Sauron were after all the second in command for the greater Bad Guy. Everything were just leftovers going to war. And Smaug were fairly small of a dragon I recall.
Sauron was not only Second in Command, but that, only because he was so much more Cunning. He was as good at being The Deceiver as Morgoth. He is of Maia Order, which puts him on the *same*, not greater, Base Turf as the Balrogs. The one from Moria was, as Balrogs go, either ''way out of practice'', or ''very well-rested'', so the argument could go either way for who could kick whose ass. Morgoth being stuck in the Void could be an issue. As some Balrogs, and definitely Gothmog the Balrog Captain, could physically and magically over-*Power* Sauron, Ungoliant the Great Spider was seemingly like that to Morgoth himself, and there's no reason to not think that a couple of other mighty monsters, like the Watcher or the Mumakil, had even more terrible ancestors that might have been like Ungoliant in their relation to Morgoth. Always, Morgoth was the Most Intelligent, Most Aware, Most Wise, Crafty, etc, etc. He often stole his Servants from Aule the Smith, like the Maia Curunir, better known as Saruman the White Istari. None could really Outwit Morgoth or Sauron, but many could Outfight them. In otherwords, yes, things were pretty fucking bad ass. :)
Smaug was praised somewhat as a dragon. I think if you try to get a subtle sense of the rhyme of how lineages are described across the Legendarium, Smaug was "Greater than Glaurung, who was mainly a rough draft/prototype, by a great deal' in Power, Danger, etc. Dunno about Size, but if Glaurung was bigger, it was a Design Flaw compared to Smaug. "Nowhere near Ancalagon in anything, except maybe vocabulary" who was Pretty Frikking Stupid and basically the Death Star of Dragons, if one of those things had actually gotten finished. Doesn't hardly almost even if it's way stupid bigger than it needs to. A totally finished construction, totally armed, totally operational Death Star is kinda a retarded awesome thing. "No idea how Smaug stacks to Sea Dragons and Stone Dragons" "Probably either a good deal worse than Scatha, or else simply a Winged Scatha. Scatha and Smaug had similar hunting grounds and dealt with the same kinds of enemies and Smaug performed much more successfully. Scatha may have resisted the Dwarves only to be defeated by Men, but Smaug *Destroyed* the Dwarves some more, and goes on record next to Durin's Bane and Azog on the Dwarves' Shit List" "The Great Cold Drake" "The Fire Dragon of Gondolin" and "Gostir the Dread Glare" were maybe all similar to Smaug, different in color, personality, or specialization, (Gondolin might have been bigger, or the Balrogs might have Shape-Changed to be smaller), but not enough is really known about them to do a comparison. (Not enough is known about Balrogs to be sure of size of them or Dragons compared to them.) Smaug's fame, renown, feats, and legacy outshines basically every dragon but Ancalagon and Glaurung, so we're not sure if he was "Kinda Small" or not. Glaurung is hard to figure, too, because he was ''lumpy, not polished'' as Inventions go, but he did get the job pretty well done. He might not have been the record holder, but Smaug might have been above-average too.
Ancalagon could blot out the sun with his wings alone, and destroyed three mountains larger than Everest upon his death. Try killing that with your black arrow.
Julian Shi He didn’t state he destroyed the three peaks, nor can I find any mention of him being able to blot out the sun though. Rather that he “broke” the mountains, which could mean anything. Consider that when the balrog fell it “broke” the mountainside.
Philip Paul Imagine how big a dragon must be to flatten three mountains when falling dead to the ground or pushing back the combined force of the Valar, Maiar and other creatures of middle earth by himself. Ancalagon makes smaug look like a fly :p
Why do dragons have to be killed by just one man? It always bugs me to see that because you would think that dragons, giant lizards that breath fire and flies around, could easiely kill anything that comes any close to it. We see with Smaug that they have some sort of intelligence and with Glaurung litteraly leading an army, how can they be so dumb that they get killed by just one single man? I wanna hear that dragons were taken down by armies wielding balistas! At least make their death a bit more honorable for Eru's sake.
with exception of glaurung who was caught by surprise, I'm pretty sure that all the other were killed on combat, but history just remembers the name of the one who delivered the killing blow. Glaurung was a prototype dragon, he was a easy one
Even so, the physics of it doesn't make any sense. I know that it is fantasy and physic can go screw itselfs but like if we are talking about a creature of at least 50 meters in lenght then a sword could never go deep enough to reach vital organs of any sort, that is if they can even reach the belly of the beat that can be 10 meters up the air. Again, balistas could do the job, but dragons should be smart enough to cover their weakspot, especially if they constantly have to show it to the world when they fly around.
Well, glaurung was passing by a fissure, thus Turin was able to cut his belly open. Smaug deliberately had spent years sprawled on the wealth of his hoard, allowing diamonds and hard gemstones to be embedded into his belly, armoring his only weakness. However, while examining the dragon, Bilbo noticed a single bare patch on the monster's left breast, nearest his heart. so Smaulg was unaware of this gap, allowing the mighty arrow of Bard to penetrate deep enough to hurt, I dont really beleave that smaug was killed by the arrow, but instead, by the fall (he was flying). I don`t know about the others dragons,
Ancalagon's death was especially retarded. Other dragons were like Mosquitoes compared to this guy and his shadow was big enough to cover entire mountain ranges----- but it took only 1 guy to kill him. WTF?
Wrong-- Ancalagon's was the only one that made sense. The other Dragons were killed a lot more by really dumb luck. But take a careful, close look at all the Weapons, Equipment, Blessings, and Lineage backing Earendil. That dude was the total and complete opposite of ''just some guy'' and probably could have wrecked Sauron in a 1 vs 1 Battle. (Battle, not Duel-- as in even with armies and having to fight his way to get to Sauron, he'd do it.) Exactly why Earendil was not sent back to mop up Sauron is not made totally entirely clear, but I think it has something to do with ''they have to do it on their own'' to ''grow up/come of age''. If Earendil had solved all the problems of Middle-Earth his own self, it wouldn't have allowed Men to become all that they Could Be. But the Men before the Numenoreans were really stumbling around in the dark, "Black Sword of Gurthang" or not. Earendil was Elrond's father dude. He's basically the Jor-El of Middle-Earth. (Elros Tar-Minyatur being Superman, and Lord of the Rings' take on Superman being much different.) Earendil was the first example in the Histories of a guy with a ''Curiously Stacked'' looking Family Tree. Yeah there were some cool royal marriages before him, but all of a sudden here comes this guy, Actually Flipping Related To Err'ybody Important, and Also the Heir of Everything. Things don't look like that again until Aragorn son of Arathorn son of Arador. (whose son has a birthright claim on Two of the Elvish Rings of Power....even though, yeah, they Passed and all. but still.)
