Bankrupt Couple Desperately Need Painting To Be Authentic | Fake Or Fortune?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The team travel to Australia to try and prove that a purchase is a valuable lost work by Tom Roberts, considered one of the country's most important artists. This time, Fiona Bruce and Philip Mould help Joe, a man who bought the painting online in a fierce bidding war, only to be told it was not genuine.
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They ended up selling it for $750 000 to the National Gallery Of Australia. Good on them!!!
Who didn’t think it was a self portrait? That’s the first thing that popped into my mind.
Yeah, me too!
Yes, of course.
My first thought too.
Just came to say same.
Me too! And I disagree with the Tom Roberts expert with the blue glasses, I think his face is beautiful
Aside from the obvious financial implications, the *redemption* in this story is what moves us all. Taking a chance on a piece of art isn't just about money, it's about belief in the work, trust in one's instincts, and the need to fight for acceptance of the work's intrinsic value. Well done, all of you!
*Mrs. Sheryl N. Kumarz is WANTED FOR FINANCIAL FRAUD!!!!*
And, they have added a self-portrait into Roberts' raisonn'e!
At 51:48. Dude, it's the work of an art student. Of course it's not gonna be perfect. Tom Roberts clearly got way better after 5 or so years of painting. But people have to start from somewhere. And some of the best artists when they were starting off in their younger years were painting "molded cottage cheese" faces before they got things right and hit their stride.
Yes, and this is why so many canvases were painted over. We can only imagine what works of art have been wiped from history by artists now thought to be geniuses such as Van Gogh.
I thought it was pretty good. And why is disappointing that an artist does a self portrait? Lots of artists do them. The model is always available and works for free.
Duh, it was a first impression, not a final verdict. Urgh.
Exactly! It wasn't perfect but it has the mark of greatness on it! She's just nonsense!
She was a real rotter!
I was so surprised that THEY were surprised that this was a self portrait. It seems so obvious. Did his great granddaughter really need to tell them?
this show is stupid
Yep, I tought that there is no other option than a self portrait. And I did not know the artist at all. That is just so obvious.
The spirit of the magnificent TOM ROBERTS led them to his great great granddaughter who in 45 seconds knew it was authentic. Family always knows...PERSPECTIVE thank you for your magnificent channel, this episode really carries the torch of your greatness.
I thought this must be a self portrait from the instant they showed Tom Robert’s photograph. I wonder why it wasn’t spotted before the great-grandaughter pointed it out?
I was rooting for this family the entire time. I’m so happy they had this valuable painting to redeem the Husband. Great story!
As an artist who excelled in Art History doing a Visual Arts degree at a Sydney university, I immediately recognised this as a self-portrait in which Roberts was clearly trying to capture the emotional angst from one or more of his personal experiences.
Another factor in my opinion that it was a painting from his early career is the amount of effort that's gone into the work, something fakers really want to avoid (as seen in that fake that was shown)!
I stumbled across this channel a few days ago. I was immediately taken by the wonderfully expressive hosts, the quality production, and the human drama in each show’s journey. This particular show gave me chills and I shed a tear. I love British and Australian programming; it’s simply the best. Much love from the USA ❤
How thrilling! The results were read and I felt I could breath again!
Watching this documentary I felt every ounce of their hardship and need for hope.
Living in America we don't see this program - and I am SO thrilled I found it represented here. Thank you.
I don't know about this episode but the programme has been shown on PBS in the US.
Fiona is always compassionate and passionate. Her emotional reaction while reading the verdict got me as it was truly infectious and sincere and heartfelt 👼❤️🙏🏽🥂
PS… And Joe must have truly love that blue shirt 😊
@Jhunified With Love - Maybe Mr Joe looks at that as his "lucky" shirt - or he has a closet full of them. Looks good with his hair, too.
@@MossyMozart yup… I was thinking the same. That’s a good one. Some people can be loyal to a color that’s good on them. Thank u! 👼❤️🙏🏽🥂
Maybe after having lost everything, we have a smaller place and have no more space for a collection of shirt.
I fell silly commenting about a shirt color when the family has lost so much.
@@sylvievicenza179 that’s actually funny but no harm intended. No worries, it’s actually a cool and interesting take on it. 🥂
Nope. Fiona, don't interrupt a man and his wife in the pivotal few seconds of one of the most important things in their life together. It was so obvious that Joe's wife was - rightly - miffed at Fiona's interruption to hug him ... but Rosanna wore the insult gracefully.
Thoughtless, shabby even.
I’ve been watching this program and I can say that Tom Roberts style is one of my favourite.
Thank you Fiona and Philip, for doing such a great job in helping this couple. God bless Joe, and his family.
Personally I thought the painting is amazing, tells a profound story and quite moving. I love it. Regardless of the artist. If I had big money, I'd pay it. So very happy for them.
