Balance can be the most powerful card in magic by itself, it should never be unbanned. Stax shells would absolutely love the card at minimum, but if you unban balance the legacy players are going to have a field day concocting the best balance deck. Amusingly storm decks with burning wish would run the card in the sideboard and it would be very powerful there at answering hatebears, destroying their lands, and making them discard.
it is. it's also a very hard format to play, there's a lot of decisions to make every turn. there's a reason why people who learn the format swear by it
@@mb778_ the format is doomed in paper so long as the reserved list exists. playing it irl is kinda dumb anyway since you won't find many players to play it with unless you allow proxies. your best bet is to just play it on modo
So, legacy is the second most powerful 60 card format if people didn't know this. Library of Alexandria is actually abusable because of the stack. Activate Library while you have 2 or 3 in play. Hold priority, activate the other Library, and then again if you have another. This will net you not just 1. But 2 or 3 or 4 cards. Based on your copies and board state.
@@petrie911 Yeah like the setup required to get 3 libraries on the field just so you can draw a couple extra cards instead of just winning the game is far too much. If you do this you also took up 3 land drops so you probably have zero mana lands and like, wow you drew those cards, very cool. Can you actually play them though?
@@corey397 Alexandria can't really be a fall back plan. Generally you don't want to have 7 cards in your hand, you'd rather just use them. You'd have to be preventing your opponent from playing the game with at minimum 2 cards then also library AND 7 in hand. This includes zero searchers too. it's simply not worth it when you could just be doing something far more consistent that doesn't require you to build around it. It's always better to have winning cards in your deck than cards that plan for failure.
>Activate Library while you have 2 or 3 in play. Hold priority, activate the other Library, and then again if you have another. This will net you not just 1. But 2 or 3 or 4 cards. Based on your copies and board state. Library doesn't work that way because you need to have seven cards in your hand to activate the card drawing ability in the first place. The card text with added emphasis: >Library of Alexandria >Land >{T}: Add {C}. >{T}: Draw a card. ACTIVATE ONLY IF YOU HAVE EXACTLY SEVEN CARDS IN HAND.
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That's not even the issue. The biggest problem with balance is mox opal and chrome mox. It's best case is that it can straight up just rip 2-3 cards from your opponents hand
I don't think balance could be unbanned, there's a pretty busted interaction if you make instant speed and play it in response to cracking your own fetches. There's an easy way to do this as well with 3 mana teferi. He's a premium way of getting flash on sorceries and is already a 4 of in uwx decks.
I was gonna say- balance would be NUTS in legacy. Imagine it with the two pitch moxen - take the initiative t1, balance t2? Yeah, lose your creature but the initiative is maybe enough there, especially with two moxen in play.
Supposedly Wizards had a internal playtesting team they talked about to prevent busted cards from being printed. The first set they worked on? The set Oko was in.
I heard it rumoured that the internal playtesting team failed to realize Oko's elk transform effect could be used on enemy permanents as a control tool.
@@PornTrouT I did too. I think it's because I really enjoyed the fairy tale flavor. I feel the same way about innistrad standard. I loved it. It was my favorite standard format ever and then I look back and think man what an oppressive format lol huntmaster, thragtusk, snapcaster, sphinx's revelation, Supreme verdict. It was an expensive standard and very powerful but man I loved it
I strongly disagree about balance being unbanned. You missed out on when it does go off its simply unfun and that alone is why it shouldn't be unbanned. It might not be as consistent but in the end that doesnt matter much.
The biggest issue with Lagacy is all the ancient cards that haven't been reprinted in ages because of Collector pandering shenanigans. Still not as bad as Vintage though, where far more of them are legal and required for optimal play. But because of how expensive the cards are you'd be an idiot to play an actual game using them. There's a reason proxies run rampant when trying to play these two formats casually in person.
*Strip Mine* will NEVER be un-banned for that very simple reason; WotC already fixed it. Several. Times. Over. Also, it is my firm and totally _unfounded_ belief that *Oko* 's second ability was MISPRINTED as a plus instead of a minus.
Library of Alexandria is pretty safe in my opinion. In the early days of magic, threats were much weaker so you could afford to take time off. And back when Library was still a real threat in Vintage, the meta was blue mirrors with grips full of counterspells and few ways to advance the board - now it's not even viable there. In today's Magic I think the card would not even be playable in Legacy, let alone ban-worthy. A colourless land is a huge cost to pay in a format where control is playing very colour-intensive cards like Brainstorm/Ponder/Uro/EI/Prismatic Ending. It not only dies to wasteland but if you have
As a long time yugioh player and and even longer magic player. I can say without Mental Mistep is prolly the strongest counter spell ever printed. Force of Will is good but you go -2 (-3 if you count the life). Mental misstep is basically a 1 for 1 that warped both modern and legacy meta when it was printed I remember cards being pushed aside because it got countered by misstep. Decks went from a 60 to 56 card decks because an overwhelming number of tournament decks ran 4 missteps
Cards are banned in vintage only if they mess up the rules of the game are have been determined to be racist or otherwise culturally unacceptable. Examples are anything mentioning ante and Chaos Orb.
