I always get a kick out of it when Owen talks "pilot talk". I have no idea what the heck he's saying, but I'm still impressed. I've been a big fan of JR Garage for a few years and didn't think I'd enjoy JR Aviation as much. I was wrong. I love it! I wish I was younger, because after watching your videos, I've had the urge to learn to fly. But a bit late in life as I'm 71yo. How did that happen so fast?! 😮 Great job Jeffrey and Christian and Owen! Thanks! 😉
You have a very good engine on your hands. An original engine that has never needed attention means it was properly operated always and probably with regular intervals and operated either rich of peak. If I were you, I would learn from the original owner, who I am assuming put the majority of the hours on the engine, what characteristics they looked for in temperatures during operation and mimic those. If you change the way that engine is used to being operated, you will stir the dragon of fate. Many engines go over TBO, you only hear about the failures but many survive past it in the wild. I learned in real estate, you make money when you buy, not when you sell. The same applies to planes. Buy at the right price and you have locked in intrinsic and extrinsic value when the time comes to sell it down the road. Never buy assuming it will go up later and that the price is kind of irrelevant at the current moment.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE AWESOME DEAL!!! 🥳🥳🥳 My suggestion? Just delete all the comments from the trolls. They're just miserable, unhappy people. And jealous, too. Enjoy the Cirrus! What an incredible plane to learn how to fly in😁😁😁 But maybe more fun when it's less than 100 degrees😉
It actually benefits their channel. Regardless of what is posted when UA-cam algorithm sees a video getting interaction be positive or negative it will get pushed up further in the algorithm. Have you ever seen a channel where some of these scammer trolls are posting about how they received the grace of God after meeting blah blah, and now they are receiving the benefits of $50,000 a day or some crap like that and wondered why they aren’t getting deleted by the owner of the channel. It’s because it benefits them.
We had a G1 SR20 for a while, and it was a great airplane that did everything we asked of it! I do miss the comfort of the Cirrus on cross country flights, but the Wagon is just more practical for our needs at the moment. 🍻
You guys are very knowledgeable and able to take the risk. The engine and repack are not small items but you were confident enough to have 3 souls on board for the maiden flight home. Good luck with the aircraft and it as a good video.
Cirrus at one time used to ship certified aircraft to the UK 🇬🇧 for the European market and I used to assemble them here in the UK. I spent a month in Duluth at the factory training. Loved it there and great people in Duluth! I enjoyed working on the aircraft and was a certified chute installer, even spent a limited time behind the stick on test flights. Enjoy guys
I would order a replacement engine right away. Wait times are 6+ months in some cases, it is worth it to just do an overhaul rather than risk being down for a very long time.
Nope they've been buying planes for training, but have their friend fly them everywhere before selling it. Wait for next month when they sell this cirrus
Love your approach in business W/R to Airplanes/Finance. This plane is very well worth it. Engine is doing great and very likely will provide years of flying by just following conservative maintenance regimen. Keep on FLYING!!!
Wow you kids got some awesome business chops to be able to buy such expensive aircraft at your young ages, not to even mention the absurd cost of primary training in this day and age. Your very blessed. Well done guys 👏👏👏👏👏
You guys obviously knew what you were getting into, so sounds like a good buy to me. On a side note: Do they replace the parachute material or just repack? 20 year old parachute didn't sound like a good idea.
I have to give you two credit, I don’t know if I could do what you guys do with flipping cars and airplanes! Well done and I look forward to you both getting your PPL.
As a non-pilot who has never owned anything more expensive than a well-used (3rd owner) car, you got a deal. I would do what the other commenter said and find out how this engine was run and run it the same. The plane is a gem imho.
Great buy. From the video the interior and exterior look well taken care of, and the ADSB and upgraded avionics add to the value. Even needing an engine right away and the parachute, you're still way under what you could sell it for especially when you can advertise 'Very low time engine and lots of years left on the parachute"
10:44 Rain in SDL?! That's rare. Next time you're westbound thru TX, instead of ELP for a fuel stop consider KLRU (Las Cruces NM) where you can get some really good food at "Jim Bob's BBQ" located right on the flightline. Been there done that several times.
I think you got a good buy. As you said, why buy a 60 year old plane for similar money, where you could be looking at major corrosion issues. Keep the great content coming!
I started looking through a couple more of your videos, pretty cools stuff! I'm looking forward to more, but I NEED the next video to be: HOW?! How do you afford this? Such radness must be something you can teach others. Looking forward to more on this SR20.
