Brexit Wipes Out UK’s BIGGEST Steelworks. Decimates Wales. Media Covered It Up.
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Why is the Port Talbot steelworks really closing its blast furnaces at the cost of 3000 jobs? Is it because of net zero green policies, like the right wing media says? Byline TV's Caolan Robertson went to Port Talbot and spoke to locals, steelworkers, economists and politicians to expose the truth about the end of British steel.
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Liars the lot of them. "I didn't know what I was voting for!"..or "I was lied to!" No, you all knew what you were voting for..."getting rid of all the people from abroard!" And the chef's kiss is you won't ever get that either.
That is 100% why most people voted to leave the EU I believe
Well t be fair Eu is quiet complicated to understand, And politician in Eu make a guilty pleasure to said sometimes "its EU faults if we have to do this or that" even if its not true. So the problems is there, lies sleeping for 20 40 years. Then people realised that the problem was not EU but leaving Eu made new problems appears, without solving old ones.
@@mathieuphilippe6549yes the EU was the government escape goat, but when we finaly left they no longer had the EU to blame for all there shit aweful ideas and plans.
Funny part is, they already worked for Tata. India is just getting the jobs home to make ot's voters happy Brexit style :)
getting rid of black and brown people to be more exact 😂
Gosh, if only millions of Brits warned millions of other Brits that Brexit was a really dumb idea.
Oh, wait. They did.
Your soy based diet explains a lot
@@HarryFlashmanVCit must hurt, being owned by a person whose eating habits you irrationally hate.
@mrbadguysan you're appearing to confuse me with someone who gives an aeronautical copulation for your opinions.
@@HarryFlashmanVC But you do seem to have attacked someone for no reason. Did you vote to leave or stay? Real question.
I feel the same is happening right now in America. Some Americans would gladly vote in a fascist dictatorship not realizing that all of their protections, freedoms and rights just disappear within a few years.Only to later crying "They are not hurting the people they are supposed to be hurting" (just like a MAGA grandmother complained on national tv)
Didn’t Nigel Farage say that if you want to save the UK steel industry you should vote for Brexit, for leaving the EU… ??? Can we all agree that Farage lied?
I don't feel a single bit sorry for anyone that voted for Brexit and then lost their job. They refused to listen to anyone telling them Brexit was a bad idea but they decided on what they wanted and accepted the consequences of their choices whatever it may have been back in 2016.
Me neither. I only feel sorry for the people who voted against but are now dragged along.
What idiots you are. No compassion for people who’ve been sold down the river.
Redcar steelworks closed in 2015. Britain was a member of the EU in 2015.
@@davidpryle3935 if you were born while UK was in the EU would that be the EU's fault?
@@navi2710 I know, I know. I shouldn’t have mentioned the FACT that the Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was in the EU. I forgot, it doesn’t suit the narrative.
If we can blame Palestineans for voting for Hamas, we ought to blams Brits for voting for Brexit.
lol.. I’m African… I knew enough sociopolitical issues to know it was a bad idea… make your bed, now lay in it.
Too many Britons didn't know or even wanted to know that EU enables its members to get from each other what is needed for a good life.
There is food and chip machines from the Netherlands and fashion and furniture and cars from Italy and food and cars and luxury goods from France and services were provided by the UK and....and..... . So the single member state NEEDN'T produce EVERYTHING itself in order to to avoid importing more expensive goods from afar.
That is the hard lesson the UK had to learn . To make things worse, the UK is less capable of feeding her population or supplying them with the necessary goods without the help of EU countries at a higher price than before.
One of the best documentaries I have ever seen. Great work!
Trump advocated for Brexit in 2016, quite publicly. Is the UK tired of all the winning yet?
Boris and Farage have much to answer for.
IS it Brexit? Are you sure it's not corporations. I mean come on let's get real. The global economy is the new way to say that we're going to farm out work to the cheapest labor cost possible.
Remember the days when people who pointed this out were called “scaremongers” and promoting “project fear”. Well, I hope you’re happy with your purchase.
@MaartenOtto. I agree for the most part. It's just another chapter in the managed decline of the UK. People were deliberately sold a good lie. If it's too good to be true, then it's a con. It's always someone else's fault with these Tories, the UK needs to take power back from Brussels, then we can have nice things. OK, you got Brexit. Things are still crap. A lack of accessible and affordable housing. A crumbling public sector to name a few things. Who else can they blame? I know, migrants. progressives, It's tiresome. I'm old enough to have lived through their cycle and smell their BS from a mile off. I'm tired, it's pathetic how these people think they have credibility and an authority on what this country needs to thrive. The past 15 years and the Thatcher reverberations are evidence enough that this form of government just doesn't work for the majority. These people are liars, crooks, thieves and any other nasty thing you can think of to describe them.
And remember when we told you lot illegal migration was bad and you called us racist. I hope your happy with your mess.
Four years on after Brexit, and that supposed exodus of talent from Britain is yet to emerge. The UK’s capital has been attracting talent instead. Last week, oil and gas company Exxon Mobil asked traders in Brussels to cross the Channel and relocate to London, writing in an email that they had to either up sticks from the bloc’s HQ or leave the company. The statement won’t be music to Remoaners’ ears:
“As we continue to strengthen our trading community, London provides better proximity to trading activities, trading talent pool, and will support our evolution as a trading organization.”
Exxon has already made the savvy move of transferring its UK traders from commuter town Leatherhead to the capital, all to allure top-tier talent. Fuelling yet another win for Brexit Britain…
@@markperrin8098 So it's good for the parasitic bankers? Go tell a steel worker that, I'll call the ambulance!
@@Ffinity
1) Modern arc furnaces can produce high quality steel.
2) Port Talbot will produce approximately the same amount of steel as with its existing furnaces, with less workers.
3) Other than A.merica the UK exports more scrap metal than any other country in the world, some 8 million tons, often to those cheap foreign steelworks the EU is so terrified of.
4) Investing in new arc furnaces is a significant commitment to UK steel for at least 20-30 years.
5) The new furnaces will cut carbon emissions by 50 million tons over a decade, or the equivalent of 2 million homes.
If this is because of Brexit, then hallelujah for another brilliant Brexit benefit.
The UK is now in its twilight years... It's a sinking ship and regardless of which party is in power will not be able to change it. The money that our services, infrastructure and welfare costs now require is now more than what our own county can generate in the form of taxes, and we don't have enough money coming in from foreign investment. There is no way out of this without drop in living standards, this is just a fact of living in the UK from now on.
Only for the middle class and the poor though. Not the rich. They are going to get even richer. You can be rest assured
You chose to believe Boris over experts. You get what you deserve.
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So why did the Redcar steelworks close in 2015, when Britain was in the EU ?
@@davidpryle3935 Global steel prices dropped causing it to become unsustainable. But the other steelworks were fine.
@@davidpryle3935Kevin, just stop. You’re looking desperate mate
@@Believe-you-me-no they were dying just at a different rate. It is policy to end all heavy industry l
One British comedian said that voting for Brexit was akin to showing your dislike of a motel by taking a shit in the bed but then realising you now have to spend a night in a shitted bed.
Rather, realising you now have to spend the rest of your life in a shitted bed.......
Its the first time in history that a country imposed economic sanctions on itself
That's why he's a comedian and not a serious person.
... and anyone which at least a modicum of good sense knows that comedians are not to be taken seriously.
Leaving the EU was about abandoning unresponsive and unaccountable governance by persons the public cannot remove from office and replacing it with representative democracy.
During the referendum campaign, the "Remain" side played a blinder. It kept the debate firmly focused on the putative economic consequences of leaving the EU. However, this wasn't successful, because it was the political consequences of continued membership which was the important issue.
The "Leave" campaign gained traction because unrestricted immigration from eastern Europe was undermining the workman's collective bargaining position and the tradesman's pricing power. When these persons appealed to government for protection, the government replied that it could do nothing because the EU wouldn't let it. So those being impoverished by the immigration demanded that the government get the EU to change its rules. David Cameron went to Brussels asking for this to happen. He was told to "go forth and multiply". This left only one course of action for those seeking redress of their grievance... for the UK to leave the EU.
The taxpayers pay the government's salaries. The taxpayers expect the government to do as it is told by the electorate. Now that the political class is answerable to the public once more, that should not be an unreasonable expectation. The political class, not unnaturally, don't want to be answerable to the public, and many resent losing access to a trough that is significantly deeper and richer than is the UK's trough. Consequently, we are being exposed to all this authoritarian nonsense about leaving the EU having been a bad thing.