I truly hope your getting a ton more subscribers, seriously the things you know of Middle-earth and ASOIAF are insane. You, if anyone, is truly underrated. Well done.
Pasan Etternavn Those names aren't Scandinavian. They're from the languages that Tolkien made up. Yes, they are partially based on languages like yours but ONLY partially.
I understand that Tolkien wanted to make Arda basically Earth in the past, but I always liked to think it was completely separate, and the magical elements did not fully disappear. However, I still LOVE Middle Earth and Tolkien anyways for bringing this world to us!
Awesome video :D many great dragons :) Tolkien said in an interview that he never intended Smaug to be the very last dragon and that more lived on after him :)
This is the most comprehensive list of the ME dragons I've seen, cool! There was one other dragon I know of Tolkien wrote about... Chrysophylax who was in "Farmer Giles of Ham". Unlike Smaug he was cowardly (although still pretty wily). Its a great little story but its connections to Middle Earth are iffy and somewhat vague.
I know who did it i'm just wondering how. This guy helped push back the forces of the valar when they were on the brink of victory. I just really want to know what happened in that battle that gave them victory.
CivilizationEx Also let's remember when Earendil (Sp?) came back from Aman ("the west")with the hosts of the Valar his ship Vingoliant rode on the 'seas of the airs' which would be very helpful in taking against a winged dragon eh?
House Targaryen theme by Ross Bugden as the background music for a video about dragons in the LOTR universe, eh? Well played, CivilizationEx, well played.
+CivilizationEx Hmm, idk if you consider this as a valuable source but in the game : Lord of the rings - War in the north'' There was a fire dragon named Urgost. Here is his wiki page --> lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Urgost P.S.: It seems he has no allegiance to Sauron, but still, it was some kind of dragon. Though, again, idk if you consider this source (Game) as reliable or not)
Felipe Gabriel Ah ok ! I thought so but just wanted confirmation :-3 Got to say though, that dragon in the game was badass !! I would have loved if there was some fight against it ! Or maybe some part where you must escape from him ;))
Esdese Yes, some very cool stories. Ancalagon the black was the biggest dragon in history and fought in the War of Wrath. He fought the great Eagles and was killed by Earendil (a half-elf, blessed by the Valar) who flew his sky ship towards him, and when the dragon was defeated, his fallen body destroyed the Mountain Thangorodrim, which held the Dark Lord's fortress Angband. :)
Lindhon Balino because black dragons are the most feared of the dragon kin they enermous they eat human Flesh And they have scales dark às the night And hard as stone they are seing as demons in dragon form by the humans
Could you make a video on the 5th, 6th and (7th - I don't know if it exists...) Ages?? or maybe there isn't enough to make one but there are some hints about them in some of your videos and it triggered my curiosity...
where can i found that picture ,in the silmarilion book that nothing pictur,i just wanna see how the noldor look like ,feanor ,fingolfin ,finarfin and their chil and child and child
Hmm never heard of Gostir (if I had I had forgotten), and also I wasn't aware there was any info regarding any age beyond the Fourth (regarding the bit about dragons being gone by the Fifth Age). I enjoyed this video however :) Keep up the great work!
I never read about sea dragons and i read everything there is to read. Where did you got this from? The only thing i know about Melkor and the sea was that he did not trust it and never used or attack from the ocean.
Wow, I just noticed that the story of Scatha and Fram is 1:1 the story of Dragondoom by Dennis L. McKiernan (the Dragon there also was called "The Worm", Killed by Rohan-esce people, took his treasure which led to war with the dwarves.) No wonder I enyojed that book so much! :D
In Battle for Middle-earth 2 game there was also a dragon called Drogoth "The Dragon Lord" but since you didn't mentioned him, I believe he is not canon.
if one could carry Balrog's on its back, how big was Ancalagon? Smaug in the films is two 747's wing to wing. I can not fathom how much bigger they could get beyond that.
While it's possible that fellbeasts were corrupted and very small dragons, they're never described with enough detail and much less considered dragons. (Just like the orks most likely originated from corrupted elves but you still wouldn't consider them the same) Then again it's just as possible that they were corrupted birds or bats or other creatures that Sauron somehow got to fly. As said their description is only very general to the point where you can't really say what they even look like - which may be intentional.
I have a question regarding the dragons. Does every dragon in the tolkien univerese have the ability to talk? Apart from the Nazgul ones I mean. The fire drakes and all those. I know Smaug is a fire drake but I always got the expression that he was unique for being able to speak?
+Henrik bergström the beasts the Nazgul ride on, are in fact not dragons, but Winged Beasts as Tolkien describes them, Tolkien described them more like birds than dragons, and the movies impression is not the greatest. The Winged Beasts most likely had beaks instead of razor sharp teeth...
I know a bit more of dragons. The Drakes in Shadow of War still live in the wilds of Mordor, about the size of the Fell Beasts ridden by the Nazgul, who could breathe fire and take on creatures as big as they were, though they would never become the size of Morgoth's early creations. It is possible to harness their power, yet I know the Uruk-hai would likely get killed in the attempt. In the game War in the North, there is another dragon given a name called Urgost. He was a black-scaled Fire Drake akin to Smaug in size and vocal tone, living in a cave in the Grey Mountains. Urgost was offered the Dwarven realm of Nordinbad by the Black Numenorean Agandaur, but truly desired Carn Dum, the Witch King's old fortress whom the man had taken over. He allied with the Ranger Eradan, Andriel Elven Loremaster of Rivendell, and the dwarf Farin from the Lonely Mountain to accomplish this task, which they did and he now resides in the former capital of Angmar and lived peacefully as the War of the Ring came to an end. I am also planning to include a dragon in my own Lord of the Rings story, as the lands of the East and South are rather unexplored lore-wise, so it is possible there are creatures of the wild and the darkness we know nothing about.
+Steven Van Zuijlen Just imagine a giant fucking lizard made out of stone running up on you. What are you going to do? Hit is with rocks and kill it with a sword? There are not many options to work with. Those sounds more dangerous in a way then the others.
In the books they're simply "fell beasts", there's no indication of them being dragon-like. The animated Return of the King has the Nazgul riding winged skeletal horses.
Didn't king Thranduil fight one of these? In the Des. of Smaug, He said, " Do not speak to me of dragon fire, I have fought the serpents of the west?" Any answers?
+Layla Jinn he fought them in the far north, or in Dagorlad, i am not entirely sure which, but he did not slay any which is probably why he does not make an appearence in this video
do you guys ever know what happened to the fire drake of gondolin. all it says about him on the internet is that he was stabbed in the foot and thats it. did he live? could urgost (who is also a firedrake ) from the video game lord of the rings war in the north be the firedrake of gondolin who was never mentioned again even though its non cannon ?