That fatty that you referred to as a Beluga was a Super Guppy. This is not the same one, but since there were only a few built, it is very similar to the one that I saw years and years ago. In 1968, I was a commercial flight student at Santa Barbara Aviation. The flight school was located across the field from Aero Spacelines where Jack Conroy was developing/building the Super Guppy. One day, I watched the Super Guppy do touch and goes for hours and hours. It may have been doing those for several days when I noticed that it was likely doing a low approach. Nope. It was doing a gear up landing. A few months after the Super Guppy slid down the runway with the wheels still in the wells, I was working at a flight school in Midland, TX. There was a DC-3 stored in our main hangar. When I walked into the school one day, I was asked if I could spot as the ramper got it out for Mr. Conroy. While the ramper was moving the airplane out onto the line, I asked the man if he was "the" Mr. Conroy. He sort of laughed and said that he was one of several, but confirmed that he was the owner of Aero Spacelines. After I told him that I'd been a student at Santa Barbara aviation, he invited me to fly with him as he took the DC-3 back to SBA. Of course, I accepted. During the flight from Midland to Santa Barbara, I mentioned that I was there when the Super Guppy landed with the gear up. Mr. Conroy had been aboard every one of those flights that I saw when the Super Guppy was doing touch and goes. He was in the jump seat and every FAA representative on the west coast that could justify "testing" the flight characteristics of the Super Guppy was flying a few times around the pattern... doing so while Jack watched them spend his money by the basket full. When he saw that the gear was still up on that one approach, he did a quick mental calculation and decided that it was going to be less expensive to let them grind off some aluminum than it was to let them keep flying until each FAA rep got tired of playing. He just tightened his seat built and waited until the Super Guppy slid to a stop. You guys are putting out some great videos so keep up the good work. Thanks.
I live fairly close to Johnson Space Center and see a super guppy every once in a while come into Ellington Field. Pretty awesome to see and they have a very distinct sound. I saw one about two days ago.
I see one of the guppys every now and again when I’m working on the base at Kennedy Space Center. Such an odd looking aircraft but it’s purpose as an oversized load transport for rocket components is rather cool.
I would prefer to purchase a mostly run-out engine. That way, I can have it overhauled or have a factory remanufactured engine installed to my satisfaction. I'll know exactly what was done. I've seen a few engines with minimalist overhauls in aircraft being sold as low time SMOH, demanding top dollar.
Um there is a reason that the engine manufacturer recommends a TBO. They factor in a safety level to keep you safe for a reason. You cant pull over if the engine fails in flight ! Recommendation = get it overhauled. Interesting on the BRS as well. Its there to save your lives and it has done so a number of times on the Cirrus for pilots. Don’t try and save a buck on safety related items. Skip the cabin tidy up and spend on the stuff that prevents an accident or subsequently saves your lives.
Crazy like a fox! Well done. It might be better to have a mechanic price the upcoming major before you have any issues rather than after observing that a significant issue has developed.
I think you nailed the price, got a opportunity to fix everything and have 5%-10% profit on your hands. The ask for a ready to go sr20 1gen has increased to around 219k. Thanks for making these videos.
Did you do a pre-buy, the most important thing is the camshaft and those are easy to inspect also if the lifters are spoiled they could be replaced and I think they're only 150 a piece. Continental has a service bolten on that if you follow that you might be able to get another thousand hours out of the engine. TBO is only a recommendation it's not required under part 91.
Made similar trip from Austin to Sacramento in a 1968 Cessna Cardinal I bought. Right main brake failed on landing at El Paso. Stops at Albuquerque, Sky Harbor, Bakersfield, then Lincoln just north of Sacramento.
How can you fly 2 passengers on a plane that the chute is no longer legal. The cirrus it is a required part for it certificate airworthiness, spin recovery. Were you on a ferry permit ?
No question the Parachute and the Engine time were BIG factors in the price paid. Still if you've got the cubic dollars to take care of those things and any other squawks, it should make a great trainer indeed. Sign me up. Short flight from SDL to CGZ
10:16 Thats funny, thats the exact same super guppy that was at oshkosh this year. Its flown by nasa specifically to be able to carry outsized cargo that wont fit on any other plane in the world
There's a great book that talks about airplane engines. Mike Busch on Engines: “The risk of engine failure is greatest when your engine is young, NOT when it’s old. You should worry more about pediatrics than geriatrics.” -Mike Busch A&P/IA
I bought and sold turbo Moonies, (still have one) and Cessna singles up to T-210's, and when I put the math in it, doesn't appear to pencil out much profit. Lessee... $50-65k for an Air Power IO360 reman installed, $20-35k into a chute repack and $5k+/- for the odds and ends... plus quite a bit of downtime, Many Continental IO360s are out of stock. Might have to sit on it for a while until the market catches up to the asking price you'll need to get. (Some of the higher prices are in Europe, but you'll factor in $10k+ to ferry to US.)
Runout aircraft can be great deals, if you are able to accept the downtime. For private owners with a single aircraft that can be a huge downer as you're often still stuck with the fixed expenses of owning an aircraft, but without an aircraft to fly for maybe 6 months. For deal-savvy, multi-aircraft owners like you, blaze ahead towards glory.
I work for an operation where we run lycoming engines to 4000 before overhaul. I wouldn’t stress about the high time engine too much. But I saw something in this video that is a #1 issue that over time results with needing top overhauls done. Pilots all love arguing about it but LEAN OF PEAK. If my opinion matters to anyone I just want to say do not fly lean of peak. This creates excess heat in the cylinders and reduces their life span. Fly rich of peak and build oil temp before run ups. Then we can all have fun flying around in our high time engines.
