that here if you don't want to. Wishing you the best brother! - Danny
I would think one or the other would trigger, leaving the untriggered to simply restrict flow.
Probably with more input head pressure we would see more of that. But to be honest the lower valve seems to do all the work.
Yes, I also think so. It is rather unlikely that both will exaclty synchronise.
a foot valve with some modifications will give you more water at the outlet where you need it the most I've done this I've researched it it works
Thanks so much for the update great job bro you have fans all the way in Jamaica .✊🏾
Thank you for watching! You are half way around the world!
If raising waste valve height decreased output, how about turning the “T” below waste valve to 90 degrees and use 90 fitting to mount waste valve to and lower waste valve height - this may increase flow. Worth a try?
Would there be any way to say solder a holder/bracket and have a lightly weighted pushrod pushing down on the flapper to auto open the flapper for you instead of having to sit there and push it to prime it...make an "auto primer" kind of assembly
I see a golf cart in your future to get up and down your hill 😁
Please do a test for us. Use a plumbing vent cap valve and see if it would work as a waste valve?
How can I recover the water coming out from the "waste valve" if the wall of my tank is about 1.20m high?
watched many of your videos and enjoy them, but wondering if just adding a longer pipe above the exhaust would change things or then adding a longer pipe and raising the exhaust valve, but just one valve only, not adding a valve. Thanks for the videos
Could you direct the waste valve downwards to run a small dripper irrigation system?
I ordered mine.
Hum... i have a small presure tank 5lb i think. Wonder if you use a biger air tank if you could gain longer strokes on the check valves.
what will happen if you split the tube before the valve and put like 3-4 valves to work like engine, and then combine the tubing again to the pressure tank
I wonder if it would be possible to capture the escaping waste water back into the system?
Can you just inslall 3-4 waste walve in parallel meaning that each waste walve would have three to four different connection going into the pressure pipe?
Nice test, I expect that these result would match up well to having just a riser pipe above the waste valve.
That is a good point. You are probably right! might even be a little less because that flap might get in the way on the second valve.
Can you use the waste valve of a ram pump to do work, like driving a spiral pump, or something to push more water uphill? OR would there not be enough energy from the waste valve getting pushed to do sufficient work to turn something like a spiral pump?
Or like could you use the waste pump to power an alternator or something which might electrically drive a spiral pump (of the mechanical energy was insufficient)?
Hey Seth, what if you added another check valve at the inlet to the pump? I wonder if this would prevent the pressure spike traveling back up the drive pipe and force more of it through the delivery check valve 🤔
Has anyone tested that theory yet????
I had thought of a different sort of stack, like a larger ram pump at a lower elevation feeding to a stand pipe, or feed pipe, even a holding tank, as far up the hill as you could get, then a small drop to another ram pump and up again. I know water would be lost at each pump, but so what if it just runs back to the creek anyways? What if you just needed 50 or 100 gallons every week or two but a few hundred feet or more up a hill, farther than hoses could withstand the pressure, could a series of systems be used? How big of ram could keep a smaller ram going? If you need multiple lifts, could like the waist water from a third pump be caught to also resupply the tank back at the second pump adding to what comes up from the first? If you couldn't keep a series of systems like this running constantly, could you pump like a thousand gallons to a tank at "A", then a 100 to "B" intermittently whenever "A" gets full. Or even more if you catch the waist from pump "B" and send it back to tank "A"? etc. I am not far from a large creek laterally, and don't need a lot of water, but I am a few hundred feet above this creek, there are several cliffs and ledges, and a canyon, Rocky Mountain style involved. Packing up even five gallons out of there would be a huge chore - better to drive 20 miles to go get it. Any ideas or input?
What happens if you run two waste valves not stacked but in series? Additionally you could have some sort of jig to prime both of them with a hand crank.
Have you done...2 or more ram pumps feeding one line? You'd probably need a whole lot more water but your bucket with float valve should be sufficient.
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If you were to extend the waste valve higher through a smaller tube(like a 1/8 inch hose higher would that affect the motion of the waste valve?
I'm building a system that uses a ram pump for the mechanical action but has a small tube to the upward waste valve to relieve head pressure and keep the waste valve operating as intended...
Are you sure BOTH waste valves were kick off? One of the things I've noticed and appreciated over the years is that you are really particular about the details. It's a quality I have as well.
The top valve did close but did not seem to do anything. Some details yes but others I need to work on.
Have you built/tested any larger pumps then 1 1/4? I tried to build one out of 2" check valves but I had a way too big pressure tank on it and it just blooped along and didn't build pressure, gonna I had a 3" pressure tank on it, gonna try again with a 2" pressure tank soon. I'm going to try and stack a battery of rams to pump flood irrigation water uphill 10' and a 100 yards away. Thanks Eric. I'm loving the ram pump vids! Thanks for doing them!
Another great test.:)
Thank you. It was an interesting idea. Just did not work.
Nice experiment. It not only adds restriction, but will also mean the water has to flow to some extra height before exiting, effectively reducing the height difference between the input and output.
