Revitalize Your uPVC Door! Spraying with Kolorbond Original
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
- KolorBond and uPVC go hand in hand...
Listen up, folks! Are you tired of your boring white uPVC door? Want to give it a sleek, modern look? Well, I've got just the thing for you - KolorBond Original!
I'm back again to show you how to spray your uPVC door with KolorBond Classic. In this video, I'll be transforming a white uPVC door into a beautiful RAL7016 anthracite color. And don't worry if you're a beginner - I'll guide you through every step of the process.
First things first, we need to clean that door until it sparkles. Then, we'll set up our trusty HVLP spray gun (if you're not familiar with that, check out my previous video). And finally, it's time to start spraying!
But wait, there's more! If you want even more tips and tricks, check out my uPVC window video for more info.
And last but not least, the question you've all been waiting for - how much should you charge for this kind of work? Well, that's up to you, my friend. Just don't forget to factor in the cost of the KolorBond Original and your precious time.
So what are you waiting for? Grab your spray gun and let's make that uPVC door shine! (Disclaimer: This is not a sponsored post, I just really love KolorBond Original.)
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hi phil all the tips and advice you have given us all about spraying pvc windows and doors over time i sprayed my first pvc window yesterday for customer in there bathroom from white to black satin finish to match there new shower unit i preped it then after every coat i lightly sanded it it come out brand new you are a dimond 👍
Rightly said:"... doing the jobs that makes the money". Well presented insights throughout, thanks!
Glad you liked it.
Beautiful job mate. With all the prepping you done, it well worth £250.
Looking forward to more videos from you.
Excellent job.retired from the painting game .slogged all me life for little money.i like the way you operste good man.
Thanks for the kind words. A good living to me made from decorating, it's tapping into where the money is. You can't run a business on £120 a day.. like many do. It's educating people to think differently about the trade.
Where is the dough in it??@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
@@RBC0405 what do you mean?
Only man on UA-cam painting upvc correctly 👌
I appreciate that! please watch some of my other spray vids, like share and comment, it makes me feel special ;)
Joking apart, if you do it, you have to do it right, remove as much as possible, clean it all down, dry off and alight waft coat to start with, then build u from there. a nice wet coat to finish. Job done. If you've seen the follow up visiting jobs I've done. That door is holding up very well.
Lol i don't mind making you feel special. Phil Is the kolorbond that your using cellulose based?
@@rossmcculloch187 yep, you've watch all the video.. dried in minutes.
Whos the best supplier of kolorbond
@@rossmcculloch187 I just ring KolorBond directly.
Great video Phil, thanks for taking the time to do these ,really easy to follow.The pricing is exactly what i was thinking
Cheers. None of us should be selling ourselves short.
Good video Phil,
Good Video mate very intuitive , sprayed my fences outside last year [big curve] had never sprayed before, what a transition, anything is doable these days, just like the “knowledge” you provide , Cheers Mate
You must be earning too much money, turning up in your Tesla to the job ;-) Very informative video. We are completing on an onward house move this Friday, and it is a probate that needs a ton of work. First job is to make the outside front look much more appealing. Many friends have said do the inside first, but as we will be pulling in and out of the drive numerous times a day, we want the front of the house done to give us a lovely welcome each time, so I'm researching spray painting the windows and door and garage door to the front. This is by far the best video and explanation. I'm not sure I am ready to take the front door completely apart like you have, but in for a penny, in for a pound and all that jazz :-)
lol the customers Telsa.. she's a very successful solicitor.
Houses do look good if you can get them to have kerb appeal :)
keep me posted how you go on. :)
Great video, well Impressed and very informative
Glad you liked it!
£250 is spot on Phil . And well worth it.
Brilliant job Phil and great video 😎👍🏻
Luke
Laetus Homes
Thanks 👍
Good on you Phil , I thought about this a few years back , but never took it any further . I am what the industry calls an Double Glazing Service Engineer
Hi Phil, I'm new to your channel as I stumbled across it the other night while chilling out at Butlins in skeggy(the life hey).....
I've just bought my first sprayer(Graco gx21df) and I'm going on a paint tech course next month. I've been watching Pete from Paint HQ(I'm guessing you might know him).... I've learnt so much from him and now your videos are also helping immensley. Going through each step as you do really helps us. I'm hoping in the near future you get a kitchen spraying job, it would be great to see you doing one of those. I aiming to be able to put my brush down and spray literally everything I do within a few years as I'm knocking on a bit and rolling ceilings out ain't helping my neck.