Read and watch Mike Busch on when to overhaul and the 5000 hour TBO engine. All those who are telling you to overhaul now do not understand that TBO has little basis in science. Fly the plane, do oil analysis and filter inspection with every oil change, and watch the trends. You are likely to get another 500-1000 hours or more if you fly it regularly and keep it hangared.
Pardon my ignorance, but is a parachute necessary? Since it is to be used as a "training" aircraft doesn't that work against student pilots. The point is to learn how to fly safely using AQP, ( Ptobable Cause. Dan Grider), building a knowledge base, and not just to the point of knowing when to throw out the chute. What are the numbers of Cirrus fatals with the chute? Is this a safe way to save a ship load of $$,$$$ on the used market? Thank you.
Good afternoon, at 2:30 minutes you are taking notes on a tablet, can you please tell me which tablet and what application it is, thank you very much, continue with your videos, I will see you some day!
So is the only reason for the schreadar valve to purge oil out of the filter and create an extra step? Why can’t you just punch a couple holes in the filter and let it drain? Check valves on both sides of the filter?
I flew to San Antonio in a Mooney 252 right along the Mexico Border, There was a radar balloon on a cable at 15,000 feet. It was marked on a chart. I just wondered if it was still there.
Wait, the parachute costs 27k to repack etc every ten years. So 2700 dollars per year or roughly 250 dollars per month goes to the upkeep of that parachute, no matter if you fly the plane or not? For a light airplane? That's ridiculous!
it all depends on how much money you have in the first place. and then your mission. it doesn't matter what "you" or any "other guy" does. If you like the deal for yourself, it's a good deal. what the market is doing is irrelevant. If I want to spend $200K on a 172, who cares? It's my money and my values. On the other hand, if I'm a broker or thinking of the airplane as a profit center or asset or part of or actual business, then I need to consider what the market "thinks" as I'll be unloading it, and then I need to know what other people are paying for similar or identical products. As for your particular SR20, the avionics are old, the engine is old, the parachute is old. If I were buying it for my use, I'd upgrade the avionics, engine, parachute, control cable/rods, minimally, figure out what that would cost and then consider whether this particular bird was worth it vis.a.vis the market and my time frame of purchase...
The look on Jeff's face when he was aked the get the IFR clearance.😂😂😂😂 I know the feeling!! I remember my reading back my first IFR clearance with ny instructor...u talkin crazy butterflies in the stomach! We were at a airport where the controllers were known for grilling pilots for long or improper two way communications!! It was tons of fun anyway!!
I saw this plane in your latest video on the Zodiac and it is STILL grounded because of the parachute! These things add weight and about $3k per year in maintenance costs. Sounds good on paper, but not in reality.
You will also need to look at the avionics upgrade if you don't mind. Those 430s don't look like WAAS and six-pack? really? Garmin won't even upgrade those anymore. S-Tec 55X A/P was mostly standard for Cirrus. We see many problems with Servos and connecting hardware failing in those early A/Ps units. Many are removing everything and upgrading to IFD stack or GTN package systems. But that will be the last thing after Engine and Parachute. Hint, reduce time in the shop and find a place that is a Maintenance and Avionics shop and have everything done simultaneously.
Being that close to the Super Guppy in El Paso is wild isn’t it? When I was a kid that thing used to fly over my house next to NASA all the time. I was getting gas at ELP a few years ago in my Mooney and my friends were laughing at me getting so excited seeing it up close!
Continentals have a solid bottom end - they don’t eat cams like Lycomings.. Has it been topped - might get away with just putting some cylinders on it and continuing..
I am interested in you tracking the various fuel costs across the country. Any chance you can talk about the landing fees at these airports ? Stay passionate and true. Hello from London, UK : - )
Don't wait for problems with the engine to show up, likely while in flight. Put the $100k into the new engine, prop and parachute servicing now, and fly with confidence.
You'd be throwing away an engine that has proven itself over 2500 hours and shows no signs of failure for one that is an unknown commodity, completely unproven. The old one will start putting metal into the filter, or rings will stick and it'll lose compression, something like that. That's when you overhaul the engine. Then you fly behind a new engine for ~200 hours with your rear end slightly puckered up because "who knows?" You watch it closely, with a borescope and all of that, but you don't throw it away.
@@mattj65816 Never thrown away, the old one is a core trade-in. And the new one isn't an "unknown commodity, completely unproven". That's ridiculous, it's a factory new engine with warranty and tested before delivery and installation. Since when is a factory new engine the riskier proposition over one that's well past TBO?
No punt or meaness intended just curious I think it's JR the one in the front seat white jacket (sorry new to the channel) but does he have a pilots license or looking to be come one ?
So we no longer yell “clear prop” before starting the engine? It has been a few years since I piloted a SEL, but this was drilled into me at an early age.
I'm A&P I think you got a good deal, sure it might need an over haul later until then have fun and keep and eye on the engine oil consumption and change it regularly . later
Prices in Cirrus aircraft have been linear for a long time, based on engine time and repack or none. The repack causes a distinct drop in sales price. It’s a fairly homogenous fleet other than avionics changes through the years, and shows the market is fairly “smart” about ownership costs.
