Lotta fun. Grumman made several sail kits for their canoes. I used to use grumman canoes as platforms for my trimarans. Great camping rigs. Had a couple of those gunter sails - one older like yousr, the other one of the later all white ones made of dacron. The latter I modified for better performance by adding reefing points and a reefing halyard. Doing that makes it a true sliding gunter. Adding lazy jacks also helped manipulate the sail when droping or raising it. Good that you sail it loose footed. The long foot of the gunter really benefits from not being a sock type. Mine was, but i folded it closed and sewed it to get a better edge performance when loose footed. Made a big difference. I added a 20sq ft jib to get way better upwind speed, as well. Later I switched to a balanced lug sail l. I've since sold all my canoes and outrigger kits, but i still have the lugger. I might just try to kit out my 14' aluminum skiff.....
@@travelbywater9378 It was comfortable to be able to sit facing forward, not having to hike all the time. like driving a car. i rigged up a norwegian tiller by fastening a telescoping painters pole to the starb'd tiller ear. Push /Pull works well in narrow boat. The pole extended 13 ft so I could keep hold of the tiller if I needed to get to the mast - which happened a lot. Walking around while under way is a great luxury because there was no chance of a capsize. One downside: when a sailboat does not heel, the mast takes more load. At most, it heeled 3% and never ever got close to submerging the leeward ama. So, I installed lookouts on each side of the mast partner for shrouds to reinforce the mast- which I never added as I sold the whole rig before getting to it. Back back, shoulders, etc. I really miss doing all that. It was a great way to get into shore side camp spots with a lot of gear for a lux camp. I took it out tothe San Juans a few times and beach hopped the Cascadia Water Trail. Left many a sea kayaker in my wake. cheers
@@travelbywater9378 Technically, no, not out in the Pacific. The San Juans are located inside an inlet of the Pacific that also encompasses Puget Sound, ther Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Canadian San Juans, the American San Juans, with the north shjore being Vancouver Island, B.C. and the south shore being Washington State. So, it's open sea water, but the Pacific is about 100 miles west, out the Straights. The area is interesting boating because of all the small islets and currents. Lots of orca can be seen, as well as dolphins. gray whales also. So I guess most people would consider it the Pacific, but without the big swells.
I sailed these a couple years at camp in the 70's, they had 8-9 grumman and added sail rigs to 4-5 of them. Total blast! I'm looking at another grumman for fun/touring and have been thinking about the old sail setups. Wouldn't be hard to rig one up, but I might keep my eyes open for one. You definately lucked out as they can be hard to find...right place , right time and know what your looking for!
@@travelbywater9378 that is so cheap. I'm in Canada and people seem to want 500-1000 even for worn out and damaged hulls, not adapted for sailing... I'm converting an old fiberglass canoe for sailing right now! luckily got it cheap from my neighbor.
Awesome! I love it! I have a folbot with a sail rig, but have been playing with adding a similar rig to a regular canoe (old town or mad river, probably old town, as the mad river is kinda nice for screwing things into). The folbot has amanas? or outriggers. It is super nice, kicking back, and you use your feet for the rudder control, with paracord. It is pretty slick really. A few minor bugs.
Good luck! One good thing about the kayaks, especially skin on frame, is they paddle pretty easy and fast if the wind dies down. A decent canoe paddle fits nice in the space by the outriggers, and doesn't get bugged by having the sail up over your head, and feels real comfortable to paddle. My sail rig goes around the mast, and over the top in a sleeve, so I can't stand up and drop the sail. I can spin the mast, and reef it in, but no halyard for dropping sail.@@travelbywater9378
The Grumman rig is faster in light wind. The Batwing is better in heavy wind or mixed conditions. I still have the Batwing, it's still my main canoe rig, I got the Grumman rig cheap, $150 so figured I would have some fun with it.
Such great times can be had sailing a small boat!! I haven't put my sail kits on canoes yet!! But it will be one of my next adventures!!
I have a 21 ft sailboat too, but I find I enjoy sailing the canoe more. For one, there is no outboard needed.
@@travelbywater9378 it is a much more pleasant way through the water!!
Lotta fun. Grumman made several sail kits for their canoes. I used to use grumman canoes as platforms for my trimarans. Great camping rigs. Had a couple of those gunter sails - one older like yousr, the other one of the later all white ones made of dacron. The latter I modified for better performance by adding reefing points and a reefing halyard. Doing that makes it a true sliding gunter. Adding lazy jacks also helped manipulate the sail when droping or raising it.
Good that you sail it loose footed. The long foot of the gunter really benefits from not being a sock type. Mine was, but i folded it closed and sewed it to get a better edge performance when loose footed. Made a big difference. I added a 20sq ft jib to get way better upwind speed, as well.
Later I switched to a balanced lug sail l.
I've since sold all my canoes and outrigger kits, but i still have the lugger. I might just try to kit out my 14' aluminum skiff.....
Canoe trimaran sounds fun!
