The only reason Jordan wasn't first in elimination or game 7 scoring titles was because he hardly went to elimination games or game 7s That's just hilarious to me😂
@@TheHaas123 yea in the finals he never did but in the earlier rounds he did. From the top of my head, he had one vs NYK in 93, Detroit in 1990, Indy in 98.
Curry’s an amazing player and is top 10-15 player all time which is incredible but top 5 is a lil high! MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt, Shaq, Bird, Tim Duncan, Kobe! he’s not higher all time than any of those guys! There’s no argument to prove that he is!
You know, if a guy disappears a few times on the big stage, he kind of earns the choker moniker. Lebron certainly had his share of disappearances and so on. So if Lebron choked in big moments and got called for it, then I don’t see why Stef legitimately shouldn’t have that moniker either. Just because he has one great game doesn’t mysteriously erase history. He proved he can also show up as well. I think many are being prisoners of the moment and saying some crazy stuff about his all time status. He is one of the greatest PG’s no question. Probably is the best pure shooter of all time and he should be easy top ten.
@@PK5_144 when I mentioned the “one big game” I was referring to his 1 50pt playoff outburst that had a bunch of casuals and media shills claiming that a chip puts him in the goat convo. It’s ridiculous that one game and far less dominance than MJ put players nowadays in goat convos lol. Ridiculous. That’s what I was referring to. It’s acdebate if he is even in top ten so no chance for goat. Lebron in top five - ten but he not goat either. So how Stef going to pass Lebron and be in goat convo after 1 huge playoff game? He still allowed ref calls to take him out of his game yet again, like in 2016. He should have done what Jokic and team did when the refs tried to help lakers out for 4 games. Just be relentless. Don’t give any quarter. Love Stef but let’s be real here.
I swear Steph could drop another 50 points in Game 7 of the Finals, hit 94% of his FGs while just missing 1 shot from the freethrow line down the stretch, win the game by 3 points, and Skip will still find something to complain about.
Lololololoolololol. It’s already Stefs decade, not Lebrons. Stef has a dominant winning record against Lebron. Like Russell over Wilt. They need to stop with fake Lebron vs Jordan nonsense. It should be Lebron vs Stef, Kobe, Duncan, Magic etc. Stef created a dynasty on Lebrons watch. LBJ never got a dynasty and he played for stats. Stef is goat of this era, but he faaaaaaar from stepping to Jordan.
Whats more accurate to say is that he finally overcame it like what we say with harden last night. Both of those guys had huge playoff performances but they both have had very questionable playoff performances in the past
Magic could play positions 1-5, in a faster and more physical era, and facilitated one of the best and most efficient offenses the league has ever seen while doubling assist almost every single game he played. Only rivaled by Zeke, who was selfless and also facilitated games on the same level as Magic. Magic would cook Steph in either the paint or perimeter Medium rare, Steph also needs to prove his worth Against zeke, a far superior Perimeter defender with better handles and higher Basketball IQ, while still remaining a dagger shooter and not far off from Steph in terms of scoring, where only Steph is better at the 3 point line.
Warriors roster is not so good right now compared to last year & more inconsistent compared from the 2015 - 2019 GS dynasty era.....while Lakers right now looks stronger than ever before, compared to the last 3 years of being a disaster team. So I think it will be an equal match-up for Curry & Lebron that will surely carry each of their respective teams.
I'll say this as a person whos watched the Warriors from 2014 til now from the dynasty days, to winning just 15 games in 2020, and losing in heartbreaking fashion in the 2021 play-in, and last year winning the most toughest and important championship in this run. You would think especially after last year people like Skip wouldn't try to push a Steph isnt clutch narrative did he not watch Game 4 of the 2022 Finals? I'll take that performance over that game 7 against the Kings. After last years title as a realistic Warriors fan last year title was good for me 4 titles in 8 years is legendary long as they are in the conversation for one and play hard every season as we go on I'm good. I dont panic the only time i have is Game 6 2016. Like Steph says he doesn't have to prove himself to anyone but he can improve and get better. Skips hate comes from he hate of Bron for that 2016 title which gave Bron fans reason to put him over Jordan and Skip doesn't like that & he helped recruit KD(who wouldn't) that was it for Skip in his love for Steph he had in 2015 & 2016.