Yes, you have to be certified aircraft mechanic and there very specific items that have to be done during a rebuild. There’s weight and balance considerations.
Yes I would if I had the financial means. That is a very desirable ship. 2500 hour engine using only 1/2 qt in 8 hours ….. that isn’t an immediate worry by any stretch and TBO is only a manufacturer recommendation. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I just walked away from an Archer II that was showing bare aluminum in many places and a 1200 hr O360 using 1 qt every 4 hrs. That was too much gamble and expense for an Archer at the price point.
Spot on! That sounds like a strong engine to me - the IO-360 is a strong engine and not as fiddly as the 6 bangers in the SR-22. $112K is a DAMN GOOD deal.
Legit business practice: buy cheep with cash, improve it, and get the value out of it as use or capital gains Good showmanship! Keep your equity turning over. And propose to Sasha already... sheesh
You will have $178,622 in it after the parachute and the reman engine.. thats not counting labor to R and R the engine, get it passed an annual. and you will have a nice low time airframe with a 0 hour engine.. Good buy if they are selling for $179
Can you do a video regarding Mike Patey’s video regarding his engine loss? He is an awesome person for the Aviation community! IMHO this was a Scary situation to be in!!
Did you have someone do a title search or how did you make sure there weren’t any liens on it? Is buying an airplane like buying a car, is there a title?
@anin7091 USA registered aircraft do not have titles, only FAA Registration. However, if liens are filed with the FAA on a particular aircraft, that lien remains effective against that aircraft until released by lien holder or their successors. I have bought a few planes with liens long since satisfied but never released because the owner(s) or financial institutions don’t always ‘think’ of it, presumably because there is no title document in their possession. I found those old liens by doing a pre-purchase ‘title search’ (odd name since there is no title. You are merely search FAA records for a lien attachment) and usually did the legwork myself to obtain the release if they had already been satisfied. If money was still owed, I worked with the Seller and finance institution to insure proper, timely and complete lien resolution.
I always get a kick out of it when Owen talks "pilot talk". I have no idea what the heck he's saying, but I'm still impressed. I've been a big fan of JR Garage for a few years and didn't think I'd enjoy JR Aviation as much. I was wrong. I love it! I wish I was younger, because after watching your videos, I've had the urge to learn to fly. But a bit late in life as I'm 71yo. How did that happen so fast?! 😮 Great job Jeffrey and Christian and Owen! Thanks! 😉
You could always make the decision to fly no matter how old you are as flying has no age restrictions
You have a very good engine on your hands. An original engine that has never needed attention means it was properly operated always and probably with regular intervals and operated either rich of peak. If I were you, I would learn from the original owner, who I am assuming put the majority of the hours on the engine, what characteristics they looked for in temperatures during operation and mimic those. If you change the way that engine is used to being operated, you will stir the dragon of fate. Many engines go over TBO, you only hear about the failures but many survive past it in the wild.
I learned in real estate, you make money when you buy, not when you sell. The same applies to planes. Buy at the right price and you have locked in intrinsic and extrinsic value when the time comes to sell it down the road. Never buy assuming it will go up later and that the price is kind of irrelevant at the current moment.
Listen to this guy - he engines.
Nicely said! Agree 1000%
Dont you mean lean of peak?
@@francescaf7967 Rich or lean of peak I meant to write. The point is, duplicate the behavior the previous owner exercised.
Next video: "How we saved $25k repacking the chute ourselves!!"
Hahah if only we could 😂
My kid is an FAA certified mechanic. Maybe he should pick up packing Cirrus chutes as a side hustle.
Lol. Owner assisted rocket science.
@@JRAviationDo you have to have the parachute? Local cirrus accident seemed to be worse because of the parachute deployment.
@@grant092987 No one has died in a Cirrus when CAPS deployed above 1,000' AGL and below Vne (200 kts indicated)
Sounds like a well thought out decision on the purchase. A similar plane with a low time engine is no more predictable than what you bought. 20:18
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE AWESOME DEAL!!! 🥳🥳🥳 My suggestion? Just delete all the comments from the trolls. They're just miserable, unhappy people. And jealous, too.
Enjoy the Cirrus! What an incredible plane to learn how to fly in😁😁😁 But maybe more fun when it's less than 100 degrees😉
It actually benefits their channel. Regardless of what is posted when UA-cam algorithm sees a video getting interaction be positive or negative it will get pushed up further in the algorithm. Have you ever seen a channel where some of these scammer trolls are posting about how they received the grace of God after meeting blah blah, and now they are receiving the benefits of $50,000 a day or some crap like that and wondered why they aren’t getting deleted by the owner of the channel. It’s because it benefits them.
We had a G1 SR20 for a while, and it was a great airplane that did everything we asked of it! I do miss the comfort of the Cirrus on cross country flights, but the Wagon is just more practical for our needs at the moment. 🍻
It’ll be a great day when JR posts
This is legitimately amazing!!! I love seeing all of this progress going on and getting better and better.
You guys are very knowledgeable and able to take the risk. The engine and repack are not small items but you were confident enough to have 3 souls on board for the maiden flight home.
Good luck with the aircraft and it as a good video.