Ancalagon was killed by thousands of shots from the Silmarils. One Silmaril jewel had the power of the 2 trees of light combined, they were equal to 16.000 suns and 16.000 moons exploding all at the same time. It took 24 hours until Ancalagon eventually fell. 24 hours full of shots from the jewel, almost every second. So for those saying that Ancalagon had a stupid death, image how much power it took to take him down.
SKy_the_Thunder How could you say that? The movies were amazing, even if they added Tauriel and Legolas to the mix. It added a twist and I liked it. I wouldn't want to watch a movie I just read word for word about... Besides, without the movies I would never of even known and started to read Tolkien's works. The movies made Tolkien's estate and novels so much more rich and popular. Tolkien's owe it to the movies, even if some people think other wise, the facts are there to prove it.
Matthew Dreams The LotR movies, yes. Those were really good. Cutting out the not so necessary parts to enhance the story as the books tell it and go all out with that. The Hobbit on the other hand disregraded half of the story and reshaped the rest to be even more epic than LotR was - even though that was never even remotely the book's intention. The dwarfs are barely dwarfs (really, look at them and thell me if "dwarf" would be a description you'd use if you didn't know it), Radagast is a babbling idiot instead of the slightly naive but wise hermit, the eagles are nothing more than Gandalf's pets again (creating even more unnecessary plot holes), they throw in creatures that would never find a place in Tolkien's world, blow up characters where the intention was something entirely different, etc., etc. ... In the end it's a typical Hollywood action blockbuster inspired by the Hobbit book. They may even be good movies in itself - I don't know - but as a representation of Tolkien's stories they utterly fail.
Ancalagon was probably stronger than Gothmog the chief Balrog. He was immense. Glaurung, Smaug, and others were probably on par with most Balrogs. You do have to remember, though, that Balrogs were originally Maiar like Sauron and Gandalf, and so were innately more powerful (nothing aside from Eru himself trumps an Ainu), but they were corrupted and diminished in their forms. Glaurung, though not as powerful as Ancalagon, is my favorite because of how cunning and manipulative he is. He totally screwed Turin over.
Everyone can correct me if I'm wrong, been a while since I read the Silmarillion- but the dragons were powerful enough to push back the Valar (gods of middle earth) and their army in the last(?) battle before morgoth was cast into the void. Ancalagon in particular was very powerful, and helped turn the tide of the battle almost entirely in Morgoths favor, until a guy on a boat with a couple eagles somehow killed him.
How did Morgoth create dragons? Remember he can't create because since he's evil he has no access to the Flame Imperishable of Eru Illuvatar. Perhaps there are good dragons? Maybe Yavanna created good dragons and Morgoth corrupted them. Perhaps these good dragons lived in Rhun(remember that in Eastern folklore dragons are generally good) and the Easterlings lived in harmony with them.
Yeah, I always had the same question floating around in my mind. As a casual fan of Tolkien's mythos, who does not know/follow every detail, part of me wanted to imagine that the Dragons were once noble and majestic guardians of Middle Earth (like in "Game of Thrones," if they were even larger, more powerful, more intelligent, and capable of speech). I'd like to think, they were targeted by Morgoth until all of them were either killed or corrupted/seduced into serving the Dark Lord, like many of the Maiar that became Balrogs or Sauron. So only the Dragons remaining were those consumed by pride, wrath, and greed, leaving the entire race of Dragons to forever be a hollow shell of their former glory.
If this helps Morgoth's Ring, "Part Five. Myths Transformed" In Text VIII, Tolkien explains: "I think it must be assumed that 'talking' is not necessarily the sign of the possession of a 'rational soul' or fëa. The Orcs were beasts of humanized shape (to mock Men and Elves) deliberately perverted / converted into a more close resemblance to Men. Their 'talking' was really reeling off 'records' set in them by Melkor. Even their rebellious critical words - he knew about them. Melkor taught them speech and as they bred they inherited this; and they had just as much independence as have, say, dogs or horses of their human masters. This talking was largely echoic (cf. parrots). In The Lord of the Rings Sauron is said to have devised a language for them. [Black Speech] The same sort of thing may be said of Huan and the Eagles: they were taught language by the Valar, and raised to a higher level - but they still had no fëar."
So going along with my theory that at one point there were(and possibly still are at the time of H and LOTR, just far away from northwestern Middle Earth), Yavanna probably did not teach dragons speech when she created them.
the size scales I keep finding are pretty out of the window. mostly making smaug look like mouse in comparison to ancalagon. how could something so big even exists and how could it be slain by a man that is like a bacteria in comparison. do people just throw logic out completely when they make those.
Size is not everything. There are scale pictures of Ancalagon literally resting between mountains, basically using them as armrests. A creature of this size is bound to have blind spots. If a human could get hold of a black sword, they could perhaps wreak havoc on the beast from the inside. You can be sure of one thing though, the man who brought that thing down would make the armies of Mordor pish emselves.
It took the Silmarils and a 24 hour flight to take Ancalagon down. People can barely imagine his strength, as you can barely imagine what billions of supernovas can produce together as an energy. Well, that's what was needed to kill the beast.
Smaug was the last great fire drake but wasn't the last dragon. There were two dragons during War of the Ring there were Drogoth the Dragon Lord (The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II) and Úrgost the winged fire-drake (The Lord of the Rings: War in the North). Drogoth who joins Sauron and commands a legion of Goblins, and takes over a Dwarven city in the Blue Mountains as his new lair. But the Elves and Dwarves have slay Drogoth and the Dwarves reclaim their home. Úrgost who lives in the The Grey Mountains Agandaûr who is the servant Sauron ask the dragon to join him and his master conquest the North. As a reward he word offer him Nordinbad the last hall of the longbeards in the Grey Mountains. But when the three heroes Eradan, the Ranger of Eriador Andriel, the Elven Lore-master of Rivendell and Farin, the dwarf of Erebor come to slay the dragon but Úrgost told them about Agandaûr offer which he has he had no interest in Nordinbad instead he wants Carn Dûm the ancient fortress of the Witch-king of Angmar. But Agandaûr has taken control of Carn Dûm he has no fear against fight Agandaûr for it, but he knew that he would make an enemy of Sauron which he has no wish to make an enemy of the Dark Lord. Instead he promised to the heroes that he would not join Sauron's forces and remain neutral in the war and destroy Agandaûr, if they would turn over Carn Dûm to him, then he also wanted them about Nordinbad been attack by Agandaûr forces. After the death of Agandaûr and Sauron Úrgost flew to Carn Dûm and had sensed that Sauron was destroyed, and that he had been wise not to ally with him. As promise he leaves Middle-earth in peace and be came king of Carn Dûm and the Dragon of Angmar. The fate of Úrgost is unknown. But he's the first and last dragon who lives to the fourth age and kinda a anti-hero.