Steph is obviously and all time great and playing well but saying that he’s “35 and still getting better” is pretty irrelevant in this era. The advancements in training, nutrition, supplements, gear, and performance enhancing drugs allows these guys to play much longer. Plus there’s more time between games, and the game is less physical. Significantly less physical than it was when Steph first got into the league. He’s amazing to watch and he’d be great in any era, but this year has been the craziest scoring season ever. The game is built for perimeter players to dominate. No physicality, allowed to travel and carry every possession, etc.. still amazing and can’t wait to watch him but we have to take this into consideration when we talk about all time status
To be fair, if there is any player in NBA history you should never factor in their short career, it's Magic Johnson. He didn't want to retire, it was basically forced since he was HIV positive
Magic won the finals mvp when he was a rookie. It took Steph years to develop into a star. Also magic was still playing at a high level when he was forced to retire so we don’t know where he’d be if he was able to play for longer. He was forced to retire because of his HIV diagnosis. I mean he went to 9 finals in 11 seasons. I can’t ever put him over magic but he’s up there at least. Again, this era is built for Steph to dominate. It’s the easiest era ever to score. I do have him over Isaiah Thomas though, even though zeke would dominate this era
I don't think it's the worst narrative. The fact is he did choke a 3-1 lead and almost choked a 1-3 deficit the WCF before that series. His stats don't paint the perfect picture of a choker, but for his level there's been many series since the Warriors blew up that Curry wasn't the same regular season Curry. That's okay. Narratives change. Unlike someone like Dirk who was a huge choker before changing his narrative in a big way, Curry is one of those guys who is kind of hit or miss but he's expected to be other worldly. He may have some choke games in this series vs the Lakers, like he did against the Kings but he'll also have clutch moments. He's an all time great. They're NOT perfect and they're not the GOAT and that's okay.
The thunder were actually up 3-1 in the wcf but they blew it. Why don't people talk about that when it comes to kd ? Plus he shot horrible in game 5&6 costing his team
Curry playing well in playoff games is not what we mean by “clutch”. We’re talking about him coming up short every single time he is burdened with making plays that decide the outcome of the game. For the first three rounds in a series, sure, give me curry, but end of a big game? Score close? He’s one of the last players in the league I would want deciding the game for me.
I really want one more for Steph and these Warriors. Just one more to cement the greatness and influence the Steph dynasty has meant for posterity in NBA history. The comparison with Magic is legit. I've been watching NBA since the late 80s and they both probably share my #1 spot for PG and also for the two players I've ever had the most fun watching, the true meaning of showtime, while also being legit and efficient all-time greats.
How is what Bayless saying incorrect? He even gave examples. Steph scoring 50 pts in game 7 is not what Skip is talking about. You don’t use the same objectivity that you use with the MJ vs Bron debate. You are flawless with that one. Skip is simply talking about when he needs one or two shots in the clutch to win the game. You are just rambling about what he did overall. Overall, yes, he is clutch when you count what he did, but this isn’t what Skip is talking about, so you are now resorting to the same logic what is used to say Bron is the Goat: overall. I know you understand what Skip is talking about.
My argument for this is that, yes, Steph chokes, but it's because he doesn't have enough close games to be familiar with that kind of pressure and situation. I would rather have games that aren't close so much that having to be clutch within 1-3 points gap constantly.
@@fobinc , I agree with your assessment. I just feel like Uncut Hoops totally understands what Bayless and others are saying, but it seems that he doesn’t want to upset everyone, so he changes the narrative a little bit, but if this was the MJ vs Bron debate, he would be more objective. Steph is my favorite player of this generation, so I’m not hating on him. I’m just being objective, and I wish Uncut Hooos would do the same on this topic as well.
Magic is the greatest PG ever but Curry is the greatest athlete playing as a PG. but you really can’t compare cause both athletes play differently and Curry to me is more of a SG than PG. 🤷🏿♂️
Curry is not Clutch he is 0-12 on potential game winning shots with 45 seconds or less left, how can you not figure out what that means. All the shots shown in your video are when they are leading double digits and it literally doesn't matter if he misses.
cording to ESPN stats when Steph vs Lbj...Steph is DONIMATE......3out of th 4 games Steph wins....you cannot be the goat lbj (you are not anyway) when loose to this guy o the way to championships...steph has won 4 "REAL Championships" LBJ has only 3 real ones!...again....can never be the Goat
The only reason Jordan wasn't first in elimination or game 7 scoring titles was because he hardly went to elimination games or game 7s
That's just hilarious to me😂
It’s crazy right, I think he only had about 4-5 game 7’s in 179 playoff games.