It might be an idea to try to figure out a way to have the exit at the waste valve come out lower. Either have an 'n' piece after the waste valve, or try to remount the 'T' piece horizontally with a 90 degree up before the waste valve.
I don't see that making any positive difference because extra tube to resist flow.
The simplicity of a ram pump is what makes it so good.
Have you ever thought of measuring the waste water or the loss of the pump through the waste valve?
Was also curious if you have done one with a short 2-3 foot hose coming off the waste valve to redirect water for like an insulated setup
Hi, have you tried with 3/4" suction and 1/2" delivery ramp pump, I feel we will get more water on the top
If you increased the pipeline size all away round would it pump water a mile up hill
Try 2 valves in parallel with 1 Inlet pipe and 1 pressure tank. Maybe 2 valves will boost the water outflow?
Is it time to do some of the old videos again and measure output you have said you might I'm interested in pressure take sizes most
It would be nice to have more accurate numbers on the old videos.
Is there a way to put the waste water to be put back in the water supply ?
How about using the second valve in parallel instead of in series? Kind of sitting next to each other instead of on top?
I thought it might smooth out the output flow, that was my guess.
Hello awesome video once again thanks for the information have an awesome day Donald @moneypit homestead
have you tested having 2 waste valves (not stacked) to see if that helps with pressure or something like that? theoretically that should improve the pressure it creates right?
is the delivery valve springloaded? you seem to need a lot of backpressure.
Secondly, if you run 2 waste valves in parallel, the water has less resistance to accelerate, so the waterhammer is stronger.
what is with parallel pump? and 2 valve behind the 2 pumps
Has anyone tried running two ram pumps beside each other in a parallel setup that's being fed from the same supply line? I'd image you'd need a supply hose big enought to supply both pumps at once without restricting the pumps but would it offer twice the output or would it cause them to cancel each other out? I also imaging the timing between the 2 pumps would have to be pretty spot on in order for the water hammer to run both Pumps. And another thought is if you're using a short supply line that causes a quicker water hammer could you use two pumps in parallel but with a see-saw like mechanisms on that valves that forced one pumps valve open while the other is closing so one pump is pumping while the other isn't to utilise the quicker hammer
How about using 2 inline valve😅
He has a video on that already. ua-cam.com/video/Eo8ehpuJHg8/v-deo.html
That was a fun test. It showed that water still flows out the path of least resistance. The upper level had less flow.
You should try putting a pressure gauge on the outlet pump from the pump before it goes into the hose. I wouldn't be surprised if the pressure was higher with two valves than one despite the reduced flow rate. If that's the case then you would be able to push water higher uphill although it would be at a lower flow rate. Give it a try, all you need to do is put a pressure gauge on the outlet of the pump.
Hi Seth, I enjoy your videos. Would increasing the height of the pressure tank give you greater flow thru the drive pipe? Say for a 1/2 inch line, what the best height for the pressure tank? Thank you!!!!!!
I'm curious, why do you spend so long pumping the pump to get water up the delivery pipe? Couldn't you just take some water up to the top of the incline and pour it back down?
You can do that too. It means you have to climb the delivery height over and over. (Or use well water from the house )
You should try a siphon off of the waste valve to increase head pressure
I have connected a second pump from the waste of the first. But siphon would keep the waste closed all the time.
I understand it's not hard at all to pressurize the tank by cycling the valve. Could you, however, pressurize it by having a schraeder valve and pumping in air to like 40psi or something?
use a manual water pump to prime the system, maybe. faster and less fiddly (and wet) than sitting there poking the waste valve.
Why don't you use the same brass valve in both of the valves?
Why don’t you carry the test one step farther and make the waste valve lower than the pressure tank. Just a thought.
I've only stacked valves to down size when flow rate slowed
My question is how can you reduce the waste.
Are you sure that the upper valve was closing? Looked like just the lower one opened and closed....
It was back and forth. The lower valve is doing 90% of the work.
Seth with the high price of gas, you need a ram pump that will pump you Neighbors car to your car....
Ha well luckily my little truck er I mean car gets 30 miles per gallon.
I wonder if this is the solution, or something similar, to slowing down the plastic non wearing waste valve?
P.S ( your wife wants you to finish painting the porch.)
I think that valve just needed some weight on it to hold it down. But this might do the trick.
As for the porch... Yes it sure does need to be painted. I have the paint just no time.
@@LandtoHouse Wouldn't the weight of the water hold it down?
Time, yes don't we all!
whats up with the hydro dam buddy ?
It is still there. I have some personal things going on and filming is limited.
Can I have the dam in your stead? 😜 I’d love to try some hydro experiments of my own
have you seen this pump in Asia, where they put an extension pipe on to the waste valve to help increase the amount of water flow, it would be interesting to see you test this idea.
Here is the youtube link starting at 1.57 where it says about the improved flow, ua-cam.com/video/fdsqacG1QWA/v-deo.html
If it does work and the flow rate increases, it might be interesting to see if a larger diameter pipe on the waste ale would improve the flow even more.
Or just carry the bucket up the hill.
What if you connected a hose to the waste valve, ran that hose downhill more for a syphon effect on the pressure side?