A different approach to dust collection
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Building another mini dust collector.
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My current thinking is that this is a much more convenient approach to automatic dust collection than trying to build something with automated power control and automated blast gates. - Навчання та стиль
I love how you clean your dust collector filter with another dust collector
its the big one that goes trough like a super big container remember ^^ but still funny ^^
JackHog123
Filterception
I thought the same thing LOL !!!
Think that if he collected the dust from the filter with that same dust collector what he cleaned.
I love the fact that your shop is in constant evolution. Seems like a smaller dust collector for each machine makes more sense since it takes less space and is more convenient to use. Keep up the great content!
Just came back after I've built the same dust collector for my sanding machines with a small blower fan. It just works, quiet and efficient. I think this video and approach is just amazing. Thanks.
Thanks for promoting my filters, nothing gets past a Garrison.
You saw the chance and you took it.
Lol!!
I love the editing in your videos. So fast paced! Never a dull moment.
I like it even more when the trend on UA-cam is to dilute the content to reach 10:01 ..
You should get rid of them, they're just sitting there collecting dust...
This is one of the funnier comments ever
Turn them into speaker enclosures
lol that's actually so funny
Owo 😂
Thats the entire point!!!
Dear Matthias Wandel, You always manage to put a smile on my face, no matter how many times I review your good works, and educating videos. THANX!
Your dust collection videos are a great use of UA-cam, sourcing your fan base for working on everybody's health. Thanks for the community effort!
I've been driving myself mad with my dust problem, no collection yet, or time to woodwork but I've been thinking about it a lot. This set up(one at every tool), and then once in a while going thru all of them with a shop vac and cyclone is probably going to work out perfect for my spare time woodworking endeavours. Thank you!
Now to figure out the lathe dust...
You've always impressed me Matthias, I don't think I've seen anyone as dedicated to good dust collection as you are. It's pretty neat!
Great idea. I used to have a long 150 foot garden hose. Now I have 3 40 foot hoses. Saves so much time dragging it around.
Simple, easy, practical with data to back the results. And as usual, cost effective. Channel should be named " Woodworking with Engineers ". Great video as always.
I'm impressed. Folding the filter was creative. I also like the use of the particle meter to measure results. I am now subscribed!
For some reason the fans and dust collectors you make are very satisfying to me.
Great idea. I did something similar in my old shop. Table saw on one, Miter Saw on another, and everything else used a modified bucket collector. It worked really great, and I avoided having ducting everywhere with blast gates to play with.
I used to watch your channel and I lost my device to water damage. I stumbled onto this podcast and I’m am so glad I did.
I’ll get my subscription in and never wander off again. Promise!
Splendid video! I really appreciate watching you build small things in a simple cost effective way! Inspires me every time to do it myself! You have a peculiar way to look at things that seems so simple yet effective! Talking of which I don't seem to have a dust collector! Gonna get right to it!
I'm always amazed at the little nuanced design decisions Mattias see and solves to make a really nice piece of hardware.
you should put lexan covers on them so you can see when the filters are getting full
Wow, I was thinking of making one of these today then saw this comment. I have some extra lexan that's been sitting around forever. Doing this for sure now
I must built one of them. You always are a big source of inspiration. Thank you!
I like that you give an update after
The projects were put to use! Excellent job!
Love your DIY videos mate! I like to watch them while eating. It pleases me very much. Thanks!
Being subscribed means that you get to see the video on the same day that it was posted and by the time you watch it it has 50,000 views. Wandel.. the Coolest woodworking nerd the planet has created thus far.
Really good work on that lid, I don't know why but I find that lid awesome, the way it fits perfect
Great video! I think this especially makes sense for the tools like sanders that only create fine dust. No need for a huge dust collector when something like this will do the job just fine.
I really like watching you make these mini dust collectors!
I like your approach to things better than all the other wood workers I watch.
Just discovered your channel, very cool. I especially like the fast forwardy bits.
Interesting indeed! The concept of a dedicated dust collector at the point of generation has always intrigued me. But never thought it would work well. Yours appears to do fine. Thanks!
