Olmstead said that there were cruel savages in Africa. He didn't see the savages who were buying those Africans and dragging them across that vast ocean and selling them to those cruel savages in America. I'm reading a book about the Africans who were brought to the USA on the recently found slave ship The Clotilda. The Clotilda was the last ship with captured Africans brought to the USA in 1860. That was just a year before the US Civil War started. Even though these people were slaves only a few years they all wanted to go back to their home in Africa. One of them was quoted years later as saying that she was still desperate to return home after almost forty years after being kidnapped. She was aware how much better life would have been if she were still in Africa compared to the US. She said that she would take her chances against the Dahomeyan army again, which had caught her and sold her, as it was so much nicer there than what she had experienced being enslaved and Jim Crowed in the US. This was taken from the the book "The Survivors of the Clotilda" by Hannah Durkin.
Well said. I feel you. But I think we have to keep in mind that the Black guy knew he had to appear at least somewhat ignorant about Africa and anything else he felt would have offended the White guy. He could not appear dissatisfied in any way. We knew how to play the game.
@@beaujac311 I know you were. My point is that’s what he was supposed to think. His opinions about Africa was really what those folk said back then who weren’t themselves involved in the trade.
@@Leonidas300SP I know we existed in a works that they didn’t. Similar to how many of us do now. We seem to to recognize that though enslaved they still had anonymity on their own. These people developed a culture under very adverse circumstances. They still maintained their humanity.
It’s wild, but I do understand Olmsteads perspective. It never dawned on him that the Black dude was maneuvering around the conversation as well. The Black dude understood the danger he could be in if he let on too much. He succeed.
Nevertheless, the fact that he was willing to express a preference for freedom (even while speaking highly of his owner), and to question Olmsted about why so many free blacks got sent to Liberia, made this an unusual conversation (at least as reported by Olmsted).
@@antebellumetc I feel that completely. I’m talking about the old adage of the childish slave. We often ignore how the enslaved were people who were more familiar with the necessary etiquette in that particular exchange than Olmsted would have been. The dude was slick.
I need to check those out next time I make it to Milwaukee. Been to the art museum there several times, but I didn't know about Lake Park until Googling other Olmsted works.
Olmsted describes William as being "somewhat disingenuous", so he understood that William wasn't telling him all of his honest feelings. To learn what real slaves thought of their condition, one would have to read the accounts of those who escaped and became free. Frederick Douglas was eloquent in his writings on the topic.
@ajones7519 Please also recommend the book "White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America," which provides a comprehensive account of the lesser-known history of class struggle in America. This book is by Nancy Isenberg.
It's still on my to-do list, I swear! This channel is a one-man operation and that Yancey series took a lot out of me, lol. Summing up a person's life and doing it justice takes a lot more heavy lifting than highlighting an incident or issue from a period. But I will get to it, I promise. ;)
Do not exclude White slavery in America, read: They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America. by Michael Hoffman (Author), also White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America by Don Jordan (Author), Michael Walsh.
@ajones7519. Listen and listen intently. There were NO "white slaves" in America. If you call "temporary" as slavery. These were INDENTURED servants not slaves. And these were soon released to become the patrollers, and overseers on plantations, and they tormented the Negro SLAVES even until today; like you as an example. You are here making an insulting comment about "white slaves" when the descendants of these "Black slaves" continue to fight every day to retain their humanity. While "you" still have that "white privilege" so much so you refuse to allow this tiny space for these Black slaves to be heard. Appalling.
@ajones7519 There were NO white slaves in America. Unless you call "temporary" slavery. These were INDENTURED servants not slaves who were released and became the patrollers, overseers, and tormentors of the Black slaves in America even until today. You are here with this insult about so-called white slavery while the descendants of these Black slaves continue to fight every day to retain their humanity. You still have that white privilege so much so you refuse to allow this tiny space for these Black slaves to be heard. Appalling. BTW have you read the book "White Trash" by Nancy Isenberg?
@ajones7519 also please recommend the book WHITE TRASH (The 400-year Untold History of class in America) by Nancy Isenberg. Herein lies the complete history of so-called white slavery in America.
Not true, but a popular fall back position for those defending or down playing race based chattel slavery in the Americas and apartheid and colonialism elsewhere. I notice that it is never flung in the faces of the victims of the nazis or in the faces of Israelis or Ukrainians by the same people. Probably just a cultural oversight...
@@dpeasehead it is historical facts that basically every "race" of humanity has been enslaved. The fact that you refuse to admit that just so that you can somehow claim slavery as your thing is insanity. Remember that when someone states a fact to you and you then respond by claiming it is not true does not make it untrue. Admit your own ignorance.
Indentured servitude is nowhere close to slavery. You can’t sell indentured servants, you can’t rape them or abuse them and most of all can’t kill them. They had rights. Slaves did not. And slavery in America was inherently rave based. I am sorry to see that this channel likes to promote falsehoods when it comes to American history, but at least I didn’t waste much of my time here.