As an architect working on the Sunshine Coast I have followed Joe's career from a green grocer to being Mayor and then dropping out of public life. I so wanted for this to work out for you both, and I am so glad it did. All the best for what this painting can give back to you both after your sacrifice in public office to make the Sunshine Coast into what it is. WE on the Sunshine Coast had always said that we do not want to be another Gold Coast, and your legacy would be that we have kept the unique character of the Sunshine Coast as a place to live and also for some tourists to experience the easy going life of Queensland.
Thank You for sharing this beautiful story of the painter and the couple that acquired it.
This is a big deal and you are responsible, bringing it forward for posterity and shedding light on the artist's life and that missing period.. Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! Who knew that art authentication could be as exciting as a who done it! It's better than a Sherlock, Poirot, because it's real .You are the Nancy Drew and Hardy boy of art.😀
I love the series, it's like watching a detective series
What a lovely and dramatic story on so many levels both historical and emotionel- I feel for the mans pain and the relief when the authenticity of the painting was revealed.
At 30:43. This was quite an anxious lady. Wonderful portrayal of that thinly veiled anxiety from Tom Roberts. She looks like she's quivering, and clearly not comfortable sitting if her posture is so forced and oddly angled forward. She's wealthy and fashionable, sure. But she doesn't look like she's leading an altogether satisfied life.
Maybe the title of the work isn’t "Rejected", rather that it was rejected from an art show and not deemed worth showing to whatever exhibit he submitted it to? That may explain the no. 1 and address still on it? Perhaps he sent more than one piece and this one was rejected?
To me, his sketches and the devastation in the picture speak to a grief that is deeper than just having his artwork "rejected", more like loss of a family member(mother).
That’s actually what I thought of. I think that it was rejected for the gallery exhibition and forced Roberts to create works that were submitted, and leaving this particular work in the dust. And since the majority of his works are pretty much in contrast with the theme and colors of this self-portrait, I think Roberts maybe perhaps, after being rejected from a gallery and knowing the theme of the work, didn’t want this work to be made into the public’s notice.
My grandmother was a artist who painted quite a bit when she was younger taught at a art school and has a college degree in art, and she showed her work in galleries and etc then stopped painting because she had to raise my mom and uncle and then me and my sister and she was written about as being one of the greater artists of the area. She actually taught another famous artist who was already famous at that time how to paint people as he was not very good at portraits or painting peoples faces.
Thank you for sharing such a wonderful story about your grandmother.
Re below; yes - self portrait was my first thought. Followed by, 'Show me a portrait or photo of his wife/partner' to try to ID the woman. No evidence that that lead was traced.
I’m glad I didn’t read the comments first. Good or bad, I wanted to find out for myself at the end.
Wonderful story - and outcome. I'm no kind of expert - but I fell in love with this picture from the moment it came up on screen. It just 'speaks'. And I didn't care if it ended up being a fake - but how could it be, when it shouts so loudly that it's the work of a Master! Especially in the intricate attention to detail and the use of light, particularly how the faces glow.. But most of all; the emotion it both conveys and elicits. Great Art makes you feel. Just like a great piece of music; it draws you in, captures you...
My Lord, I’m balling like a child as she reads the conclusion!!!😢😢😢😢
First thing I thought was self portrait!!! Omg , they didn't think of that right away??!!😳🤔🤯
wonderful show all around.. very professional presentations and so educating and so nice that you both assist so many in their quests to "Authenticate"...thanks for sharing..
The peek into the sketchbook was so moving.
This was a fantastic episode, thank you for the upload.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I can't believe how long it took them to realise it was a self portrait. Wouldn't the title tell you that?
I'm soooo much happy for them ❤❤❤. It's have lots of beautiful stories added to the history now.
Valued at $650,000 Dollars. Good on you mate!
He named that painting ( rejected). I think. He entered his work into a contest.
What a beautiful and sensitive painting. As someone who has worked supporting the art community as a traditional restorer and now a digital reproduction specialist it brings tears to my eyes - regardless of the legitimate provenance and final value. David Myers: DIGITAL MASTERS Australasia.
😢 touching story! Wow!!! A roller-coaster ride of emotions.. intense, hearbreaking, sadness, love, rush feelings, fulfillment and victorious… WELL DONE PERSPECTIVE 🖼
Thrilling story but more than that, what an introduction to an amici g Australian impressionist, Tom Roberts. Thank you!
While Fiona was getting verbal, family information from the Granddaughter - about how her grandfather's letter not reaching his dying Mother in time --while he was in art school in the U.K... Then in the next bit, they show Philip, perusing one of Robert's sketchbooks. And in the sketchbook is the draft-composition of THE PAINTING--where Roberts is being consoled by a young woman at his feet. ...But then look to the left of that very same page: it's a drawing of a clearly older woman, gazing lovingly at the other two subjects on the page. Clearly, this was a depiction of Roberts' Mother!