Just ran across your channel. Love the idea of decentralized dust collection. Much simpler and probably less power over time. Kepp broadcasting!!
I have the same planer. I just fit some 4" PVC pipe to the dust port and route it into a large garbage can. I bungee some geotextile (nonwoven filter fabric) over the top. It collects all the chips and dust no problem.
Wonderful use of shop tools as always Mathew, thanks for the inspiration ...
thanks for posting these "experiment" videos as opposed to a simple "how to" -- it's much greater learning why certain things are done -- very cool!!
Good work man! You're an inspiration for us guys who live in the city who don't have room for a workshop or a shed :)
I've always wondered about the idea of makchining my own air blowers out of metal, but I've never thought of using wood, I never would have thought of it as a good material to make one out of until seeing your videos, you've made a couple of them and they seem to really work well.
In a related story, the marketing team for Garrison's filters is said to still be celebrating with cocaine and strippers to this day.
I other news, twelve 3M engineers have been found dead in a dilapidated factory, having committed seppuku.
lawling pretty heartily.
Ironic, since they are shorting a fine powder up their nose.
What? Where? Strippers in dust?
That is a really interesting approach to dust collection.
I had this same thought a few years ago and always wondered if it would work (never followed through on it though because I couldn't find a cheap enough blower). Thanks for proving that it does! I never thought to use blower motors from a water heater...brilliant!
you are awesome Mathias. I really appreciate your methods of investigating stuff.
Wow, I have been watching your videos for a while now. and I really liked this one, very innovative, a lot of cool efficient ideas into that dust collector. I like the background and the reason why for the project.
Very nice work. Very professionally done.
Also enjoy your FF editing when showing the labor (sawing, drilling, etc.). Makes for a very enjoyable watch. We can see how you did the work (laying out, transferring, etc.) without watching paint dry. (c;
And they're quieter, and more energy efficient also, I would imagine. Nice work!
Inimbrium that was my first reaction. Quieter!
those high dollar air filters cause my A.C motor to get hot .hard to pull air thru ...man you are great at making this stuff .and i copy every thing i can from you .i have emphysema had to retire need the clean air ..keep it up please my wood shop is going to look great and clean air ..all because of you
Love the plans, thanks for doing the measurements in English :-)
The idea for one on each tool is really cool !!
I love your videos Mattias, I wish I had half of your skill and a quarter of your tools. With these filters that you have made I don't understand why you don't have the suction at the top. Having the vanes of the filters running horizontaly or even diagonally (A frame) would leave shelves for the dust to build up on. If the filter was mounted in the ceiling of the box and suction at the top, the dust has little to settle on on the filter. Position the inlet maybe 1/3 to 1/2 way up the filter box and have a hopper below. Once a buildup of dust reaces a critical point, the weight of it would drop clumps of dust back down into your hopper. In effect this would self clean the filter to a large degree, you would only have to empty your hopper and clean off the finer particles from time to time. I look forward to more of your videos and your thoughts.
I think I saw this video years ago, but at the time, I lived in a place that had a 4-car garage. So space was less of an issue at the time. My current workshop is much smaller and it would be really nice to not have duct work all over and a dust collector as well. So I think I'll give this a go for my compound miter saw and see how it goes. Thanks Matthias!
I think several small collectors is a great idea. Your results validate the concept. I too dislike a larger system's infrastructure.
And people upgrade from little ones to big ones all the time. Just watch your local classifieds. I paid $30 for my 1HP and $50 for my 2HP, both Harbor Freight models (well regarded) in like new condition.
I agree, I like this idea too, great work Matthias
A disadvantage is that each collector has to be emptied individually, multiplying the work involved in an already set-up system.
I would much prefer to empty a small one as needed than a large one basically ever.
No John. It isn't. When you factor in all the tubing that has to be cleaned in a central system you have much less work with individual boxes. Plus , every time you add a bend in the collection tube you lose efficiency and the same is true with the longer the run. So, you are wrong about everything. CONGRATULATIONS
I have made one of these dust collectors for my radial arm saw and it works awesome!