Change always brings winners and losers. That is the nature of change. In this particular case the losers are a highly vocal minority. That's why everyone is being bombarded with false claims.
@@sauermaischeyahoo7834 anyone with a modicum of common sense knows the jester was the only one allowed to speak freely in the king's court
The problem wasn't with the people lying. It was with the people that wanted to believe the lies.
Of corse they did, lol easier to blame the others.
Precisely, Mrniceguy6050! Well said!
That’s if you believe these people were motivated by lies; as opposed to an opportunity to stick it to foreigners and people with different skin colours to them.
@@matthewyabsleylike all cults, sadly they do actually believe lies that are very obvious to those of us who are not in a cult. You know if they are in a cult if they are able to watch more than a few seconds of any right-wing media outlet without becoming physically ill - literally. The very reason that they are bigots is because they are prone to such thoughts in the first place and why they seek-out whichever cult in their region that supports their bigoted beliefs. For example, if a person with similar damage to their prefrontal cortex is born in the Middle East, then they might be attracted to one of the major right-wing extremist cults like ISIS. If they are born in the USA, then they will be able to watch Fox "news" and right-wing podcasts... which leads them to the world's most vile cult: Treasonous Trump's Chumps (formerly known as the "Republican Party"). In the UK, they are able to watch Rupert Murdock's media misinformation networks and are part of the Tory cult. All those people are the same in the way that matters most about what defines them as bigots: their local right-wing extremist cult.
@@matthewyabsley honestly I think they were just giving people what they wanted. We want somebody to tell us that the countries problems are not our fault. What better than to blame immigrant or the eu for the issues we caused ourselves. And this is not just happening in the Uk
Didn't the majority of Wales vote for Brexit? Ignorance is no excuse!
No lies told.
They were LIED TO .. and we have all the evidence now
If you dont think and elitist London Metals Trader like Farrage is not going to LIE to win .. .. dont buy a used care
@@GWills-ys6rd Yes Turkey's voting for Christmas. You don't bite off the hand that feeds you!
@@GWills-ys6rd ignorance is no excuse for woke deluded lefties voting against Brexit so they should not now be complaining when democracy has been overwhelmingly voted to leave the EU? Remember we’re not voting against European countries we love to visit or trade with .😇 isn’t life wonderful 😎🇬🇧😂👍
@@johnneil4777 we don’t rely on the undemocratic bankrupt EU for refunds of huge sums that we have paid into there corrupt coffers.socialist arithmetic gov taxes the people and the people should be thankful for the pittance paid back in benefits, and refunds.And we’re supposed to feel grateful ?🤔?
Blows my mind that Bojo 🤡 and Farage 🤥 still have loyal supporters 🤪
Some still believe it is "the foreigners" that is ruining the economy.
They are not affected by this. It will take a while more.
Willfully blind maybe?
There are a lot of supporters still queuing to get the money to build a cosy estate on a tropical island ....
Once they're down the rabbit hole of lies its nearly impossible to get out.
I read in the early stages of covid about a Trump supporter who would still vote for Trump *after* getting covid and recovering from it in hospital. This was at the stage that the orange one denied it was a big deal.
"People didnt see it..." - WE TOLD YOU!!! its so frustrating. The gullibility...
Peopled I'd not want to see it.
I have someone very dear to me who now denies ever wanting & voting for brexit. A close friend apologised re voting for brexit. Someone else spoke endlessly re wanting brexit but now denies it .. he was the dimmest by far. What an @ss he is & I will not take his calls. Bring on the GE, let's start fixing something for a change.
Yes, we did see it! We saw it so fucking clearly & we tried to warn the Leave voters, only to be mocked & silenced at every turn.
And now we're all in the shit. Honestly, anyone that voted Leave should have to pay some form of reparations to the rest of us for fucking us over.
You couldn't have made it up... 16 million people, almost half the electorate, actually voted for unresponsive and unaccountable governance by persons the public cannot remove from office.
The reality is that none of the potential opportunities have been capitalised upon. The dribbling masses have been divided and conquered and the elites can quite literally do what they like
I asked my British friend the day of the vote, Is being alone making you stronger or weaker? His answer was, weaker. He then still proceeded too vote leave..
Is it better now after brexit?😅
@thetruth9210 yes, it was my fault.. now you are out of the European Union. My apologies
@thetruth9210 it's is not about how many trade deals EU has.. it is about free trade with your neighbouring country's. Pointing out that others have a better economy than Germany doesn't mean anything. Instead, tell me how the UK performs today compared to European country's... I can help 😌 Research by the Centre for European Reform suggests the UK economy is 2.5% smaller than it would have been if Remain had won the referendum. Public finances fell by £26 billion a year. This amounts to £500 million a week and is growing, Google source
@thetruth9210 I also don't care for your post, just like YT.. Same for your economy discussion.. I asked a friend a question, and he got the answer right...
@thetruth9210 it was a hypothetical question for a friend, not a quiz. I am sure you voted to leave. And I just don't care for your situation or what you believe about your economy.
The irony is that the Welsh voted to leave more than any other area in the UK whilst at the same time being the UKs biggest recipient of EU investment. You cant make it up....what exactly did these people expect. The idea that people are only just now are waking up to the ramifications of the their idiotic choices is absurd when it was crystal clear at the time what would happen. And now we here and we will be dealing with these choices for generations.
For generations? Forever. The UK will never rejoin the EU unfortunately. 😢
The Welsh didn't vote to leave. Wales voted Leave 52-48, and what tipped the scale was the English vote, especially the pensioners. Leave won by 82,000, there are twice that many English pensioners in Wales, and their districts overwhelmingly voted Leave. The more Welsh a district was, the more likely it voted Remain.
@@BalefulBunyip The UK will never be economically eligible to join. They are going to collapse fast. The UK way of life is going to become more similar to india, but worse due to having less resources.
@@rifelaw The brexit vote was always nonsense. The way they did the Yes/No would have grouped soft brexiters with hard brexiters. Soft brexiters have nothing in common with hard brexiters. Soft brexiters should have counted as remainers. The poll was designed to mislead people and fake more support for hard brexit.
Indeed. Modern Wales was built by the EU. It’s like Monty Python, “What did the EU ever did for us in Wales?” The EU, “Everything. We just checked the invoices. We bank rolled you.”
Wait a minute. U folks chose to believe the lies. There were people telling u that boris was lying.
And getting abuse for doing so
they only read tory newspapers
The man who voted Tory because he thought that they were pro business must not have heard the warnings from business over Brexit or that Boris Johnson in reply said 'fuck business'. In any case the Tories' interest in business has been interest in profits, not in workers or jobs.
I am from Brazil, I never been to the UK before, and even i could see the Brexit was a shot in the foot.
Really? How do you prefer Brazil. As an independent country or if it were to be subordinated to a supra national entity like EU?
@@pobinr , what a misconceiving question. That is the whole concept behind the United States. All 50 states recognize that they are much more powerful united, working under a single banner than being totally independent. That has been the overwhelming consensus since the Civil War. If I were British, I would prefer a strong UK, united with Europe over total independence but still having to bow to China, India, the US and Europe because we are too weak to compete with them.
@@pobinrBut, Brazil is working to get the EU&Mercosur trade deal done ... Because it opens markets etc.
For example Brazil would never separate from Mercosur, in fact, we welcomed Bolivia last year 😂
@@dxd42 yes a free trade deal. EU membership is different. It's not free trade. It's insidious political union by stealth.
It's not just about 1 or 2% GDP.
What about 80% of fish in our waters given away, sovereignty, £12bn/yr, not permitted to do our own trade deals, mass immigration of unskilled taking jobs, driving down wages, filling up housing etc
Remaintards thought this was a good deal🤔🙄
@@madinkan OK try this. A residents association that tells you to leave your front door open & can override any decisions you make regarding how you must run your household.
The big benefit for you being, you participate in some small way in how other people run their households & you gain the right to wander into their houses 🤔🙄
Great
Fine you don't really believe in separate nations. You want more & more centralised control. But the British people value democracy & independence sacrificed for a pathetic bad trade deal on EU trade that's only 10% of UK economy, over globalism & the EU.
UK 2016 - "I am divorcing my billionaire husband, even though we don't have a prenup, because there are hundreds of young and rich men out there, standing in line for me."
Don't forget that UK 2016 is old and unattractive full of weird beliefs that they are sexy...
Pretty much. "We only need to ditch the Europeans, then the Empire will come back all by itself..."