Looking forward to you next videos. Good luck 👍🏻
P.S £250 is about right, imagine it being done in Kensington. I'd be a grand.....
hello and welcome. Yes I know Pete and Ian, plenty of time for them, they know all about spraying so you'll have a good time with the guys there.. Jack as well.
If you look through my other vids you'll come across a bit of stuff you'll want to watch, that will give you a better grasp of things.... practice is the key though.
Kitchens.. yes done a few now. I've put a couple of photos on the COMMUNITY section on my main YOU TUBE Channel page, click my profile photo should take you there.
There's nothing complicated about it once you learn how to tape up well and once you know you machine inside and out.
I still mainly cut in and roll walls... easier for touch ups later.. and spray as much as i can, but some jobs it's not practical... in some situations.
The GX21 is the same pump unit as my GXff.... a great bit of kit.
Remember, if the paint is too thick. and you struggle spraying... either move up a paint tip size, or thin it to match the tip you're using.
If a bit thin... drop down a tip size (the orifice .... the lower the number - ie: the last two numbers on a spray tip- the smaller the hole.. the bigger the last two numbers, the larger the hole, so it lets through thicker and more paint)
Match the gun filter to the tip you're using - I have a vid on tip sizes and the number. Seen that yet?
Nothing wrong with Butlins Skeggie.. my sis and her husband were there a few weeks ago. had a great time. Me... we did Crete lol
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator
That all makes sense and thanks. I'm binge watching all your videos after the lad goes to bed. Never in my 20yrs in the trade have I been so excited to learn something new within it. I've completed a fair few jobs this year where nearly all of it could of been sprayed in half the time. Replastered houses all gutted. New builds etc but I've done them all traditional way. It's time to move with the times and try to make it that bit easier for ourselves.
Looking forward to your next set of videos. Great inspiration Phil. Thanks.
@@danielwoolcock7267 and a LC fan too ;)
Dude, I think you've got your pricing bang on!. Going to be pimping doors in the future!!!.
The money maker!!!
Pay for the job done... Not the time taken!!
Cracking video mate.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great Video. Good to see how its done. Keep them coming.
Thank you.
I am about to do a door eaxctly the same way, I will also clean and service the locking mech and obviously clean the frame and the brightwork etc. £299. I am in the south of england. Excellent job by the way...
Thank you. That customer has just replaced that door with a new one... And guess what colour she's gone for!! LoL
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yeah the buggers will do that On Ya :)
I agree, a lot of the charge is for set up, and clean up, so second doors should be a bit cheaper.
Thanks for posting this...I am looking to do this exact same project. May put it on youtube too if it turns out well ha!
How did you go on?
Another very good informative video Phil. Got to be at least £ 250 which is cheap considering what’s gone into it. Keep up the good work 😊👍🏻
Thanks for the kind words Mark
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator My pleasure Phil. I’ve only done one Upvc job but lack the confidence to remove the doors in case something goes wrong. I’ll practice on my own door first !
Hi Phil , £250 is very cheap , down here in Essex they are charging more
as I say.. the money maker ;)
Great video mate
Love your videos well done! Wish I could learn how to spray upvc
Thanks.
Your videos are really good man, sharing a lot of knowledge I think you only thing holding your channel back is production of the videos and I’m not having a dig your obviously good at what you do but as a member of the younger generation I’d suggest getting yourself a decent go pro, tripod and maybe throw some time lapses in of you coating up from a clear angle and maybe a little mic so you can record a voice over while your showing those shots and talk people through what your doing that way it would take the stress out of filming and working as well as upping your production value of the videos I work on site and I want to start some more social media stuff it’s just a difficult environment to do such a thing, as I said not having a dig I’m gonna subscribe and hope to see more videos mate
Tnx for the feed back
. That video is a year last March?
Hopefully the newer stuff is better?
I've a new 11mm lens and external mic. Tripod used anyway. ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator fair play man i only came across your videos yesterday looking at new potential spray systems, I liked the video on the self employment ins and outs of what you could/should be earning I’m only 27 so it’s nice to hear things from people who have been there and done it
Great video Phil, I'd love to see one where the door stays in frame (no panel). Want to know how to mask? Keep the vids coming pal. 👍
Don't over think it Paul. Tape the door up on the edges like it did the door which i removed. Tape the glass same. I've do e a door where I left the panel in place... Sprayed the rubbers in with the whole door.