I'm building something similar with my table saw/router table now. I'm going to try using a power duct fan good for 220cfm. Hopefully it does the trick! Great build again!
this channel is my happy place
That looks promising Matthias, thanks for sharing!
Excellent. I headed the same way for my new shop six months ago but totally missed the idea of folding the filters - Brilliant!!! The Inducer wheel impeller is much more efficient and meets all of my needs including a CNC router. The other great thing about your design is that the box can be sized and flipped horizontally and vertically as needed. Air molecules don't mind.
Actually, folding the filters turned out to be a bad idea.
this dude never ceases to amaze me!
That would be great for my shop. It's very small. Perfect! I can tell you like the creative process.
Nicely done, tnx Mr. Wandel for sharing it!!!
Your woodworking skills leave everybody else in the dust !
great idea ,, i have a area in my shop where running dust extraction to is not practical from the main shop area,,, due to walls and beams ,,,, been making due with shop vac, lol but is a pain in the back side ,,,, but this could be a very cheap and very quiet alternative , , tks for the RnD on things like this ,,, keep up the great work
Your lunacy is so practical.
Really, really, really like these Matthias. Thank you.
I like the way you speed up your videos , if I have to watch someone on standard time drive in all the screws, tighten all the bolts etc. , I go on to the next video .
fantastic, thanks for taking the time to share you experience with us.
Why were you in a hurry when you got the blower?
Did you find it before anybody lost it ;-)
I wasn't the one to extract it
I think you're right Matthias. I was going to wire up blast gates and current sensing modules all over the shop. Now I think I'll just have a separate dust collector for each machine. Cheers
I like this idea and have been working on some similar ideas with all of the vacuum cleaners I find in the trash.
Please post a video if you get it to work.
Denny Bartley I have a video on my channel .where I started last winter but I haven't had a chance to work on it anymore. But it is something that needs to be done.
actually ive been making two bucket cyclones with old vacuum cleaner motors for quite a awhile i have three of them. One hooked up to table saw, one on planer and another i use for pulling mouse nests out of cars(dont ask it really stinks up a regular shop vac)
Royal/dirt devil vacuums have a flange on the motor that fits the cone shaped filter from same vacuum perfectly.
Jacilynn S are the cyclones homemade or store bought ?
Its a modified version of Mattias's own two bucket cyclone. I just mount the vacuum motor right on top with the filter sticking down in the middle.
Another good one Matthias. Thanks for the inspiration!
I like the idea, my only criticism is that now you have half a dozen dust collectors to empty instead of one. I think its a good system though because you do save so much money, time and effort not having to deal with the ducting.
really nice work and nicely executed video dude .... many thanks and greetings from downunder
I like it. The redundancy is nice; if one machine's collector breaks down, you can borrow from one of the others in the shop.
Great idea. The hassle of a single large dust collection system has always prevented me from going that route. Putting one on each machine is great cause you can move the tool to accommodate any work without having to worry about moving the collection lines also.
Loving this idea! And with your permission going to use it in my workshop too. The only problem I have is finding a good source for all the electrical parts.
Goodwill / Salvation Army type of stores is my thought
Those blowers are quite expensive new. I got mine used from a guy who installs furnaces and water heaters.
i love watching people work on projects when i am indoors relaxing
really good idea. As soon as you painted them green im hitting the like button :P
Great vid as always Matthias, seems like they are cheap and easy to build for each tool in your shop. Makes sense to do that rather than that ducting and gates all over the place. Good stuff.
only if you can get the blowers cheap. If you have to buy these small blowers new, they are quite expensive!
Fantastic Video. Keep up the great work. Nick.
dude the stuff you make is dope asf keep it up
very cool. i am building one for my belt sander right now. thanks for inspiration
I've been doing something similar with those cheap little shop vacs + a cyclone/thien baffle. I like your solution better; more airflow, larger capacity and much quieter too!
I like your idea and it seems to be a quieter solution as well.
I love how compact these are. Personally I think I'd like a huge dust collector with ductwork running to each machine in my shop someday, but think is certainly a good alternative.
Now you got me thinking. I may build a small one for my scroll saw. Great idea.
