Thank you so much for linking to the installation video. My module did not have the instructions for adding the heater in the box, and that saved me a whole day of waiting for a support reply!
Cool review I always like to see who is coming out with new ideas or concepts even if I am not interested in making a purchase at the time. Thanks for the review and your time. 😃
Thank you very much for your actual test. I have already ordered RS, but there are still many questions about whether PRM is necessary. We are using it for product development prototypes and need a better printing surface to reduce the time of post-processing and polishing. It seems that PRM is indeed available. Helps slightly, but not a huge difference.
Thank you for the review. I was one of the folks who asked about the PRM and I appreciate the detailed review. If you are going to buy a heated vat, then it’s really only $400 or $440 with the sale.
Where I’m hung up, is how do the support marks look when a print is removed from supports in hot/warm water or when removed pre-cure. This was definitely a good test but if marring of the support side can be heavily minimized I would be much more interested in this hardware. All said, keep up the great work.
I think that's a very interesting point to remove the support settings with some hot water hair dryer immediately after printing before I even clean or cure
Thanks for this. Timely for me as I waffle about the pre-sale and what would be the best value for money in my circumstance. One thing as that the PRM includes the heated vat. Does the fact that the vat is about 25% of that total cost change the maths? I know I'd want the vat for sure (my basement workshop gets down to 16C in winter), so that kind of makes the outlay for the PRM a bit less. I suppose I need to do the same "how long would the few grams of resin per print take to add up to the cost." I can't see it being a short time for sure. As far as print time goes, did you record the actual print times (I saw a few flash by on the video, but I don' think you caught every one on camera)? I would be interested in a side-by-side comparison of the time and to see if the 20% given by Heygears universally holds. Another UA-camr (I apologize, I forget who) did a comparison with the original Reflex, and gave the actual percentage differences, and they were somewhat less than Heygears' optimum, but they were definitely an improvement. Finally, support removal looked like it was physically quite a bit easier with the PRM in use, but the support "nubs" aren't really reduced with the PRM. Is that correct? My opinion, having only seen the thing in action on UA-cam channels: not a gimmick, as it pretty much does what they claim. Value for money though, is another question, and any user will have to do their own assessment of that, just as you did. I can see some use cases for it, for sure, but for the home hobbyist the benefits may be limited.
What’s interesting is that Joel’s video showed a decent drop in print time, but his video is older and using the original Reflex. If you select the older printer in Blueprints, does it show a decent difference in time or is it similar to the RS deltas?
Have you done any tests with modifying the support sizes? I believe fauxhammer experimented with making the supports smaller than default and still having successful prints on the original Reflex using the PRM, thus making it slightly better in practice. The PRM is likely not worthwhile, but I think it is worth considering that the PRM is more like a $500 add on instead of $700 if you are someone who really wants/needs the $200 heated vat, since it comes with it.
Great video! Been wondering if I want the pusle system. Question, if you go with the RS - do you need the heygears cure station? I can't tell if my uniformation cure will cure the heygears resin.
Only Caveat for the RS specifically and correct me if I'm wrong but is that if you want the vat heating, you will need the PRM. I have the PRM for my Reflex and like discussed in the video, my requirements does not really benefit from the increase in speed or the save in resin , even the fact that it will increase the life of the FEP doesn't really justify the expense of the PRM, but fewer supports means fewer blemishes and the closer I can get to a model looking injection molded, I am spending less time filling and sanding pits and blemishes.
I was looking at the machine as I'm ready to upgrade to a bigger one, as they had this bundle i wanted to see what exactly the Pulsing Release Module did, and you showed it off wonderfully! Now i can go be super sad that i apparently live in one of the countries they don't ship to *Cries in a corner*
do you pick the Z-Compensation when using the PRM? I noticed that when I use the PRM it automatically selects it when slicing, and when I do not use the PRM the Z-Comp is not auto selected when slicing? What are your thought on the Z-compensation setting when slicing. I ask, because I do not understand why or when to use it. What are your thoughts and knowledge of this options.
You mentioned the setup video but I can't find it and you are also showing steps that the written instructions don't seem to mention. Can you send the link to that installation video? Thanks!