It changes from country to country. But divorsing without a prenup would mostly mean marital assets (50-50) so it would be better than a prenup.
@@Exodon2020came back by boats
Addendum:
1. The Brit wife is without money, over 50 years old, and is wondering why young wealthy men are not interested.
2. The British Empire wealth existed by plundering other countries. That's gone, fellas.
Brexit the most unsatisfying I told you so since a soldier on the walls of Troy said "there's something wrong with that horse."
Then a second soldier laughed his words away with "Are you afraid of a wooden horse ? Project fear again ? "
And the third said, its a happy horse!
This is just the beginning of Britain's brutal demise. Its arrogance, xenophobia, and false sense of worth has caused one of the most stunning and unnecessary cases of self sabotage in human history.
Yes!
Wow well said! Yes it w ell take years to get back what you lost ,if ever ! 😢
And that would be an under-statement.
@@blue_jay31 We're getting exactly what we deserve after a very long period of arrogance. Hopefully in a few decades time the British public will have learned that the Empire no longer exists and we need to work together with other nations rather than think we're above them. I've become so ashamed of the UK over the past 8 years that I cannot refer to myself as British anymore.
@@iaincochrane8741 I dont see why Scotland would want to remain. Scotland is much more alligned with EU politically than Westminister anyways. Westminister is not a democracy.
Scotland should go independent, join the EU and charge ahead in economic growth.
Scotland economy is so intertwined with England, that borders will hurt. But considering they gain the free market of the EU, and freedom of movement.
I doubt the transition would be very hard, atleast compared to this hard brexit. The EU has alot of economic might to help out.
My country of Norway is not in EU, but we are a special case who has so much natural resources that it actually would be a net loss to join EU due to how wealthy we are. And kinda why we do not join. But most economies do not work like Norway. If Norway did not have all the oil, we would certainly be in the EU aswell. Anything else would be economic stupid.
Alltho you could argue staying out of the EU is bad for us longterm, cause the oil will end. And we will be late to carve out our share of the EU market. But dutch disease makes running competitive businesses very hard in Norway. Oil sector pushes up the salaries, making steel work etc unprofitable. As they need to compete with the oil sector for workers. Aka pushing wages up.
Thats why most of Norways industry died or moved to other countries.
"They lied to us! Blah, blah, blah." Half the population was telling you they were lying and what the consequences would be.
@qweqwe9678 Agreed.
Vote leave lied to everyone, we all heard the lies, some of us saw through the lies, sone believed them becauae they confirmed their bigotry thats why i have no sympathy with these people they didnt just destroy themselves they destroyed all of us. Unforgiveable
This is it. This is why I'm so furious.
😂😂😂 well people supported BoJo because he was the only one promising a hard Brexit. Now the Brexiteers are the loudest Remouners. Maybe the harder things get, the less propensity for stupid decisions in the future. No doctors, no nurses, no truck drivers, no fruit pickers, no shop staff, no care home workers, no steel, no coal, no £300m.
Project fear:
Immediate economic shock
Emergency budget
Recession
820k job fall
£4,300pa income loss
City leaves
10 years for trade deals
Higher tariffs
No deal
No medical isotopes
Food shortages
Drug shortages
Airbus and Nissan leave
Lies, lies & damn lies
I visited the area on a business trip a few weeks ago, shortly after the steel works closure was announced (I am from the continent). People seemed to be lazer-focused on immigrants as the source of the problem. The reality is everybody treats the place like a trash dump. Litter everywhere, lots of broken things, everything dirty. They are talking so highly of their place, and yet they treat it like shit, and then try to blame othery for what they are doing. Brexit mentality is still strong in that area.
I see this everywhere. Brits have been condition to punch down. This deflects the blame from those who have been in power and who are responsible for this mess.
Very accurate observation
The economist nailed it. "Take back control? we've just given it away"
However, the slogan was completely true. It is just that the people were mistaken when they thought they were included in the "we" implied in "take back control".
Tories always intended the "we" to mean ONLY the Tory politicians themselves and their rich donors. And they have taken back control alright. Until the house of cards collapses...
For sure,you had more control in the E.U. ! 😢
No, you did in fact, take back control. Problem is, now nobody wants to deal with you anymore and everybody's leaving for better shores.
a disingenuous statement as I suspect you realise, trying to support your politically motivated anti Brexit stance. "Take back control? referred to our boarders, laws & customs.
And our economic 'controls' would have been significantly improved had the Westminster political classes not tried to prevent, then obstruct & delay rather than impliment the clear democratic decision of the majority of thoses who were eligible to vote which was to leave..
Having said that despite the prediction of Remainers & the likes of the CBI our London Financial Markets which provide 30% of our GDP have held their own & done well in comparison to the Germans & French - sorry about that !
Socialists quoting The Economist? What a joke. What kind of socialist is a fan of the EU?
Tata Steel in the Netherlands is still doing well. Why would that be? Something about being in a certain club, maybe?
Of course.
That 'steel' in the NL version is Aluminium, not steel.
Not entirely true, 880 jobs, almost 10% are laid off this year to keep profits on €100 million a year and another 2 cokes factories have to close within a few years because of environmental reasons. But as said, it is still a profitable steel factory and furnace. They’re profitable because they diversified a very long time ago (about 40 years ago), from raw steel to stainless steel, metal cladding, band metal for the car industry. India can produce raw steel cheaper than European factories.
For how long though? Wilders?
Yes but it's EAF and DR, not blast furnaces. So far fewer workers per unit output. Port Talbot will have EAF, and EAF may well account for almost all steel in future. There will only be a small market for the very highest-quality steel, so the worldwide capacity for virgin steel will decrease.
The sad thing is, the people who really need to see this film - those who voted for Brexit - are too busy watching GB News and reading The Sun.
I think you might be over-doing it by saying they read....
@@matthewrice3432lmao trueeeee our Sun equivalent is the bild and we have a similiar joke phrase about readers of that supposed "newspaper"
@@PuddingXXL 👍👍....If i remember, ours goes something like; Question; "why do Sun readers have black willies?" Answer; "the print comes off on their hands"...😂
Can only assume both outlets just keep passing the blame on past figures for the present and doubling down on even more Xenophobia... AKA the hate classics
It's going to spread, but by then, it will be to late.
The biggest irony: they didn't want foreigners to take the jobs in steel industry and the vote to leave caused exactly that.
Mission accomplished. No more jobs for foreigners to take 😂
exactly
Completely wrong.
What is it about a democratic decision that spiteful, whining adult children won't accept? Is it the fact the "undereducated little nobody people" voted to leave a dictatorship?
@@thetruth9210 it didn't or more precisely: it couldn't save all jobs, because of mechanization, but it saved the industry. Without the EU it is worse, any industry that wasn't stable before is in a terrible situation.
@@thetruth9210EU subsidise unprofitable industries.
Most of us outside of the UK could see what was coming.
Plenty of us here could too. We were ignored.
@@TheWirewitch weren't ignored. Actively dismissed as project fear
A little under half of us in the UK could see it coming too.
@@Me0wish Worse still: mocked as "remoaners" and condescendingly told "you need to believe harder", as if personal conviction can overcome mathematics. Brexiteers neve understood this simple thing: that no matter how hard they believe in their Brexit, people like myself, part of the EU and those in the rest of the world, didn't. They could do quadruple flips, their enthusiasm would be met by a cold, indifferent world which wouldn't be impressed. I mean, ok, I'm European, but did they really expect to get some parade from countries like Brazil or Canada or India? That they'd immediately jump to sign some trade deal heavily favouring the UK? They already have arrangements on their side of the world... it's not like they were waiting for Brexit with baited breath. I think they were legitimately stunned to see the collective "meh" to their Brexit, the world being underwhelmed by the buccaneering UK... btw... did they ever consider that references to piracy and contraband as descriptors of trade policy would not really inspire trust in other people?
Indeed. Sadly, many in at least The Netherlands just voted for a party that wants a so called Nexit. This party became the biggest in most recent elections. Ignorance and thinking with fear and feelings sadly still is widespread and wins from thinking with knowledge, foresight and reality. Even as we see British decline, many Dutch feel it is a great idea to leave the eu
Can you smell the SOVEREIGNTY... now that the steelworks fumes have gone away ?
actually no. Can't smell any sovereignty because Brexit actually took that away also.
No but hoping my kids will.
Does that smell the same as happy british fish?