@@travelbywater9378 It was comfortable to be able to sit facing forward, not having to hike all the time. like driving a car. i rigged up a norwegian tiller by fastening a telescoping painters pole to the starb'd tiller ear. Push /Pull works well in narrow boat. The pole extended 13 ft so I could keep hold of the tiller if I needed to get to the mast - which happened a lot. Walking around while under way is a great luxury because there was no chance of a capsize.
One downside: when a sailboat does not heel, the mast takes more load. At most, it heeled 3% and never ever got close to submerging the leeward ama. So, I installed lookouts on each side of the mast partner for shrouds to reinforce the mast- which I never added as I sold the whole rig before getting to it. Back back, shoulders, etc.
I really miss doing all that. It was a great way to get into shore side camp spots with a lot of gear for a lux camp. I took it out tothe San Juans a few times and beach hopped the Cascadia Water Trail. Left many a sea kayaker in my wake.
cheers
San Juans as in Pacific Ocean? Very cool.
@@travelbywater9378 Technically, no, not out in the Pacific. The San Juans are located inside an inlet of the Pacific that also encompasses Puget Sound, ther Straights of Juan de Fuca, the Canadian San Juans, the American San Juans, with the north shjore being Vancouver Island, B.C. and the south shore being Washington State.
So, it's open sea water, but the Pacific is about 100 miles west, out the Straights. The area is interesting boating because of all the small islets and currents. Lots of orca can be seen, as well as dolphins. gray whales also. So I guess most people would consider it the Pacific, but without the big swells.
I sailed these a couple years at camp in the 70's, they had 8-9 grumman and added sail rigs to 4-5 of them.
Total blast! I'm looking at another grumman for fun/touring and have been thinking about the old sail setups. Wouldn't be hard to rig one up, but I might keep my eyes open for one. You definately lucked out as they can be hard to find...right place , right time and know what your looking for!
I got super lucky on the sail rig. Complete for $150.
@@travelbywater9378 that is so cheap. I'm in Canada and people seem to want 500-1000 even for worn out and damaged hulls, not adapted for sailing... I'm converting an old fiberglass canoe for sailing right now! luckily got it cheap from my neighbor.
@@westonwilcox4907 yes, this was in Canada. I bought the rig in Wakefeild Quebec. Thevideo is shot on Lake St Lawrence, Ontario.
Yes! I recently got very similar looking Grumman canoe and planning to add sailin gear. I like Your minimalistic design!
This is the Grumman factory design. Everything is original.
I like hunter rigs. she moves along nicely! BestRoy
gunter rig
@@shoalsailing Just one key to the left and I would have "h"ailed it Phil!!! Lol! All the bestRoy
Awesome! I love it! I have a folbot with a sail rig, but have been playing with adding a similar rig to a regular canoe (old town or mad river, probably old town, as the mad river is kinda nice for screwing things into). The folbot has amanas? or outriggers. It is super nice, kicking back, and you use your feet for the rudder control, with paracord. It is pretty slick really. A few minor bugs.
Cool, I am in the process of building a Skin on Frame sailing kayak. Old PBK 15 design
Good luck! One good thing about the kayaks, especially skin on frame, is they paddle pretty easy and fast if the wind dies down. A decent canoe paddle fits nice in the space by the outriggers, and doesn't get bugged by having the sail up over your head, and feels real comfortable to paddle. My sail rig goes around the mast, and over the top in a sleeve, so I can't stand up and drop the sail. I can spin the mast, and reef it in, but no halyard for dropping sail.@@travelbywater9378
Just bought mine from the original owner who purchased it it 1975....same looking sail and boards and everything
You will love it! Start off in light winds, it's a powerful sail.
Those things are so cool! I almost bought one that was for sale on Keuka lake about 25 years ago. How do they not tip over?
I don't know, but they don't. Just balance your body weight against the sail and they seem to stay upright.
Can you do a video of the set up and how it's operated please.
I could probably do that might be in several weeks.
@@travelbywater9378 thanks
I managed to put together a 95% all Grumman rig based on a 17’ canoe. But I’d really like to see your rigging .
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Looks easy to drop the sail in a hurry, if you need to.
Great design. Where did you buy the sail?
Its an old Grumman sail. But the whole rig off marketplace for $150.
I grew up with this kit.
Nice. I canoes as a kid but my first sailboat was a Fireball. Still have the rig in my garage.
How fast?
Typically maxes out between 5 and 6 miles per hour.
Do you how fast is it ?
Usually about 5 knots or 8 kmh. It's very quick in light wind, but can't sail in too much wind.
Tacking beats the hell out of paddling... She fast.
She is quick. Great boat.
How does this rig compare to the batwing sail? Why did you change?
The Grumman rig is faster in light wind. The Batwing is better in heavy wind or mixed conditions. I still have the Batwing, it's still my main canoe rig, I got the Grumman rig cheap, $150 so figured I would have some fun with it.
шверц с наветра подними, быстрее пойдёт.
loose the rudder. get a bigger sail. . . .
No thanks. That is the factory rig for that boat. The bigger of two. There is a 44 and this is the 65.