since everyone's asking, here's links to the music in this video sangman: ua-cam.com/video/pPnKwj3QlHs/v-deo.html secretsh: ua-cam.com/video/X7SbD6SqY40/v-deo.html toby fox has written hundreds of unique original songs: ua-cam.com/video/boG-l1SwtpU/v-deo.html seximal fractions: ua-cam.com/video/zGtUPh7PrZc/v-deo.html
Having a bunch of new subscribers, and then asking what video you should do next, might not be the best idea. The new subscribers will just want to see the coolest thing, aka Mario.
My favorite cheating method as the executioner is to pick the word ”_ack”, with only the first letter being flexible. The word can be lack, back, sack, hack, pack, tack, rack or jack. If you run out of those, you can resort to wack, mack or yack. Super easy to remember compared to the ”multiple words with no letters in common” method. Much less to keep track of.
BACK IN MY DAY, WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT DEATH. WE THREW SWORDS AT EACH OTHER AND *LIKED IT.* IF YOU BROKE A BONE OR NICKED AN ARTERY, YOU *WALKED IT OFF YOU **_PUSSY._*
slug milk And that’s what’s wrong with America! Everyone’s always correctin’ each other and politely saying what they see! If you don’t agree with somebody you just shot them in my day, and the world was tougher for it! (Sarcasm btw)
as a darkness dweller, i really appreciate the black backgrounds on all these videos. it's very easy on my eyes. there is something so refreshing about simple white text on black space, when compared to most other youtubers, who have flashy animations and quick cuts to make the video more interesting, this is a really relaxing break from all that.
When as I play as the executioner I find that the word L Y N X is a great pick. People get stumped and guess wildly until I'm adding fingers and toes to the hanged man while they get more and more frustrated.
in both videos you have consistently ignored the diagonal crossbar. I'll never to ask YOU to build some gallows for me. That thing would fall down instantly.
I love number theory and recreational mathematics, so I hear this a lot from people. I think the correct response is "I'm not bored; I enjoy this," even if they're trying to be highly dismissive. Otherwise you've already conceded that what you like is boring.
A few years ago I performed a massive experiment with my science students on hangman. The goal was to determine the length of word most difficult to guess. I found that the lowest rate of successfully guessing the word was around six or seven letters long. To conduct the experiment, I compiled list of words by letter length, from two letters long to 10 letters. The words were taken from list of most commonly used words. these words were then randomly assigned to my students, who would play hangman with each other and count the total number of guesses required to reveal the word. (They were instructed to guess letters, not finish the word) if the number of incorrect guess has exceeded 5, it was considered a loss. There was a fairly smooth trend of success/failure in the results. two-letter words were successfully guest approximately 1/3 of the time, as were the longer words. The lowest success rate was between six and seven letters, at 1/5. My hypothesis was that shorter and longer words have unique advantages in hangman. Shorter words are usually simpler, and it's easier to figure out the whole word with only a few clues. Longer words tend to have more clues in them, like common suffixes and letter combinations. Also, when they contain more letters, it's harder to make a wrong guess. I really enjoyed that experiment and it's nice to see someone else thinking critically and technically about this.
Each word length in Hangman is essentially its own game. If the game is being played adversarially, seven-letter Hangman seems to be about right. It's easy to find words of six or fewer letters with high ambiguity: there's no reasonable way to tell which of several words is up other than luck. Even with seven-letter words, rules need to be made about prefixes and suffixes to keep from just turning four- to six-letter words into seven-letter words in boring ways: consider _asting, which could be basting, casting, fasting, lasting, pasting, wasting, and maybe hasting or masting if the guesser is being generous about the dictionary. So these words are "hard" for the guesser in a really boring way. Because the game gets so much easier for a good guesser beyond seven letters, you can't really go longer with a reasonable-sized hangedman. Because it gets so stupid for the guesser below seven letters you can't really go shorter. So seven seems like a good compromise. That's what my software tells me, anyway.
I guess that difficulty curve towards 6 letters is a thing with common english words. Makes me wonder how other languages behave. Some have less or more letters than english, some have more or less short and/or long words. Some like german allow for compound words that allow to totally change the "averageness" or a given length.
Why did you prohibit guessing the word? Was it just to see letter guesses? Personally, I think that skews the results a bit for longer words. If the word is, I don't, admire, and the a-d-m and e are there and your student gets it by saying admire it means the word was figured out one guess sooner than by guessing the "i" and "r". I mean no disrespect because the experiment is really interesting. I guess I would've loved to see it repeated, but with word finishing allowed. I wonder if it would've a difference, on a "large" scale like a 25 student average or so in primary or secondary school. Even more if multiple classes or if this was done in college or by volunteers. Anyways very cool.
@@TheRealJBoss great comment - you can still "guess the word" by guessing all the correct remaining letters, but if your "incorrect word" still has correct letters in it, that is a half-right, half-wrong guess. It was a complicationbin gameplay I couldn't figure out how to incorporate into the analysis.
YES! I love hearing people talk about shit they love and that I have NEVER thought of! Or people talking about shit I have thought about, but that they've obviously thought about *way* more than I have.
To be honest, random set of very specific topics that interest the presenter is, anyway, a description of the successful Tom Scott channel, and to a lesser degree even others like Joe Scott. (Well, I suspect it's more the staff nowadays coming up with the topics on those channels, but still their vibe.)
Some of these comments are completely legitimate for someone to have made after watching all the way through, so I posit that you didn’t watch til the end of *this* video before commenting!
@@literallygrass1328 disagree, I dk think it should be a little bit harder to get a gun, but I don't think that guns are the problem, because in places where guns are harder to get there are more murders with knives and other weapons
A lot of tabletop RPGs are called “pencil and paper RPGs” (my guess is that this term is probably also more popular among older players because the older versions didn’t have pre-made character sheets, making it to where you did it all on paper), which is why that person stated that it was a pencil and paper game. I’d say that they’re two totally different categories, even if they share a name. It’s kind of a semantics problem.
In addition to that, there are some RPGs that don't use chance (like dice or cards) and can be played solely with pen, paper and IMAGINATION **inserts SpongeBob meme**
I know the term "pen and paper", for these games, but the meating stays the same. Most stuff is talking (including storytelling and roleplaying) and writing down notes and values. But I agree that there is some kind of semantic problem. Just like with other half "roleplaying game", that can be anything from children playing shop, to LARP, to TTRPGs and video games. In fact, I'd say that most kind of games can be seen as roleplaying games, as in many the players slide into roles, be it the "policeman" who has to catch the "robbers", or the "soldier" with his branch for a gun, or even someone being a troll on the internet.
6:35 wait, you need dice for that where you're coming from? We just have the GM play Tic Tac Toe against whoever has to do an ability check. When there's a draw (there always is) the arrangement of noughts and crosses is mapped to a numeric value. This adds a fair bit of strategy to the game and makes them, well, actual ability checks. /s (I could imagine that being fun though - if it didn't mean games would take even longer)
I was all excited about this idea for a half-minute, and then I realized that the fact that there's no randomness means there is a well-defined best strategy (or set of equivalent ones) with a unique best score, and everyone would always get exactly that value for their ability check. Assuming the mapping is by binary bits, the best play is always to take the highest-value square you can that doesn't result in losing the game. With squares ordered left-to-right and top-to-bottom, and "x" going first, I think the final result is: x o x x o o o x x It's a little interesting, in that the highest-value square is a safe first play (any square is), but the second-highest-value square isn't a safe reply, and so the first player can take the second-highest-value square as well. But then almost every play until the last two is determined by the need to block a next-turn win.