It would have to be spread out over several dozen movies because the Silmarillion is so dense. the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit combined take up less than two pages.
Birol Efe The wingless dragons were created before the creation of winged dragons. Glaurung (first of their kind) first appeared on the year 260 of the First Age, during the fourth battle of Beleriand known as Dagor Bragollach (Battle of Sudden Flame). Glaurung was slain by Turin Turambar on the year 501 of the First Age. Ancalagon the Black (first of the winged dragons) first appeared alongside a host of other winged dragons on the year 587 the final year of the First Age, and the final year of the six battle of Beleriand known as the War of Wrath (the greatest war ever fought in Middle-earth). Earendil the Mariner and a myriad of Great Eagles destroyed the winged dragon-host (only two survivors escaped), and Earendil himself upon his sky ship Vingilote with a silmaril in tow fought Ancalagon in a battle that lasted around 24 hours. Earendil managed to slay Ancalagon, but as a result of being the largest dragon in history his falling dead body shattered Thangorodrim (said to be one of the greatest creations of Morgoth, they were a trio of volcanic mountains and were sighted to be 35000 feet in height and 5 miles in diameter). Ancalagon's death is slated to be one of the key factors of the sinking of Beleriand.
A dragon carrying balrogs!
That’s overkill
Christ just imagine balrogs falling from the sky
We all gangsta till mr Balrog carrier shows up
I thought I was the chiefest of all Tolkien nerds but you laid out a ton of information I didn't know.
+asimov13647
Well, read the SIlmarillion if you haven't already.
No make him read Children of Hurin best book in my opinion.
Daamn these old ages seem much more dangerous than the depicted on the movies, i would love to see this wars on movies.
Sauron were after all the second in command for the greater Bad Guy. Everything were just leftovers going to war. And Smaug were fairly small of a dragon I recall.
I imagine it was pretty OP. LOTR had orcs as standard enemy troops. Back in the day, Dragons and Balrogs were standard troops...
Sauron was not only Second in Command, but that, only because he was so much more Cunning. He was as good at being The Deceiver as Morgoth.
He is of Maia Order, which puts him on the *same*, not greater, Base Turf as the Balrogs.
The one from Moria was, as Balrogs go, either ''way out of practice'', or ''very well-rested'', so the argument could go either way for who could kick whose ass. Morgoth being stuck in the Void could be an issue.
As some Balrogs, and definitely Gothmog the Balrog Captain, could physically and magically over-*Power* Sauron, Ungoliant the Great Spider was seemingly like that to Morgoth himself, and there's no reason to not think that a couple of other mighty monsters, like the Watcher or the Mumakil, had even more terrible ancestors that might have been like Ungoliant in their relation to Morgoth.
Always, Morgoth was the Most Intelligent, Most Aware, Most Wise, Crafty, etc, etc.
He often stole his Servants from Aule the Smith, like the Maia Curunir, better known as Saruman the White Istari.
None could really Outwit Morgoth or Sauron, but many could Outfight them.
In otherwords, yes, things were pretty fucking bad ass. :)
Smaug was praised somewhat as a dragon. I think if you try to get a subtle sense of the rhyme of how lineages are described across the Legendarium, Smaug was
"Greater than Glaurung, who was mainly a rough draft/prototype, by a great deal' in Power, Danger, etc. Dunno about Size, but if Glaurung was bigger, it was a Design Flaw compared to Smaug.
"Nowhere near Ancalagon in anything, except maybe vocabulary" who was Pretty Frikking Stupid and basically the Death Star of Dragons, if one of those things had actually gotten finished. Doesn't hardly almost even if it's way stupid bigger than it needs to. A totally finished construction, totally armed, totally operational Death Star is kinda a retarded awesome thing.
"No idea how Smaug stacks to Sea Dragons and Stone Dragons"
"Probably either a good deal worse than Scatha, or else simply a Winged Scatha. Scatha and Smaug had similar hunting grounds and dealt with the same kinds of enemies and Smaug performed much more successfully. Scatha may have resisted the Dwarves only to be defeated by Men, but Smaug *Destroyed* the Dwarves some more, and goes on record next to Durin's Bane and Azog on the Dwarves' Shit List"
"The Great Cold Drake" "The Fire Dragon of Gondolin" and "Gostir the Dread Glare" were maybe all similar to Smaug, different in color, personality, or specialization, (Gondolin might have been bigger, or the Balrogs might have Shape-Changed to be smaller), but not enough is really known about them to do a comparison. (Not enough is known about Balrogs to be sure of size of them or Dragons compared to them.)
Smaug's fame, renown, feats, and legacy outshines basically every dragon but Ancalagon and Glaurung, so we're not sure if he was "Kinda Small" or not. Glaurung is hard to figure, too, because he was ''lumpy, not polished'' as Inventions go, but he did get the job pretty well done.
He might not have been the record holder, but Smaug might have been above-average too.
Darth Parallax
Ah I didnt consider such,
Ancalagon could blot out the sun with his wings alone, and destroyed three mountains larger than Everest upon his death. Try killing that with your black arrow.
He made Smaug look like a dragon that just hatch from it egg!
No, he made Snaug look like a misquito larva
Julian Shi He didn’t state he destroyed the three peaks, nor can I find any mention of him being able to blot out the sun though. Rather that he “broke” the mountains, which could mean anything. Consider that when the balrog fell it “broke” the mountainside.
Yeah fuck you bard
Compared to Ancalagon, Smaug looks like he's gonna offer you a deal where you can save 15% or more on your car insurance.
Can you imagine how big a dragon you'd need to be to carry a Balrog on your back! Jeez lol
Philip Paul Imagine how big a dragon must be to flatten three mountains when falling dead to the ground or pushing back the combined force of the Valar, Maiar and other creatures of middle earth by himself. Ancalagon makes smaug look like a fly :p
Why do dragons have to be killed by just one man? It always bugs me to see that because you would think that dragons, giant lizards that breath fire and flies around, could easiely kill anything that comes any close to it. We see with Smaug that they have some sort of intelligence and with Glaurung litteraly leading an army, how can they be so dumb that they get killed by just one single man? I wanna hear that dragons were taken down by armies wielding balistas! At least make their death a bit more honorable for Eru's sake.
with exception of glaurung who was caught by surprise, I'm pretty sure that all the other were killed on combat, but history just remembers the name of the one who delivered the killing blow.