Three weeks later there was a white line around the rubbers where the panel had moved. :(
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks for the reply. 😁 I have one to do soon so time will tell 🤣👍
@@pauldavies3532 it's not as bad or as hard as you think to remove a panel.. weigh it up when you're there ;)
Remember.. next level painting!!!!!
Hey Phil new to your tube, great vid. £250 is a good & fair price
Thanks Brian.
We all need to be singing from the same hymn sheet lol
One word... Subscribed!
Good work, just bought a Q5 easily 250 if not 300
We're singing off the same page. Best of luck with the new toys ;)
Very informative thanks mate 👍
Fantastic video Phil, so very helpful for myself! Embarking on tapping in to doing this kind of thing, and your video was just what I was looking for. I’ve got my Fuji hvlp sprayer at the ready!
What about painting doors or windows in situ? I’ve seen some videos of people doing that. Can’t work out how/where they tape up and protect and order of spraying... 🤔
Ps. Next video, make sure your flies are done up 😆
Just gotta up everyone's game. And don't under charge.
How have you gone on since watching the video?
Hi Phil great video as always. Question was that a 1litre of kolourbond original ?
The spirit based one.. dries in minutes
Yes that’s the kolourbond original … how much paint did u use on that one front door please buddy?
Shwmae Phil, I'm a retired Decorator with 49 year's experience.
I was wondering, when you picked up the door to put it back on, did it leave any fingerprint? Also could I use a water based paint to do the same job on a rental I own?
If so which is the best spray paint for interior and exterior doors and windows?
Diolch, Thanks.
Cymru 🏴
no prints left behind.. its dry in minutes.
Check out my video on BEDEC, FRENCHIC and ALL COAT on uPVC... watch it, tell me your thoughts ;)
Interesting...
I will talk about prices in Spain:
A PVC door panel like that, with a decorative glass on it it is 700€-800€ white.
Anthracite foiled and new would a 100€ more.
That is the price for the final customer.
A litre of Dupont painting for uPVC is about 35€ (price for industrials), and you do need to add hardener and solvent plus the special products to prepare the pvc surface which are quite expensive (Dupont-Cromax).
After all that you have to charge your labor, transport, tapes and the amortization of your equipment...
Your price is a total bargain in my opinion...
That said... I understand there is competition for this specific job in the UK, while here in Spain there is no demand so there is no offer... and I guess that situation make compels your prices to be lower...
🤷🏻♀️
Why is bit not being done in Spain? Is it the heat and people want to keep it white?
Do you have a video on prepping and what materials to use mate? I'm starting up soon and watched a couple of your videos . Thanks
In this video
Nice video mate, so nice to see a job done the correct way, where did you get your mask, it much better than mine,,,
It's from ARCO and it's a Sundstrom SR100. I've another video explaining about it. Have you seen it yet?
I don a pvc job last week with Al Fresco 3 windows brilliant job customer love it. £150
Cool.
Was that sprayed or brushed?
How did you work out what to charge?
How long were you on it, prep, how many coats etc?
Phil Beckwith The Professional Painter & Decorator- I do a lot of work for her and it took me a day and I brushed it. Say a day 9:am till about 4:30 2 coats. Then she Decides to paint the walls😡
@@briandavis8939 how's the paint holding up?
Yep spot on I charge £250 matey
Nice video mate. Could you do a close up detailed masking and mixing paint for upvc please ?
No mixing of the paint, it's straight out the can.
Masking... Which bit?
Just tape the edges and parts you want protecting up.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Ah OK I thought there was a hardner 👌 masking of windows doors when left on. Or windows been taking out for spraying! Haven't seen any videos like that. I'm in Ireland and cant get over to do a course! I have 3 jobs booked in this summer. Would feel abit more confident knowing the proper procedure.
@@metalhead9656 this one shows how to remove the centre panel.
On windows, if you remove the opener to make it easier to get to the main from... You will normally find three small screws too and bottom on the sliding hinges.
I'd gladly pay £250 for that work, the challenge is finding someone local who would actually bother to go through this process rather than just tosh it up. Given I don't have a compressor, gun etc what process is recommended for the best DIY result?