That reminds me of the incredibly cursed idea I came up with for character creation; Each stat is based on the amount of stars you have after playing a game of Mario Party. There's definitely issues to iron out of the system, but I don't think they matter, since I doubt an entire group of 4 players would want to play a tabletop game with one another after playing that much Mario Party.
I saw you put up a pic of mastermind after being like “tf is master mind” and then I immediately recognized the picture and that’s how I realized one of my favorite games I ever got for Christmas was a mastermind bootleg
@@Ratchet4647 You can look it up but in short you need to guess the colours of the pegs and there position. At 8:06 you can see the code which has to be guessed and is made by "the Code Master" at the start of the round, to prevent cheating and well the Code Master remembering the code. The code can be covered with the blue plastic bit to make covering and checking easier. The person trying to break the code will just place his 4 pegs on the 1st row. (So the top on this picture) And after making a row of 4 pegs (with any combination you want) The Code Master will then compare his code with the one you made. And grand you the small (black or white) or in this case orange and white pegs. One colour* orange in this case means that one of the colours used in that first attempt. Is in the code they are trying to guess, a white peg then means that there is not only one peg with the same colour as in the code the guesser seeks, but that it's in the exact same place. So after his 1st guess the player will get 0-4 white or orange pegs or a combination of the two which are set on the side of the 4 coloured big pegs. And with this information he will make a 2nd code on the 2nd line from the top. (The idea is that the Code Master sits at the end where he made the code and the guesser sits at the opposite side. Guessing the code and getting closer to the real code with every attempt) And he will again be marked with the pegs and by comparing whether he now has more or less orange and white pegs and what he has changed. You slowly unravel the code or at least try to. The guessers loses if he fills all the rows with incorrect guesses and he wins once he makes the same code as the Code Master (displayed by 4 white pegs) made before the game. So yeah not that hard in practise you just pick for random of the coloured "big" pegs and then change things up after every line after seeing how much you got right. And so you edge closer to the right code. I don't fully recall what the rules are for using the multiple colour multiple times, as you definitely can. But I don't recall whether you get 2 orange pegs if you had like 1 blue peg in the guess but there are 2 blue pegs on the answer. Or whether you only get the 1 blue peg as only 1 peg corresponded with the colour. Fairly sure it's the last as otherwise it would be real confusing. You would have to prioritise the right coloured peg on the right place over the wrong place though I think. And in case they are both right (if you did like 4 times blue and the other guy guessed 2 blues, you probably would have to grant you to 2 white pegs rather than 2 orange ones) Anyway I think that's all you need to know about Mastermind, on a side note the big green part on the right of the gameboard is where all the pegs are typically kept. So if you are actually interested and did not yet ask someone to explain it to you or look it up. Here it is. XD Have a good day. *(might be white I don't recall and it depends on your colour coding and in the end doesn't matter as long as it's made clear on forehand)
@@Ratchet4647 lol well my pleasure, it's a decent board game and I enjoyed it as a kid. And it takes no time to setup, and can be stopped at any time or played as fast as you please. It can actually be played quite easily on paper although it visually nicer and "more fun" if you got a board and pieces I think. Anyway have a good day.
For what it's worth "Hangman is a weird game" was the bait for me, "W" was the video that set the hook. Well done on the quality presentation and content. 👍
@@PseudoPaint er jy syr ybut deht byqowc vy nidh sam rools tu gawrn ti vej hvi vrajt ta uurdz... I mean it would been a lot easier if we followed the daft grammar rules to a certain extent... As that weird as sentence I wrote would've been a lot easier to read if everyone knew which rules applied to which word... Are you sure about that because we need some rules to govern the way we write the words. Was what I had written. I'm not saying that prescriptivists are good, it's just not good to toss away all the rules.
Gotta say, I laughed my ass off when megalovania started playing, this entire channel is so weirdly specific I didn't even know what hit me. I guess between this, the hangman video and the couple of misc uploads from you I've seen, I have a new channel to add to the list of weird ass channels I love.
9:54 I heard that Science Blaster, followed up by Porter Robinson's "Goodbye to a World" and then the Flintstones (7 Grand Dad). You can't hide that from me. Good reference to a certain channel ending, subbed.
@@chadgunner4403 ... ua-cam.com/video/y4VNZdsjveE/v-deo.html and here's sans. ua-cam.com/video/Zzo6L3wsf8c/v-deo.html (also, I recommend playing the game yourself if you haven't already. you can use the flower's time machine from the Web if you really want to fight Mr Ketchup Drinker.)
@@r033cx If you're going by the stricter definition, you still need to contend with writing (as bu' two examples) Glaswegian or Northern English dialects phonetically. In the following example, I will use
@@maggieent3215 No it's a letter My evidence is that I am in charge of the alphabet I am in charge of the Alphabet because I self promoted myself Frick you
@placeholdername2222 bloody hell, I always wondered at the French word for Y. Thank you for doing what my French teacher failed to do. Now can you teach me to actually USE French? 😋
It actually made me start jamming to it with a legit smile on my face, and I suffered through that fight for a whole day, and deeply regretted it afterwards. Seriously, what time line are you from where you didn't start incessantly humming megalovania for the next several months? (yes, I literally did that) (Ps. I still do it from time to time)
I so deeply appreciate how absolutely patient, good hearted, and intellectually honest this video is while also contributing to the conversation to be had. A prime example for the perfect comment response video. Very much enjoyed the original and this one as well.
I tend to do sentences when I'm playing hangman with my students. It helps them to get comfortable with what a natural word order in an English sentence should look like, plus spelling practice like usual.
The way I've seen ghost played is with a player losing when their entry makes continuing the sequence of characters as a word impossible, so if we consider "ghosted" a word, and players went through the letters "g", "h", "o", "s", and "t", the game wouldn't be over unless no players could think of a word that started with "ghost" (in this case, "ghosted").
I would need to see some examples to show that that isn't just extending gameplay, as applying tense/form modifiers is a solved proposition. One you hit Ghost, you'd end up at Ghosted, Ghoster, Ghosters, Ghosting, etc, 100% of the time, and so there's no point in playing it out, you already know who is going to be forced into that position and lose.
It's funny, because I had watched a couple of your videos years ago when I first got into conlangs. The algorithm recommended me the hangman video super early in its viewcount, and I went and watched a ton more of your videos. I guess it really did blow up, huh.
Fun Fact: The "Y" (said like "Why" in english) in spanish is usually said in two ways, either like "Ye" or "Igriega" the second one being a literal translation of how it was said in Latin.
What is really weird, is that I found this video(s) randomly in April 2021 BUT in April 2020 in between the first video and this one, during a blackout we resorted to doing hangman and other pencil and paper games, which led to a very lengthy and loud argument with my family about what rules of hangman were (or rather were not), and what counted as a letter, almost entirely channeling your video.
Gonna repeat my two pennies on what I noticed about your perfect strategy here then: There could be cases where there's one letter A that on its own would give more information than any other, but there's no letter B with which together it would give more information than a different existing pair C, D. It then might be more optimal to choose C and D over first choosing A, even though both C and D each provide less information than A. I'm not sure how many turns ahead it would be ideal to plan. I guess it depends on the complexity of the word list? I was also reminded of the concept of "information gain", which is used in decision tree learning. I'm not sure how directly it is applicable though. I haven't really thought too deeply through any of this. I'm just throwing out what came to mind. Maybe somebody else can expand on it or tell me if I'm wrong.