@@danielsank2286 thats for banned, limited i assume are just sheer power combinations, but thats where i'd love to hear the stories about with those that are limited to 1
1:27 actually, now the Faerie Formation allow you to draw a card and create a 1/1 flying blue faerie creature token for 3U. But still, it's way more than a generic 1 mana. Fair analysis of Oko, not gonna lie. Also, 4 loyalty for 3 mana? No, downgrade it to just 3, since almost every other planeswalker have a starting loyalty equal to or less than the "mana value"
It's also worth pointing out that the Legacy banned list helps keep the format more accessible to players who have less than a 10 figure net worth. If they start taking cards off the banned list that cost the same as a used car that become "necessary" to compete players will leave in droves. Of course it's second to the fact that at that point you might as well go play Vintage. In fact if I recall the WotC website says something about a more restrictive banned list makes it more accessible than Vintage.
I don't think it would work misstep was so format warping back in the day - I played 4 Missteps in Goblins (A red deck) solely to protect my one drops from my opponents missteps -Even decks like Elves and Dredge used to play 4 missteps. "I Misstep your Misstep" used to be such a common line it was ridiculous.
For balance I misheard you say bounce at one point, which lead to me realizing how insanely strong that would be with bounce cards like eerie interlude.
I would argue that (at least in a format as powerful as Legacy), the part of Mental Misstep that made it so over the top egregious is that fact that it counters other Mental Missteps. I *think* if they were to straight-up reprint it but include another targeting restriction, it could be ok. Something like "counter target spell with mana value 1 that targets you or a permanent you control." This would let creature decks of all colors have a counter to cards like Lightning Bolt and Swords to Plowshares, and combo decks have an answer to Thoughtseize/Duress without necessarily warping the entire format, as not necessarily every deck wants access to that kind of effect, so you wouldn't just have every deck playing 4 like was the case before the ban.
As uaual I disagree with a couple but I think this has been the least egregious so far. The two I disagree with are Library and especially Oko. The thing about Oko is that people remember snowko being THE Oko deck but as with every busted blue card he was arguably strongest in Delver and Delver certainly doesn't need new tools. For any blue card on the ban list is that it needs to be very bad or very specifically not for Delver to be safe to unban. Library I think is a soft no. Sure it's fallen off in Vintage and Legacy is an incredibly fast format right now but the power ceiling is so high. The second the meta shifts to one where control is better Library would make control decks way too strong.
so this is true but oko's worth in delver is alot worse in mh2 legacy, like they're not many good elk targets in legacy atm, inititive creatures, drc/delvers/ murktide. Are all bad elk targets. Like everything kills oko these days aswell, pending, unholy heats, pyroblast. One of oko's biggest selling point was it being impossible to answer. Library just sucks in modern magic i cannot see it seeing play it's just strictly worse urza's saga as a value land.
Kind of surprised that Dreadhorde Arcanist has its ability proc on itself and its power instead of an Army token like a bunch of other Dreadhorde stuff.
Library of Alexandria is, imo, a bit of a trap. It doesn't cost you anything, that's true, but it forces you into a pretty poor play pattern. That's its main issue in Vintage. It wins you a few games you would have lost, but it frequently loses you games where you failed to develop your board in order to keep the effect live
For Dreadhorde Archanist, what if its textbox says: You may cast an instant or sorcery card from your graveyard with mana cost equal to this creature's power MINUS 1? This would then force the Izzet Player to make sure the Archanist had a buff effect somewhere or else it's not going to play anything when it attacks... is that enough to cripple it?
In the Duel/ManaLogs drinking game I'be been making up, if "typo in video text" is a drink and "two different typos for the same thing" is taking a shot, "typo in the thumbnail" is downing a full beer before starting to watch the video. (I mean this in the spirit of humor, not mockery.)
some cards dont seem too crazy in Vintage where they are restricted but having cards legal as 4 offs and thereby available with some reliability every game changes things ba a lot. so no, Balance is not fine.
There are extremely potent cantrips in legacy, and the control shell surrounding it makes it very hard to stop. FOW contributed to it, but it just generates too much value for a 2 drop (somewhat similar to ragavan) especially in izzet delver shells, which are already extremely powerful
something i think would make a good "failed mechanics" video: aggro planeswalkers. planeswalker cards inherently lean towards control, being expensive and generating value over time, and planeswalkers such as chandra often just dont fit into dedicayed aggro decks despite their abilities suggesting thats what theyre for
Oko's a main deck card, not Extra Deck. Companions were like Extra Deck cards. And Oko didn't tribute opponent's creatures, he made them into vanilla 3/3s, so basically 1200/1200 Normal Monsters in YGO terms.
