Apparently a lot of people didn't know about "the sum first N natural numbers" thing. For the purpose of Hearthstone: *Fatigue damage = {Draw × (draw+1)} / 2* If opponent has no card in deck, and Roffle play 3 Coldlight Oracle, then they both draw 6 cards. The damage would be = {6×(6+1)}÷2 = (6×7)÷2 = 42÷2 = 21 damage.
Actually the matchup against aggressive decks is not as bad as you may thing, as long as they are board centric. Against direct damage oriented aggro it is more complicated. In addition, while being quite aggressive, handbuff paladin does take a few turns to set up, so all this makes handbuff paladin not that terrible of a matchup for mill rogue. The only concern should be the charge minions.
its not insane at all, even against odd paladin mill rogue is good into against board centric like the other guy said. its mostly bad into aggro decks that directly hit face like pirate warrior especially since their cannon minions pierce cloak of shadows
This is how I start my day off... While brewing some coffee I manage to get in a few mill rogue games. Ya know, chillin like a villain, making some one's day worse. Can't hit what you cant see fools
@@toomuchd0g if you play a more control deck style id reccomend tech'ing in dirty rats or a heckle bot and a dirty rat if you play highlander, counters most combo decks and mill cause they all use the same murloc to mill. just make sure you kill it the same turn you pull them otherwise they can bounce it back to hand.
I would love to play those two you mention but I can't afford %90 of Roffle's decks so this one is actually a lot cheaper. It can even be considered budget priest killer
thats cuz he briefly (very briefly) hit the valeera portrait, making the computer think he wanted to attack, and when you attack the taunt minions get highlighted (which is what you saw). You can actually hear valeera say 'sign of death' or whatever the line is, which is what she says when you make her attack.
honestly i would have liked to see the match unfold. roffle didnt had any other way to fill his deck so he would be taking dmg from the enemy minions and from the fatigue as well, im not sure it was 100% win
@@嗯嗯嗯-w7t im talking about the fact that his only play was to draw more cards with coldlight, while still taking dmg from the pirate warrior. there was no card left to put back into the deck. go watch it again
As a Mill Rogue player, and viewer of all your videos- these were some of the most satisfying Hearth games I've seen in a while. Thanks for doing what you do Roffle. Keep creating bro. (I personally like Mill Rogue with Nzoth/defenders as a back up win con, but this version looks like a blast)
I love this deck is fun and basically destroys combos for the opponent, only thing this deck is missing ( for me atleast ) was battlecries trigger twice, i get to the point where he has no cards left on his deck but im low health and out of spells to survive longer or my cost 1 cards to gain armor+heal, the on budget dust option is " Spirit of the Shark " rare card. ( double battlecries + it has stealth for 1 turn so you can play it 1 turn before you start to play oracle specially with Hollow Valeera and her pasive power you can play 2 Oracles and draw 8 cards to completely destroy his deck then fix your deck with Lab Recruiter 6 free cards so you don't fatigue ). The " i been playing HS everyday since 2014 option " is Brann Bronzebeard, doesn't have stealth but cost 3 instead of 4 like Spirit of the Shark the bad thing is you cant have 2 of these like Spirit of the Shark. If you want to add 2 Spirit of the Shark to this deck i removed Swindle and Murloc Tastyfin feel free to remove something different but i don't recommend to remove any of the 0 cost cards since they really help getting to late game same thing for the 1 Cost cards. Also one thing that has changed in the deck after all these months i believe is just " Cloak of Shadows " used to cost 3 now 4 not that big of a deal in my opinion. The updated version of this deck is here ---> ua-cam.com/video/kFGdG_h1NO0/v-deo.html ( video of mr roffle too, no spam here ). If you enjoy playing Rogue and specially hearthstone for fun I recommend a Pogo-Hopper deck since it uses some of the cards shown on this video, deck is kind of old but fun, im sure there is a more updated version of a Pogo-Hopper deck but I use old cards for the deck and it works perfectly.
It's like losing to vaporize/potion of poly. Take comfort in the fact that the opponent has surely lost multiple games because of drawing a useless card. Granted it's probably less punishing in this deck, but secret mage also has ridiculous card draw, so idk.