Glaurung was a prototype dragon, he was a easy one
Even so, the physics of it doesn't make any sense. I know that it is fantasy and physic can go screw itselfs but like if we are talking about a creature of at least 50 meters in lenght then a sword could never go deep enough to reach vital organs of any sort, that is if they can even reach the belly of the beat that can be 10 meters up the air. Again, balistas could do the job, but dragons should be smart enough to cover their weakspot, especially if they constantly have to show it to the world when they fly around.
Well, glaurung was passing by a fissure, thus Turin was able to cut his belly open.
Smaug deliberately had spent years sprawled on the wealth of his hoard, allowing diamonds and hard gemstones to be embedded into his belly, armoring his only weakness. However, while examining the dragon, Bilbo noticed a single bare patch on the monster's left breast, nearest his heart. so Smaulg was unaware of this gap, allowing the mighty arrow of Bard to penetrate deep enough to hurt, I dont really beleave that smaug was killed by the arrow, but instead, by the fall (he was flying).
I don`t know about the others dragons,
Ancalagon's death was especially retarded. Other dragons were like Mosquitoes compared to this guy and his shadow was big enough to cover entire mountain ranges----- but it took only 1 guy to kill him. WTF?
Wrong-- Ancalagon's was the only one that made sense.
The other Dragons were killed a lot more by really dumb luck.
But take a careful, close look at all the Weapons, Equipment, Blessings, and Lineage backing Earendil.
That dude was the total and complete opposite of ''just some guy'' and probably could have wrecked Sauron in a 1 vs 1 Battle. (Battle, not Duel-- as in even with armies and having to fight his way to get to Sauron, he'd do it.)
Exactly why Earendil was not sent back to mop up Sauron is not made totally entirely clear, but I think it has something to do with ''they have to do it on their own'' to ''grow up/come of age''. If Earendil had solved all the problems of Middle-Earth his own self, it wouldn't have allowed Men to become all that they Could Be.
But the Men before the Numenoreans were really stumbling around in the dark, "Black Sword of Gurthang" or not.
Earendil was Elrond's father dude. He's basically the Jor-El of Middle-Earth. (Elros Tar-Minyatur being Superman, and Lord of the Rings' take on Superman being much different.)
Earendil was the first example in the Histories of a guy with a ''Curiously Stacked'' looking Family Tree. Yeah there were some cool royal marriages before him, but all of a sudden here comes this guy, Actually Flipping Related To Err'ybody Important, and Also the Heir of Everything.
Things don't look like that again until Aragorn son of Arathorn son of Arador. (whose son has a birthright claim on Two of the Elvish Rings of Power....even though, yeah, they Passed and all. but still.)
I truly hope your getting a ton more subscribers, seriously the things you know of Middle-earth and ASOIAF are insane.
You, if anyone, is truly underrated. Well done.
I just love these videos! Keep 'em coming!
This was very interesting and informative, thanks dude
Dude. Those pronunciations are on point!
As a scandinavian they are pretty bad to be honest.
Pasan Etternavn Those names aren't Scandinavian. They're from the languages that Tolkien made up. Yes, they are partially based on languages like yours but ONLY partially.
Some of them are on point. But not all of them, like his pronunciation of Illuvitar. I think should be I-LOO-vi-tar.
Very cool! Thanks for these mini-tutorials,bro.
I understand that Tolkien wanted to make Arda basically Earth in the past, but I always liked to think it was completely separate, and the magical elements did not fully disappear. However, I still LOVE Middle Earth and Tolkien anyways for bringing this world to us!
Awesome video :D many great dragons :)
Tolkien said in an interview that he never intended Smaug to be the very last dragon and that more lived on after him :)
Thank you! :)
This is the most comprehensive list of the ME dragons I've seen, cool! There was one other dragon I know of Tolkien wrote about... Chrysophylax who was in "Farmer Giles of Ham". Unlike Smaug he was cowardly (although still pretty wily). Its a great little story but its connections to Middle Earth are iffy and somewhat vague.
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I've been waiting for this thank you.
I really wish to know how the hell they managed to kill ancalagon that thing just sounds immense and powerful.
From what I remember Thorondor, King of the Eagles and Earendil, were the ones to take him down. Eagle vs. Dragon is a battle I'd pay to see :)
I know who did it i'm just wondering how. This guy helped push back the forces of the valar when they were on the brink of victory. I just really want to know what happened in that battle that gave them victory.
CivilizationEx true but its said in size Ancalagon was 100 times bigger then smaug so its just very hard to picture
CivilizationEx Also let's remember when Earendil (Sp?) came back from Aman ("the west")with the hosts of the Valar his ship Vingoliant rode on the 'seas of the airs' which would be very helpful in taking against a winged dragon eh?
I allways Immagine Earendil sailing his ship directly trough Ancalagorns hearth.
House Targaryen theme by Ross Bugden as the background music for a video about dragons in the LOTR universe, eh? Well played, CivilizationEx, well played.
:)
Where did the stone drakes come from? Never heard of them until now. Someone go into more depth on them, please!!
I agree
you sir earned a subscriber because of all the lotr knowledge keep on doing them.
+DarkOverlord2468 Thank you! :)
+CivilizationEx Are you planning to do other lores of video games?
Christian Luna Eventually yes, but not for awhile.
so, where are Alduin and Paarthurnax ??
This right here... Yass.
troll.
Kenny Farisan badri Get out troll.
In a worse universe
Kenny Badri Nust saraan ko Taazokaan fah oblaan do pah truk, zeymah.
Nicely done! Your videos are great! More LOTR/ASOIAF please :)
Thank you!, more coming :)
Can you make video about fall of Gondolion pls :D
I'll add it to the list :)
CivilizationEx CivilizationEx can you make a video on Ancalagon's death I want to know how they managed to kill him?
Gotta love your videos!
Good God man, you sound like a professional narrator!
Is there any video that talks about the fall of Gondolin?
+Felipe Gabriel (Felps Cross) Actually that one will be coming out at the end of this month/beginning of next month.
+CivilizationEx nice. Ty :)
+CivilizationEx
Hmm, idk if you consider this as a valuable source but in the game : Lord of the rings - War in the north'' There was a fire dragon named Urgost.
Here is his wiki page --> lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Urgost
P.S.: It seems he has no allegiance to Sauron, but still, it was some kind of dragon. Though, again, idk if you consider this source (Game) as reliable or not)
+Kokain Sabé Its not considered source, as it is a story that does not come from a Tolkien, and therefore, is non-canon.
Felipe Gabriel Ah ok !
I thought so but just wanted confirmation :-3
Got to say though, that dragon in the game was badass !! I would have loved if there was some fight against it ! Or maybe some part where you must escape from him ;))
Your vids are awesome!!!