Cirrus at one time used to ship certified aircraft to the UK 🇬🇧 for the European market and I used to assemble them here in the UK. I spent a month in Duluth at the factory training. Loved it there and great people in Duluth! I enjoyed working on the aircraft and was a certified chute installer, even spent a limited time behind the stick on test flights. Enjoy guys
I would order a replacement engine right away. Wait times are 6+ months in some cases, it is worth it to just do an overhaul rather than risk being down for a very long time.
Or risk being down when you wanna be up
@@toddsimone7182true that
I'd second this. Order the new engine now, and sell your old one onto an overhaul station.
New to the channel. Do the 2 guys at the beginning ever pilot the plane?
Nope they've been buying planes for training, but have their friend fly them everywhere before selling it. Wait for next month when they sell this cirrus
Love your approach in business W/R to Airplanes/Finance. This plane is very well worth it. Engine is doing great and very likely will provide years of flying by just following conservative maintenance regimen. Keep on FLYING!!!
The previous owner should be commended for taking excellent care of his engine to make it to 2,500 hrs and counting. Will it make it to 3,000 hrs?
Wow you kids got some awesome business chops to be able to buy such expensive aircraft at your young ages, not to even mention the absurd cost of primary training in this day and age. Your very blessed. Well done guys 👏👏👏👏👏
You guys obviously knew what you were getting into, so sounds like a good buy to me.
On a side note: Do they replace the parachute material or just repack? 20 year old parachute didn't sound like a good idea.
The whole thing is replaced.
@@cypilotiowan4761 repack had me confused. Thanks
wow $20k to have something replaced you're not likely to use!@@cypilotiowan4761
You should do a video explaining why you guys aren’t licensed pilots yet!
I have to give you two credit, I don’t know if I could do what you guys do with flipping cars and airplanes! Well done and I look forward to you both getting your PPL.
It’s a lot of fun (and stress) but making fun content is the best part of this!
I doubt they will ever get licensed.
@@danblumel Why do you say that?
@@CCGR-2024 It is easy when you didnt have to start from scratch and had cash flow from family.
As a non-pilot who has never owned anything more expensive than a well-used (3rd owner) car, you got a deal. I would do what the other commenter said and find out how this engine was run and run it the same. The plane is a gem imho.
Great video. Is the young man in the right seat ever going to get his pilot’s license?
I highly doubt it.
Great buy. From the video the interior and exterior look well taken care of, and the ADSB and upgraded avionics add to the value. Even needing an engine right away and the parachute, you're still way under what you could sell it for especially when you can advertise 'Very low time engine and lots of years left on the parachute"
10:14 OMG A SUPER GUPPY! The only one still flying!
10:44 Rain in SDL?! That's rare.
Next time you're westbound thru TX, instead of ELP for a fuel stop consider KLRU (Las Cruces NM) where you can get some really good food at "Jim Bob's BBQ" located right on the flightline. Been there done that several times.
I think you got a good buy. As you said, why buy a 60 year old plane for similar money, where you could be looking at major corrosion issues. Keep the great content coming!
I started looking through a couple more of your videos, pretty cools stuff! I'm looking forward to more, but I NEED the next video to be: HOW?! How do you afford this? Such radness must be something you can teach others. Looking forward to more on this SR20.
They have another bigger channel for exotic cars (JR garage) which probably feeds the capital a fair bit.... Next channel, JR finance maybe?! 😂
That fatty that you referred to as a Beluga was a Super Guppy. This is not the same one, but since there were only a few built, it is very similar to the one that I saw years and years ago. In 1968, I was a commercial flight student at Santa Barbara Aviation. The flight school was located across the field from Aero Spacelines where Jack Conroy was developing/building the Super Guppy. One day, I watched the Super Guppy do touch and goes for hours and hours. It may have been doing those for several days when I noticed that it was likely doing a low approach. Nope. It was doing a gear up landing.
A few months after the Super Guppy slid down the runway with the wheels still in the wells, I was working at a flight school in Midland, TX. There was a DC-3 stored in our main hangar. When I walked into the school one day, I was asked if I could spot as the ramper got it out for Mr. Conroy. While the ramper was moving the airplane out onto the line, I asked the man if he was "the" Mr. Conroy. He sort of laughed and said that he was one of several, but confirmed that he was the owner of Aero Spacelines. After I told him that I'd been a student at Santa Barbara aviation, he invited me to fly with him as he took the DC-3 back to SBA. Of course, I accepted.
During the flight from Midland to Santa Barbara, I mentioned that I was there when the Super Guppy landed with the gear up.
Mr. Conroy had been aboard every one of those flights that I saw when the Super Guppy was doing touch and goes. He was in the jump seat and every FAA representative on the west coast that could justify "testing" the flight characteristics of the Super Guppy was flying a few times around the pattern... doing so while Jack watched them spend his money by the basket full. When he saw that the gear was still up on that one approach, he did a quick mental calculation and decided that it was going to be less expensive to let them grind off some aluminum than it was to let them keep flying until each FAA rep got tired of playing. He just tightened his seat built and waited until the Super Guppy slid to a stop.