Wait, youre the same person as conlang critic?!!??!?!? I watched the hangman one a bit ago, and then a bunch of conlang critic and subscribed for that,,,never realized that you were the same person! Love your vids so far! Edit: *and* youre the guy who did “w”????? Gosh, how did i never figure this out???
one way I like to play hangman is by having the executioner keep adding to the hanged-man stick figure until the guesser wins so not only will the hangedman be hanged, he'll be set on fire, decapitated, shot, have vultures eat his eyes, have a meteor fall on him anything goes that's mostly because loosing hangman isn't really that fun, and making it a creative drawing game is funnier I also once played hangman where the guesser had to guess the sentence "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
I love the stance about the always silent apostraphe... But it is not always silent, as in when it ends a possessee that ends in s. examples being "Ross' Car" where it makes an /es/ sound
Wow look at this guy making a comprehensive and interesting remark, this is exactly the problem with me pointing that out and i should work on my lego build moc
as the kind of person who also likes researching super niche and specific subject for no other reason than a stray question popped into my head, I love your videos!
I love the concept that people make videos to fill the void of not having the topic discussed before. It may be a very niche thing and some videos just wont be popular, it's literally filling the voids of the internet with content never really talked about
@@Pikaton659 In French, it's weirder : many one-syllable words get elided before a vowel (la + orange = l'orange). The H isn't pronounced, which makes the word phonetically start with a vowel, so generally, those words also get elided with words starting with H (le + hôpital = l'hôpital), but for some words, even though the H still isn't pronounced, it's as if it was and the word started with a consonant, even though phonetically, it still starts with a vowel (le + hibou -> le hibou). There's a historical reason for that, of course, but it's still weird. Apart from that, there's just the "ch", which, I will say, actually counts as one grapheme, so the debate about whether the H is pronounced there or not is irrelevant, as the H is only a part of a whole. I would argue this is the same with "nh" and "lh" in Portuguese.
Mercure250 Oh yeah, I know most of the deal with it, I said “believe” just to cover myself. I’m just an American who has just taken quite a few French classes, but in case my instructors had glossed over something I didn’t want to make a large sweeping claim about a different language.
I never thought there would be a time when that logistic curve for views/time would scare me. Strange times we live in. Anyway, I came from the hangman video and really like your channel. I showed the 'w' video to a bunch of people. Ty for the nice videos.
well, i did share the video around here and there. i predict that that video would be one of those videos that would get into everyones recommended section from time to time till the rest of eternity
Great video! Although, usually when we play ghost, we play it so that even if you DO make a real word, if another word is possible to make, the game continues until someone makes a word that no one can add on to. For example, if you spelled out G-H-O-S-T, someone could then add on an S to make it G-H-O-S-T-S. I don't know if everyone plays like this, but it does get rid of some of the confusion of whether or not a word should be counted or not (Now there isn't any argument against G being a word because you can continue that into a variety of other words.)
As a linguistics nut, I really appreciated the first video. And when you made a response addressing comments I knew it would be a good one. Agree with almost all of your points and your research is well appreciated. They point about Y is something I’ve addressed often in word games of my own experience.
If you WERE to make more videos regarding name theory, I'd love to see a video about Nomic. The game's premise is that changing the rules in the middle of the game is completely legal, and in fact what everyone does on their turn. It's very niche and noone talks about it, ever for some reason.
Big fan of the idea of a third video analyzing strategies, and more videos analyzing strange games from a game theory perspective. Loved the hangman content so far!
yup I had some problems staying focused on his speech because of the music. There are video game musics that are too tied to their context to be used elsewhere imo, the whole undertale soundtrack just can't be stripped out of its context for me, it feels wrong to hear it as a background track.. I noticed it was somewhat a medley of various references tho, so I'm intrigued and I want to be able to listen to these remixes on my own. if Jan made it himself, that's damn cool !
7:40- about mastermind: I know a version when both players pick a code in separate boards, and each player exchanges turns to guess the other's code first. That way it's turned into a competition.
This video and the essay that caused it remind me of a 30 minute conversation/argument I once had with a friend over THE UNDENIABLE FACT that Family Feud is a survey-based trivia game while America Says is a survey-based word guessing game because the latter accepts only exactly correct answers while the former will intentionally obfuscate the official submission and accepts general meanings.
So I just wanted to say your hangman video inspired me to write a hangman command line game which doesn't commit to a single word at the start. (I might put it on GitHub later.) (Just putting it out there that I've bren subscribed to you since before the name change)
Jan Misali : Talks about interesting stuff. Me : Try's just listening to the undertale songs instead. (seriously, like it or hate it, it's got a great soundtrack) (I mean, there's megalovania, begun trucking, his theme, some others as well, I love these remixes too)
I love the following quotes: - "see eg. 'w', 'a', 'y'." (a full sentence that's pronouncable as just letter sounds: c. e. g. w. a. y.) - and "I went over the origin of the latin letter 'y' in my video called 'w'". Great work
For the stopping the executioner from cheating comment I’ve already thought of a way around it On your phone have 6 notes each with the word on it then when they ask to see it just open up the note with the word that doesn’t have any letters similar to the ones they chose
The rules of mastermind can also be pretty ambiguous in terms of how many guesses are allowed interestingly. Different versions of the game have different numbers of rows for the guesser to put their guesses
On improving the hangman perfect strategy I have a suggestion. What's important to recognize when making the "perfect" strategy is what assumptions you make. In your original video, you assumed that the word the executioner chose was picked from a uniform distribution of words. However, in real life this is far from the case. When playing a game of hangman, either casually or competitively, the executioner has a bias towards certain types of words. It will less likely choose a simple word like "toast" and often will choose a word that it thinks is hard to guess. When going versus an executioner which is also very competitive, the strategy of choosing a good hangman word needs to be incorporated in the guessing strategy and vice versa. The hardest word is not "j" because when choosing "j" the guesser will know that if the executioner is trying hard like that he will have a bias towards uncommon letters like "j", making him guess "j" before a letter like "e". This makes for a rock paper scissor like decision of going for an easy word because the guesser thinks you go for a hard word. What I'm trying to get at is that the "average" guess is a bad evaluation function and that with a smart executioner the expected count of guesses will be a lot closer to the worst case scenario. However, because neither player know what kind of strategy the other player is using the game of hangman becomes a surprising game of imperfect information and modelling your opponent.
Wow, that's an interesting perspective! You are 100% correct. Guessing what the opponent is thinking, especially when the two players play multiple rounds, either switching roles or not, is a crucial part of hangman. The social dynamics will also factor into the game, and make it very hard to model with a computer. I was about to propose another take on the "perfect" solution. In the main video, the perfect solution requires the guesser to have complete knowledge of the spelling of all English words, together with total accuracy when counting letters and words. However, no human player could achieve this. Therefore, a more feasible way to improve upon the simple letter frequency strategy is to incorporate player's knowledge about English spelling and phonotactics. For example, a word starting with "a" can basically rule out "i", "o", "y" or "z" as the second letter. Fricatives like "sh", "ch", "th" may be good bets when you only figured out one of the two letters. Other common combinations, like "qu", "ly", "le", "er", "ui", "ou", "fl", "wh", "ty", "ing", "tion", and so on can help when narrowing down the choices. The position of the letters in the word adds additional information when considering word length and other known letters. Obviously, this is what players are doing when they play. But it would be interesting to see if it can be more quantified and formalized into rules that a computer can follow. However, since I'm not native in English, my sense of how English spelling and words works isn't the most accurate. I also don't know how to write a program to test these things. So it would be nice if this can be explored in the third hangman video.