I was thinking that he wouldn’t even be on the list at all lol
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx he never had a game 7 iirc
@@TheHaas123 yea in the finals he never did but in the earlier rounds he did. From the top of my head, he had one vs NYK in 93, Detroit in 1990, Indy in 98.
@@eazyduzit-tr3nx curry has 5 game 7’s in 140 games, mj has 3 in 180 games, how’s that any different ?
They’ll never stop disrespecting this man so he gotta show and remind them every season. He’s top 5 and 35. Talk about longevity?
Curry’s an amazing player and is top 10-15 player all time which is incredible but top 5 is a lil high! MJ, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Wilt, Shaq, Bird, Tim Duncan, Kobe! he’s not higher all time than any of those guys! There’s no argument to prove that he is!
@@DMitch-ny3jb I'll also include russell
@@DMitch-ny3jb I meant top 5 in the league big bro. That’s on me my fault🙏
@@momo01243 no worries man but yeah you’re right about that I think Curry’s still a top 5 player in the league right now at 35!
@@DMitch-ny3jb I think an argument could be made for Steph top 10. But agree he’s definitely not top 5 at the moment. 👍👍
Curry will likely play 5 seasons and retire with 6 rings
Likey?
I'll say 3 more years with 5 rings
I would say possibly, likely is a big stretch though.
You know, if a guy disappears a few times on the big stage, he kind of earns the choker moniker. Lebron certainly had his share of disappearances and so on. So if Lebron choked in big moments and got called for it, then I don’t see why Stef legitimately shouldn’t have that moniker either. Just because he has one great game doesn’t mysteriously erase history.
He proved he can also show up as well. I think many are being prisoners of the moment and saying some crazy stuff about his all time status.
He is one of the greatest PG’s no question. Probably is the best pure shooter of all time and he should be easy top ten.
I just want Curry to hit the 5 ring club so we can this decade's version of Shaq and Kobe arguments lol.
It’s not just one big game bro
@@PK5_144 when I mentioned the “one big game” I was referring to his 1 50pt playoff outburst that had a bunch of casuals and media shills claiming that a chip puts him in the goat convo. It’s ridiculous that one game and far less dominance than MJ put players nowadays in goat convos lol. Ridiculous. That’s what I was referring to. It’s acdebate if he is even in top ten so no chance for goat. Lebron in top five - ten but he not goat either. So how Stef going to pass Lebron and be in goat convo after 1 huge playoff game? He still allowed ref calls to take him out of his game yet again, like in 2016. He should have done what Jokic and team did when the refs tried to help lakers out for 4 games. Just be relentless. Don’t give any quarter.
Love Stef but let’s be real here.
If the NBA cheats Steph this series and rigs it to puts this Lakers team in the finals. Im done watching the NBA.
Ahh yes, The NBA rigged the Heat beating the Bucks too huh?
If they rig one series then there all rigged
No one was talking abt the lakers, you just love to get on lebron’s meat 😂😂
Stupid comment. Nothing is rigged. A player has pride. Deep down every kid wants to win.
@@KyprosEc you people are so blind it's been rigged for decades
In Wardell We trust
I swear Steph could drop another 50 points in Game 7 of the Finals, hit 94% of his FGs while just missing 1 shot from the freethrow line down the stretch, win the game by 3 points, and Skip will still find something to complain about.
Well what's done is done
skip will never forgive curry for blowing the 3-1 lead in the finals against lebron.
Curry in the goat conversation if he wins one more ring 💯
Top 5 Bonafide, but dk about goat
def not goat, but another ring could just be what he needs to be the greatest point guard of all time
Not GOAT, but you can seriously discuss Steph surpassing LBJ, if this happens.
Lololololoolololol. It’s already Stefs decade, not Lebrons. Stef has a dominant winning record against Lebron. Like Russell over Wilt. They need to stop with fake Lebron vs Jordan nonsense. It should be Lebron vs Stef, Kobe, Duncan, Magic etc. Stef created a dynasty on Lebrons watch. LBJ never got a dynasty and he played for stats. Stef is goat of this era, but he faaaaaaar from stepping to Jordan.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Whats more accurate to say is that he finally overcame it like what we say with harden last night. Both of those guys had huge playoff performances but they both have had very questionable playoff performances in the past
Harden has had individual games here and there where he had bad games but he hasn’t choked a series, and neither has curry.