You guys are putting out some great videos so keep up the good work. Thanks.
I live fairly close to Johnson Space Center and see a super guppy every once in a while come into Ellington Field. Pretty awesome to see and they have a very distinct sound. I saw one about two days ago.
You can only find gems like this comment on aviation videos. Well done sir and quite fascinating.
I see one of the guppys every now and again when I’m working on the base at Kennedy Space Center. Such an odd looking aircraft but it’s purpose as an oversized load transport for rocket components is rather cool.
I would prefer to purchase a mostly run-out engine. That way, I can have it overhauled or have a factory remanufactured engine installed to my satisfaction. I'll know exactly what was done. I've seen a few engines with minimalist overhauls in aircraft being sold as low time SMOH, demanding top dollar.
This comment right here. Get the high time engine in a low squak airframe and have it overhauled your way.
well they didnt buy a rebuild. they got the one that needs one, with the bonus that it still goes great...
Um there is a reason that the engine manufacturer recommends a TBO. They factor in a safety level to keep you safe for a reason. You cant pull over if the engine fails in flight ! Recommendation = get it overhauled. Interesting on the BRS as well. Its there to save your lives and it has done so a number of times on the Cirrus for pilots. Don’t try and save a buck on safety related items. Skip the cabin tidy up and spend on the stuff that prevents an accident or subsequently saves your lives.
Yes, you guys did the right thing. 112,000 is a good buy. Even after you spend the money to bring it up to current.
do the updates including an engine overhaul, and flip it. You'd still be way ahead.
Crazy like a fox! Well done. It might be better to have a mechanic price the upcoming major before you have any issues rather than after observing that a significant issue has developed.
10:11 Supper Guppy! Saw it land and take off at Oshkosh
I think you nailed the price, got a opportunity to fix everything and have 5%-10% profit on your hands. The ask for a ready to go sr20 1gen has increased to around 219k.
Thanks for making these videos.
How much is an engine replacement for this aircraft??
Did you do a pre-buy, the most important thing is the camshaft and those are easy to inspect also if the lifters are spoiled they could be replaced and I think they're only 150 a piece. Continental has a service bolten on that if you follow that you might be able to get another thousand hours out of the engine. TBO is only a recommendation it's not required under part 91.
Made similar trip from Austin to Sacramento in a 1968 Cessna Cardinal I bought. Right main brake failed on landing at El Paso. Stops at Albuquerque, Sky Harbor, Bakersfield, then Lincoln just north of Sacramento.
How can you fly 2 passengers on a plane that the chute is no longer legal. The cirrus it is a required part for it certificate airworthiness, spin recovery. Were you on a ferry permit ?
This was before it expired
No question the Parachute and the Engine time were BIG factors in the price paid. Still if you've got the cubic dollars to take care of those things and any other squawks, it should make a great trainer indeed. Sign me up. Short flight from SDL to CGZ
10:16 Thats funny, thats the exact same super guppy that was at oshkosh this year. Its flown by nasa specifically to be able to carry outsized cargo that wont fit on any other plane in the world
Woah! Small world
There's a great book that talks about airplane engines. Mike Busch on Engines: “The risk of engine failure is greatest when your engine is young, NOT when it’s old. You should worry more about pediatrics than geriatrics.” -Mike Busch A&P/IA
I bought and sold turbo Moonies, (still have one) and Cessna singles up to T-210's, and when I put the math in it, doesn't appear to pencil out much profit. Lessee... $50-65k for an Air Power IO360 reman installed, $20-35k into a chute repack and $5k+/- for the odds and ends... plus quite a bit of downtime, Many Continental IO360s are out of stock. Might have to sit on it for a while until the market catches up to the asking price you'll need to get. (Some of the higher prices are in Europe, but you'll factor in $10k+ to ferry to US.)
Runout aircraft can be great deals, if you are able to accept the downtime. For private owners with a single aircraft that can be a huge downer as you're often still stuck with the fixed expenses of owning an aircraft, but without an aircraft to fly for maybe 6 months. For deal-savvy, multi-aircraft owners like you, blaze ahead towards glory.
Hey welcome to Texas. I live about 60 miles north of Odessa. Sorry about the winds but that’s what us Texas pilots have to deal with!
I work for an operation where we run lycoming engines to 4000 before overhaul. I wouldn’t stress about the high time engine too much. But I saw something in this video that is a #1 issue that over time results with needing top overhauls done. Pilots all love arguing about it but LEAN OF PEAK. If my opinion matters to anyone I just want to say do not fly lean of peak. This creates excess heat in the cylinders and reduces their life span. Fly rich of peak and build oil temp before run ups. Then we can all have fun flying around in our high time engines.
I thought so too until I read Mike Busch's books.
Read and watch Mike Busch on when to overhaul and the 5000 hour TBO engine. All those who are telling you to overhaul now do not understand that TBO has little basis in science. Fly the plane, do oil analysis and filter inspection with every oil change, and watch the trends. You are likely to get another 500-1000 hours or more if you fly it regularly and keep it hangared.