As one of the people who like binged all your videos after the hangman one I'm unspeakably thankful haha. I had seen you around but I kind of never actually cared to watch more than the one vid that was recommended. Anyway you really got me interested in ConLangs which kind of pulled me out of a bit of a Depressive episode (as well as therapy but) learning about something new is always so much fun thank you so so much! Good content m8
5.58 - as someone who has spent way too much time playing Hangman, I absolutely refute that. Hangman isn't about being "fun" its about displaying your intellectual superiority and dominance over the opposition. I've played very very competitive games of Hang Man. Usually restricted to just film titles and nearly come to blows with people. "I've never heard of Man Bites Dog, that's not fair, its meant to be stuff people have heard of!" "How am I meant to know what you have and haven't heard of you walt..." :D
since everyone's asking, here's links to the music in this video
sangman: ua-cam.com/video/pPnKwj3QlHs/v-deo.html
secretsh: ua-cam.com/video/X7SbD6SqY40/v-deo.html
toby fox has written hundreds of unique original songs: ua-cam.com/video/boG-l1SwtpU/v-deo.html
seximal fractions: ua-cam.com/video/zGtUPh7PrZc/v-deo.html
nice
Having a bunch of new subscribers, and then asking what video you should do next, might not be the best idea. The new subscribers will just want to see the coolest thing, aka Mario.
why is the toby fox video not available?
weird, it works for me. try this link: open.spotify.com/track/2eSAScqwh1fhhybBzQlWme
great stuff 👍
My favorite cheating method as the executioner is to pick the word ”_ack”, with only the first letter being flexible. The word can be lack, back, sack, hack, pack, tack, rack or jack. If you run out of those, you can resort to wack, mack or yack. Super easy to remember compared to the ”multiple words with no letters in common” method. Much less to keep track of.
Your username paired with this comment emanates chaotic energy
Chaotic neutral detected
oof
Same with _eel
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 *chaotic evil
I love how all it takes is a throwaway comment about hangman being a kinda weird game for people to call you “the problem with America”
BACK IN MY DAY, WE DIDN'T WORRY ABOUT DEATH. WE THREW SWORDS AT EACH OTHER AND *LIKED IT.* IF YOU BROKE A BONE OR NICKED AN ARTERY, YOU *WALKED IT OFF YOU **_PUSSY._*
The problem with America is.... a very good video by Lindybeige about the letter R and the English manner of speaking. Worth a watch.
Complaining about complaining? People like you are the problem with America!
@@whoops3404 I would argue that Boopy Schmoops simply posted an observation, not a complaint.
slug milk And that’s what’s wrong with America! Everyone’s always correctin’ each other and politely saying what they see! If you don’t agree with somebody you just shot them in my day, and the world was tougher for it! (Sarcasm btw)
as a darkness dweller, i really appreciate the black backgrounds on all these videos. it's very easy on my eyes. there is something so refreshing about simple white text on black space, when compared to most other youtubers, who have flashy animations and quick cuts to make the video more interesting, this is a really relaxing break from all that.
Also makes the video easier to watch in bright light, like out in the garden.
David Bray thanks for highlighting(if you’ll forgive the pun) this pleasing feature.
Yes. It’s my favorite thing about this channel.
8:27 Take that back
Harris Zeboki why did you do that, why did you blind me? 😭😂
"a fresh new audience means I can reuse jokes!"
* laughs in binged all of the major videos the day of watching hangman is a weird game *
Including "Here's tree" and "w"?
When as I play as the executioner I find that the word L Y N X is a great pick. People get stumped and guess wildly until I'm adding fingers and toes to the hanged man while they get more and more frustrated.
You can also add a car.
yeah, I myself like the word "NEWT" for the same reasons :)
xylyl can also screw with them
they'd probably guess the l and be stuck on __l_l, they might get the y's but they will unlikely get the x
Try "pnumeoultramicroscopicsillivolcanioconiosis"
Works every time
in both videos you have consistently ignored the diagonal crossbar. I'll never to ask YOU to build some gallows for me. That thing would fall down instantly.
Yes, when I learned to play, it was:
half circle ground, straight pole, diagonal support, crossbar, diagonal support, rope, and so on
And that would be bad because… it's a safety hazard?
What if the hanged man stops himself from dying by standing on the crossbar
It goes on the top, attaching the noose beam to the vertical beam, not the bottom 👌
@@danielrhouck Wouldn't want to hurt the guy your hanging by accident whilst you're hurting him on purpose :p
2:36
It's not enough that the poor guy is being hanged, but he's gotta be hanged while on fire as well?
Ouch.
Is the -hangman- hanged man set on fire before or after the trapdoor thing drops? Because one of those seems a lot more humane.
Well when me and my sister played hangman we chopped the man's body parts off if the guess wasn't right...
@@chocolattefeverdreams4228ngl I think I will teach this way to every child I get the chance to :,)
Gotta love the comments about "being bored enough to make a video on X topic," as if they're not the ones bored enough to watch it!
tbf, it takes a lot less effort and focus to watch a video than to make one
You get comments like that everywhere. mostly it's people who don't know what 'design' means.
It's like that old argument about who is worse, the guy who makes weird porn or the one who pays for it.
We all have to collectively embrace WatchMojo. #stopthehate
I love number theory and recreational mathematics, so I hear this a lot from people. I think the correct response is "I'm not bored; I enjoy this," even if they're trying to be highly dismissive. Otherwise you've already conceded that what you like is boring.
I couldn't remember where I'd heard "fhqwgads" so I looked it up, had a laugh, and nostalgically watched several Strongbad emails.
fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf
fhqwgads
A few years ago I performed a massive experiment with my science students on hangman.
The goal was to determine the length of word most difficult to guess.
I found that the lowest rate of successfully guessing the word was around six or seven letters long.
To conduct the experiment, I compiled list of words by letter length, from two letters long to 10 letters. The words were taken from list of most commonly used words. these words were then randomly assigned to my students, who would play hangman with each other and count the total number of guesses required to reveal the word. (They were instructed to guess letters, not finish the word) if the number of incorrect guess has exceeded 5, it was considered a loss.
There was a fairly smooth trend of success/failure in the results. two-letter words were successfully guest approximately 1/3 of the time, as were the longer words. The lowest success rate was between six and seven letters, at 1/5.
My hypothesis was that shorter and longer words have unique advantages in hangman. Shorter words are usually simpler, and it's easier to figure out the whole word with only a few clues. Longer words tend to have more clues in them, like common suffixes and letter combinations. Also, when they contain more letters, it's harder to make a wrong guess.
I really enjoyed that experiment and it's nice to see someone else thinking critically and technically about this.
Each word length in Hangman is essentially its own game. If the game is being played adversarially, seven-letter Hangman seems to be about right. It's easy to find words of six or fewer letters with high ambiguity: there's no reasonable way to tell which of several words is up other than luck.
Even with seven-letter words, rules need to be made about prefixes and suffixes to keep from just turning four- to six-letter words into seven-letter words in boring ways: consider _asting, which could be basting, casting, fasting, lasting, pasting, wasting, and maybe hasting or masting if the guesser is being generous about the dictionary. So these words are "hard" for the guesser in a really boring way.
Because the game gets so much easier for a good guesser beyond seven letters, you can't really go longer with a reasonable-sized hangedman. Because it gets so stupid for the guesser below seven letters you can't really go shorter. So seven seems like a good compromise.
That's what my software tells me, anyway.
@@BartMassey-PO8 dam these are some long comments
I guess that difficulty curve towards 6 letters is a thing with common english words. Makes me wonder how other languages behave. Some have less or more letters than english, some have more or less short and/or long words. Some like german allow for compound words that allow to totally change the "averageness" or a given length.
Why did you prohibit guessing the word? Was it just to see letter guesses? Personally, I think that skews the results a bit for longer words. If the word is, I don't, admire, and the a-d-m and e are there and your student gets it by saying admire it means the word was figured out one guess sooner than by guessing the "i" and "r". I mean no disrespect because the experiment is really interesting. I guess I would've loved to see it repeated, but with word finishing allowed. I wonder if it would've a difference, on a "large" scale like a 25 student average or so in primary or secondary school. Even more if multiple classes or if this was done in college or by volunteers. Anyways very cool.