As it is now 2 am U.K. time. I'll email this bit to Philip, which may have been overlooked.
I was certain the lack of provenance would lead to the conclusion it was a forgery. I’m so happy to be wrong.
I was too. Maybe the endorsement from the granddaughter, and also the Courtauld Institute’s opinion that it was painted in the 19th Century, swayed some opinions. .?
If you decide to take it factually that this painting IS from the 19th Century then how could a forger have studied all the details about Roberts?
(I think it’s very unlikely he was forged that long ago.)
And these details- like his London address - and ability to review his sketch books, it would have been pretty hard to gather all these threads of research to create such a well imagined forgery until fairly recent times.
Plus you have to imagine the Art Market always wants a new painting from a dead master. So with big wigs breezing in from London, I think they could all shrug their shoulders if in a few years you see it come out that this was a highly executed forgery.
To me, Philip looked nervous at the end.
;)
Do not agree with this "expert". "What a pity"...I thought the expression on the face of of the man in painting showed intense despair. Excellent painting.
As it is concluded as a self portrait by his ancestors, the price of the painting would skyrocket…
Ancestors? You mean descendants.
not to mention the meaning of the painting and the incredible publicized story now part of the history of the painting!! i really hope someone would over pay for this
I was crying my eyes out with complete joy because a man that you could see felt like a failure of a man as a husband and father has gotten it back
Me too. Sweet Joe reflects what so many have experienced and are experiencing. If only everything could work out for all such people.
A question I would ask (perhaps it was answered and I missed it) is when did Roberts become so famous that fakes began to be produced? If this painting was done before that time, then there is no way it could be a fake.
Their theory was that it could have been "repurposed" though. Meaning painting was from the period but by someone else and was later signed to be by Roberts to fake it.
@@adzix87 True, though once it was found in the sketch pads there was no way it was repurposed and too old to be faked from his sketches. Unless the sketch pad is a fake too!
I assumed the show would have been pulled to save the poor family from further distress had the outcome been bad. Happy to be proven right.
I don't fit the painting in piece as rejected when I hear the story of his mother. I see pain in him that he finally had something to share and connect with her and she was gone. I think this painting represents the pain of learning of his mother's death.
minute 40 and on, was moving me to tears. This is one more superb Fake or Fortune Story!
IMAGINE being the person Joe OUTBID for this painting and WATCHING this episode 😮😮😮😮😮
Wow, I got personally invested in this. I was so happy I was crying when Fiona read out the verdict.
The painting is so sophisticated in every way, the fake ones were conceptually basic.
Wonderful outcome...
A painting called, 'Rejected', becomes a family's salvation. There is something Messianic about this. 'The stone that the builder's rejected has become the cornerstone'. This is a quote referring to Jesus of Nazareth, who was rejected by the Priests and others, but will one day be recognized for who he is, the very foundation of the Living Temple of God.
Wonderful outcome!
Best episode I've seen yet. So happy for them.
In tears. So so happy this one made it.
Never blindly "trust the experts!"
Instant expert judgments of recently found paintings are often very unreliable because, although technically correct, the subject depicted is unfamiliar to them. The expert needs to "live with" the painting for a short time, to be guided by the character of the artist that they have studied and know intimately.
At 1:08. Whoa. That is one studly, good-looking artist. Tom Roberts was clearly no "misshapen red-headed troll," as someone so memorably described poor, alcoholic Vincent Van Gogh. LOL.
Yes, how someone looks is a true accomplishment.
How embarrasing for Dr. Sloggett.
This is the most exhausting episode i have seen.
I really felt sorry for the owners and wanted them to get their money back, but i also hated the motive and felt it looked self pittying and imature. Aaaugh!
There is not much worse than losing everything you own, especially your business and your home. I think most people would be self pitying in this situation.
Ooops, i didnt realize my comment could have two different meanings... english is my second language.
i was talking about the motive on the painting.
I loved the other pictures they showed from the same painter, but his self portrait here was so self pittying.
the woman was just a prop to show how sorry he felt for him self, he looks like a grumpy teenager.
The owners gambled a lot to restore a lost part of history, and im glad they got their reward!
So emotional. So glad for them!
This episode made me cry❤
Maybe it is not called 'Rejected'...maybe the submission itself was just rejected.
I can’t believe this painting was considered legitimate when everything about it said it was fake with the $60 starting bid and then selling for 7000 the art world is silly
Fiona reading the final results, brought me to tears. I am so happy for everyone.
I Was On The Edge Of My Seat While Watching This & Cried In The End😢But Was So So Happy This Had A Happy Ending For Them😊❤
can't believe the dealer is touching the artwork with his finger. so amateurish.