Excellent video (the macro photo comparisons were very useful too). Greedy, I’ve seen video clips (not sure by HeyGears or other UA-camrs) showing real-time “peel force” measurement lines (they look like cardiac EKG measurement lines) on the HeyGears Reflex user-interface LCD screen while a 3D print was being made. The video clip showed a comparison between models made with non-PRM (a sharp, high peel-force spike) vs. models made with PRM (very low peel-force “much smaller spike or “bump””). Have you looked for this “peel-force” visual indicator in the user-interface setting on the Reflex or Reflex RS? If it is there, perhaps you could take a look at this graphical peel-force indicator when making future prints (with and without the PRM). Cheers, and thanks for all your efforts for your UA-cam followers!
Thank you for that comment it raises a good point I'm aware of this, what I cannot do is verify that what the machine is telling me is happening is actually happening I'm unable to confirm those results on the machines ECG... if that makes sense
@@greedy3d480 Yes, you make perfect sense. No way most users could confirm the EKG strain gauge measurements shown on the User Interface touchscreen. It would require someone with an electronics background, who could gain access to the strain gauge circuit, understand the complete strain gauge circuitry and spec sheets for those parts, determine the best location to hook up a strain-gauge measurement instrument (probably a volt meter, or better yet, an oscilloscope, and compare the oscilloscope readings with the EKG reading on the HeyGears User Interface touchscreen. Sorry for the detailed reply!
Now they are very much like the pulsing release unit they are very good at what they do but they are very expensive and I am very lucky to have been sent them to review
Thank you so much for this demonstration. It's neat to see how these works. I'm really worried about the quality of the auto supports in general, though. The front teeth there at 7:32 look like they didn't have (enough) supports to print right. And that is a really prominent spot I'm afraid. :D I was kinda hoping this machine would be the kind of panacea for my unsupported model woes. But might probably still be better to learn to do supports myself. I'm afraid with that state I'd probably treat them as failed prints and try again.
@@greedy3d480 Oh yes, there is so much work in making a video like this in the first place and that wasn't your focus so I totally understand. I'm just so curious about this printer and how it does the supports that I'm really pixel peeping all the footage I get to watch. :D
I'd sooner spend the extra money to add a filter. It's the biggest failing of the RS against the GKTWO. I've still ordered the RS but inmy view I'd sooner invest in less fumes & hopefully safer air conditions than on something that will knock a few mins of time & use a few grams of resin less
@@greedy3d480 I just ordered some and I was planning on using when I get my new heygears whenever it comes if you do a video on it that be so awesome I'll definitely stay tuned
This doesn't proof much: how would the model print if it were sliced as for the PRM, but printed without one? Now this could just be a very expensive slicer tweak which would work as well without as with the PRM hardware. I'm not saying this is the case, but with testing it like this, it could be. Can you not block the airflow from the PRM to see whether it is actually needed to get the print out as sliced for the PRM?
Dude.. Support generation is always random. U cant slice them separately and expect the same results. You should compare the same. So a presupported Model sliced with or without the prm mode.
Its not a gimmick at all. This is what resin printers that cost 4x as much (formlabs) are using. If its not for you, at least HeyGears lets you abstain from purchasing it. For what I do, its essential.
@@awildtomappeared5925 The pump itself is likely only $30, but the other bits, especially development of the softawre needed to synch the action properly, is more (how much more depends, but keep in mind HeyGears' DNA is equipment that is industrial/medical grade). Gimmick is the wrong word, IMO. Like most expensive accessories for any pursuit, its usefulness depends on how you use it. If you're a hobbyist printing a couple of batches of miniatures a week it doesn't seem value for money. If you're running it 12 hours a day producing a product you sell, the time, both print and post processing, and resin savings will make it worthwhile.