Excellent video
Can you do one about Balrogs
Sure thing, I'll add it to our list :)
Thanks
All the great dragons, killed by men. Sauron killed by men. Men are badasses in lotr universe.
Cliven Longsight But Hobbits are basically related to humans(aka Men). They're just smaller and have hairier and tougher feet.
LightningFletch not confirmed although you put basically so meh.
the men of numenor in their high for example were like 2m tall
Was there any major stories about the black dragon o.O? That things sounds awesome.
Esdese Yes, some very cool stories. Ancalagon the black was the biggest dragon in history and fought in the War of Wrath. He fought the great Eagles and was killed by Earendil (a half-elf, blessed by the Valar) who flew his sky ship towards him, and when the dragon was defeated, his fallen body destroyed the Mountain Thangorodrim, which held the Dark Lord's fortress Angband. :)
CivilizationEx What Killed This HUGE MONSTEROUS Powerfull Dragon? Heck,he`s over 200 times the Size of the Powerfull Smaug!!!
waynec38 I think it was a combination of the Eagles and Earendil in his sky ship that took him down.
Lindhon Balino because black dragons are the most feared of the dragon kin they enermous they eat human Flesh And they have scales dark às the night And hard as stone they are seing as demons in dragon form by the humans
Could you make a video on the 5th, 6th and (7th - I don't know if it exists...) Ages?? or maybe there isn't enough to make one but there are some hints about them in some of your videos and it triggered my curiosity...
Nothing is really known about those ages, just speculation and rumor. Not enough to make a video unfortunately.
ok well tiny disappointment... Thanks for answering though!!
hey, what about Urgost (look it up)
where can i found that picture ,in the silmarilion book that nothing pictur,i just wanna see how the noldor look like ,feanor ,fingolfin ,finarfin and their chil and child and child
I bet you could see Ancalagon from space he's so big!
Nah i believe his size would be close to K-2 :D
ajeme ASEFD Those mountains Ancalagon flattened were taller than Everest, I think you could see that bastard from space :p
ajeme ASEFD approximate sizes place him as large as scotland
Have you thought about a video focused on Turin?
Your voice sounds like Atlas from GOW 2. Keep up the good work.
what about urgost the fire drake in the north he was never killed
If I'm not badly mistaken, the Fell Beasts who carried the Nazgul were also dragons, but of somewhat smaller size
interesting rich and informative.....keep them up........
It must feel good to be a dragon having fire,a tail, claws, teeth, and wings as a weapon
Hmm never heard of Gostir (if I had I had forgotten), and also I wasn't aware there was any info regarding any age beyond the Fourth (regarding the bit about dragons being gone by the Fifth Age). I enjoyed this video however :) Keep up the great work!
he is an ice dragon
Yes, I've never heard of Gostir either and I would like to know.
Matthew Dreams i don know nothing about him just that he is a ice dragon
do ice dragons breath/spread ice as fire dragons breath fire?
No one knows as JRR Tolkien never elaborated on the ice drakes.
I never read about sea dragons and i read everything there is to read. Where did you got this from? The only thing i know about Melkor and the sea was that he did not trust it and never used or attack from the ocean.
They are not from a story, they were mentioned in The Lost Road and Other Writings but not details were mentioned.
It would be so good if games and movies learn the difference between wyverns,dragons and drakes
What about the fell beasts, which the Nazgul ridden?
Wow, I just noticed that the story of Scatha and Fram is 1:1 the story of Dragondoom by Dennis L. McKiernan (the Dragon there also was called "The Worm", Killed by Rohan-esce people, took his treasure which led to war with the dwarves.)
No wonder I enyojed that book so much! :D
thanks 👍
Are there any records of dragons other than Glaurung and Smaug who could talk? Aside from their physical menace those two were supremely cunning.
So ancalagon is the half the size of scotland
Who is Gostir? If you could reference what book you got his information from I would appreciate it.
Matthew Dreams The Sources are the Unfinished Tales, and The History of Middle-earth.
where did u get all of this details on your lotr focus
The many LOTR books and histories :)
In Battle for Middle-earth 2 game there was also a dragon called Drogoth "The Dragon Lord" but since you didn't mentioned him, I believe he is not canon.
if one could carry Balrog's on its back, how big was Ancalagon? Smaug in the films is two 747's wing to wing. I can not fathom how much bigger they could get beyond that.
In the hobbit the 2nd movie, Thraindul says he had fought great serpents of the north, which dragons were those?
Suggestion: the story of turin Turambar
ancalagon is the strongest dragon ?
*was
Amazing,
Sources for Gostir, The Fire Drake of Gondolin, and The Great Cold Drake?
Darth Parallax The Sources are the Unfinished Tales, and The History of Middle-Earth.
What about sky hawks or the fellbeast?
While it's possible that fellbeasts were corrupted and very small dragons, they're never described with enough detail and much less considered dragons. (Just like the orks most likely originated from corrupted elves but you still wouldn't consider them the same)
Then again it's just as possible that they were corrupted birds or bats or other creatures that Sauron somehow got to fly. As said their description is only very general to the point where you can't really say what they even look like - which may be intentional.
SKy_the_Thunder ok
I have a question regarding the dragons. Does every dragon in the tolkien univerese have the ability to talk? Apart from the Nazgul ones I mean. The fire drakes and all those. I know Smaug is a fire drake but I always got the expression that he was unique for being able to speak?
The Nazgul are the black riders
i ment the nazgul dragons. The one they ride on. Sorry I see now that I asked my question wrong
All can talk.
ok thanks
+Henrik bergström the beasts the Nazgul ride on, are in fact not dragons, but Winged Beasts as Tolkien describes them, Tolkien described them more like birds than dragons, and the movies impression is not the greatest. The Winged Beasts most likely had beaks instead of razor sharp teeth...
I know a bit more of dragons.
The Drakes in Shadow of War still live in the wilds of Mordor, about the size of the Fell Beasts ridden by the Nazgul, who could breathe fire and take on creatures as big as they were, though they would never become the size of Morgoth's early creations. It is possible to harness their power, yet I know the Uruk-hai would likely get killed in the attempt.
In the game War in the North, there is another dragon given a name called Urgost. He was a black-scaled Fire Drake akin to Smaug in size and vocal tone, living in a cave in the Grey Mountains. Urgost was offered the Dwarven realm of Nordinbad by the Black Numenorean Agandaur, but truly desired Carn Dum, the Witch King's old fortress whom the man had taken over. He allied with the Ranger Eradan, Andriel Elven Loremaster of Rivendell, and the dwarf Farin from the Lonely Mountain to accomplish this task, which they did and he now resides in the former capital of Angmar and lived peacefully as the War of the Ring came to an end.