Totally agreed
Pardon my ignorance, but is a parachute necessary? Since it is to be used as a "training" aircraft doesn't that work against student pilots. The point is to learn how to fly safely using AQP, ( Ptobable Cause. Dan Grider), building a knowledge base, and not just to the point of knowing when to throw out the chute. What are the numbers of Cirrus fatals with the chute? Is this a safe way to save a ship load of $$,$$$ on the used market? Thank you.
It is a requirement for possible spin recovery. It was certified with the CAPS chute, it is required equipment.
Good afternoon, at 2:30 minutes you are taking notes on a tablet, can you please tell me which tablet and what application it is, thank you very much, continue with your videos, I will see you some day!
iPad mini and ForeFlight
@@andrewMalektannirlooks like an iPad Pro 12.9" to me
You survived a landing at El Paso! I'm impressed!
So is the only reason for the schreadar valve to purge oil out of the filter and create an extra step? Why can’t you just punch a couple holes in the filter and let it drain? Check valves on both sides of the filter?
Congrats….like seeing you guys chasing your dreams!!!! Oh yea, when are you getting your pilots licenses?
I’m
Curious as to why you don’t have your pilots license as of now, especially the amount of planes you all own!
Which is more reliable the Cessna or the Cirrus SR22?
I flew to San Antonio in a Mooney 252 right along the Mexico Border, There was a radar balloon on a cable at 15,000 feet. It was marked on a chart. I just wondered if it was still there.
Would you ever consider getting an experimental?
I remember doing my 2nd Solo Nav getting slammed by a 50 knt headwind and had to revised my SAR time 3 times.
I literally fly my Cessna out of Austin Executive. Hope you had a good time here in Texas 😎
That loose IPad in the cockpit gives me the creeps… a wrong move and it can fly in the pedals. It happened already.
Wait, the parachute costs 27k to repack etc every ten years. So 2700 dollars per year or roughly 250 dollars per month goes to the upkeep of that parachute, no matter if you fly the plane or not? For a light airplane? That's ridiculous!
Yes, correct
Sky diver are required to bag there parachute, they had to take training courses.
The football field next odessa airport. Was the field on Friday night lights, with Tim Mcgraw.
it all depends on how much money you have in the first place. and then your mission. it doesn't matter what "you" or any "other guy" does. If you like the deal for yourself, it's a good deal. what the market is doing is irrelevant. If I want to spend $200K on a 172, who cares? It's my money and my values. On the other hand, if I'm a broker or thinking of the airplane as a profit center or asset or part of or actual business, then I need to consider what the market "thinks" as I'll be unloading it, and then I need to know what other people are paying for similar or identical products. As for your particular SR20, the avionics are old, the engine is old, the parachute is old. If I were buying it for my use, I'd upgrade the avionics, engine, parachute, control cable/rods, minimally, figure out what that would cost and then consider whether this particular bird was worth it vis.a.vis the market and my time frame of purchase...
What site do you use to search for planes?
The look on Jeff's face when he was aked the get the IFR clearance.😂😂😂😂 I know the feeling!! I remember my reading back my first IFR clearance with ny instructor...u talkin crazy butterflies in the stomach! We were at a airport where the controllers were known for grilling pilots for long or improper two way communications!! It was tons of fun anyway!!
I saw this plane in your latest video on the Zodiac and it is STILL grounded because of the parachute! These things add weight and about $3k per year in maintenance costs. Sounds good on paper, but not in reality.
Well sir the previous owner of the SR20 "had an ace up his sleeve" with the plane being in current annual inspection.
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Great video as always
Great stuff .. Owen he’s is good at what he does 👍
You will also need to look at the avionics upgrade if you don't mind. Those 430s don't look like WAAS and six-pack? really? Garmin won't even upgrade those anymore. S-Tec 55X A/P was mostly standard for Cirrus. We see many problems with Servos and connecting hardware failing in those early A/Ps units. Many are removing everything and upgrading to IFD stack or GTN package systems. But that will be the last thing after Engine and Parachute. Hint, reduce time in the shop and find a place that is a Maintenance and Avionics shop and have everything done simultaneously.
That "weird" Beluga is what got us to the moon :-)
Well done guys! We office at KSDL….Would be great to meet sometime and discuss “Birds & Hangars”…..
Being that close to the Super Guppy in El Paso is wild isn’t it? When I was a kid that thing used to fly over my house next to NASA all the time. I was getting gas at ELP a few years ago in my Mooney and my friends were laughing at me getting so excited seeing it up close!
Awesome deal…what forum are we talking about??? I’m going to be in the market for an airplane soon… thanks
Can someone explain what he was doing while turning the key back and forth? I could swear the engine was already on
Mag check
@@JRAviation I appreciate the response! I would have never guessed that.
20:05 $16,000 plane you say🤔? I definitely want to see that video.
Continentals have a solid bottom end - they don’t eat cams like Lycomings.. Has it been topped - might get away with just putting some cylinders on it and continuing..
10:17
Oooohh, a Super Guppy,
I’d personally say a 7/10 rarity😍
(The new and updated Airbus Beluga is its replacement)
Curious, why the five second count to full throttle on takeoff?