@@snorkypigny1if the country becomes poor 20 years from now they will be even more subservient to other countries that DO have money. That’s how power works, you aren’t automatically more powerful or more safe just due to getting a little bit more independence
@@snorkypigny1 apart from blind hope, what reason do you have to believe that will be the case?
Port Talbot overwhelming voted to leave the EU, this is what they voted for, even if they didn’t realise it at the time.
They didn’t vote for this though, they simply wanted to believe the lies. It was easier for the likes of us to see through it, because the internet is part of our day to day lives. We can research, look at both sides of every debate and make an informed decision. If the residents of Port Talbot and places like it, who are middle aged and older, not very well educated, and who get most of their information from the tabloids and don’t know any better, see Boris and Nigel driving round in a bus emblazoned with messages like “we give x amount of millions to the EU, let’s spend it on the NHS instead”, they are obviously going to buy into it.
We should blame the liars; blatant, criminal liars - not the victims of their lies.
They refused to realise it
Port Talbot didn't realize the WORLD HAS OWNERS. You can never vote to leave or remain. Your vote in the WORLD OF OWNERS is utterly meaningless.
This argument is nothing but a distraction.
They voted for this, start taking responsibility once in the life!
Quiet hyuxion .Every problem from post covid recovery to high costing energy, food, oil and basics has been an issue in EVERY EU COUNTRY. Quiet fool
The automotive industry will be next, steel production affects car production.
Yep if they need to chance the production line for a new model; they’re out! Not only because of the steel but also the parts !
The car industry is already suffering and it can only get worse. Brexit has torpedoed the JIT (Just In Time) strategy that is the lifeblood of car manufacturing. The UK was warned, but then again people were tired of experts…
@@eekamoose you're right! the Grenadier was supposed to be but in Wales; with a lot of German/Swiss parts.
expecting JLR to bugger off to Slovakia and India shortly
we havent got an auto industry it's all owned by overseas companies and it's only Government grants that keep them here....
Believe Farage, Boris, Gove and Rees Mogg, vote Leave and then whine, complain, whinge, whine, complain like a snowflake. You've taken back control, haven't you? What's the problem?
They wanted to believe the lies from brexiteers because it fitted their own xenophobic narrative. Stop whining, wrap a nice Union Jack around your shoulder and be happy that you have your sovereignty back. Instead of feeling sorry for yourselves, what about thinking about other businesses going bust because of your vote to leave.
@@pauli2169 That Union Flag will be the only warm clothes they can afford
@@AreJayCee But Grease sMogg said that our clothes and shoes etc would be cheaper after Brexit ??? He also said that bringing in all the brexit checks, border checks etc would be an act of national self-harm. But surely that is what taking back control of our borders would entail, checking everything going in and out of the country? If you don't do all the necessary checks then you aren't in control of your borders!
Another thing sMogg said was, it could take 50 yrs to recover from Brexit and get back to pre-brexit levels! Is that why the rich like sMogg moved their money and businesses out of the UK and into EU countries (and offshore tax havens, of course).
"Oh, what a tangled web they weave, when first they practice to deceive" and that is exactly what we got from Farage, BoJo, Gove & Grease Mogg etc.
Rees Mogg said that the British Fish is now happy . Mission accomplished. 👌👍
@@theworldaccordingto4555 Don't forget that Greasy Mogg secured his EU (Irish) passport after the referendum. So that's nice for him.
I have genuine sympathy for all affected by this, but I also can't help but feel extremely angry at them for doing this, for voting for this hell... as someone who was shouted down and branded a 'remoaner', this is all deeply, deeply depressing.
EXACTLY
What i found interesting was after the sheep farmers voted to leave they then turned round and still expected to be subsadised by the EU. It's like divorcing your partner but still expecting them to help pay your bills. Thats not how it works. I think because no one in government explained what would happen and all we heard from may was "Brexit means Brexit" wityhout actually explaing what it meant. Reason being they didn't know they just had buzz words and fear tactics. They used people's predejices against them. Fun fact alot of the laws that people moaned about were actually written by England and was adopted by the EU. As well as the fact a lot of the EU "laws" were not actually laws more of suggestions which the government put into law. So yet again blaming the EU for something our own government chose to do.
going green labour want it to
If it would make you feel any better, Port Talbot's steel closure has very little to do with the EU. If anything Being out of the EU, on a commercial point helped Port Talbot.
@@christinepayne5206 They're not labour anymore.
The turkeys voted for Christmas. And now they say they regret it.
The Tories sold off the silver in the 80s - now they are back to knock down the supporting walls.
Blair gave it a lick of paint and new double glazed windows.
Cameron ripped the copper out of the walls and sold the mantlepiece.
Yet it’s Labour that run wales can’t make it up
Don't pretend not to understand National vs Devolved government and the role of the DTI - it just make you look like a bigger fool @@terryj50
Who sold all the gold
@@terryj50says someone who apparently has no understanding of the limited powers that the Welsh government has, and the overarching power that Westminster has over all four countries of the uk. The only thing the Welsh executive could do was request a meeting with Sunak to discuss options for avoiding this catastrophe, and Sunak denied the request.
The blame for this lies squarely at the feet of the Conservatives and those who misled the UK population leading up to the 2016 referendum.
I wonder how many will continue to vote Tory?
In Wales?
Too many. Because feelings don’t care about facts.
All of them. "They like it up 'em Captain Mainwaring, they like it up 'em"
They might well turn to voting for the Reform Party, even more right wing and libertarian, even worse.
Port Talbot has always been a strong Labour seat, and even when its majority was dented in 2019, it was the Brexit Party, rather than the Tories, who benefited (Port Talbot having voted 60% Leave in 2016). Boris's "get Brexit done" Tories barely increased their share of the vote.
Vote tory, get shafted. You'd think folk would learn.
In Wales? Not many tories around here
And who did you vote for fool🤔
@@nelch there doesn't need to be, they are in Westminster holding the reins. Wales is not sovereign, or an independant country, you are ruled by foreigners.
They vote Labour in wales not Tory
Not the small minded gullible racists then,
Back in the day, the sun never set on the British Empire.
Now, the sun never shines on Britain.
@@thetruth9210 First of all, for the whole of 2023, the eurozone outperforms the UK, even though by a little. Second, in all matters that the UK wanted to succeed in via leaving the EU, it has failed miserably. The migrant crisis has worsened, its economy is underperforming and it has failed to form a USA-UK-Australia economic union. Lets not even talk about how there is an official economic border between the Great Britain and NI. Accept it, the UK is no longer a big player and soon you'll be a minority within your own country. Brits are already a minority in London after all.
Amazing how there were consequences to voting to impose trade sanctions on ourselves.
To be honest, people voted not to be an EU member, only... Brexit only related to EU membership. Nothing else. People even voted to ease being an EU member so that we could remain an EEA member - granting us access to the single market. Not everyone who voted leave wanted to impose trade sanctions on themselves. That was a Tory decision. People had various reasons for voting leave. The EEA option was even proposed to us during negotiations, but Theresa May rejected it... The tory government is the issue in this scenario. It was their interpretation and enactment of the vote that placed us in this predicament.
@@rayc9539 very true - like most problems in the UK, it's 100% the tories fault.
Dont profit om things you dont want to be a part of. If you don't want immigrants just fight för it in EU
Exactly!! Who'da thunk it, eh?
@@rayc9539Single market membership would mean continued freedom of movement and given that immigration was the single biggest issue why people voted brexit that was never gonna happen. The majority of brexit voters would’ve seen that as a massive betrayal so it was never gonna happen.
I'm a Port Talbot resident and I voted remain because I knew what we were being peddled was utter rubbish. As for the steelworks, however we got here we are now in a position where it's not a viable (profitable) business. Obviously nobody wants to see thousands lose jobs but the seeds were sown a long time ago IMO. British Gas isn't British, British Rail doesn't exist and nor does British Steel. Tories don't want to run business, they just want to profit from them. Once the profits dry up, they walk away.
That what you have just described is the behaviour of a parasite.
Well, y'all stole shit from India for 200 years so Tata owning all your steel production is fair enough.
We have Fossil Fuel Climate Change Green Party bloody targets to thank for the closure of the steelworks.
Port Talbot is dead, and they are REFUSING to allow us to turn Margam back into a massive marshalling rail yard and container shipping dock.
The powers that be, want this town to die. Those who voted to leave, never wanted to see this happen.