What will be gone by Dec..? Heygears are releasing an update in Dec so you can use the slicer offline ...not sure what you mean by it'll be gone though ?I've seen his vid...some fair points made but I don't agree with him on all points
Sorry for not making myself clear I was trying for a short question. But thanks for responding in asking I appreciate I should have said were I stood on the video about Heygears online login requirements. As the video highlights an important issue no other UA-cam channel had addressed or in countered it’s very relevant for someone who was going to purchase the machine. I didn’t purchase a Glowforge laser printer as it relies on servers to process the Gcode so I purchased a Omtech polar machine which requires no internet connection. Likewise with my Bambulabs P1S. I’m pleased Heygears are updating the software in December to allow offline access this is great I won’t be purchasing at this time As for thoughts I will continue to watch yourself and others and learn greatly from you all and thank you once again for your kind reply and great channel
Thank you so much for linking to the installation video. My module did not have the instructions for adding the heater in the box, and that saved me a whole day of waiting for a support reply!
Ah so glad it helped ☺️
It did, and my first test print using some Siryatech resin I had from my previous printer was flawless. Your videos have been really helpful, thanks!
@jcwillis4 your welcome thank you for the comment
Cool review I always like to see who is coming out with new ideas or concepts even if I am not interested in making a purchase at the time. Thanks for the review and your time. 😃
Thank you for your support 🙏
Thank you very much for your actual test. I have already ordered RS, but there are still many questions about whether PRM is necessary. We are using it for product development prototypes and need a better printing surface to reduce the time of post-processing and polishing. It seems that PRM is indeed available. Helps slightly, but not a huge difference.
I'd agreed with that thought tbh
Thank you for the review. I was one of the folks who asked about the PRM and I appreciate the detailed review. If you are going to buy a heated vat, then it’s really only $400 or $440 with the sale.
Glad it was helpful!
Where I’m hung up, is how do the support marks look when a print is removed from supports in hot/warm water or when removed pre-cure.
This was definitely a good test but if marring of the support side can be heavily minimized I would be much more interested in this hardware. All said, keep up the great work.
I think that's a very interesting point to remove the support settings with some hot water hair dryer immediately after printing before I even clean or cure
Thanks for this. Timely for me as I waffle about the pre-sale and what would be the best value for money in my circumstance. One thing as that the PRM includes the heated vat. Does the fact that the vat is about 25% of that total cost change the maths? I know I'd want the vat for sure (my basement workshop gets down to 16C in winter), so that kind of makes the outlay for the PRM a bit less. I suppose I need to do the same "how long would the few grams of resin per print take to add up to the cost." I can't see it being a short time for sure. As far as print time goes, did you record the actual print times (I saw a few flash by on the video, but I don' think you caught every one on camera)? I would be interested in a side-by-side comparison of the time and to see if the 20% given by Heygears universally holds. Another UA-camr (I apologize, I forget who) did a comparison with the original Reflex, and gave the actual percentage differences, and they were somewhat less than Heygears' optimum, but they were definitely an improvement.
Finally, support removal looked like it was physically quite a bit easier with the PRM in use, but the support "nubs" aren't really reduced with the PRM. Is that correct?
My opinion, having only seen the thing in action on UA-cam channels: not a gimmick, as it pretty much does what they claim. Value for money though, is another question, and any user will have to do their own assessment of that, just as you did. I can see some use cases for it, for sure, but for the home hobbyist the benefits may be limited.
There's less support nubs though..not much difference in size but I may be able to reduce them manually ...this was all using auto support settings
What’s interesting is that Joel’s video showed a decent drop in print time, but his video is older and using the original Reflex. If you select the older printer in Blueprints, does it show a decent difference in time or is it similar to the RS deltas?
I'm not too sure about that one
Have you done any tests with modifying the support sizes? I believe fauxhammer experimented with making the supports smaller than default and still having successful prints on the original Reflex using the PRM, thus making it slightly better in practice.
The PRM is likely not worthwhile, but I think it is worth considering that the PRM is more like a $500 add on instead of $700 if you are someone who really wants/needs the $200 heated vat, since it comes with it.
I have done some changes before and yes it was actually due to Ross from foehammer who advised me to try might do something on that moving forward
I didn’t get it because was not sure it had the heated vat so I got that.