Hi again. Have a look at the cheap £40 sprayer and £85 sprayer I demo from Screwfix.
Combine that with some of the MSP paints
.. watch those vids... You can prep your door well... Tape up and still spray it and get great results.
Hi Phil, thanks for the video on the 'Erbauer EPS800 800w Electric Sprayer' from Screwfix...very helpful indeed! I've got a few jobs that it might be useful for, but before I jump in and buy one...do you think that it would handle a thinned masonry paint, like Dulux weather-shield for bare block/internal garage? Many thanks
Well...... It says it can do emulsion, so it should do..use the bigger spray tip and thin to the correct amount that you getting spraying well.
Phil this is great. Thank you for the content! Quick one, I’m thinking about spraying my door and garage (metal) door. Can I use the same kolorbond paint for both and do I need to thin the paint or can I just pour it straight into the gun pot?
Hi. Thanks.
The KolorBond I used in the vid didn't need thinning to spray, it's like water.
I'd just check direct with KolorBond just to make sure it's suitable for the metal garage door. I wouldn't want to give advice just in case.
Their Aquatek is waterbased and may be better suited, check with them
Another product I've sprayed successfully onto previously powder coated large metal gates.. prepare it well first.
I used AllCoat exterior in satin black.
Have to say the results were very impressive.
I did three coats, 1st as a base over any metal 2pac filler that was needed. Then two nice slightly thinned coats using 1.8 needle set.
Results looked liked it has been re powder coated.
Great video!
Too kind. Does it make you feel like getting your sprayer out?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yes it does (which I haven't done yet) going to buy some ar2 after watching one of your last videos. Did you see my comment on one of them about how you protect floor coverings in finished room
@@samrix5793 Which was it, I thought I'd replied.
You sheet up a floor when you roll a ceiling.. that's all you'll do for spraying. Start with the ceilings.. then with confidence you will try walls... then woodwork... if carpet is down, hone your skill son taping around the edge ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks for the advice! Do you usually use corex or drop clothes? Thanks
@@samrix5793 depends on the floors, tape and drape on a 3m hand maskers is also handy for windows and door etc
1st class mate
How much would you charge to spray out a new house in white
Hiya mate, just a quick one i've been looking for a while. What is a good entry level HVLP sprayer that you would reccoemend? Thanks
realistically, what you after spraying?
Love your videos Phil mate! Informative, and nothing flashy. I'm not 'a Pro' but do do a fair bit for family and friends - but maybe not enough (yet) to justify a hvlp Q5 purchase 😕 I do see a huge market in my area for (Upvc/units eyc) spraying though. What would YOU recommend as the next level down hvlp kit/unit? Cheers and keep up producing the great content 👍
Tnx
You could go a conventional compressor set up with HVLP gun.
Can be big and bulky though.
Also depends how much you think you might do... To justify a stage 5 hvlp ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator cheers for the reply buddy - I might bite the bullet, but do a course first, and if the worst comes to the worst and it ends up gathering dust so to speak, I'm sure it will sell on the 2nd hand market at a good price
That's my thinking anyway 😉😂
Any recommended course(s) or providers of courses you care to mention? 👍
@@martinbrammer3857 there's a few. Off the top of my head...
Dulux Academy do one, Abode Spray Training near Wiltshire and there's Spraytech as well who have a few different centres up and down the country.
I think you'd use a stage 5 more if you had it... Spray your kitchen cabinets... Garden furniture... Your front door!!! Neighbours front doors!
Woodwork when you do your own decorating ;)
You may want to get a airless as well ;)
Like I have the GXff... Among others lol
@@martinbrammer3857 if you look through my other videos.. I cover a lot of basic stuff that may help you too
I feel ot would be better with an airless sprayer . Also ot looks awkward doing it on a bench in feel it would be better stood upright. Maybe just my ocd head walking around that door makes me feel strange .
Hi. You wouldn't do this sort of spraying with this product with an airless sprayer.
Kolorbond us geared for HVLP or compressor spray set up.
More control, you can dial down the paint flow to get that mist coat on.
Removal of the door is easier particularly when you remove the panel. Having it flat means you can easily get around or the edges you can easily miss if upright.
Excellent vid = Subscribed. Question out of interest, is the paint any different to car body paint?
Good question. I wouldn't be able to give you an answer. It's something th Kolorbond may be able to give you more information on.