I am also planning to include a dragon in my own Lord of the Rings story, as the lands of the East and South are rather unexplored lore-wise, so it is possible there are creatures of the wild and the darkness we know nothing about.
Uhm you where talking about Stone Dragons but what exactly do Stone Dragons do they Throw Stones or something?
manny _ exe That sounds like something they would say in a comercial: Here is the newest type of dragon totaly sword proof get it now for 9.99!!!
+steven zuijlen Watch as it cuts through a can,then slices a tomato! Send us the piles of treasure today, or we'll take them from you!
+steven zuijlen
There is not known information on stone dragons; I believe he mentioned them in a letter.
They probably have really strong skin. Like, way stronger than smaugs.
+Steven Van Zuijlen Just imagine a giant fucking lizard made out of stone running up on you. What are you going to do? Hit is with rocks and kill it with a sword? There are not many options to work with. Those sounds more dangerous in a way then the others.
What about the Dragons the nazgul rode?
They were no dragons, but birds
Called "Fellbeasts"
how did he learn this?
What about Urgoth from LOTR War in the North
Non canon.
Dragon carrying balrogs or dragon-carrying balrogs?
what do the Ring Raiths fly upon, if not dragons?
wryms
In the books they're simply "fell beasts", there's no indication of them being dragon-like. The animated Return of the King has the Nazgul riding winged skeletal horses.
Pieguy this best way to call a dragon
cool!
Yess
Didn't king Thranduil fight one of these? In the Des. of Smaug, He said,
" Do not speak to me of dragon fire, I have fought the serpents of the west?"
Any answers?
+Layla Jinn he fought them in the far north, or in Dagorlad, i am not entirely sure which, but he did not slay any which is probably why he does not make an appearence in this video
This was made up by PJ and Lee Pace
he Said serpents of the north
and the dragon that was killed by azagal ?
I guess the name of the dragon was Glaurung the same from the history of Turin Turambar. Azaghâl was actually killed by this dragon.
He was killed by Glaurung :)
CivilizationEx iam writing a fantasy book Its like a mix of lotr with dark souls
do you guys ever know what happened to the fire drake of gondolin. all it says about him on the internet is that he was stabbed in the foot and thats it. did he live? could urgost (who is also a firedrake ) from the video game lord of the rings war in the north be the firedrake of gondolin who was never mentioned again even though its non cannon ?
+lifes40123
Read the Silmarillion.
+Motsognir the simarillion never mentioned the firedrake of gondolin again
Smaug(curse) and Balrog(act of vengenge) are evil spirits "awakened" by Thorin . More explanations on my channel.
what about drogoth the Dragon lord
saltyPotatoChips He is a non-Canon character appearing exclusively in a videogame.
Forgot Trogdor. Caused much burnination in the villages.
Too bad middle earth dragon fans are not that many. LONG LIVE SMAUG AND ANCALAGON!
Ancalagon was killed by thousands of shots from the Silmarils. One Silmaril jewel had the power of the 2 trees of light combined, they were equal to 16.000 suns and 16.000 moons exploding all at the same time. It took 24 hours until Ancalagon eventually fell. 24 hours full of shots from the jewel, almost every second. So for those saying that Ancalagon had a stupid death, image how much power it took to take him down.
matteo franklin meaning he can stand up to 1.5 billion super novas
Now imagine a Balrog on the back of a dragon coming right at you...
So do you think they are going to make movies about all the ages or not?
If the Tolkien Family sells the rights to Warner Brothers for the Silmarillion, we might see the movie in the 2020's.
+Matthew Dreams yeah the will start pumping them out as fast as possible
I hope the Tolkiens learned from the Hobbit tragedy...
SKy_the_Thunder How could you say that? The movies were amazing, even if they added Tauriel and Legolas to the mix. It added a twist and I liked it. I wouldn't want to watch a movie I just read word for word about... Besides, without the movies I would never of even known and started to read Tolkien's works. The movies made Tolkien's estate and novels so much more rich and popular. Tolkien's owe it to the movies, even if some people think other wise, the facts are there to prove it.
Matthew Dreams
The LotR movies, yes. Those were really good. Cutting out the not so necessary parts to enhance the story as the books tell it and go all out with that.
The Hobbit on the other hand disregraded half of the story and reshaped the rest to be even more epic than LotR was - even though that was never even remotely the book's intention. The dwarfs are barely dwarfs (really, look at them and thell me if "dwarf" would be a description you'd use if you didn't know it), Radagast is a babbling idiot instead of the slightly naive but wise hermit, the eagles are nothing more than Gandalf's pets again (creating even more unnecessary plot holes), they throw in creatures that would never find a place in Tolkien's world, blow up characters where the intention was something entirely different, etc., etc. ...
In the end it's a typical Hollywood action blockbuster inspired by the Hobbit book. They may even be good movies in itself - I don't know - but as a representation of Tolkien's stories they utterly fail.
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So how powerful were dragons? Like on a scale from 1-10, with 10 being Melkor and 1 being just you're average joe?
Ancalagon was probably stronger than Gothmog the chief Balrog. He was immense. Glaurung, Smaug, and others were probably on par with most Balrogs.
You do have to remember, though, that Balrogs were originally Maiar like Sauron and Gandalf, and so were innately more powerful (nothing aside from Eru himself trumps an Ainu), but they were corrupted and diminished in their forms.
Glaurung, though not as powerful as Ancalagon, is my favorite because of how cunning and manipulative he is. He totally screwed Turin over.
Everyone can correct me if I'm wrong, been a while since I read the Silmarillion- but the dragons were powerful enough to push back the Valar (gods of middle earth) and their army in the last(?) battle before morgoth was cast into the void. Ancalagon in particular was very powerful, and helped turn the tide of the battle almost entirely in Morgoths favor, until a guy on a boat with a couple eagles somehow killed him.
Between 7 and 9 I'd say. Sauron was a deceiver, smith and a manipulator. the powerful dragons probably outdid him in sheer destructive capabilities.
How did Morgoth create dragons? Remember he can't create because since he's evil he has no access to the Flame Imperishable of Eru Illuvatar. Perhaps there are good dragons?
Maybe Yavanna created good dragons and Morgoth corrupted them. Perhaps these good dragons lived in Rhun(remember that in Eastern folklore dragons are generally good) and the Easterlings lived in harmony with them.
Yeah, I always had the same question floating around in my mind.
As a casual fan of Tolkien's mythos, who does not know/follow every detail, part of me wanted to imagine that the Dragons were once noble and majestic guardians of Middle Earth (like in "Game of Thrones," if they were even larger, more powerful, more intelligent, and capable of speech). I'd like to think, they were targeted by Morgoth until all of them were either killed or corrupted/seduced into serving the Dark Lord, like many of the Maiar that became Balrogs or Sauron. So only the Dragons remaining were those consumed by pride, wrath, and greed, leaving the entire race of Dragons to forever be a hollow shell of their former glory.