Would it be ok to swap either mixtures or shard for murloc vendor? Edit: what about doomsayer? It makes post vanish easier or just plus 7 hp in early game
You know there's a neutral card that can make you immune on your turn so you don't have to take damage as your opponent Will from The Thing so long as that minion is on the field I believe it's from The Frozen Throne I just can't remember the card name kinda reminds me of a purple spider or something like that what the cross between a squid sort of
Violet illusionist A 3 mana 4/3 that says “During this turn your hero is immune.” and she is indeed dressed in lots of purple, but she’s a humanoid from one night in Karazhan. I played her a lot in the Kobolds and Catacombs solo adventure.
I think Valera is a keycard in this deck, in the video I can’t think of any card does the same thing, extra turn+copy is just so perfect. (But I haven’t use it in any other deck for ages)
With deathlords? I guess they compensate for slowing you down against aggro, but in general you don't want cards that cost more than 2 in a deck that intends to draw an obscene number of cards (and wins by doing so).
Hey can somone explain fatigue more clearly the formula (N)(N+1)/2 doesn't make sense to me isn't it supposed to be (N) + (N+1)/2 instead of (N)x(N+1)/2 ?
If they draw 5 fatigue cards, its 1+2+3+4+5 damage, or 15 damage. (5)*(6)/2 is 15. You can think of it this way: for even numbers of cards drawn, ex: 1+2+3+4, there are pairs of 5 damage (4+1, 3+2), and there are 2 pairs, so its (n+1)*n/2. For odd numbers of cards drawn, the 5 card example, there are pairs of 6 damage, but there is one 3 left over, so 2 and a half pairs, so its still (n+1)*n/2.
deathlord is really ok, because it is very good against aggro while synergising with the win condition, but dancing swords, no offense but seriously, it is severly outdated =)
I honestly wish this deck has never exist. Idespise ppl who are playing this deck the most of all. Even pirate warrior when he was at his peaked was less annoying. Dont even argue with that. You have nothing what could change my mind.
Bro.... do you have an issue or what's wrong with Skyline Chili I know it's ohio-based I'm in Kentucky but I need a response back I have been enjoying her videos but that triggered me so I would respect comment back to say it was a joke please and thank you.
Apparently a lot of people didn't know about "the sum first N natural numbers" thing.
For the purpose of Hearthstone:
*Fatigue damage = {Draw × (draw+1)} / 2*
If opponent has no card in deck, and Roffle play 3 Coldlight Oracle, then they both draw 6 cards.
The damage would be
= {6×(6+1)}÷2
= (6×7)÷2
= 42÷2
= 21 damage.
I think you over estimate 99% of HS players. Why is there a treasure burried between the Draw and (draw+1) ? Yarrrr...
Wow beating a handbuff paladin with mill rogue is kind of insane
I mean, vanish is really good against them and so are the Stall cards in general, i dont think its a Bad matchup
It used to be hard matchup prior to cards like swindle, Cloak of Shadows and stuff, but now there is much breathing room till Valeera.
Actually the matchup against aggressive decks is not as bad as you may thing, as long as they are board centric. Against direct damage oriented aggro it is more complicated. In addition, while being quite aggressive, handbuff paladin does take a few turns to set up, so all this makes handbuff paladin not that terrible of a matchup for mill rogue.
The only concern should be the charge minions.
its not insane at all, even against odd paladin mill rogue is good into against board centric like the other guy said. its mostly bad into aggro decks that directly hit face like pirate warrior especially since their cannon minions pierce cloak of shadows
I mean mill rogue is a pretty big brain deck. He played that first game extremely well
4:18 "why is it always topdecked, never bottemdecked?" , little did he knew that bottemdecked would be added half a year lather with dredge, lol
Thanks roffle, everyone’s going to be playing mill rouge for the next week because of you
the best deck ever since knight of the frozen trone
Laughs in Standard
@@ardaoguzhan8181 i don't care if it lose, coldlight oracle will be forever in my heart
This is how I start my day off... While brewing some coffee I manage to get in a few mill rogue games. Ya know, chillin like a villain, making some one's day worse.
Can't hit what you cant see fools
✌🏽
Mechanic where you draw card from bottom of the deck is funny tbh.
pair it with Sphere and gg
@@ajkcool True, instead of drawing your card, you could send it to the bottom and then draw it
@@deadbolt3211 the ultimate mindgame
@@ajkcool LOL
Gwent.