With it's being a cellulose based product, maybe it's very similar.
Makes such a difference top job. I've been thinking about doing this myself. Never sprayed pvc before but I've sprayed everything else. Seen on some of the painters forums of people's turning really bad after two years. Fading and turning white again. Any idea why? Could it be sun damage? have you seen this happen?? I would like to do my front door and frame. Seeing the images of them after 2 years has scared me a bit. Should I be?
Practice on yours.
You need to prep well.
Also find out what paint they've used.
I've had no issues so far with KolorBond.
They'll be some using Multi Surface Paints that can go on uPVC but it'll only be as good as how it's been prepared and applied... IMO.
I have done a door on a rental three years ago.. to tidy it up.
Clean down, soap water, light sand.
Dried off.
Hvlp spray 1st coat otex akva (not an outdoor paint!)
Then farrow and ball exterior UC, followed by f&b exterior eggshell.
Still on the door. It's only moved on the rubbers as I didn't bother removing the centre panel lol
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator it was the kolourbond they had used. Prep may not have been good and that could have been the problem. Cheers for the advice👍 il get on it
@@Marcusprice92 who knows.... They could have used the wrong KolorBond on the wrong surface. If in doubt always contact the rep and ask for advice.
Great video, is it frog tape u use or something else??? I can't find a decent tape. 😕
Q1 tapes, purple - delicate. Orange colour - precision. Yellow is the general P&D tape.
I use Q1. But other brands like Tesa do very similar.
Hi Phil great video..what is the colour you use from Kolorbond? Thanks👍
Thanks. Colour.... The colour of the minute... RAL7016 - anthracite.
Spot on pricing that Phil, same as I’ve been charging for the last couple of years 👍🏽
it's not a lot of money for something that adds kerb appeal to a house... making it more saleable if you want to get the buyers in too.
Probably more, I took my bike in to get it touched up and the sprayer charged me £400 and it was only the size of a £5 note
PIMP MY DOOR!
Any colour as long as it's anthracite lol
Thank you for posting this video, learnt so much!
Do you think a basic paint sprayer like the Wagner models for £5pm would do the job?
Also is the cost of the paint etc included in your price?
Thanks again 😊
Which sprayer are you thinking of using.
Any hvlp or conventional spray set up should be ok to use. Remember, it's low pressure sprayer around 50psi.
It's not geared up for airless which is anything 800psi and above.
Yes the price would include the materials/paint.
The paint if you buy this Kolorbond is within a few pounds £50 ltr with delivery. If you buy larger quantities that price would come down . Giving more profit. ;)
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Well I didn't want to dive into anything to expensive. I was looking at the Wagner 100 electric. (DIY sprayer) I literally have no idea, any suggestions would be very much appreciated.
Thanks for the reply! New.subscriber by the way! 👍
@@eezy251able I had a PM from someone the other day... My advice... Don't run before you can walk.
It's a case also, buy the wrong thing to save some money, you'll be wasting it.
My gear .. the qt5 hvlp with remote pot is just over £1k.
Sounds a lot... And it is. But it mince meats spraying kolorbond and you soon get that money back on in.
You may get a decent conventional spray set up less than that cost.. but a decent entry set up could be £500+.
There maybe someone who has one that could advise what they spent??
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yeah I agree you'd have to buy the best. Although I'm a novice so I don't think it would make sense spending 1k on a low pressure sprayer to be honest?
Tough one? Thanks for the advise though 🙂
@@eezy251able Do a training course where you'll get various sprayers to try then you know what's best for you.
Hi phill can you spray a composite door with the kolorbond orginal or would it need to be primed and then sprayed with water base? Or could I use the spirit based one
Thanks mate!!
I'm sure this Kolorbond Original isn't suitable for the composite doors.. tBut he AquaTek (waterbased) one is though.
I'd say alway give Simon a ring at KolorBond, he doesn't bite, really nice guy. He'll give you any advice and tips when doing those doors too.
Good video.
I'd like to keep it hing if possible as it would save so much hassle with having to get it off and find an area to spray up.
Is it possible to to.spray up and just pick off edges with a gloss pile furniture roller and fetch being carful.not to mix the finish on the front surface as to keep it spray finish or is there a masking method as to spray all edges while hung I wonder.
You don't need to paint all the edges. It's why coloured upVc doors only have the colour on the face you see.