What annoys me the most is the argument "I didn't know," "We were promised this or that," "I wasn't aware of the consequences," "We were deceived!" Nonsense! We all had the same access to the same news, daily newspapers, interviews. 49% of people eligible to vote understood the consequences. We knew it was a disaster on approach. We knew these were lies and empty promises. You, leave voters consciously chose this path, for yourselves and for the entire country. I didn't have the right to vote in the referendum as an EU citizen, even though I lived in the UK for 12 years at the time of the referendum. I was angry for the first 2-3 years, now the emotions have subsided and somehow I enjoy the 'show'. I only really feel for those who voted to stay and and got screwed by by 'not so clever' leavers...
Amen!
Exactly! All you had to do was look at who was supporting brexit: Nigel Farage, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Digby Jones, David Davis, Daniel Hannan, Boris Johnson, the Tufton Street crowd, etc.
The reasons to stay in the EU were there for anyone who took the time to look.
I'm tired of Brexiteer voters never having to accept responsibility for their folly. Byline and other anti-Brexit outlets feel the need to provide those voters face saving excuses about having been conned. Those voters eagerly and militantly embraced easily demonstrable lies from known liars.
I hear you.
I worked in Wales only one year, well before the referendum. I remember that we, EU migrants, were not welcome by many because we took the jobs. Now the irony is that apparently the jobs finish themselves without any Eastern Europeans taking them away.
All in all, this is sad because Europe as a whole and NATO in particular would benefit from a strong UK economy.
It was them calling us traitors and I remember seeing their little leaflets about hanging us. They now want us to forgive them for ruining our lives. That's one thing I can't do!
They voted for it; those who voted against it knew this would happen. Zero sympathy as that area voted massively to leave the EU.
Have you any sympathy for the people on Teesside ? Of course, their Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was a member of the EU.
@@davidpryle3935All down to government policy.
The funniest group of "leave" voters in my opinion are the expats that malingered in Spain. They actually believed that their presence and their money was the economic basis legitimizing the region they were polluting. Their most popular complaint was that they felt that they weren't respected and not treated like royalty for propping up (in their minds) the spanish tourist-economy.
These people lost almost everything by being forced to sell assets in Spain just because of the restrictions resting on non-EU entities. They can't even stay indefinately anymore and because of Spanish immigration laws they can't even become Spanish citizens. (Free from the fact that becoming Spanish comes with its own set of problems making it improbable.)
The expats seriously cut their noses to spite their faces. Insane, really.
To be fair most voters are dumb and don’t know shit to include you. Has nothing to do with Brexit.
...arrogance, entitlement and exceptionalism...welcome to the brexit, Sir...
Very difficult to feel sorry for anyone who voted to leave and lost their job because of it.
I don't either, they was told what would happen but hey project fear...
I was just think8ng the same thing,I'm sorry but you reap what you sow
I agree, I don't like being an 'I Told You So' person but it is ultimately their own fault.
They have lost their jobs because the Tory government are not prepared to have a U.K. which makes its own steel. Sunak orders the RAF to fly from Cyprus to attack Yemen because shipping is being attacked….but the ships are owned by people who registered them in the Marshall Islands or Barbados to avoid paying U.K. tax !!! These ships weren’t even built in the U.K. and the steel for the Royal Navy will come 100% from overseas. People need to wake up and engage their brains.
Indeed. "It's fine but only when other people bear the consequences".
Very sad but at the end if you make bad decisions you get bad outcomes. Down here in Australia our biggest markets are China, Japan and South Korea all of which are thousands of kilometres away from us but which has to be the case because there are no countries any closer with the money to buy our stuff. If, like the UK, we were lucky enough to have a single sophisticated market of 450 million consumers right next door and of which we were an important and privileged member we'd be less needful of selling to places so far distant and I'd like to hope we wouldn't be so mad as to throw it away.
Excellent comment. That shows just how stupid the UK was to Leave the EU. The UK public are slowly wising up to that but it's much too late.
Well said
As someone who worked on EU projects carried out in the UK for nearly 20 years, every time I hear someone say they voted for brexit, based solely on what they were told by those promoting leave, without checking how truthful these statements were, make me want to scream. Now not only they, but those of us who didn’t vote for it, have to live with it the consequences of their action.
😔so true
But this has nothing to do with Brexit.
Learn to read, the comment is 100% about Brexit. What don't you understand? @@JupiterThunder
All those EU 'projects' were funded by UK money as we were a net contributor to the EU
Me too. Lazy voting. Should have been an IQ test before voting
YOU SAW WHAT TORIES DID UNDER THATCHER YET YOU STILL WENT AND TRUSTED THEM ON BREXIT, UNBELIEVABLE
Couldn't agree more.
@@scoates9910 And I bet most of them will vote for them again.
@@a.r.stellmacher8709 I think it might have dawned on them now,
Brexit's nothing to do with the Tories. It was a people's vote to decide whether we wanted our parliament to continue subordinated to an EU bureacracy accountable to no one.
And on whether we wished to take back sovereignty given away by our MPs to foreign powers treaty by treaty without our consent.
Sovereignty that they had no right to give away.
Because in a democracy sovereignty belongs to the people.
If our politicians give it away in treaties like Lisbon & laws are made & those laws can't be changed. Then this is a theft of public rights.
Genuine free trade deals don't expect this. Nor do they expect member country to fling its borders open to all & sundry resulting in massive over supply of unskilled workers, over burdenned housing, schools & wage compression.
Nor to give away 80% of fish that swam in its waters.
It was the worst deal on the planet because it wasn't a free trade deal, it was insidious political union by stealth. Something the British people never voted for.
So anyone with half a brain cell decided it was time to GTF out of it.
Remainers are too shallow & poorly informed to understand anything about Brexit.
I bet your anti vaccine as well.
a Dutchie here:ten years ago I was also anti-Europe, Trump, Brexit, and the sinister role of China have made me lose my blinders, Maybe as Europeans we are not always happy with each other, but ultimately we are like a dysfunctional family , we have to stand up for each other. We need Europe, there is strength in Numbers.
The EU is not very democratic, its a mess, but the years after Brexit have indeed shown why we should keep together, Countries like Ukraine see the EU as their only future for independence, soft power is about having a place at the table and the EU is just that. There is however some changes, the Farmers protests across Europe made a dent and shown the weakness of policy making in the EU, because the Comission is the only body capable of initiating legislation, the approved matters are way to far from reality sometimes, the Agricultural rules they were subjected too were ridiculous, and they backed off, this was not the case for most of EU history, but there needs to be some sort of initiative from the EU parliment, if you cant initiate a bill you cant have alternatives(the Comission can keep key powers).
@@pedrorequio5515 a few things, the eu is democratic, a new parliament is elected every four years (and fortunately we are not a democracy like America or GB) and as for the farmers: the rules that the farmers have to adhere to are just as ridiculous as the subsidies that farmers receive. By the way, I am not anti-farmer, and I believe that the European excess capacity that EU farmers produce and is sold on the world market can be used as a tool of power.
@@KaasSchaaf666 Already is a power tool.
Brexit, one of the biggest self-inflicted wounds in the history of the UK.
On par with the Mughal Uprising.
@@ThorstenKreutzenberger"Self-inflcted wounds" is a key part of the statement.
@@ThorstenKreutzenberger You didn't understand what was said... wihch is why your rsponse has zero context to the conversation.
They wanted to have a British first empire. MBGA . Me. Me. Me. No man is an island.
They took your job!
But, but, but... they knew what they were voting for. They won. We have to get over it.
😂😂😂😂😂👌
@@robinbreeds9217 trouble is, robin, Brexit sure as hell isn't going to change that, is it?
You really did need to get over it.
Worked around South Wales for over 3 years as a contractor for scientific Company, steel works of Port Talbot was one of my many customers, all I ever heard was Brexit, Brexit and Brexit, all there is now is Brexshit, Brexshit and Brexshit, have no sympathy for this at all..
I’m from South Wales and I have no sympathy whatsoever. The number of people I know who revealed themselves to be xenophobic was shocking. They deserve everything that’s coming and I’m leaving.
It's always the same. Nothing is ever their fault. First it was the fault of the EU, now it's the fault of politicians. But it's never the fault of xenophobes who vote against their own best interest.
The Redcar steelworks closed in 2015, when Britain was a member of the European Union 🤔
@@davidpryle3935 in vew of Brexshit talks gaining serious momentum, it's called; having a strategic foresight..
@@davidpryle3935 And your point is....?