Weird to see a no bran list lol but i guess its faster and the whole deck purpose is to survive until u have ur combo
Brann is too slow now imo
Yeah usually Roffle slaps Brann in every deck
‘Im gonna temp Bran here’
brann would be better replacement for DK. you can tempo play him or draw 8-12 card in one turn to finish the opponent
Read that as a "no brain list" and thought well yes, its obvious this is the best way building mill
For me you can never replace Valeere, the hollow, because to me her voicelines are simply 'lovely'.
Is HS queueing all Roffle fans with each other? Literally 3 hours now i only see mill rogue xD
yeah i was playing face hunter cause i qued into 2 mill rogues on my maly priest so i just tech'd in 2 flares and wiped the floor with them
For real it's so obnoxious. I don't play too much agro so I just get farmed :(
@@toomuchd0g if you play a more control deck style id reccomend tech'ing in dirty rats or a heckle bot and a dirty rat if you play highlander, counters most combo decks and mill cause they all use the same murloc to mill. just make sure you kill it the same turn you pull them otherwise they can bounce it back to hand.
I honestly want to play this deck just to make big priests suffer
It makes me wanna disenchant my wild priest legendary’s that r not in any good decks
Maybe play shaman with devolving missiles, hex and devolve for more suffering?
Play Roffle Ragnaros Druid Deck if you want to make Priests Suffer. ITs Beter
Play weasel priest lul
I would love to play those two you mention but I can't afford %90 of Roffle's decks so this one is actually a lot cheaper. It can even be considered budget priest killer
Mill rouge vs Big priest is how I start playing wild.... it was my revenge for so much frustration in standard : )
Roffle chat logic: "Why isn't Ice Fishing in this deck?" 🤡
I swear tho. His chat seems to be like 5 years late to the meta or straight up do not understand how wild works.
@@aidanpowers1063 Facts lmao
i never played wild before, can someone explain? i know ice fishing is smth with murlocs too
@@nweraaa Ice Fishing is a shaman card
@@LazyPandaBum ty
just want to say I need more of this deck, gonna sub and hope
26:35 did anybody else see a few of the enemy minions move?
thats cuz he briefly (very briefly) hit the valeera portrait, making the computer think he wanted to attack, and when you attack the taunt minions get highlighted (which is what you saw). You can actually hear valeera say 'sign of death' or whatever the line is, which is what she says when you make her attack.
It’s a good deck but it just needs more card draw.
My favourite deck since the beginning of hearthstone, sadly now there is no more mill rogue in standard
I just hit legend with this deck. I dropped counterfeit coins for gang ups instead though. Thanks man for this video!
Mill rogue: the only way for pirate warrior to reach fatigue.
honestly i would have liked to see the match unfold. roffle didnt had any other way to fill his deck so he would be taking dmg from the enemy minions and from the fatigue as well, im not sure it was 100% win
@@goncalovilhena2139you can put 6 cards back like before what are you talking about
@@嗯嗯嗯-w7t At 34:40 he used his last lab recruiter. He had no card remaining that shuffles stuff back into his deck.
@@嗯嗯嗯-w7t im talking about the fact that his only play was to draw more cards with coldlight, while still taking dmg from the pirate warrior. there was no card left to put back into the deck. go watch it again
As a Mill Rogue player, and viewer of all your videos- these were some of the most satisfying Hearth games I've seen in a while. Thanks for doing what you do Roffle. Keep creating bro.
(I personally like Mill Rogue with Nzoth/defenders as a back up win con, but this version looks like a blast)
Add Crystal Cave quest to this set up, remove both heal minions one for taunt heal quilboar and other for quest. 5/5 coldlight OP
That handbuff paladin made the wort trades turn after turn. Makes me sad to see someone get carried to diamond simply by their deck.
5:12 is where I was saying about if you had drawn first.. could have backstabbed and traded into charge minion so he didn't get it back
Comment on how I've gotten to gold for the first time in my life with roffle's cute warlock deck, soularium was worth the craft
Congrats!