A true craftsman! Well done!
Get a Dust Deputy; I have one connected to my CNC router and love it. The DD bin will be full in a few weeks but the vacuum's filter and container are still clean and empty.
nice work Mathias... will give it some thought for my shop!
4:03 damn thats such a great detail, made with a perfectionist mindset. I salute you!
"I like the idea of a small dust collector so i added one to my kitchen"
It seems unnecessary to use two identical filters. I could be wrong, but to me this is a little like stacking two identical spaghetti strainers on top of each other. Any particle that’s small enough to pass through the first strainer will also pass thought the second strainer. To improve your dust collector, would it make sense to try using two non-identical filters? (That is, filters that are designed to catch different sized particles.) Anyway, thanks for the vid. Enjoyed it as usual.
Correct. If both filters are the same micron count most of the stuff that makes it through the first one can make it through the 2nd filter. Infact all a 2nd filter really does is restrict airflow so its actually hurting the dust collecting process.
I agree. If you are going to use two filters use the cheap one to protect the more expensive one.
Technically, You're not even wrong. Filters like these (MERV 8) are not like a strainer, the analogy is close, but incorrect. If you look into their ratings, they are capable of capturing the particles all the way down to 3 microns, and they are rated according to their efficiency at doing so. If the cheapest filter has a 70% efficiency at 3 microns, and the second one 70% also, it adds up to more 3 micron particles collected with two filters than one. 70% at 3 and 90% at 10 microns, doesn't mean 0% at lower particle sizes also. And... even with a spaghetti strainer, stacking two means statistically less noodles going through.
@@rolfbjorn9937 Agreed - for the math-inclined, 2 filters with 70% efficiency acting in series _should_ net you ~90% total (30% of inflow makes it through the first, 30% of that makes it through the second --> 9% total passed, or 91%). Makes me wonder if there's some value to stacking my higher-MERV filters...
Brilliant work i love this idea and many others of yours
Awesome video...l laughed so hard at the sped up parts...like yourself I like tinkering in my shop to improve things...almost 90% percent of the time... I'll probably build the collectors too
When I build my own Mini DCs they will have windows installed, so I can see at a glance if they need emptying/cleaning.
Brilliant, Matthias. I think my big shop dust collector will soon become dedicated to just the cnc.
I love it! Thanks for sharing such an in depth video. One suggestion after seeing someones build of a grinding table dust collector. Would be to have a good chunk of the cavity for large heavy particles to just settle at the bottom of an initial collection area taking a good work load off the filter, and eazer clean up. So a large box cavity, maby baffles before the filter. Or one of those vortex 5 gallon bucket tops before your existing filter box's. =)
I was about to say similar things but you also Added a bunch of things that I didn’t even think of nice
Very interesting I'm in need of dust control in my shop and like the idea of individual units for each machine
Wow. At 3:48 I feel like a fool for not realizing the end of a caliper can be used to measure too. Thank you!
Jack yep works great as a depth guage for measuring mortices or bolt holes
Hi just want to say I enjoy more watching you doing wood than the tractor
I have a portable dust collector on wheels that I connected to the bottom of my table saw. (built a box beneath it to contain the vacuum.) That takes care of the majority of the sawdust. But for the remaining what I do is to directly connect a small shop van and have the business end of the hose hovering just above where the blade meets the wood. I took an arm from an old arm lamp and use that as a convenient holder for the collection hose. The combination works great. And I think I save a step as any residual dust goes straight into the shop vac.
Great idea. Thanks for the video. I'll have to try this.
I love your precision
Very creative dude! Thanks for sharing
I have an old powermatic disc/belt sander that has a belt driven blower underneath/ a switch to toggle belt or disc and a filter bag. Came this way from the factory.
I had the same feelings re a whole shop dust collector vice individual dust collector at each power tool, particularly those which generate large volumes of dust. However my approach is to use small shop vacs connected to relay switch that has a built in time delay when stopping. It's a tad expensive but I don't have the resources to look for blowers at flea markets, garage sales and dumpsters. However Mathias' approach and design are very entertaining.