"We don't have that provenance to give you im afraid.."
"Oh im sorry about that 👁👁
what a pity 👁👁"
They missed the similarities of the carpets with the female portrait on display and the mystery one.
I said this as well, so spot on!
Absolutely love this painting!!!
Its a very heartwarming story and I could feel the emotion of the owner gentleman. I myself have series of artworks that is very unsure if it has provenance and Tears too run into my own eyes.
TOM ROBERTS WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT FILM DIRECTOR !! WITHOUT A DOUBT !! BE WELL !!
Apparently the man in the painting is a close friend of Roberts, Louis Abrahams. It had been in their private family collection.
Short cut. Investigate the credentials of the "art expert" who said it wasn't a Roberts. Did he offer to buy it for chump change? Was he a fake art critic?
great episode. long time i did not find one. and all over sudden one is on the thumbnails!!!!!
Wow, what a rollercoaster
The paths of 2 rejected men crossing 136 years later
I also think whoever taught him to paint was too critical.
@32:08 its the same artist who paints the paintings, you can see the pattern of the carpet rug how it bends almost semilar.
What's odd is that although this first aired six years ago, the painting apparently has not been sold since. You'd think, considering the family's story, they'd have followed through on selling it.
Wow. Wonder if anyone else followed up the conclusion to this programme. Fascinating in many more ways than one.
They may have used it as collateral for a bank loan for the house they wanted.
@@kelliepatrick519 Ah! I did not think of such a possibility!
I believe an earlier reply to another comment said it is now worth 1 million, but that they sold it for 700,000.00 and is in an Australian museum.
Just sobbing!
Moving painting, moving result 🙏
I mean it's true that the figure, particularly the face, is not all that well done... but that's exactly what one would expect from a great artist early in his career, while they were still studying or before any formal training. Like any other kind of art, painting is 90% relentless practice. Every artist has those sloppy early paintings. Especially trying to paint one's own face is quite difficult, and the artist's emotional state at the time could not have helped. Especially with pre-modern painters we tend to forget they were people, who had to learn their skills through hard work. Also, could not help being annoyed at the lady's distaste for the idea that the painting was confessional and "self-indulgent". For one thing, maybe there's a reason this picture was never exhibited despite being numbered as if it was for the Academy exhibition. For another, self-indulgence was sort of a feature of impressionism. It was very much a reaction to the mythic (propagandistic) scenes that were popular at the time, and very navel-gazing. It was all about capturing the essence of the real in all of it's messiness and contradiction, rather than simplifying and essentializing.
You know…if anyone had looked closely at the square bottom ears in the photo and the portrait…they’d have seen it. Ears never lie.
Where's Dr. Bendor? Miss him!
39:00 what was the painting of the woman laying down? It's gorgeous. Did they ever attribute it to a different artist?
Everyone wants a wife like her!
The hand was what convinced me it was real. A forger I knew said to me was, forgers mistakes or getting caught was the forgers insistence for perfection. The left hand is not perfection.
The critic made note of his face....which led me to think she would say fake.... But she didn't... He had trouble with hands. Go back to his note book.
"Experts'" sometimes makes me wonder why they're called that. Cottage cheese face? Seriously?
When all is said and done - it seems as though it would be worth millions - an early previously unknown work by an important Australian artist!
The colors as well are almost identical especially the richness of the red color
lol she talks like she's reading propaganda to the masses in her everyday conversations 😂
Champions, both of you.
Mortgage house for the business? Dude doesn’t know what he’s doing.
It's a mistake many business owners make. Many look upon their business as their child and are desperate to save it.
I’m not crying, you’re crying!!! 😭😭😭
If Phillip got a cancer diagnostic on a Monday, I'm sure he'd say: "I'm certain this is how many fantastic weeks start".
What a great show.
It looks like a self-portrait of the painter to me. Do they don't see the resemblance? I now see finally around 42:44 his family member is saying what I saw from the start lol.
When he was in school he entered a painting called "Rejection" while he was living at that address but they never even considered that the painting they have showing rejection could have been that painting. I don't understand that at all.
there was no painting called 'Rejection' listed in the archive of the school's art show. They found evidence of two or three others, that are already known paintings by Roberts.
It is beautiful.
One could try radio-carbon dating techniques of the wooden frame and canvas to establish the age of the work. Ever been tried?
I FEEL like it WAS A SELF PORTRAIT......
after hearing the Great Grand daughters Story.... about HOW
DEPRESSED he was about his MOM... When you see the
sketch drawing of the ARTIST, there is an OLDER WOMAN profile
behind it at 46:12 .... I BET THAT WAS HIS MOM......and maybe the gentleman
on the other page, the step dad.... I can't prove it
but you cant disprove it either!!!
BRILLIANT episode nonetheless!!!!!!