You can spray with to door in place. But it's best to remove the centre panel.. as that moves and will show a white edge.
in any case, the color needs to be thinned a lot... and can I put a color that says 10% thinner thinner too??from q5 are you satisfied???
what paint are you wanting to use ?
KolorBond Original doesn't need thinning with the QT5
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator ripolin and acrylic
I'd say change your paints to ones that spray better
Bought my self a QT5 but don’t seem to be getting a good finish using Kolorbond. The finish isn’t smooth on upvc do you thin the paint at all?
Is it the water based or the same as what I used?
What needle set have you got in the gun?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Its the original, using a Qtech 1.5 needle
@@simonmorrall-sm9zw is your pressure up and allow a bit more paint flow.
It should spray lovely with no thinning needed
Hi Phil what do you recommend for spraying on a composite door using hvlp gun and compressor
Hi, I'd just check with kolorBond, but think for the composite doors they recommend the KolorBond AquaTech ... but just check, I've a feeling the Original isn't for the composite doors.
Hi, great job. I have one question for you. What paint you use to spray paint cabinets, water based in particular? Thanks
I mainly use Tikkurilla, it sprays lovely. Waterbased.
Depending on what it's going on .... You may need a grip primer or stain blocking base/grip primer.
Then I'd use either Tikkurilla Helmi or Everal finish paints.. always use the correct matching Under Coat though.
For Helmi, use the Helmi UC primer... Then two coats of Helmi 10, 30 or 80 finish.
Everal can be used outside as well as inside.
Everal UC primer. Followed by the Everal finish... Two coats.
I also use Farrow And Ball
Again... Prep is key and the first base coat/primer need to be corrected... Then f&b undercoat... Then the two top coats.... Either Estate or Modern eggshell.
Modern eggshell has a bit more sheen and harder. So ideal on woodwork and cabinets.
Does that help?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Yes, it does help. Thanks a lot.
Hi Phil, you've inspired me throughout your videos to make the purchase of the Q-Tech Q5 and for that I'm extremely grateful! I am new to spraying and currently trying to get into the UPVC market and start my own business. I have a few questions I'm hoping you'll answer?
I'm using the Q5 with PVC paint but I'm not getting a smooth finish, it's almost like a rippled finish and I've noticed when I restrict the paint for the dust coat I'm getting like a webbing affect coming out the gun almost like the paints drying in the air? Can you offer any advice? I spoke to a local Sprayer and he thinks I should be using 2 pac on UPVC Windows as it would give that plastic smooth finish I'm so desperately trying to achieve.
Any help is much appriciate, keep at the videos they are helping loads!
Hmmm. Webbing, like candy floss? I've heard of this before, with someone using HMG17 paint.
What were you using?
I had the paint mixed from my local paint supplier, all the tin says Basaltgrau/basalt grey PVC. I'm going to try 2 pac tomorrow and hopefully that gives me the smooth finish I'm after
@@danknumberplates without knowing the paint, it may be that it really needs thinning down. the pimple un even finish can be from the paint being to thick and you may be spraying too close?
If you still have problems, try some kolorbond, like i've used and see ow you go on with that.
Thank you for the advice, where is best to buy colorbond from?
@@danknumberplates KolorBond.co.uk
Great video could you tell me what spray gun equipment using please
Hi, tnx
It's a QT5 HVLP... (Stage5). If you look at my other video list, There's a video explaining it.
great video mate how long does this take from start to finish?
Think I was about 3hrs
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks for the reply. Would you say the Graco gxff is the best spray machine for kitchens and upvc windows? Looking to buy one
@@johnmcgurk1464 no. You don't want to use airless when doing uPVC.
Even kitchens... Hvlp will be useful.
Hi Phil quick question, do you always need to remove the doors? And what’s the reason you do, I see people painting with the doors on
Morning.
It was easier to spray it.. not hard to take off.
Also I didn't need to tape the house up.
Panels need to come out anyway.
If you can do it with the door on, great.
But it's way to remove.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator ty phill is this kolorbond you use WB OR OIL?
@@Shortboxing47 none of those.
It's the sport base... Dries in minutes.
Still trying to figure out how the door hinges come off!! Some kind of a Jocker hinge, but still struggling to figure it out. 😕
Some have a centre pin, you take the caps off and knock/slide out the centre pin.