@@Roffle thanks bro, I'm actually climbing for the first time in my life, It feels amazing, think I understand why people play secret mage now lol
How do you use the formula to calculate fatigue damage?
n*(2*d+n-1)/2
d: current fatigue damage
n: number of cards drawn
Lol, wouldn’t 5+6+7+8 etc be much easier than formula? I thought that’s quite intuitive
If the numbers are low enough then its worth it but a formula is handy in a situation they have an odd amount of health or shield
I look at the formula as follows: n = 2d + 1
where d = current fatigue damage
Now this is a deck with some chutzpah
that beard makin me feel somethin roffle
I love this deck is fun and basically destroys combos for the opponent, only thing this deck is missing ( for me atleast ) was battlecries trigger twice, i get to the point where he has no cards left on his deck but im low health and out of spells to survive longer or my cost 1 cards to gain armor+heal, the on budget dust option is " Spirit of the Shark " rare card. ( double battlecries + it has stealth for 1 turn so you can play it 1 turn before you start to play oracle specially with Hollow Valeera and her pasive power you can play 2 Oracles and draw 8 cards to completely destroy his deck then fix your deck with Lab Recruiter 6 free cards so you don't fatigue ). The " i been playing HS everyday since 2014 option " is Brann Bronzebeard, doesn't have stealth but cost 3 instead of 4 like Spirit of the Shark the bad thing is you cant have 2 of these like Spirit of the Shark.
If you want to add 2 Spirit of the Shark to this deck i removed Swindle and Murloc Tastyfin feel free to remove something different but i don't recommend to remove any of the 0 cost cards since they really help getting to late game same thing for the 1 Cost cards.
Also one thing that has changed in the deck after all these months i believe is just " Cloak of Shadows " used to cost 3 now 4 not that big of a deal in my opinion.
The updated version of this deck is here ---> ua-cam.com/video/kFGdG_h1NO0/v-deo.html ( video of mr roffle too, no spam here ).
If you enjoy playing Rogue and specially hearthstone for fun I recommend a Pogo-Hopper deck since it uses some of the cards shown on this video, deck is kind of old but fun, im sure there is a more updated version of a Pogo-Hopper deck but I use old cards for the deck and it works perfectly.
Matched into a Mill rogue mirror and got destroyed by Flik :(
It's like losing to vaporize/potion of poly. Take comfort in the fact that the opponent has surely lost multiple games because of drawing a useless card. Granted it's probably less punishing in this deck, but secret mage also has ridiculous card draw, so idk.
Oof
Is there any reason to not play secret passage? It seems like it would help you find your murlocks quicker
Mana. Plus you may not want to blow your load to early
i was watching your old mill deck's and BOOM new mill video
I was actually surprised to see this one having such a good winrate :)
also healbot in mill rogue is fun
21:39 The only deck I hate more than Big Priest is mill rogue, so in that only specific case, yes I feel sorry for the priest.
11:15 Coldlight Fatigue Formula:
(N×(N+1))÷2
What is N?
What do you think about the secret cheat death in this deck? not sure my self what i would replace, but i think it's a ok strong card
Seems too expensive but you'd probably get away with it, not horrible
Why is armor vendor so good? I thought giving your opponent armor was bad
Most late game decks don't care about giving 4 armor to the opponent, but they need that 4 armor to survive until late game.
How can i replace valeera?
Bran or spirit of the shark work ok
Would it be ok to swap either mixtures or shard for murloc vendor?
Edit: what about doomsayer? It makes post vanish easier or just plus 7 hp in early game
I have no plans to play mill rogue- roffle, during his spectral pillager otk deck stream last week
Any replacement for cold light oracle?
Milhouse
One mill, two mill, three mill. Mill everywhere
When you watch a roffle video and are reminded how to do summations. :0
i think brann is a good include because you have other battlecries to double up also
You gonna survive then think about extra value
Ahh but have you tried mill warlock? Now thats a great deck
Can it be crafted to advance in the ranks?
when calculating lethal with n x n + 1 : 2 - what is n?
@@robhendricks1823 got it, thanks mate!
Greetings, Roffle.
Hello Diego
You know there's a neutral card that can make you immune on your turn so you don't have to take damage as your opponent Will from The Thing so long as that minion is on the field I believe it's from The Frozen Throne I just can't remember the card name kinda reminds me of a purple spider or something like that what the cross between a squid sort of
Violet illusionist
A 3 mana 4/3 that says “During this turn your hero is immune.” and she is indeed dressed in lots of purple, but she’s a humanoid from one night in Karazhan.
I played her a lot in the Kobolds and Catacombs solo adventure.