@@TheRealJBoss great comment - you can still "guess the word" by guessing all the correct remaining letters, but if your "incorrect word" still has correct letters in it, that is a half-right, half-wrong guess. It was a complicationbin gameplay I couldn't figure out how to incorporate into the analysis.
"essays about incredibly specific topics" just my kind of content
YES! I love hearing people talk about shit they love and that I have NEVER thought of!
Or people talking about shit I have thought about, but that they've obviously thought about *way* more than I have.
To be honest, random set of very specific topics that interest the presenter is, anyway, a description of the successful Tom Scott channel, and to a lesser degree even others like Joe Scott. (Well, I suspect it's more the staff nowadays coming up with the topics on those channels, but still their vibe.)
I feel like these comments are from people who didn't watch all the way through
edit: i've officially played myself aa
I wonder what made you think that
Yea i really hate people who dont watch the video before commenting and just assuming what its about and clicking off
I routinely comment at the video, not after the video.
@@yewwowduck How dare you? You- you traitor
Some of these comments are completely legitimate for someone to have made after watching all the way through, so I posit that you didn’t watch til the end of *this* video before commenting!
Fun Fact: "Y" is still pronounced "Üpsilon" in German (very similarly to how the Greek) pronounce it.
It is also called Ypsilon in Czech and very possibly in other Slavic languages as well.
Michael Heyness In polish it’s „i grek“
And french still calls it "eegrek"
spanish calls it "igriega" (aka i griega = Greek i)
@@imitatsiya Just like in french "i grec" which means the same :D
As a person with a name "Kym", I can confirm that Y is a vowel.
gon pronouce it in welsh
wdym your name is Goblin
As a person named Alexys, I can also confirm
please dont tell me that is pernounced kim
@@mkgaca8721
pronounced* and it probably is lol
In the middle of the video I was like "Is that Silva Gunner music?"
Then I heard GRAND DAD and that confirmed it
It started out innocent enough. I only noticed when goodbye to a world happened and everything devolved into absolute memery.
The person who said "this is exactly the problem with america" is projecting.
Sounds like the problem himself lmao
@@skeletonwguitar4383 That's what projecting is, lol
@@cakeyeater7392 Not necessarily, but that's the common implication.
The problem is guns
@@literallygrass1328 disagree, I dk think it should be a little bit harder to get a gun, but I don't think that guns are the problem, because in places where guns are harder to get there are more murders with knives and other weapons
A lot of tabletop RPGs are called “pencil and paper RPGs” (my guess is that this term is probably also more popular among older players because the older versions didn’t have pre-made character sheets, making it to where you did it all on paper), which is why that person stated that it was a pencil and paper game. I’d say that they’re two totally different categories, even if they share a name. It’s kind of a semantics problem.
In addition to that, there are some RPGs that don't use chance (like dice or cards) and can be played solely with pen, paper and IMAGINATION **inserts SpongeBob meme**
I know the term "pen and paper", for these games, but the meating stays the same. Most stuff is talking (including storytelling and roleplaying) and writing down notes and values.
But I agree that there is some kind of semantic problem. Just like with other half "roleplaying game", that can be anything from children playing shop, to LARP, to TTRPGs and video games. In fact, I'd say that most kind of games can be seen as roleplaying games, as in many the players slide into roles, be it the "policeman" who has to catch the "robbers", or the "soldier" with his branch for a gun, or even someone being a troll on the internet.
Aren't character sheets a kind of paper though?
for all of time, his subscribers will be seperated between post and pre hangman subscribers
6:35 wait, you need dice for that where you're coming from?
We just have the GM play Tic Tac Toe against whoever has to do an ability check. When there's a draw (there always is) the arrangement of noughts and crosses is mapped to a numeric value.
This adds a fair bit of strategy to the game and makes them, well, actual ability checks.
/s (I could imagine that being fun though - if it didn't mean games would take even longer)
I was all excited about this idea for a half-minute, and then I realized that the fact that there's no randomness means there is a well-defined best strategy (or set of equivalent ones) with a unique best score, and everyone would always get exactly that value for their ability check.
Assuming the mapping is by binary bits, the best play is always to take the highest-value square you can that doesn't result in losing the game. With squares ordered left-to-right and top-to-bottom, and "x" going first, I think the final result is:
x o x
x o o
o x x
It's a little interesting, in that the highest-value square is a safe first play (any square is), but the second-highest-value square isn't a safe reply, and so the first player can take the second-highest-value square as well. But then almost every play until the last two is determined by the need to block a next-turn win.
That reminds me of the incredibly cursed idea I came up with for character creation; Each stat is based on the amount of stars you have after playing a game of Mario Party.
There's definitely issues to iron out of the system, but I don't think they matter, since I doubt an entire group of 4 players would want to play a tabletop game with one another after playing that much Mario Party.
@@Superflaming85ye have little faith in the audacity of the autistics (me and my friends)
Everyone: lol Megalovania
Me: FLEENTSTONES?!?!?
well I'm annoyed that it's not the actual sans theme which is easier listening to... but... yeah the Flintstones theme is pretty good
I saw you put up a pic of mastermind after being like “tf is master mind” and then I immediately recognized the picture and that’s how I realized one of my favorite games I ever got for Christmas was a mastermind bootleg
have you seen the movie?
I didn't get from his explanation how its played.
@@Ratchet4647 You can look it up but in short you need to guess the colours of the pegs and there position.
At 8:06 you can see the code which has to be guessed and is made by "the Code Master" at the start of the round, to prevent cheating and well the Code Master remembering the code. The code can be covered with the blue plastic bit to make covering and checking easier.
The person trying to break the code will just place his 4 pegs on the 1st row. (So the top on this picture) And after making a row of 4 pegs (with any combination you want) The Code Master will then compare his code with the one you made. And grand you the small (black or white) or in this case orange and white pegs. One colour* orange in this case means that one of the colours used in that first attempt. Is in the code they are trying to guess, a white peg then means that there is not only one peg with the same colour as in the code the guesser seeks, but that it's in the exact same place.
So after his 1st guess the player will get 0-4 white or orange pegs or a combination of the two which are set on the side of the 4 coloured big pegs. And with this information he will make a 2nd code on the 2nd line from the top. (The idea is that the Code Master sits at the end where he made the code and the guesser sits at the opposite side. Guessing the code and getting closer to the real code with every attempt) And he will again be marked with the pegs and by comparing whether he now has more or less orange and white pegs and what he has changed. You slowly unravel the code or at least try to.
The guessers loses if he fills all the rows with incorrect guesses and he wins once he makes the same code as the Code Master (displayed by 4 white pegs) made before the game. So yeah not that hard in practise you just pick for random of the coloured "big" pegs and then change things up after every line after seeing how much you got right. And so you edge closer to the right code.
I don't fully recall what the rules are for using the multiple colour multiple times, as you definitely can. But I don't recall whether you get 2 orange pegs if you had like 1 blue peg in the guess but there are 2 blue pegs on the answer. Or whether you only get the 1 blue peg as only 1 peg corresponded with the colour. Fairly sure it's the last as otherwise it would be real confusing. You would have to prioritise the right coloured peg on the right place over the wrong place though I think. And in case they are both right (if you did like 4 times blue and the other guy guessed 2 blues, you probably would have to grant you to 2 white pegs rather than 2 orange ones)
Anyway I think that's all you need to know about Mastermind, on a side note the big green part on the right of the gameboard is where all the pegs are typically kept. So if you are actually interested and did not yet ask someone to explain it to you or look it up. Here it is. XD
Have a good day.