Others may be held in with a centre shaft that uses an Allun key.
Send me a photo on Instagram of the one you have.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator I took a photo. I have Instagram installed, but I need to know your email/moniker, whatever it is. Thanks for your reply. I got the door and frame second hand. Just great to see how the door centre panel pops out. I should have realised that! I've replaced all my 14 UPVC windows.
@@ammej768 BeckwithDecorators on Instagram
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator ok sent photo
Door now painted, reassembled, and rehung, with new chrome ironmongery.
The 'boss' is delighted
Hi Phil, What paints do you recommend for composite doors. Would you still use kolorbond, or something else. Is it the same prep. Thanks Bob.
Kolor bond do a paint for composite doors. But also, you saw the test video using AllCoat, Bedec and Frenchic on uPVC? Those too can be used.
Could you use a paint brush? I seen some paints that are self leveling have you try this
This paint can be brushed... They do a water based paint too, that can be brushed. The better finish comes with spraying... Along with the speed of application.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator any chance of a lil video please
@@robertcox3807 we'll see. I've nothing planned as of yet.
Prices are way under, some double glazing Co's charging £10,000 you can buy a door for about £700 but getting it fitted a at least £500 by joiner.
How much do you think then?
I AM A PAINTER AND THIS KIND OF VIDEOS ARE GOOD BUT THE ONLY THING THAT CUSTOMERS WATCH THESE VIDEOS AND THEY WANT THE SAME JOB TO BE DONE BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THE TIME AND MATERIAL
They're not the customers we want..... Find the right customer.
Hi Phil, quick question ., do you prefer turbine to compressor and spray gun ?
When watching you spray , the coverage seemed really poor on first coat .. ( maybe need a bit more thinners?)
My hvlp is a smaller unit to move around than my compressor. So handy when in peoples houses and taking up space In the van. But same principle for spraying, I'd say nothing in it. More a case of what you can afford or like to use.
As mentioned in the video. The first coat is a fine waft coat, it not there to cover. It's there as a base grip layer for the next coats going over it.
2nd covers more and 3rd was almost a finish. I gave it another as I had enough paint to give it extra.
You are down the paint flow on the gun, that stops too much Paint being applied , that's how you give it the fine waft mist coat.
Hi
How durable is the paint
Does it need thinning to go through a compressor setup on 1.8 needle
Cheers
A door I did last year still looks like new. No scratches from the dog or chips from keys near the lock. :)
I used a 1.5 needle set. No need to thin either as it's like water.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Iv just got to find who stocks it near me now
@@Garywxm1 buy directly from kolorbond.. it's virtually next day delivery.
Hi Phil where do u get your yellow tape from
Where ever has a deal offer lol
But usually either MyPaintBrush or direct from Q1 tape website.
Hi Phil could you use the Kolorbond original on garage doors? I’m just thinking of durability mate
I can't say, you'd need to check with kolorbond ... It'll depend what surface it is.
But you could always spray Zinsser AllCoat Exterior, that's goes well on garage doors we've done.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator water based allcoat or the solvent based one is best for spraying phil?
@@BusterBloodVessel1 I've only used the wb AllCoat exterior. If you look at BeckwithDecorators on Instagram, scroll back a bit, I did some large metal gates ... Three coats... Came up like a factory finish. Customer was over the moon as he thought he'd have to have the removed and re powdered coated. It is as my last job before the first lockdown 2020.
I currently use 2k paint and its got a very strong smell, how is the odour on the kolorbond paints? Might have to try them
Not that bad. But when you have a decent mask you don't smell it. With it dry within minutes you don't get an after smell either.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator Ok, and how much dors do you think you can paint with a 1 litre tin, as its very expensive for 1 litre to buy
@@yamaharaptor1671 depending how many coats you do on a door, you should be able to do at least two to three.
I'm Nate from the forum
Still around Nate? ;)
Nice video..
I’m thinking of doing this job an window frame just as a hobby at home…
Obviously I ain’t going to go buy a new spray machine at over £1000.00
I have a compressor an spray gun from machine mart, would this do the same job, I’ve already looked at the gun an it has a 1.5mm needle an can regulate airflow and fan pattern ? So would it be suffice an to over kill? Asking for advice as don’t want to try an go ruin my window frames lo,
Thanks
You can use a conventional spray set up like that. Many do.
How big is the compressor?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator thanks for the reply..