Nice tips again, very helpful
Thank you for coming as always very much appreciated that you've took the time to do so and you are very welcome
Great video! Been wondering if I want the pusle system. Question, if you go with the RS - do you need the heygears cure station? I can't tell if my uniformation cure will cure the heygears resin.
No you don't...it'll cure in anything 👍
@@greedy3d480 you're awesome. Thanks. Love the vids.
Only Caveat for the RS specifically and correct me if I'm wrong but is that if you want the vat heating, you will need the PRM. I have the PRM for my Reflex and like discussed in the video, my requirements does not really benefit from the increase in speed or the save in resin , even the fact that it will increase the life of the FEP doesn't really justify the expense of the PRM, but fewer supports means fewer blemishes and the closer I can get to a model looking injection molded, I am spending less time filling and sanding pits and blemishes.
No you can buy the heated resin VAT on its own I believe it's about $200
They only have a PRM/Heated vat as an option. However, you don't need to use or buy the module with it.
I was looking at the machine as I'm ready to upgrade to a bigger one, as they had this bundle i wanted to see what exactly the Pulsing Release Module did, and you showed it off wonderfully!
Now i can go be super sad that i apparently live in one of the countries they don't ship to *Cries in a corner*
That is a real shame
You could have checked the peel forces by printing a hollow cube with minimal holes to reduce suction.
I still wouldn't have been able to affirm the claim that it's 50% less though
do you pick the Z-Compensation when using the PRM? I noticed that when I use the PRM it automatically selects it when slicing, and when I do not use the PRM the Z-Comp is not auto selected when slicing? What are your thought on the Z-compensation setting when slicing. I ask, because I do not understand why or when to use it. What are your thoughts and knowledge of this options.
I let the software make the decisions tbh I try not to over complicate it
Thank you for the review
My pleasure!
Can we talk about if the curing and washing station are worth it? Compared to using a generic one
I'd say no not worth the cost compared to others
You mentioned the setup video but I can't find it and you are also showing steps that the written instructions don't seem to mention. Can you send the link to that installation video? Thanks!
I've added it to the description 👍
@@greedy3d480 Thank you good sir much appreciated :)
Excellent video (the macro photo comparisons were very useful too). Greedy, I’ve seen video clips (not sure by HeyGears or other UA-camrs) showing real-time “peel force” measurement lines (they look like cardiac EKG measurement lines) on the HeyGears Reflex user-interface LCD screen while a 3D print was being made. The video clip showed a comparison between models made with non-PRM (a sharp, high peel-force spike) vs. models made with PRM (very low peel-force “much smaller spike or “bump””). Have you looked for this “peel-force” visual indicator in the user-interface setting on the Reflex or Reflex RS? If it is there, perhaps you could take a look at this graphical peel-force indicator when making future prints (with and without the PRM). Cheers, and thanks for all your efforts for your UA-cam followers!
Thank you for that comment it raises a good point I'm aware of this, what I cannot do is verify that what the machine is telling me is happening is actually happening I'm unable to confirm those results on the machines ECG... if that makes sense
@@greedy3d480 Yes, you make perfect sense. No way most users could confirm the EKG strain gauge measurements shown on the User Interface touchscreen. It would require someone with an electronics background, who could gain access to the strain gauge circuit, understand the complete strain gauge circuitry and spec sheets for those parts, determine the best location to hook up a strain-gauge measurement instrument (probably a volt meter, or better yet, an oscilloscope, and compare the oscilloscope readings with the EKG reading on the HeyGears User Interface touchscreen. Sorry for the detailed reply!
How about the $750 for the Hey Gears curing station? The $350 for the wash system appears to have been compelling.
Now they are very much like the pulsing release unit they are very good at what they do but they are very expensive and I am very lucky to have been sent them to review
Hello, may I also ask if the pulse module is displayed on the machine and can only be used for 3000h. After that, do I need to buy a new pulse module?
I think that is a question for hey gears
Thank you so much for this demonstration. It's neat to see how these works. I'm really worried about the quality of the auto supports in general, though. The front teeth there at 7:32 look like they didn't have (enough) supports to print right. And that is a really prominent spot I'm afraid. :D I was kinda hoping this machine would be the kind of panacea for my unsupported model woes. But might probably still be better to learn to do supports myself. I'm afraid with that state I'd probably treat them as failed prints and try again.