I am interested in you tracking the various fuel costs across the country. Any chance you can talk about the landing fees at these airports ? Stay passionate and true. Hello from London, UK : - )
I’m with Owen. Couldn’t give me a cirrus for free. 😎
Hurray ….long time no see …hi Christian 😍
Isnt Scotsdale where Big Erm flys his Cirrus out of ?
It sounds like a great little plane and good value for what it offers. Hope ya have heaps of fun flying it.
Don't wait for problems with the engine to show up, likely while in flight. Put the $100k into the new engine, prop and parachute servicing now, and fly with confidence.
You'd be throwing away an engine that has proven itself over 2500 hours and shows no signs of failure for one that is an unknown commodity, completely unproven. The old one will start putting metal into the filter, or rings will stick and it'll lose compression, something like that. That's when you overhaul the engine. Then you fly behind a new engine for ~200 hours with your rear end slightly puckered up because "who knows?"
You watch it closely, with a borescope and all of that, but you don't throw it away.
@@mattj65816 Never thrown away, the old one is a core trade-in. And the new one isn't an "unknown commodity, completely unproven". That's ridiculous, it's a factory new engine with warranty and tested before delivery and installation. Since when is a factory new engine the riskier proposition over one that's well past TBO?
I'd much rather fly behind this engine that has a proven life span than a new one with zero run time.
No punt or meaness intended just curious I think it's JR the one in the front seat white jacket (sorry new to the channel) but does he have a pilots license or looking to be come one ?
So we no longer yell “clear prop” before starting the engine?
It has been a few years since I piloted a SEL, but this was drilled into me at an early age.
I sometimes just cut that from the video.
You guys are really fun and interesting to watch.
I'm A&P I think you got a good deal, sure it might need an over haul later until then have fun and keep and eye on the engine oil consumption and change it regularly . later
Why is the parachute mandatory? Other aircraft don’t have them?
Yes unfortunately
Prices in Cirrus aircraft have been linear for a long time, based on engine time and repack or none. The repack causes a distinct drop in sales price. It’s a fairly homogenous fleet other than avionics changes through the years, and shows the market is fairly “smart” about ownership costs.
Always good to watch
I'd start shopping for a zero time engine since the prices won't drop. Well bought though!
Oh yeah...I would have jumped on that smoking deal in a heart beat...I love those SR20....!!!
Keep the videos coming y’all I love the content let’s see some more of the bonanza you and your team just rebuilt she’s a beautiful bird 🦅
Your "Beluga" is actually a "Super Guppy", purpose built to carry pieces of the Apollo rocket parts. Its origins were as a B29 bomber.
nope origin was a Boeing 377 Stratocruiser
@@TheDreamlineGT I stand corrected, sort of. All were derived from the B-29, and some b377's started as B29's.
Hi guys, what about a prop overhaul? It’s do every 10 years. I have a 2003 SR20, both getting done now. Thanks for the video.
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10 year prop is not required for air worthiness, you can keep going if it looks good.
Do you need to be certified to do an engine overhaul? I'd just as soon order the parts and do the work myself.
Yes, you have to be certified aircraft mechanic and there very specific items that have to be done during a rebuild. There’s weight and balance considerations.
Yes I would if I had the financial means. That is a very desirable ship. 2500 hour engine using only 1/2 qt in 8 hours ….. that isn’t an immediate worry by any stretch and TBO is only a manufacturer recommendation. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. I just walked away from an Archer II that was showing bare aluminum in many places and a 1200 hr O360 using 1 qt every 4 hrs. That was too much gamble and expense for an Archer at the price point.
Spot on! That sounds like a strong engine to me - the IO-360 is a strong engine and not as fiddly as the 6 bangers in the SR-22. $112K is a DAMN GOOD deal.
Legit business practice: buy cheep with cash, improve it, and get the value out of it as use or capital gains
Good showmanship!
Keep your equity turning over.
And propose to Sasha already... sheesh
You will have $178,622 in it after the parachute and the reman engine.. thats not counting labor to R and R the engine, get it passed an annual. and you will have a nice low time airframe with a 0 hour engine.. Good buy if they are selling for $179
Can you do a video regarding Mike Patey’s video regarding his engine loss? He is an awesome person for the Aviation community! IMHO this was a Scary situation to be in!!
Did you have someone do a title search or how did you make sure there weren’t any liens on it? Is buying an airplane like buying a car, is there a title?
@anin7091 USA registered aircraft do not have titles, only FAA Registration. However, if liens are filed with the FAA on a particular aircraft, that lien remains effective against that aircraft until released by lien holder or their successors. I have bought a few planes with liens long since satisfied but never released because the owner(s) or financial institutions don’t always ‘think’ of it, presumably because there is no title document in their possession.
I found those old liens by doing a pre-purchase ‘title search’ (odd name since there is no title. You are merely search FAA records for a lien attachment) and usually did the legwork myself to obtain the release if they had already been satisfied. If money was still owed, I worked with the Seller and finance institution to insure proper, timely and complete lien resolution.
Well done both with the video and the purchase. Just out of curiosity what does an engine rebuild cost?
20-30k
50k