*(might be white I don't recall and it depends on your colour coding and in the end doesn't matter as long as it's made clear on forehand)
@@Mahfireballs
Wow
Really cool!
Thanks!
@@Ratchet4647 lol well my pleasure, it's a decent board game and I enjoyed it as a kid. And it takes no time to setup, and can be stopped at any time or played as fast as you please. It can actually be played quite easily on paper although it visually nicer and "more fun" if you got a board and pieces I think.
Anyway have a good day.
For what it's worth "Hangman is a weird game" was the bait for me, "W" was the video that set the hook. Well done on the quality presentation and content. 👍
Exact same!
Hangman gets even weirder with "w" and the bastard language that English is
Same here! I watched the hangman video, thought "oh neat!", then saw the W video and knew I had to subscribe
erm
I've been subscribed to this channel for 2+ years and I've never seen such
a boost in his subscription numbers.
The “that’s Y” gets me every (both) time/times P.S. this is Misali’s comment section, all grammar has to be perfect or death is due
correct grammar is a lie invented by big grammar to sell more grammar
jan Misali I have been noticed
jan Misali hangman is a lie created by jan Misali to sell more hangman
grammar a construct obsolete, death to the prescriptivists
@@PseudoPaint er jy syr ybut deht byqowc vy nidh sam rools tu gawrn ti vej hvi vrajt ta uurdz... I mean it would been a lot easier if we followed the daft grammar rules to a certain extent... As that weird as sentence I wrote would've been a lot easier to read if everyone knew which rules applied to which word...
Are you sure about that because we need some rules to govern the way we write the words. Was what I had written.
I'm not saying that prescriptivists are good, it's just not good to toss away all the rules.
The tease of “the original Mario Bros.” at the end marks this video as a spiritual predecessor in the “how many Super Mario games are there?” series
In a way, you could argue that the "how many super mario games are there" series is a spin-off of the "hangman is a weird game" series
Without exaggeration, this is the most mature "comment response" video I've seen. Looking forward to your next CC episode btw :]
Anti-apostrophicists. I’m subscribed for the insane words you occasionally make up
Hmmm. Seems like a perfectly cromulent word to me
Faciomanual click
_FGHQWGADS_
Levi Lima Oliveira Rodrigues *fhqwhgads
I completely believed and accepted that that was a word and now I'm sad. You're the problem with America.
Hangman 2: Electric Boogaloo
Nice reference
Best comment
YES
how do i find grian references in the most random places
Jason ikr
Gotta say, I laughed my ass off when megalovania started playing, this entire channel is so weirdly specific I didn't even know what hit me. I guess between this, the hangman video and the couple of misc uploads from you I've seen, I have a new channel to add to the list of weird ass channels I love.
Where else do you like?
When did megalovania start playing? I think I heard some other undertale song, but not megalovania
Is Liam Thompson on that list?
@@pqjsmzhwdidigsbrlsyahwnwue8439 When he brought up the apostrophe. The other song was the final song of the game.
@@pqjsmzhwdidigsbrlsyahwnwue8439 have you played Undertale before? (if not, it's worth playing blind for the music/set design alone)
9:54 I heard that Science Blaster, followed up by Porter Robinson's "Goodbye to a World" and then the Flintstones (7 Grand Dad). You can't hide that from me.
Good reference to a certain channel ending, subbed.
i would love if this channel becomes talking about weird games in a game theory prespective
' is not a letter
*Why do I hear boss music*
S- SANS ANS
It is not a letter, but it is a character, just like numbers, space and anything else you can write
@@chadgunner4403 ...
ua-cam.com/video/y4VNZdsjveE/v-deo.html
and here's sans.
ua-cam.com/video/Zzo6L3wsf8c/v-deo.html
(also, I recommend playing the game yourself if you haven't already. you can use the flower's time machine from the Web if you really want to fight Mr Ketchup Drinker.)
@@r033cx If you're going by the stricter definition, you still need to contend with writing (as bu' two examples) Glaswegian or Northern English dialects phonetically. In the following example, I will use
@@maggieent3215 No it's a letter
My evidence is that I am in charge of the alphabet
I am in charge of the Alphabet because I self promoted myself
Frick you
nice reference to Homestar Runner there! you have earned yourself a new subscriber my good sir :)
@@AB-mu6fz (Y'all would love "what if we kissed" in 2019.)
I NEED a **_Blank_ Is a weird game_** series. My life is incomplete until I get this.
"anti-apostrophicists"
I think "apostrophobes" rolls off the tongue better even if it is probably technically incorrect.
That would be people who are afraid of it.
Hey what if you used apostrophicsts in hangman-
But only if you pronounce the in “apostrophobe” the same as how you pronounce it in “apostrophe.”
when the apostrophobes and apostrophiles are engaging in grammar warfare
I think technically it could be "apostrophophobes" but haplology (or haplogy, if you will) will take care of that double "pho".
in russian, the latin Y is still called игрик, pronounced "e greek"
Только всё-таки пишется игрек.
Same in Spanish! "i griega" aka "Greek i." Sometimes if you have to differentiate, you can call i "latin i"
Same in french, "i grec" = 'Greek I'
@placeholdername2222 bloody hell, I always wondered at the French word for Y. Thank you for doing what my French teacher failed to do.
Now can you teach me to actually USE French? 😋
Why does the disembodied demonic voice sound exactly like the one out of the Jackbox packs
it's probably a common voice filter, but i thought the same thing
Yeah I've definitely heard it in trivia night murder party (or at least the filter)
😳What if we kissed in the trivia murder hotel? 😳
Nah jk jk.........Unless?
[REDACTED] x Schmitty is a thing
Trivia murder party was such a fun game
megalovania randomly playing activated my fight or flight response.
what do you think of THIS track?
ua-cam.com/video/qrBB3_rFPjg/v-deo.html (UT spoils, it's one of "politics lady"'s tunes)
Also Homestuck music which I can still recognize instantly. Help.
I heard the Flintstones theme too
omg is a actually TensorFlow’s real name? holy crap im gonna tell everyone
It actually made me start jamming to it with a legit smile on my face, and I suffered through that fight for a whole day, and deeply regretted it afterwards.
Seriously, what time line are you from where you didn't start incessantly humming megalovania for the next several months?
(yes, I literally did that)
(Ps. I still do it from time to time)
Wow dude, you really should try reviewing some conlangs, you'll fit perfectly
Replying so i get notified to whoosh people
u r dum
@@calculovo4219 This isn't reddit, please don't do that here.
@@Arcyse r/woooosh
@@its_elkku135 hello gatekeeper
I so deeply appreciate how absolutely patient, good hearted, and intellectually honest this video is while also contributing to the conversation to be had. A prime example for the perfect comment response video. Very much enjoyed the original and this one as well.
I tend to do sentences when I'm playing hangman with my students. It helps them to get comfortable with what a natural word order in an English sentence should look like, plus spelling practice like usual.
It's like reading, but with extra steps :-)
The way I've seen ghost played is with a player losing when their entry makes continuing the sequence of characters as a word impossible, so if we consider "ghosted" a word, and players went through the letters "g", "h", "o", "s", and "t", the game wouldn't be over unless no players could think of a word that started with "ghost" (in this case, "ghosted").
Funny, because if you think about it, ghosted is a valid word just recently... So in the 80's ghost would have probably let you win some rounds...
I would need to see some examples to show that that isn't just extending gameplay, as applying tense/form modifiers is a solved proposition. One you hit Ghost, you'd end up at Ghosted, Ghoster, Ghosters, Ghosting, etc, 100% of the time, and so there's no point in playing it out, you already know who is going to be forced into that position and lose.
@@rex_melynas ghosted is no longer a valid word?
@@nadeen6968 It used to be invalid before it became an actual word.