All I know is he better step it up at the free throw line 😂
Why don't we just cut bull crap. Steph would cook magic.
No he wouldnt lol. Magic would cook curry and have no match against him. He was 6"9. Dude was giving Jordan problems in the post in the 91 finals
Magic could play positions 1-5, in a faster and more physical era, and facilitated one of the best and most efficient offenses the league has ever seen while doubling assist almost every single game he played. Only rivaled by Zeke, who was selfless and also facilitated games on the same level as Magic.
Magic would cook Steph in either the paint or perimeter Medium rare, Steph also needs to prove his worth Against zeke, a far superior Perimeter defender with better handles and higher Basketball IQ, while still remaining a dagger shooter and not far off from Steph in terms of scoring, where only Steph is better at the 3 point line.
Curry is prolific and almost unstoppable.
Warriors roster is not so good right now compared to last year & more inconsistent compared from the 2015 - 2019 GS dynasty era.....while Lakers right now looks stronger than ever before, compared to the last 3 years of being a disaster team. So I think it will be an equal match-up for Curry & Lebron that will surely carry each of their respective teams.
Warriors look better all around to me
I'll say this as a person whos watched the Warriors from 2014 til now from the dynasty days, to winning just 15 games in 2020, and losing in heartbreaking fashion in the 2021 play-in, and last year winning the most toughest and important championship in this run. You would think especially after last year people like Skip wouldn't try to push a Steph isnt clutch narrative did he not watch Game 4 of the 2022 Finals? I'll take that performance over that game 7 against the Kings. After last years title as a realistic Warriors fan last year title was good for me 4 titles in 8 years is legendary long as they are in the conversation for one and play hard every season as we go on I'm good. I dont panic the only time i have is Game 6 2016. Like Steph says he doesn't have to prove himself to anyone but he can improve and get better. Skips hate comes from he hate of Bron for that 2016 title which gave Bron fans reason to put him over Jordan and Skip doesn't like that & he helped recruit KD(who wouldn't) that was it for Skip in his love for Steph he had in 2015 & 2016.
That pts scored in the 4th against Boston is a screwed stat if they count game 2. Curry sat the whole 4th
You did Skip dirty LOL
Back after JT beat the game 7 scoring record literally just under 2 weeks after curry did it
Magic is great. Steph is better. It may be arguable, but it’s not controversial.
Steph is obviously and all time great and playing well but saying that he’s “35 and still getting better” is pretty irrelevant in this era. The advancements in training, nutrition, supplements, gear, and performance enhancing drugs allows these guys to play much longer. Plus there’s more time between games, and the game is less physical. Significantly less physical than it was when Steph first got into the league. He’s amazing to watch and he’d be great in any era, but this year has been the craziest scoring season ever. The game is built for perimeter players to dominate. No physicality, allowed to travel and carry every possession, etc.. still amazing and can’t wait to watch him but we have to take this into consideration when we talk about all time status
All of his 4th quart points were when his team was up double digits… Front runner.
😅😅skip that you ?
@@yd945 where was I wrong?
Last night didn’t look to good for curry
To be fair, if there is any player in NBA history you should never factor in their short career, it's Magic Johnson. He didn't want to retire, it was basically forced since he was HIV positive
Skip is absolutely rite we talkin about clutch in playoffs
Why don’t we wait till the series is over to anyone a choker
2:47 He gets away with a double dribble.
not a double dribble
Steph has impressed me this playoff season. Steph is definitely the best player in the league right now.
Magic won the finals mvp when he was a rookie. It took Steph years to develop into a star. Also magic was still playing at a high level when he was forced to retire so we don’t know where he’d be if he was able to play for longer. He was forced to retire because of his HIV diagnosis. I mean he went to 9 finals in 11 seasons. I can’t ever put him over magic but he’s up there at least. Again, this era is built for Steph to dominate. It’s the easiest era ever to score. I do have him over Isaiah Thomas though, even though zeke would dominate this era
Curry had injuries earlier in his career . We didn't get to see his potential til 2013 and Klay also
He was a choker in 2016 right?