The guy finding a way to blame THATCHER for the impacts of Brexit rather than his own decisions is insane
No its not insane, she set the ball rolling, that created a powder keg in working class communities, which exploded in 2016.
there were unforeseen consequences, what she did served the country well, for a short period of time but ultimately became self destuctive, because we didnt change course just carried on.
Like what was done after the war carried on for too long and became self destructive, Thatcherism has done the same.
we transformed our economy into a pyramid scheme. and it worked great, until we couldn't recruit new members so is now collapsing.
@@theant9821🫵🤡👍
It all started with her Free Market Trickle Down illusion and ended in this.
He meant that the policies that are currently taking place are a continuation of her policies, which is objectively true. Privatization of everything, selling out to foreign markets.
@@mihaicraciun8678 Yes…I agree with you on that. Many policies may take years to filter through ….etc.
Tories closed their mines and they still trusted them.
Tories blames it on the unions aka Labour...
You do realise they closed the mines because you had been using less and less coal?
@@GarroLegionofOnethey closed them to smash the unions.
Thank god, who would want future generations of their family having going down a mine shaft as their only option to earn money.
Tories have destroyed Britain. And Labour is a willing partner.
As a Canadian, I am still shocked who in their right mind would vote for Brexit!!!! I wish Canada was in the EU. You guys had gold, and gave it away!!!!
Like it there? Move.
@@Strykenine An open minded and productive person from Canadia is always welcome in Europe. However we don't appreciate gaslighting Brexiteers. They don't see the value in collaboration and defend their rhetoric as the truth instead of understanding the reality...
@@StrykenineOkay one subscriber 😂🤣
@@larstenfaelt1859 My comment was really reflexive, directed at people who want to 'Move to Europe' as a way to solve problems they perceive in North America but I will try to justify. Relocating won't solve problems. Part of Europe is at war with itself right now, and quite a few countries are hemorrhaging working-age folks to retirement. Also, European security has been backstopped by the United States for almost three generations which allowed nations on the continent to spend money on social issues and less on defense and industry. The US is too self-interested to be relied upon for something as serious as national security at the present time, and perhaps for many years to come.
Things are going to change so fast it will make your head spin. Cheers!
@@GManWritesTo be honest I'm surprised I have one, but not as shocked as I was when you replied to me.
as a spanish citizen,who just voted for EU parliment 20 days ago WTF does british people mean they didn't who was ther EU represntive ¿do you not google or smartphone?
A day of reckoning awaits politicians their parties for the Brexit disaster but everyone should also boycott the journalists & media corporations that helped sell Brexit, including the ones who just didn't do their job of investigating the claims.
The non dom tax avoiding owned media that wanted the tax havens to be a conduit for their mates and their own money where our government can't/ won't get their hands on it for our nhs and social services etc? That media?
Hear hear 👏
That's the BBC damned then
My dad told the BBC licencing authority two years ago that he would not be renewing his licence - because the BBC was a puppet of the Conservative party. Which is what they clearly are.
Nah nothing will happen to them. No matter what happens to the general public, the politicians will be okay. 🤷🤷🤷
Agree. In the past when you impoverished your own state to line your own pocket the charge would be Treason. We don't need a king for that.
I was remembering the lady who on the day of the referendum result said: "Now we will get our steel Mills back!" She was not alone in getting that wrong. That was the day that doomed them all.
In Switzerland, if politicians give false informations on a voting theme. Meaning, if voted, you have not the intended result (often the warning given by the opponent will materialize), then, the vote is canceled. Because peoples can't vote on false promises.
This rule should be implemented in England. Probably too late for Brexit. Probably early enough for a next crucial vote on something we don't know yet.
Should be implemented globally
Yes. That's the way to go. Of course for every public vote in Switzerland on a topic they have the "Vernehmlassung" beforehand, where an expert commission independent from the government creates a comprehensive document about the consequences of the vote.
And one of the indicators I have that make me think that the political system in Switzerland is working, is that I have no clue who is the head of State of Government of Switzerland without looking it up, because they hit the news so few times...
Wow, going to look into moving after I get my degree.
It's basically the same as false advertising, should be given the same reprimands! I wish we could hold them accountable
its not up to us to cancel it because Europe would have to agree and they've had enough of us. the whole thing, every aspect was a fraud but now there is plenty evidence the politicians still won't admit it
The first guy thought the money 'pumped into the EU' went into a black hole. He didn't understand the trade and economic benefits of EU membership or the value of those, or how the EU spends its money. In fact a lot was spent on projects in Wales. The PM who called the referendum was for Remain and should have explained this but the Tories are lazy and complacent and he didn't do that or not effectively. He prioritised not worsening the splits in the Tory party.
You can't really blame him though! When did our media over the last 40 years, praise any of the huge investments made by the EU into Wales, West country, the Midlands! The signs were all there to see! Funded by the EU... But nobody noticed.... Until now!
Cameron was scared of chief grifter Farage and didn’t think a slight majority would vote for leave.
I believe it was partly an anti Cameron/austerity vote!
another of them said he didn't know the name of his local MEP and mumbled something about the lack of democracy in the EU.
Yes, because the media pumped his brain with "X costs this, Y costs that", but they never talk about the profits, that the cost is an investment with a return, not throwing money out the window. You see this same rhetoric with welfare, they talk how much it costs, but they never mention the benefit things like universal healthcare bring. A healthy population is a productive population. Unemployment benefits are an investment in people who eventually find jobs and pay taxes, thus bringing in profit for the public purse. But no, all they talk about is costs, never income.
He was always too busy going on and on about people on benefits.
People who voted Brexit should have voted for independence instead, Westminster is the problem not the EU. The heads of the valleys was paid for by the EU not Westminster, the EU didn’t stop investing in Wales, Westminster did. Wales is the second poorest region of the UK and that is thanks to Westminster. Thanks to Westminster Wales qualified for objective one funding from the EU, objective one funding is for economic development in the poorest areas of the EU, thank you WESTMINSTER! Thank you for nothing.
BREXIT… you voted for it, now you’re reaping the rewards.
For all those that say we’re taking back our sovereignty, read about the democratic deficit that exists in the UK and ask yourself are you really living in a democracy.
If wales became an independent it would immediately lose out on 13 billion pounds overnight; This would be catastrophic. To suggest that Westminster is not funding Wales is flat out wrong. Not to say that the Central gov could do considerably better in investment in the provinces, because it does need to do so.
@tisFrancesfault The pittance Wales gets from Westminster is an insult. Welsh independence should be the choice of Welsh people. The current occupation of Wales by the English Government is utterly abhorrent. I grew up in South Wales under Thatcher, left school to a Tory recession, and now they've shut our last big industry, continuing the asset stripping of my Wales that Thatcher started.
@@b62boom1 Wales, per person is the 3rd most funded area of England and Wales, Following London and the North West (the latter being somewhat, if initially surprising).
25% of its budget is supplied by Westminster (13 Billion)...
Agree with you 100%.
@@tisFrancesfault got a link?
They should put billboards up all around Wales with the Brexiteers lies on.
Just Wales ?
They could also point out all the businesses/buildings/educational interventions etc. that would not have existed without EU funding. There are plaques all over Wales (and the rest of the UK) showing how this funding was put to use.
@@Angela-en6ohnot eu funding it was uk money given back to the uk.
@@terryj50 good luck finding that "UK money" now that Westminster took back control over it
@@Ooze-cl5tx uk money been great I was in Japan in the summer the pound has not been this high since 2015 last time I looked the uk was in the eu then lol
You made your bed in 2016 and fluffed the sheets in 2019. You get what you vote for.
We all get what they voted for.
@@barking_mad6649 And now they're about to turn to Nigel fucking Farage to finish the job.
@@ForelliBoyI thought he effed off with his cushy EU pension
The Brexit liars still have a job. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
It’s usually better to be part of a big economy than a small economy. A small economy is a village. A large economy is Europe.
@@robinbreeds9217 That’s got nothing to do with Europe. Factory jobs go to cheaper manufacturing countries. It happens all over the world.
They bought it on themselves. Wales was a beneficiary of EU grants and told it where to go. Well its gone now and they’re whining about it. Shame on them
What about levelling up😮😮
Putin has just laughed watching this small docu😂
Why? Russia's deindustrialization makes what anyone else is going through (or has gone through) look like nothing.