@@rex_melynas G-H-O-S-T-BUSTERS!
It's funny, because I had watched a couple of your videos years ago when I first got into conlangs. The algorithm recommended me the hangman video super early in its viewcount, and I went and watched a ton more of your videos. I guess it really did blow up, huh.
i Like playing hangman as the Hanged man. although its always less fun when they forget to free me for too long
personally, I always played ghost with the rule that a player loses when there are no remaining possible words containing the existing letters.
Fun Fact:
The "Y" (said like "Why" in english) in spanish is usually said in two ways, either like "Ye" or "Igriega" the second one being a literal translation of how it was said in Latin.
when in school, I learned the second one
And in French, we literally call it "Greek i".
Had a bit of fun with the background music, did we?
He was gonna have a bad time with the normal music but then he was filled with determination to improve it.
yeah, i heard heartache and was just like “what”
@@alexsampson2630do you think detemmienation helped? (hee hee hee)
to add fire to the "is ' a letter" fire, is a space a word? It's the difference between "do or" and "door" and isn't a sound per se.
stop my brain hurts
but is time a letter
@@jythmivena6617 Typically "uh oh" is written "uh-oh" and that would make " - " a letter not space.
typically before a word that starts with a vowel is a glottal stop, so sometimes a space IS spoken.
Spaces function as word separators. They are not words in and of themselves, but mark the beginnings and ends of words where punctuation does not.
What is really weird, is that I found this video(s) randomly in April 2021 BUT in April 2020 in between the first video and this one, during a blackout we resorted to doing hangman and other pencil and paper games, which led to a very lengthy and loud argument with my family about what rules of hangman were (or rather were not), and what counted as a letter, almost entirely channeling your video.
Gonna repeat my two pennies on what I noticed about your perfect strategy here then: There could be cases where there's one letter A that on its own would give more information than any other, but there's no letter B with which together it would give more information than a different existing pair C, D. It then might be more optimal to choose C and D over first choosing A, even though both C and D each provide less information than A. I'm not sure how many turns ahead it would be ideal to plan. I guess it depends on the complexity of the word list?
I was also reminded of the concept of "information gain", which is used in decision tree learning. I'm not sure how directly it is applicable though.
I haven't really thought too deeply through any of this. I'm just throwing out what came to mind. Maybe somebody else can expand on it or tell me if I'm wrong.
Misali, I heard that sneaky Megalovania. You can't trick me
.-. I paused the video, scrolled into the comments section, and pressed play again and THEN it started
i heard hopes and dreams but not megolovania.
@@vari1535 Me too!
also every other song from Undertale
I heard ASGORE. He played a lot of undertale music
Wait, youre the same person as conlang critic?!!??!?!? I watched the hangman one a bit ago, and then a bunch of conlang critic and subscribed for that,,,never realized that you were the same person! Love your vids so far!
Edit: *and* youre the guy who did “w”????? Gosh, how did i never figure this out???
people in the comments talking about megalovania when i'm here catching lord english's theme lol
Also Grand Dad
omfg
YEAH
I caught His Theme/Undertale
Oh shit, I never would have caught that if you didn't mention it. Luckily it was playing in the video at the exact moment I read this comment lol
one way I like to play hangman is by having the executioner keep adding to the hanged-man stick figure until the guesser wins
so not only will the hangedman be hanged, he'll be set on fire, decapitated, shot, have vultures eat his eyes, have a meteor fall on him
anything goes
that's mostly because loosing hangman isn't really that fun, and making it a creative drawing game is funnier
I also once played hangman where the guesser had to guess the sentence "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"
I love the stance about the always silent apostraphe... But it is not always silent, as in when it ends a possessee that ends in s. examples being "Ross' Car" where it makes an /es/ sound
I'll let you make me guess apostrophe then I'll add ellipsis to the end of my sentences in hangman
As one character? Or three?
@@E4439Qv5 yes
4:10 Anti-apostrophicists is my new favorite word, thank you
i watched "w" a long time ago and apparently never subbed to you and im glad i found you again you're wonderful
Imagine trying to correct someone who literally invents languages for fun on what is and isn't a letter/punctuation/vowel
it is so cosmically unnerving to listen to someone talking about 20 goddamn questions and then realize the bringer of double-death is already here.
the delivery and timeing on the drumfill for the game theory joke really caught me off time, thank you for that
1:38 wow, look at this guy making a whole comment critiquing a video he didn't even watch in its entirety. this is exactly the problem with America.
Wow look at this guy making a comprehensive and interesting remark, this is exactly the problem with me pointing that out and i should work on my lego build moc
I mean, it's a valid point, it was just not what the video was about.
@@Seth_Hezekiah Not really, because he didn't really have a problem with the theme, but just thought it was weird.
@@idontwantmyrealnameonhere5955 that's...what I said.
@@Seth_Hezekiah What was the valid point?
this man has made me spend 30+ minutes of my life watching vidoes about hangman
and you know what.. it was actually enjoyable good job sir
as the kind of person who also likes researching super niche and specific subject for no other reason than a stray question popped into my head, I love your videos!
I love the concept that people make videos to fill the void of not having the topic discussed before. It may be a very niche thing and some videos just wont be popular, it's literally filling the voids of the internet with content never really talked about
4:21 in portuguese the letter 'h' is never pronouced, so i dont think it is a strech
@RFT But H is not pronounced anyway, as it just modifies the previous letter
Loan words can have pronounced "H" like "jihad".
I believe the same holds true for french.
@@Pikaton659 In French, it's weirder : many one-syllable words get elided before a vowel (la + orange = l'orange). The H isn't pronounced, which makes the word phonetically start with a vowel, so generally, those words also get elided with words starting with H (le + hôpital = l'hôpital), but for some words, even though the H still isn't pronounced, it's as if it was and the word started with a consonant, even though phonetically, it still starts with a vowel (le + hibou -> le hibou).
There's a historical reason for that, of course, but it's still weird.
Apart from that, there's just the "ch", which, I will say, actually counts as one grapheme, so the debate about whether the H is pronounced there or not is irrelevant, as the H is only a part of a whole. I would argue this is the same with "nh" and "lh" in Portuguese.
Mercure250 Oh yeah, I know most of the deal with it, I said “believe” just to cover myself. I’m just an American who has just taken quite a few French classes, but in case my instructors had glossed over something I didn’t want to make a large sweeping claim about a different language.
I never thought there would be a time when that logistic curve for views/time would scare me. Strange times we live in. Anyway, I came from the hangman video and really like your channel. I showed the 'w' video to a bunch of people. Ty for the nice videos.
oh, and I like your conlang videos too but most of that stuff flies over my head despite my interest in linguistics.
Exactly me
well, i did share the video around here and there. i predict that that video would be one of those videos that would get into everyones recommended section from time to time till the rest of eternity
cant wait to randomly rewatch it in 2 years and see the entire comments section filled with "anyone else here from the youtube algorithm?"
@@3thanguy7 that will be annoying
Great video! Although, usually when we play ghost, we play it so that even if you DO make a real word, if another word is possible to make, the game continues until someone makes a word that no one can add on to. For example, if you spelled out G-H-O-S-T, someone could then add on an S to make it G-H-O-S-T-S. I don't know if everyone plays like this, but it does get rid of some of the confusion of whether or not a word should be counted or not (Now there isn't any argument against G being a word because you can continue that into a variety of other words.)
As a linguistics nut, I really appreciated the first video. And when you made a response addressing comments I knew it would be a good one. Agree with almost all of your points and your research is well appreciated. They point about Y is something I’ve addressed often in word games of my own experience.
It took me way too long to realise it was Undertale music playing in the background. A man of culture.