What could you swap for valera, I'm not too into wild so I dont want to craft anything crazy
I think Valera is a keycard in this deck, in the video I can’t think of any card does the same thing, extra turn+copy is just so perfect. (But I haven’t use it in any other deck for ages)
Can confirm. I copied the deck code this afternoon and am 5-0 while doing errands.
I kinda expected to see Brann. Is it just too slow?
Never really understood how to play Mill rogue. How do you survive the early game?
you dont. Aggro decks smash mill rogue that is why it is not meta
I saw this video and thought MiniLadd was playing Hearthstone.
what about the N'zoth variant ? is it any good ?
With deathlords? I guess they compensate for slowing you down against aggro, but in general you don't want cards that cost more than 2 in a deck that intends to draw an obscene number of cards (and wins by doing so).
The deck i want to face, but watching big priest suffer is way more fun, and worth the time of such a glorious deck.
And you thought freeze mage was anoying 🤣
My jade druid loves farming mill rogues, too bad it's not meta.
Give me more!! Most enjoyable to watch
Good afternoon Roffle, hope you have a good day.
Thanks, Jakob. You too!
Watching this i want to start play wild
This deck is the best craft of my career
A random fact to please the algorithm overlords:
alalaavalavavalavavat = "lower lava platform oath fishing rods" in Finnish.
been trying this for 2.5 hours , didnt lose yet
Hey can somone explain fatigue more clearly the formula (N)(N+1)/2 doesn't make sense to me isn't it supposed to be (N) + (N+1)/2 instead of (N)x(N+1)/2 ?
If they draw 5 fatigue cards, its 1+2+3+4+5 damage, or 15 damage. (5)*(6)/2 is 15. You can think of it this way: for even numbers of cards drawn, ex: 1+2+3+4, there are pairs of 5 damage (4+1, 3+2), and there are 2 pairs, so its (n+1)*n/2. For odd numbers of cards drawn, the 5 card example, there are pairs of 6 damage, but there is one 3 left over, so 2 and a half pairs, so its still (n+1)*n/2.
So I'm gonna win every game if I use this deck?
If you play against me yes coz I just play meme or control decks and mill fking kills me.
i like deathlord and dancing swords in my mill rogue plus nzoth for finish
deathlord is really ok, because it is very good against aggro while synergising with the win condition, but dancing swords, no offense but seriously, it is severly outdated =)
Really don't get how Bran isn't in this deck, with pretty much every good card having battlecry, is it too slow?
whyd you make that wierd noise at 26:49
Thanks for the great content
Mill rouge’s are my absolute favorite deck
I'm rank 3 should be trying to hit legend instead I'm watching Roffle 🥴
no need Bran?
A deck without yogg? Who are you and what have you done with Roffle?
This deck hurts my soul
Hello roffle nice video :D
started playing this build and most players concede lol
can i play this without valeera?
Yeah you could run bran bronzebeard or spirit of the shark for a similar effect.
Hi roffle and chat
Hi Matheus
I miss this deck ;(
no brann?
Wait a minute.. you aren’t Dane 🧐
how can you win? I try to play with this deck, but it didn't work. 0% win rate
I vs someone with this deck and crushed them with control mage
I liked this video and even left a comment on it.
At 5:31 your ass was dead lol lucky u lol
Roffle Your Ragnaros Druid Deck is WAY Better then this Mill Rouge Deck. I try the Mill deck it was just way to slow.
It's not a real *Mil* deck, if there is no Milhouse
Vanish is so good
Yeees it's my favorite deck!
Why is the facecam so big?
Imho the most fun mill deck is nzoth mill rogue
why opponent is they?
I remember facing this guy on ladder and i won against him just by a bit. Mage is unstoppable in wild
I hate playing against mill rogue. Especially N'Zoth mill rogue. I just concede after Sludge Belcher
Fuck it i'm crafting this
Even if it takes my whole collection
@Tal rasha no. I'm actually having a lot fun burning my opponent's deck and destroying them :)
I honestly wish this deck has never exist. Idespise ppl who are playing this deck the most of all. Even pirate warrior when he was at his peaked was less annoying.
Dont even argue with that. You have nothing what could change my mind.
Thats why we play it so you get salty.
No Brann... :(
Hi!
Hello!
Bro.... do you have an issue or what's wrong with Skyline Chili I know it's ohio-based I'm in Kentucky but I need a response back I have been enjoying her videos but that triggered me so I would respect comment back to say it was a joke please and thank you.
Kewl deck