No schadenfreude intended, I am working class too, but just to clarify one thing, I have always been able to vote in every election for the EU and its Parliament, if I voted in party "A" or "B", I know who "my" elected Deputy is, there are no unelected bureaucrats and there never were. All EU institutions and its "workers" and or "representatives" are decided either by vote or by agreement amongst OUR elected representatives. This entire drama of brexit only came about when the EU decided, as a collective, UK included, to tighten the rules on banking, taxing and general economic policies, to allow more control of the States, again, UK included, on their economies. Why? Remember the austerity of the early years? I remember, and here in Portugal it hit us 10 times worse than the UK, we all remember it, we are still dealing with the consequences of IMF intervention and the blind austerity. But then, some very rich and very , allegedly, shady people in the UK decided they would have none of this, so, controlling the media, the parties, and you, British citizen, came up with brexit as an attempt of blackmailing, allegedly, the rest of the other EU countries. But the EU is not a Club or a Dictatorial regime, so the answer was, if the UK wants to leave, its their right to do so. And now, they got caught in their lies, allegedly, and haven't a clue on what are they going to do. A simple answer, its was all greed Britons, nothing more, avarous people that want to keep getting their money and not justify where it comes from or pay taxes on it, allegedly.
Get rid of them, demand proportional representation as a nation, a collective.
And a sincere handshake and good luck to all those hardworking folks in Port Talbot.
Well explained 👏
Well said 👏👏
Nice conspiracy theory. But the truth is, the big banks, the big corporations, the big employers, the CBI, all campaigned strongly to remain in the EU. No point trying to rewrite history.
Quite right! 👍🏼👏🏽
But bureaucrats are never elected, only appointed. Deputies in the parliaments are elected.
@@alienationism They are appointed, correct, but its decided at a ministerial or functional level under the responsability of the elected representatives of the State Members, meaning, the ones we elect assume the responsability of the ones appointed. In Portugal that happened recently, the PM ask for the resignation and triggered elections this March because people in his Cabinet were caught in a alleged corruption scheme.
Past caring for these people. They were warned but chose to believe "project fear" .
Voting to leave the European Union and then losing your job at the Port Talbot steelworks is unbelievably sad. Seeing yourself and the community around you thrown from thriving activity into poverty and despair is simply devastating. And the fact that these people are in many ways responsible for their own misery is even sadder.
Sympathy for the conned, and anger at those who conned them is not enough. We need to look at our country as it really is, and work with that first. Thatcherism was a social experiment as well as an economical one, abd the indictrination has ill-served Wales. They might say it was false hope, but I think they wanted to believe what they were told. They wanted to believe that after their pain under Thatcher that those with power cared. Well, that was naive, and ahistorical. But, we are where we are.
Ignorance in the first-world is always wilful
Feel sorry for people who deserve it
@@BigHenFor It only took a little bit of research and objective thinking to see through the con. I have no sympathy for anyone who voted for it. People need to take responsibility for their actions and stop blaming someone else.
They made their bed and now they have to lay in it.
no it is not sad it is satisfying😂😂😂...you pay for your mistakes...
No it’s actually funny
I have no sympathy for the people of Wales who voted to leave. Wales benefited the most from being part of the EU. The Labour Party should be ashamed of their roll in Brexit.
Nothing to do with Brexit. That steel works is obsolete.
I do .. Marco economics is DIFFICULT and they were lied to ..
The important thing is to FIX it back up
I hope you do realize it was David Cameron, a Conservative Prime Minister, not a Labour one, who called for the Brexit referendum
@@marceloaramayo3195 Of course I do! However the Labour Party didn't actively support the Remain Campaign, so they are just as culpable as the Tories for Brexit. Even now Labour won't admit that Brexit was a mistake!
@@Objectiveansthensome the Scottish people were lied to as well, but they voted to Remain part of the EU (64% to stay). The moral being not to trust everything you read or hear from politicians but to critically think for yourself.
We remainers tried to warn you. James O’Brien was ridiculed by callers on LBC when he tried to educate the public and I think there’s more to come. Project Fear was the rebuttal and now the reality is here. The will of the people?? “Remoaners lost get over it” No everybody lost apart from the rich but these Brexiteers were not able to understand that until now.
James O'Brien is a sanctimonious clown.
@@markperrin8098 I take it you voted leave then 🤦♂️
@@Calvin2317.4 million people cant be wrong 😉
@@markperrin8098 No you’re right the Brexit benefits will arrive any moment now.
@@Calvin23
I think it’s worth first reflecting on Reuters’ words from last week on the subject:
The euro zone's economy stagnated last year, underperforming the rest of the world as former powerhouse Germany struggled with an industrial malaise that has no end in sight
Ouch! It is also worth noting that Eurostat could not even provide an annual 2023 GDP figure for the euro zone overall (because Ireland’s data is a joke).
The IMF put the Eurozone GDP growth at 0.5%. Whereas latest estimates for the UK from the OBR see UK GDP growth at 0.6% in 2023.
The respective composite PMI reading are as follows:
Euro Area: 47.90 (negative), UK: 52.90 (positive)
What words would I use to describe Britain’s economic performance?
"It could be worse, we could be in Eurozone"
Wales voted for Brexit. What did they expect? It's true they were lied to, but just a little bit of research would have told them it was a lie.
Or just an ounce of that famed "common sense"......
Did they? Didn’t know that. I suppose I’ve assumed that they voted „remain“, as Scotland did. How very sad.
I honestly can’t believe why the people believed these right wing grifters!
No one else was providing any hope, even though it was lies.
Yeah, the options were more of the same managed decline or chaos.
You can potentially do something under chaos.
@@Oldmanpeace Did Farage provide hope,he made plenty out of the EU!
Rees-Mogg doesn’t like the EU but has an office in Dublin and no doubt an EU passport, we know it was the EU law coming in about off-shoring money. These people don’t want to pay tax they only want the PAYE workers to pay.
@@nelch nope, we had the choice for sensible govenment with labour with corbyn.
they chose boris lies, with brexit they chose racism, fuck em
I can. It's cos they're friggin stoopid
Well, I am sorry to say that the EU invested almost 1 Bn UKP in the Ebbw Vale alone to make the town desirable to young families and new businesses. They built roads, schools and upgraded the city center, cleaned up the industrial wastelands of the former steelworks. But the locals trusted the lies of the Fartage, Bozo Johnson and their Russian handlers.
But maybe sometime in the future Britain will become staunch EU proponents, once the Brexit disaster has bitten deep enough. Both there is always the threat of an ultra right Tory party and the foreign interests that own the British media landscape. So, who knows what will happen. It is just a shame of the lost chances Britain has so carelessly thrown away. And bit looks like the bunch of traitors who are responsible for steering Britain down this treacherous path will go unpunished, despite the massive damage they have caused their nation. In most countries such callous profiteering would be considered treasonous with the associated terminal penalty.
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The EU didn't invest any money, it was the UK's own money. And for every pound we got from the EU, we gave them £2.
@@JupiterThunder Oh really?
Why didn't the UK continue paying the equivalent funds to the regions?
Instead, they wasted multi billions on not delivered goods and services to their mates!
UK governments have a proud history of underfunding the regions!
Now they even use northern infrastructure funds money to fix potholes in LONDON!
SO I PREFER UK MONEY PAID OUT TO THE REGIONS ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!
But hold on to your little Englander exceptionalism and wallow in your poverty! That is the very reason why it will be a long time before the plague island in the North Atlantic can re-join the EU.
And frankly good riddance. Enjoy your turnips!!
@@JupiterThunder See, that’s exactly why you suffer now ‘cause you just don’t understand.
@@JupiterThunder So where's that second pound gone? You don't seem to have it? You rather look like you're missing both of these pounds now....
NEVER trust a Tory and that can go for Tice’s clown show as well, it’s just a more extreme version of what got us in this mess in the first place.
Brexit is the best example of “actions have consequences”
Even inaction could have consequences. Complex world and change is difficult. ✌️🫶
@@rayRay-pw6gz well everything about Brexit was going to be a disaster, there was no preparation, they wanted the UK to be self sustaining agin but they didn’t do anything to do that, so they severed all support lines and THEN tried to get their legs under themselves, while still trying to avoid actually doing anything to provide the support they would need.
No one was prepared to actually do the work that Brexit needed so when it came to the finish no one was ready.
@@samuelfawell9159 not true ! Once Britain decided to go it alone. They lost all the benefits of being in the European Union. You can’t refuse to be in the union and then demand all the benefits. The voters were played by using their feelings of entitlement and negative feelings towards others. This same action is being used in the USA by republicans. Fear and hate are powerful allies. The lack of knowledge and the disinformation system work well together. Also humans tend to blame others for their mistakes. Just read all the comments, very rarely do they blame themselves for the state of affairs they voted for.