Do you know I haven't even noticed that I think sometimes you miss the wood for the trees well spotted and thank you for pointing that out
@@greedy3d480 Oh yes, there is so much work in making a video like this in the first place and that wasn't your focus so I totally understand. I'm just so curious about this printer and how it does the supports that I'm really pixel peeping all the footage I get to watch. :D
I have ordered the Unit but glad now That I did not spend the money of the PRM - I don't think i will need it for the statues I print.
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I'd sooner spend the extra money to add a filter. It's the biggest failing of the RS against the GKTWO. I've still ordered the RS but inmy view I'd sooner invest in less fumes & hopefully safer air conditions than on something that will knock a few mins of time & use a few grams of resin less
I have to agree 👍
Will you make some 3rd-party resin (Sunlu, Jamg He…) tests again, this time using the PRM?
Yeah I will be
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Have you used sunlu abs like water washable resin in the new heygears printer?
Not yet I do plan to
@@greedy3d480 I just ordered some and I was planning on using when I get my new heygears whenever it comes if you do a video on it that be so awesome I'll definitely stay tuned
thanks, love it.
You're welcome
This doesn't proof much: how would the model print if it were sliced as for the PRM, but printed without one? Now this could just be a very expensive slicer tweak which would work as well without as with the PRM hardware. I'm not saying this is the case, but with testing it like this, it could be. Can you not block the airflow from the PRM to see whether it is actually needed to get the print out as sliced for the PRM?
Seems a little excessive tbh
Dude.. Support generation is always random. U cant slice them separately and expect the same results.
You should compare the same. So a presupported Model sliced with or without the prm mode.
seriously who says dude these days :)
If I had money to burn maybe. But, thanks Greedy!! Great info as always!!! Cheers! 🍺
Thank you...you are welcome 🙏
an expensive gimmick are other manufactures planning similar add ons?
Its not a gimmick at all. This is what resin printers that cost 4x as much (formlabs) are using. If its not for you, at least HeyGears lets you abstain from purchasing it. For what I do, its essential.
@@WhiteGloveFans This can be done with a 30 dollar small quiet pump though, the price is bizzar.
@@awildtomappeared5925 it really cant though. I took the cover off of mine. Its a pretty serious piece. And I’m a MechE
@@awildtomappeared5925 The pump itself is likely only $30, but the other bits, especially development of the softawre needed to synch the action properly, is more (how much more depends, but keep in mind HeyGears' DNA is equipment that is industrial/medical grade). Gimmick is the wrong word, IMO. Like most expensive accessories for any pursuit, its usefulness depends on how you use it. If you're a hobbyist printing a couple of batches of miniatures a week it doesn't seem value for money. If you're running it 12 hours a day producing a product you sell, the time, both print and post processing, and resin savings will make it worthwhile.
I think it does do what it says it's supposed to do and I'm not sure whether it's overpriced or just expensive
May I ask where you stand on the video by once in a six side on the login and today’s announcement that it will be gone by December
What will be gone by Dec..? Heygears are releasing an update in Dec so you can use the slicer offline ...not sure what you mean by it'll be gone though ?I've seen his vid...some fair points made but I don't agree with him on all points
Sorry for not making myself clear I was trying for a short question. But thanks for responding in asking I appreciate I should have said were I stood on the video about Heygears online login requirements. As the video highlights an important issue no other UA-cam channel had addressed or in countered it’s very relevant for someone who was going to purchase the machine. I didn’t purchase a Glowforge laser printer as it relies on servers to process the Gcode so I purchased a Omtech polar machine which requires no internet connection. Likewise with my Bambulabs P1S. I’m pleased Heygears are updating the software in December to allow offline access this is great I won’t be purchasing at this time As for thoughts I will continue to watch yourself and others and learn greatly from you all and thank you once again for your kind reply and great channel
I see Wicked3d's Wolverine in progress there.
Oh yes