Not sure on the size of the compressor until I go in garage an have a look…. Does the size matter?
@@tommyblackman7119 If you're not doing too much you should be ok.... 9-24 ltr reserve tank is fine. see how you go. Practice on some card/paper and see how it sprays.
Did you have to thin this paint down?
no, all explained in the video
£250 with materials or without?
Now ... I'd go £275 plus materials
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator yea that sound spot on when you compare how much a new door would cost thank you for the quick reply love the content mate 👍🏻
Good video Phil, I like the way you do things.
However, I think the videos are going to encourage more people to give it a go which is great, but I tend to keep the products and processes a little closer to my chest.
I have a spray painting business
In the north east, external spraying is all we do. You are dead right that the job there is worth £250 but in my area there’s so much competition already that it’s not feasible to charge that. Can try and justify it with the level of finish until
I’m blue in the face but with competitors spraying doors in situ for £100 I’m fighting a losing battle. I feel you will be also if you’re tipping people off on how to do it and what to use. Only a matter of time before we get more band wagoners operating. I’m already hearing people rubbishing the concept as poor work has been carried out for someone they know, my view is the less people doing it the better all round.
Top video and top work though as I say mate 👍🏻
I do agree with you, you will always get those who want to pay cheap and aren't discerning enough to see why it's so much cheaper... leave them to the professional DIYer.
My thoughts are that so many are the blind leading the blind, no formal training or qualifications in P&D trade... and if they are watching youtube to learn.. they need to see how its done correctly. Hopefully they see why things cost they way they cost.
At the end of the day... I could watch stuff on youtube, but still need to be able to do it in the real world situation. That you can't blag so easy lol
250 easy before you said price 8 thought 300 so good price
Add the frame into it... In a different colour... You'd be over 300 I'd think ;)
£350 fella, defo
an easy morning's work ;)
Too many people doing it now days and only charging £150
Yeah. I've seen that sort of spraying.... no panel out and a white edge going around it.
Do you think the graco ultramax would be capable of this?
Hi Gavin. I wouldn't want to give you the wrong advice, but I think the ultramax is more like an airless, What psi does it spray at?
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator max psi is 13800 but still not sure if it will work
@@GavinMcC I'm not sure either as you need low pressure really. The compressor set up and hvlp spray quite low... Around 50psi.... Which seems to suit the KolorBond.
How do I contact you Phil want my house doing
How do you price a job like this one?
It's one of those price the job done. Not the time taken.
How much would a new colour door be?
But over charge and you won't see nay work.
I pay £26 for my dentist to count my teeth.. I'm out within 8 minutes.
You need to charge for the skills offered.
Does having wallpaper cost more than having a room painted out... different skills cost more.
What were you thinking you'd pay for a door re coloured?
if you think u can just buy a turbine sprayer and start this type of work, well dont bother!!! Ive been a sprayer for years, and i can tell you the paints on the market dont work unless your prep work isnt 100%, and grey is a colour that will naturally fade, this is a job for professionals, i do this type of work but never windows insitu, I work for upvc manufacturers and offers guarantees!!!!
Very true. Many see the easy work of it and the £££
Hi did you have to add harder to the paint
Hi. No, this is straight out the tin. Dries within minutes.
Hi Phil was this a 1 liter paint did you have much left
@@robertcox3807 yes a litre. It's the same tin and colour I used in the window video a few weeks before.
Why not just spray the door where it is ? Save so much time !
You could do. But I wanted the panel out anyway so it was painted/sprayed all the way across, so it doesn't show when it moves where the rubbers are or it would show a white line around it.
@@ProfessionalPainterDecorator , I am just starting out spraying ,and didnt want to break a door by taking this panel.off . Also taking door off adds extra few hours to the job !.
Also spraying a door horizontal is.much better , because you will get a LOT less DUST in it ! I used to spray cars and we.would take bonnets off and hang vertically for a better finish !
easier to spray horizontal but larger surface area for particles to fall onto, less surface area vertical but more chance of runs.
cringing ,no cover over the customers belongings
And why would i need to do that when I'm using hvlp and have control over my spray?
That paint turns to dust before it hits the floor
Hi Phil, just watched your video And very interesting it was, I’ve just tried to contact kolorbond but getting no answer on phone or email are they still in business ?
www.kolorbond.co.uk/
As far as I know.