PLEASE do the third video on hangman analyzing more strategies.
wonderful video jan Misali I have watched the entire thing already clearly so I can have an educated response
If you WERE to make more videos regarding name theory, I'd love to see a video about Nomic. The game's premise is that changing the rules in the middle of the game is completely legal, and in fact what everyone does on their turn. It's very niche and noone talks about it, ever for some reason.
Big fan of the idea of a third video analyzing strategies, and more videos analyzing strange games from a game theory perspective. Loved the hangman content so far!
I heard some good ol' grand dad in the bgm toward the end there
Thank you Mr. Michigan
The quasi homestuck undertale music in the background kept distracting me every time I heard a leitmotif I recognized.
yup I had some problems staying focused on his speech because of the music.
There are video game musics that are too tied to their context to be used elsewhere imo, the whole undertale soundtrack just can't be stripped out of its context for me, it feels wrong to hear it as a background track..
I noticed it was somewhat a medley of various references tho, so I'm intrigued and I want to be able to listen to these remixes on my own. if Jan made it himself, that's damn cool !
Conrad Gomez the megalovania i could tune out but the Sunsetter/sunslammer i absolutely could not
@@cirlu_bd I heard from someone else it might be from Jan's "toby fox only writes the same music" video?
@@maggieent3215 just fiy jan isn't his name, jan means something like person :)
I was popping off at the intro of Oppa Toby Style
The soundtrack to this sounds like some siivagunner music. I'm 100% sure I heard the flintstones thrown in around 10:00.
7:40- about mastermind: I know a version when both players pick a code in separate boards, and each player exchanges turns to guess the other's code first. That way it's turned into a competition.
This video and the essay that caused it remind me of a 30 minute conversation/argument I once had with a friend over THE UNDENIABLE FACT that Family Feud is a survey-based trivia game while America Says is a survey-based word guessing game because the latter accepts only exactly correct answers while the former will intentionally obfuscate the official submission and accepts general meanings.
Genuinely so excited for hangman 3!
Lmao the original views wtf. Jan Misali is going mainstream huh
"I have watched jan Misali before it was cool"
feels weird.
@@livedandletdie Very weird.
@RFT extrêmement bizarre
Just to be pedantic, the original Mario Bros. was released in 1983. 1981 was the release year of Donkey Kong.
yeah. oops
I'm a simple woman, I see Phoenix Wright, my respect immediately devotes itself to you.
hearing a cover of the music written for a webcomic in a video responding to comments to a video discussing a game is why i love internet
So I just wanted to say your hangman video inspired me to write a hangman command line game which doesn't commit to a single word at the start. (I might put it on GitHub later.)
(Just putting it out there that I've bren subscribed to you since before the name change)
I think i subbed from "a better way to count" but I'm sure I watched a vid or 2 before that.
Can you post a link here when you post it on github?
That sounds like a legitimately interesting code challenge.
I feel like I may be witnessing the beginning of something seriously big here
a surge in whiteboard game tournaments? (joke)
I remember the before time, in the long, long ago. Back when Hangman was a simple morbid topic and not just on many of our to-do lists.
Jan Misali : Talks about interesting stuff.
Me : Try's just listening to the undertale songs instead.
(seriously, like it or hate it, it's got a great soundtrack)
(I mean, there's megalovania, begun trucking, his theme, some others as well, I love these remixes too)
Lmao begun trucking
same-
@@beardedglowsquid Yeah, that's probably not how it's spelled XD!
I love the following quotes:
- "see eg. 'w', 'a', 'y'." (a full sentence that's pronouncable as just letter sounds: c. e. g. w. a. y.)
- and "I went over the origin of the latin letter 'y' in my video called 'w'".
Great work
Subbed so I can hear about the tournament of hangman strategies. That deadass sounds really fun
For the stopping the executioner from cheating comment I’ve already thought of a way around it
On your phone have 6 notes each with the word on it then when they ask to see it just open up the note with the word that doesn’t have any letters similar to the ones they chose
I like how the comments you read sound like the trivia murder party guy
The rules of mastermind can also be pretty ambiguous in terms of how many guesses are allowed interestingly. Different versions of the game have different numbers of rows for the guesser to put their guesses
In depth video essays about obscure topics are my favorite. I'm definitely going to be sticking around.
Misali: Makes a video about hangman.
People: *"A c t u a l l y"*
My, multiple Undertale remixes.
I heard goddamn Fleenstones in the background of this one too
and HOMESTUCK
dont forget the HOMESTUCK
Mainly megalomania or whatever sans’ theme is from what I heard in the background.
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@@timothyross8834 you can't fight the homestuck
Lord English's theme at 7:14 was a nice surprise
On improving the hangman perfect strategy I have a suggestion.
What's important to recognize when making the "perfect" strategy is what assumptions you make. In your original video, you assumed that the word the executioner chose was picked from a uniform distribution of words. However, in real life this is far from the case. When playing a game of hangman, either casually or competitively, the executioner has a bias towards certain types of words. It will less likely choose a simple word like "toast" and often will choose a word that it thinks is hard to guess.
When going versus an executioner which is also very competitive, the strategy of choosing a good hangman word needs to be incorporated in the guessing strategy and vice versa. The hardest word is not "j" because when choosing "j" the guesser will know that if the executioner is trying hard like that he will have a bias towards uncommon letters like "j", making him guess "j" before a letter like "e". This makes for a rock paper scissor like decision of going for an easy word because the guesser thinks you go for a hard word.
What I'm trying to get at is that the "average" guess is a bad evaluation function and that with a smart executioner the expected count of guesses will be a lot closer to the worst case scenario. However, because neither player know what kind of strategy the other player is using the game of hangman becomes a surprising game of imperfect information and modelling your opponent.
Wow, that's an interesting perspective! You are 100% correct. Guessing what the opponent is thinking, especially when the two players play multiple rounds, either switching roles or not, is a crucial part of hangman. The social dynamics will also factor into the game, and make it very hard to model with a computer.
I was about to propose another take on the "perfect" solution. In the main video, the perfect solution requires the guesser to have complete knowledge of the spelling of all English words, together with total accuracy when counting letters and words. However, no human player could achieve this. Therefore, a more feasible way to improve upon the simple letter frequency strategy is to incorporate player's knowledge about English spelling and phonotactics. For example, a word starting with "a" can basically rule out "i", "o", "y" or "z" as the second letter. Fricatives like "sh", "ch", "th" may be good bets when you only figured out one of the two letters. Other common combinations, like "qu", "ly", "le", "er", "ui", "ou", "fl", "wh", "ty", "ing", "tion", and so on can help when narrowing down the choices. The position of the letters in the word adds additional information when considering word length and other known letters. Obviously, this is what players are doing when they play. But it would be interesting to see if it can be more quantified and formalized into rules that a computer can follow. However, since I'm not native in English, my sense of how English spelling and words works isn't the most accurate. I also don't know how to write a program to test these things. So it would be nice if this can be explored in the third hangman video.
As one of the people who like binged all your videos after the hangman one I'm unspeakably thankful haha. I had seen you around but I kind of never actually cared to watch more than the one vid that was recommended.
Anyway you really got me interested in ConLangs which kind of pulled me out of a bit of a Depressive episode (as well as therapy but) learning about something new is always so much fun thank you so so much! Good content m8
5.58 - as someone who has spent way too much time playing Hangman, I absolutely refute that. Hangman isn't about being "fun" its about displaying your intellectual superiority and dominance over the opposition. I've played very very competitive games of Hang Man. Usually restricted to just film titles and nearly come to blows with people. "I've never heard of Man Bites Dog, that's not fair, its meant to be stuff people have heard of!" "How am I meant to know what you have and haven't heard of you walt..." :D