Olmstead said that there were cruel savages in Africa. He didn't see the savages who were buying those Africans and dragging them across that vast ocean and selling them to those cruel savages in America. I'm reading a book about the Africans who were brought to the USA on the recently found slave ship The Clotilda. The Clotilda was the last ship with captured Africans brought to the USA in 1860. That was just a year before the US Civil War started. Even though these people were slaves only a few years they all wanted to go back to their home in Africa. One of them was quoted years later as saying that she was still desperate to return home after almost forty years after being kidnapped. She was aware how much better life would have been if she were still in Africa compared to the US. She said that she would take her chances against the Dahomeyan army again, which had caught her and sold her, as it was so much nicer there than what she had experienced being enslaved and Jim Crowed in the US. This was taken from the the book "The Survivors of the Clotilda" by Hannah Durkin.
Well said. I feel you. But I think we have to keep in mind that the Black guy knew he had to appear at least somewhat ignorant about Africa and anything else he felt would have offended the White guy. He could not appear dissatisfied in any way. We knew how to play the game.
@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502"we knew"... what did you know about this "game"?
@@kudjoeadkins-battle2502 I was talking about Olmstead the white guy.
@@beaujac311 I know you were. My point is that’s what he was supposed to think. His opinions about Africa was really what those folk said back then who weren’t themselves involved in the trade.
@@Leonidas300SP I know we existed in a works that they didn’t. Similar to how many of us do now. We seem to to recognize that though enslaved they still had anonymity on their own. These people developed a culture under very adverse circumstances. They still maintained their humanity.
It’s wild, but I do understand Olmsteads perspective. It never dawned on him that the Black dude was maneuvering around the conversation as well. The Black dude understood the danger he could be in if he let on too much. He succeed.
Nevertheless, the fact that he was willing to express a preference for freedom (even while speaking highly of his owner), and to question Olmsted about why so many free blacks got sent to Liberia, made this an unusual conversation (at least as reported by Olmsted).
Exactly true.
@@antebellumetc I feel that completely. I’m talking about the old adage of the childish slave. We often ignore how the enslaved were people who were more familiar with the necessary etiquette in that particular exchange than Olmsted would have been. The dude was slick.
Fun fact, Olmsted also developed a bunch of parks here in my town of Milwaukee before Central Park. He’s super well respected here
I need to check those out next time I make it to Milwaukee. Been to the art museum there several times, but I didn't know about Lake Park until Googling other Olmsted works.
Great find. Olmsted’s writings are detailed and very authentic
Your content is stupendous.
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Thanks for the kind words!
Olmsted describes William as being "somewhat disingenuous", so he understood that William wasn't telling him all of his honest feelings. To learn what real slaves thought of their condition, one would have to read the accounts of those who escaped and became free. Frederick Douglas was eloquent in his writings on the topic.
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Thank you! Hope you find lots more content on that channel that you enjoy.
@@antebellumetc you’re welcome
Wonder whatever became of William after the civil war when yhe slaves were freed.
@ajones7519 Please also recommend the book "White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America," which provides a comprehensive account of the lesser-known history of class struggle in America. This book is by Nancy Isenberg.
Interesting
Can you do a bio series on Governor John C Quitman ?
It's still on my to-do list, I swear! This channel is a one-man operation and that Yancey series took a lot out of me, lol. Summing up a person's life and doing it justice takes a lot more heavy lifting than highlighting an incident or issue from a period. But I will get to it, I promise. ;)
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Do not exclude White slavery in America, read: They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America. by Michael Hoffman (Author), also White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America by Don Jordan (Author), Michael Walsh.
@ajones7519. Listen and listen intently. There were NO "white slaves" in America. If you call "temporary" as slavery. These were INDENTURED servants not slaves. And these were soon released to become the patrollers, and overseers on plantations, and they tormented the Negro SLAVES even until today; like you as an example. You are here making an insulting comment about "white slaves" when the descendants of these "Black slaves" continue to fight every day to retain their humanity. While "you" still have that "white privilege" so much so you refuse to allow this tiny space for these Black slaves to be heard. Appalling.
@ajones7519 There were NO white slaves in America. Unless you call "temporary" slavery. These were INDENTURED servants not slaves who were released and became the patrollers, overseers, and tormentors of the Black slaves in America even until today. You are here with this insult about so-called white slavery while the descendants of these Black slaves continue to fight every day to retain their humanity.
You still have that white privilege so much so you refuse to allow this tiny space for these Black slaves to be heard. Appalling. BTW have you read the book "White Trash" by Nancy Isenberg?
@ajones7519 also please recommend the book WHITE TRASH (The 400-year Untold History of class in America) by Nancy Isenberg. Herein lies the complete history of so-called white slavery in America.
Technically they were indentured servants but yea
Glad to get a different view. I think we all forgot that at one time,we were all slaves or indentured.
Not true, but a popular fall back position for those defending or down playing race based chattel slavery in the Americas and apartheid and colonialism elsewhere. I notice that it is never flung in the faces of the victims of the nazis or in the faces of Israelis or Ukrainians by the same people. Probably just a cultural oversight...
@@dpeasehead it is historical facts that basically every "race" of humanity has been enslaved. The fact that you refuse to admit that just so that you can somehow claim slavery as your thing is insanity. Remember that when someone states a fact to you and you then respond by claiming it is not true does not make it untrue. Admit your own ignorance.
Indentured servitude is nowhere close to slavery. You can’t sell indentured servants, you can’t rape them or abuse them and most of all can’t kill them. They had rights.
Slaves did not. And slavery in America was inherently rave based.
I am sorry to see that this channel likes to promote falsehoods when it comes to American history, but at least I didn’t waste much of my time here.
Bull
2 Esdras 6:9. “For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.”