Enough virtue signalling and ship YOUR industry to CHINA NOW.
@@thetruth9210 what world are you living in?
😂😂😂 Its not a coincidence that now Farage and Co all bang on about how hard that working Brits have it bcos Brexit hasn't been done properly.. You bought his first round of Snake Oil.. Surely you're nit gonna buy it again?
Some of them will. Like the battered wife, with loose teeth, cracked ribs and black eyes, still making excuses for him.
Wonderful reporting once again!!
Well done Britain 😂 you voted yourselves out of the largest free trade market in the world !! How is that going for you now ? 😂
@@robinbreeds9217 and brexit was the final nail in the coffin 🤣
Blaming labour or Blair is crazy, regardless of who was on the seats companies left and set up shop where it was cheaper for them to produce what they were doing or they were getting undercut by others in other countries.
Haven't you see, how happy British fish are now??
Now that the Brits are alone, they cannot blame anyone else anymore.
Yes they can. They blame it all on politicians now even though they themselves were the ones who voted for it.
Ach, I hear you do not know these people. It’s a very sad state but some britishers will blame the moon and the stars before they question their own exceptionalism.
The British voters that voted to exit the EU seemed to have thought that they would form valuable trade deals with the USA, Australia and New Zealand. The issue is those countries typically are more engrained in their region than they are likely to lean toward Great Britain. As a USA citizen, I think more about my shared economic ties with Canada and Mexico and more extensively, with Central and South American countries. I consider the UK as part of Europe and don't have any particular fascination toward British people.
@@903lew We say in Ireland the that of decision of hitching your wagon to that Brexit Star, would be akin to ," Playing a Card against yourself." or regarding the E.U. in The Life of Brian, "What did the Romans ever do for us."
The woman talking about not voting because the Tories disappointed her. Nothing will come of nothing. Not voting achieves nothing.
They are in wales it’s run by Labour not the tories
@@terryj50the UK as a whole is run by the Tories. The powers of the Welsh government are rather limited.
@@neodym5809 it’s the Welsh government that decided on the green policy not the tories
Not learnt a thing
The closing of the steel mill has nothing to do with green policies.@@terryj50
The Tories are concerned about businesses 😂😂😂
Their own businesses.
And nothing else
In the mean time Poland has build the best economy on the unified EU market since 2003 . The cleptocracy of the higher casts in Britain have scored greatly.
I am very happy for them , especially at their last election keeping the church out of politique , church and politique should not mix , watch the US big shit could happen
Wales was one of the biggest recipients of EU grants in the UK but voters there were too focused on getting rid of the foreigners. Its like watching the UK and the USA playing a game of "whatever you can do i can do better", or a game of "here, hold my beer".
"hold my beer" made me giggle. Thank you sir.
And what have those grants done for the poor child of the UK?
Absolutely.
NOTHING!
@paulevans7742 "Wales was one of the biggest recipients of EU grants in the UK ." Yes, EU grants funded by English taxpayers. The EU was redistributing wealth from England to Wales (as well as umpteen other countries). That was reason enough to leave.
to everyone in Wales take heart.TOUGH TIMES DONT LAST BUT TOUGH PEOPLE DO. blessing form Australia in 2024
@@Blog4Justice So Britain must be absolutely thriving, now that the nasty EU isn't redistributing your money, right? The steel plants are booming, wages and jobs are great and everything's on the up and up.
Who even cares about reality, am I right? Propaganda is more comforting.
We said “Don’t do it” and were told it was fear mongering !
I live in Canada...we have our own problems. Both my parents were brits. My wife is British. We followed this whole brexit thing closely and watched Britian descend into idiocy.
LOL oh really. How's unemployment mate @@brokendrummachine2539
You don’t know what you are talking about. Since the referendum on the EU, Britain has had higher GDP growth than Germany, Italy or France.
Some of us had to live through it. The detachment from reality has done so much damage, not just economically but in lots of vital areas. Anti-Vaxers, global warming deniers and all sorts of conspiracy belief are on the rise too. 😢
GDP means nothing. If you pay a man to dig a hole and then pay another man to fill it in. That's GDP. If you put something useful in that hole before you fill it in, that's productivity
Why doesn't Canada join the USA? Surely its economy is too weak and puny, and its people too stupid and racist, to be allowed their own country. Or it could join the EU.
We were all warned about job losses, rising bills, food prices, cost of living and high interest rates. Yet people voted against their own interests. Shocking.
But it wasn't like it was unanimous, think about how overwhelming the circus around leave was. The propaganda, it was deadening.
The stay campaign was all logical, the leave was emotional. Emotions won, they also had the backing of the largest media empire in the world but that's an ongoing issue.
All of the reasoned arguments were quickly dismissed as “Project Fear” by the Leave campaign. Right wing politics has spent decades conditioning people to distrust experts.
All those things happened while we were in the EU or do you suffer from amnesia?
@@brokendrummachine2539 Don't bring reason into the debate, the EU fan boys don't think that way. They can't even admit that a global lockdown help fast-track those job losses, rising bills, food prices, cost of living and high interest rates and add to that the Ukraine side show too.
But Muh Brexit!
Leave or Remain. Your vote never mattered in the end.
This is great news for the survival of the Spanish steel industry - thanks to Brexit.
It sadly is. We would love to survive out of healthy competition, not selfinflicted punishment... but, well...
A Brexit Benefit. Finally.
1) Modern arc furnaces can produce high quality steel from scrap.
2) Port Talbot will produce approximately the same amount of steel as with its existing furnaces, with 2,800 less workers.
3) Scrap is plentiful, other than America the UK exports more scrap metal than any other country in the world, some 8 million tons, often to those cheap foreign steelworks the EU is so terrified of.
4) Investing in new arc furnaces is a significant commitment to UK steel for at least 20-30 years.
5) The new furnaces will cut carbon emissions by 50 million tons over a decade, or the equivalent of 2 million homes.
If this is because of Brexit, then hallelujah for Brexit.
@@markperrin8098did you ever step in an steel factory or are you talking through your as. s?
@@EDD-xr4ub They are all facts from Tata steels website, are you suggesting Tata are lying?, or are you suggesting that Tata hasnt set foot in a steel plant?
What specifically is a lie?
Why would anyone believe a public school educated ex-City banker had their best interests at heart, unless they were of the same stripe? The Tories have been selling the family silver, electricity, water, steel, you name it for the last five decades. And when they get caught with their trousers down and their fingers in the till, oh, there’s always those pesky foreigners and scroungers to blame. And they’re all the same, aren’t they? NO!
gullibles, spivs and racists or wannabees are the culprits
It’s impossible to feel sorry for these people.. they were warned, advised and educated but the choose to believe the lies, deceptions and misinformation. They got what they wanted now let them stew in it…
Do you feel sorry for the former workers of the Redcar steelworks ? Their plant closed in 2015, when Britain was in the EU.
@@davidpryle3935that's a completely different issue. A private company could make an optimal profit, so they shut it down.
So the Brexit “TERK ER JERBS!” (Took our jobs, ‘South Park’ reference.)
Its not a problem that one company like Tata Steel is closing shop, the problem is that this is happening all across Britain for all kinds of businesses and industries.
That said if we look at the Netherlands Tata Steel is still going strong even though they have some challenges to overcome.
Now one of these so called challenges is the NetZero or climate issues that the conservatives now say that is the reason why Tata Steel should close.
If we look at the in the Netherlands again Tata Steel is putting big filters and stuff in their exhaust pipes and is working on different plans to reduce the carbon footprint overal this is a mega project that will look at each building and reduce its pollution footprint even for future use and upgrades.
So if the Dutch can do it so could Tata Steel UK, if only they have the investment a government who is willing and a big trade block like the EU for regulations and support.
But Tata Steel at IJmuiden isn’t producing much raw steel, they diversified decades ago to stainless steel, metal cladding and band steel for the car industry. They have a yearly profit of €100 million, but still 10% of the workforce was laid off to keep profits up. India can produce raw steel cheaper and in about 10-20 years they can produce the steel materials that Tata Steel IJmuiden is producing now. So fingers crossed.
First you enter the EU, then you cleaned up your beaches, helped you to reorganise the viable industries. Then you voted to leave. Now those businesses are left by the wayside because you can't compete on the world market. So, basically you are effed. You were warned time and again.
What actually is sovereignty I'm dying to find out what it means to d common person on d streets