I don't think it's the worst narrative. The fact is he did choke a 3-1 lead and almost choked a 1-3 deficit the WCF before that series. His stats don't paint the perfect picture of a choker, but for his level there's been many series since the Warriors blew up that Curry wasn't the same regular season Curry. That's okay. Narratives change. Unlike someone like Dirk who was a huge choker before changing his narrative in a big way, Curry is one of those guys who is kind of hit or miss but he's expected to be other worldly. He may have some choke games in this series vs the Lakers, like he did against the Kings but he'll also have clutch moments. He's an all time great. They're NOT perfect and they're not the GOAT and that's okay.
The thunder were actually up 3-1 in the wcf but they blew it. Why don't people talk about that when it comes to kd ? Plus he shot horrible in game 5&6 costing his team
@@tj5180 People do lol.
@@Sley_5281 not as brought up compare to bron choking and curry in 2016 finals
seem like the nba media was right about curry
He hasnt evolved his game though. He does the same old stuff. He is just playing against poor defense.
Curry’s rings are too cheap for Magic’s price.
cutting to two shots up 14 and 19 isn't disproving skips point
I like Curry. But respectfully ima need my team to win!!! #LakerNATION 💜💛💯
Fyi hoops, scoring up 20 with 7 minutes to go is not clutch 😂😂
Curry playing well in playoff games is not what we mean by “clutch”. We’re talking about him coming up short every single time he is burdened with making plays that decide the outcome of the game. For the first three rounds in a series, sure, give me curry, but end of a big game? Score close? He’s one of the last players in the league I would want deciding the game for me.
Lebron was never the best in the world at 35, 2018 was the last year he was the best. Really only MJ was for sure the best at that age
Looney and Curry have been going insane but i dont think Looney gonna have 20 reb with lackers they too big
Lakers in 6 at worst
Dropped 50 in an game 7 on the road. #choker
game was rigged to let Steph win. King's playing matador defense in the 2nd half.
I really want one more for Steph and these Warriors. Just one more to cement the greatness and influence the Steph dynasty has meant for posterity in NBA history. The comparison with Magic is legit.
I've been watching NBA since the late 80s and they both probably share my #1 spot for PG and also for the two players I've ever had the most fun watching, the true meaning of showtime, while also being legit and efficient all-time greats.
How is what Bayless saying incorrect? He even gave examples. Steph scoring 50 pts in game 7 is not what Skip is talking about.
You don’t use the same objectivity that you use with the MJ vs Bron debate. You are flawless with that one. Skip is simply talking about when he needs one or two shots in the clutch to win the game. You are just rambling about what he did overall. Overall, yes, he is clutch when you count what he did, but this isn’t what Skip is talking about, so you are now resorting to the same logic what is used to say Bron is the Goat: overall.
I know you understand what Skip is talking about.
My argument for this is that, yes, Steph chokes, but it's because he doesn't have enough close games to be familiar with that kind of pressure and situation. I would rather have games that aren't close so much that having to be clutch within 1-3 points gap constantly.
@@fobinc , I agree with your assessment. I just feel like Uncut Hoops totally understands what Bayless and others are saying, but it seems that he doesn’t want to upset everyone, so he changes the narrative a little bit, but if this was the MJ vs Bron debate, he would be more objective.
Steph is my favorite player of this generation, so I’m not hating on him. I’m just being objective, and I wish Uncut Hooos would do the same on this topic as well.
Magic is the greatest PG ever but Curry is the greatest athlete playing as a PG. but you really can’t compare cause both athletes play differently and Curry to me is more of a SG than PG. 🤷🏿♂️
what? Payton was better athlete than Curry
LeRoids will be the GOAT when his winning % in the NBA Finals is 90%. LeRoids is currently at 40%.
Curry is not Clutch he is 0-12 on potential game winning shots with 45 seconds or less left, how can you not figure out what that means. All the shots shown in your video are when they are leading double digits and it literally doesn't matter if he misses.
cording to ESPN stats when Steph vs Lbj...Steph is DONIMATE......3out of th 4 games Steph wins....you cannot be the goat lbj (you are not anyway) when loose to this guy o the way to championships...steph has won 4 "REAL Championships" LBJ has only 3 real ones!...again....can never be the Goat