Mark Cobuzzi I believe there may be a few non corrupted ones left which in my opinion are the ones from the fourth age.
If this helps
Morgoth's Ring, "Part Five. Myths Transformed" In Text VIII, Tolkien explains: "I think it must be assumed that 'talking' is not necessarily the sign of the possession of a 'rational soul' or fëa. The Orcs were beasts of humanized shape (to mock Men and Elves) deliberately perverted / converted into a more close resemblance to Men. Their 'talking' was really reeling off 'records' set in them by Melkor. Even their rebellious critical words - he knew about them. Melkor taught them speech and as they bred they inherited this; and they had just as much independence as have, say, dogs or horses of their human masters. This talking was largely echoic (cf. parrots). In The Lord of the Rings Sauron is said to have devised a language for them. [Black Speech] The same sort of thing may be said of Huan and the Eagles: they were taught language by the Valar, and raised to a higher level - but they still had no fëar."
They were probably made to be a perversion of the Eagles.
So going along with my theory that at one point there were(and possibly still are at the time of H and LOTR, just far away from northwestern Middle Earth), Yavanna probably did not teach dragons speech when she created them.
the size scales I keep finding are pretty out of the window. mostly making smaug look like mouse in comparison to ancalagon. how could something so big even exists and how could it be slain by a man that is like a bacteria in comparison. do people just throw logic out completely when they make those.
Size is not everything. There are scale pictures of Ancalagon literally resting between mountains, basically using them as armrests. A creature of this size is bound to have blind spots. If a human could get hold of a black sword, they could perhaps wreak havoc on the beast from the inside. You can be sure of one thing though, the man who brought that thing down would make the armies of Mordor pish emselves.
Well can bacteria kill a man?
coolperson962 yes. yes they can.
It took the Silmarils and a 24 hour flight to take Ancalagon down. People can barely imagine his strength, as you can barely imagine what billions of supernovas can produce together as an energy. Well, that's what was needed to kill the beast.
coolperson962 Ever read War of the Worlds?
is this George takai narrating?
Smaug was the last great fire drake but wasn't the last dragon. There were two dragons during War of the Ring there were Drogoth the Dragon Lord (The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II) and Úrgost the winged fire-drake (The Lord of the Rings: War in the North).
Drogoth who joins Sauron and commands a legion of Goblins, and takes over a Dwarven city in the Blue Mountains as his new lair. But the Elves and Dwarves have slay Drogoth and the Dwarves reclaim their home.
Úrgost who lives in the The Grey Mountains Agandaûr who is the servant Sauron ask the dragon to join him and his master conquest the North. As a reward he word offer him Nordinbad the last hall of the longbeards in the Grey Mountains. But when the three heroes Eradan, the Ranger of Eriador Andriel, the Elven Lore-master of Rivendell and Farin, the dwarf of Erebor come to slay the dragon but Úrgost told them about Agandaûr offer which he has he had no interest in Nordinbad instead he wants Carn Dûm the ancient fortress of the Witch-king of Angmar. But Agandaûr has taken control of Carn Dûm he has no fear against fight Agandaûr for it, but he knew that he would make an enemy of Sauron which he has no wish to make an enemy of the Dark Lord. Instead he promised to the heroes that he would not join Sauron's forces and remain neutral in the war and destroy Agandaûr, if they would turn over Carn Dûm to him, then he also wanted them about Nordinbad been attack by Agandaûr forces.
After the death of Agandaûr and Sauron Úrgost flew to Carn Dûm and had sensed that Sauron was destroyed, and that he had been wise not to ally with him. As promise he leaves Middle-earth in peace and be came king of Carn Dûm and the Dragon of Angmar.
The fate of Úrgost is unknown. But he's the first and last dragon who lives to the fourth age and kinda a anti-hero.
U forgot the dragons that Nazgûls rides and the Witch-King riding beast.
Archlord Elemelist These are not Dragons. Tolkiens calls them Flying Beasts :)
FlashxLight actually there called fell beast not flying beast unless that is another name for them.
There should be a silmarillion movie so we can see glaurung,ancalagon and the other dragons in action.
+Chris Vris its a long story....and its a sad one at that....
It would have to be spread out over several dozen movies because the Silmarillion is so dense. the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit combined take up less than two pages.
haha
hey what's funny about that?
a dragon carrying balrogs on his back, nice
how can dragons have awareness?
So there was no Thorog?
+sinister0077 Only in the LOTR Online game, it is technically non-canon
+CivilizationEx ah
CivilizationEx is that the same for Urgost?
Where do the were-worms of the last desert fit into all of this?
Those are most likely just a tale among the hobbits. Just like the fabled "Mongolian Death Worm" from the Gobi desert...
It's a pity; such a mighty race wiped out, and right after Smaug made dragons interesting again!
I guess Urgost isn't canon?
yep.
Why was Smaug black in the movie???
Jason Roberts I believe he was red in the movies, his actual color was red-gold.
I would think that Ancalagon is older than Glaurung.
Birol Efe The wingless dragons were created before the creation of winged dragons. Glaurung (first of their kind) first appeared on the year 260 of the First Age, during the fourth battle of Beleriand known as Dagor Bragollach (Battle of Sudden Flame). Glaurung was slain by Turin Turambar on the year 501 of the First Age. Ancalagon the Black (first of the winged dragons) first appeared alongside a host of other winged dragons on the year 587 the final year of the First Age, and the final year of the six battle of Beleriand known as the War of Wrath (the greatest war ever fought in Middle-earth). Earendil the Mariner and a myriad of Great Eagles destroyed the winged dragon-host (only two survivors escaped), and Earendil himself upon his sky ship Vingilote with a silmaril in tow fought Ancalagon in a battle that lasted around 24 hours.
Earendil managed to slay Ancalagon, but as a result of being the largest dragon in history his falling dead body shattered Thangorodrim (said to be one of the greatest creations of Morgoth, they were a trio of volcanic mountains and were sighted to be 35000 feet in height and 5 miles in diameter). Ancalagon's death is slated to be one of the key factors of the sinking of Beleriand.
These would make awesome movies in addition to LOTR and The Hobbit
civilization ex i think you forgot dragoth the dragon lord
joshua shutt Non-Canon, in-game only.
Wut are stone drakes anyone?
There are several incorrect terms, as well as some flaws, but decent overall.
5th Age? Do you mean 4th Age?
You forgot the dragon of the war of wrath even though we don't know much about it
Wasn't that the one I killed brutally with ease?