Imagine an extra deck monster with the super poly text and 2 generic material. It has targeting and battle protection and gains 2k each endstep That's oko
Yeahhh, Balance and Library should definitely stay banned. Balance would be the return of some brutal stax lists, and would also manage to be a Burning Wish target for storm decks that can easily splash cast it with Lotus Petals. Besides this, there are so many ways to accelerate yourself in the first turn or two and get solid board presence that a balance would just kill your opponent even if all it does is make them discard their hand. I would start playing a BW Pox list if Balance was back, that’s for sure. It would be super toxic and force players to either run only cards they can accelerate out that aren’t affected by it or run bad answers specifically for it and warp the format. As for Library, it’s just too good. This card makes control so absurd. You would bring back Standstill decks en masse (which ultimately I’m fine with since UB Standstill was my first legacy deck), and stax, D&T, and any blue control just get so much stronger. The format would warp around it, because as you build your deck you either have to get value out of it or be dedicated to being faster than it, and with all the answers present in the format, it’s hard to be faster than it. While yes, I’m legacy you play a lot more cards, you have all sorts of ways to refill your hand for Library to continue to stay relevant at essentially all points of the game.
Given how important 1-drops are to legacy, yes. Unless a deck is built around chalice of the void (another card that hates on 1-drops), they play some very important 1-drops. Threats such as Delver, Dragon's rage Channeler, Death's shadow, Swiftspear... Answers such as Lightning bolt, swords to plowshares, Fatal push... Consistency tools like ponder, preordain, brainstorm, faithless looting/careful study... It also hits ramp spells like elves & noble heirarch, dark ritual and aether vial. There's also combo cards such as high tide, gamble, reanimate... And combo disruption (Thoughtseize, Spell pierce, Cabal therapy...) In addition to hitting important sideboard cards (Veil of Summer, Carpet of flowers, Surgical extraction, Pyro/Hydroblast...) All that having misstep counter itself does is provide even more incentive for everyone to play it.
I think it's even better? Okay, you don't have any Misstep wars, but it still answers nearly anything your opponent does on turn 1, and now their only responses to save it are - Force of Will (go down 2 cards) - Daze (go down a card and a land drop) - Pact of Negation (lose the game next turn) All of these set your opponent too far back on turn 1 when all you've done is play a card and lose 2 life. The worst part about Misstep isn't really the effect, it's that no other counterspell can be cast for so few resources, and probably that no counterspell *should* be cast for so few resources.
The constant typos in these videos are hilarious, but now they've invaded the thumbnails. For heaven's sake, whomever is doing the editing, find a spell-checker.
I was treating this channel as good junk food material, but I'm unsubscribing. The channel has always been full of glaring mistakes, but a typo in the thumbnail takes the cake. Take your time to research the videos better, proofread the material, and just make it seem like you give a shit about the content you produce, and I'll be back. The templating and format are good; you just need to spend twice as long or more making each video if you want to grow as a creator.
9:31 Say the word "arcane" out loud. Notice how the second "a" has a long sound? Now, using that as a base, say "arcanist", using that long "a" sound for the second "a" here as well. Doesn't that sound so much better?
library of alexandria is a joke imho... in the context of legacy at least if you are first, you play the library and... pass because you have 6 cards in hand so you can draw next turn? if you are second, you play it, use it to draw... and give your opponent 2 whole free turns (yes, i know force of will is a thing, but still) you are dead either ways, you can't actually use that land for mana since as you correctly stated the majority of cards played (akak actually casted) in legacy tend to cost 1 colored mana, sure you got one card... but you are basically 2 turns behind
Simple, play a deck that draws then passes. Value and counter your opponent out, then play a win-con. Maybe in draft it can be a trap, but calling it shit is so strange.
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My favorite Oko story is a player elk'ing their own Black Lotus to swing for lethal and win a tournament
The Lagacy format seems interesting
Sadly decks cost an insane amount
@@TheLuckySpades The comment was about the typo
@@fernandobanda5734 oops, didn't even read the thumbnail
Great format. You Can try without dual lands cause WE use lot of basics on legacy (wasteland 🥲)
@@rominou77 or u can proxy
FINALLY we get a lagacy banlist video, been wanting one for ages!
well your in luck cause if you look at the title this is part 5 of the legacy banlist videos.
Balance can be the most powerful card in magic by itself, it should never be unbanned. Stax shells would absolutely love the card at minimum, but if you unban balance the legacy players are going to have a field day concocting the best balance deck. Amusingly storm decks with burning wish would run the card in the sideboard and it would be very powerful there at answering hatebears, destroying their lands, and making them discard.
Lagacy seems so powerful
it is. it's also a very hard format to play, there's a lot of decisions to make every turn. there's a reason why people who learn the format swear by it
Vintage is popular among its playerbase for much the same reason. just... don't play it in paper unless you don't want to pay rent for a year
@@mb778_ the format is doomed in paper so long as the reserved list exists. playing it irl is kinda dumb anyway since you won't find many players to play it with unless you allow proxies. your best bet is to just play it on modo
@@mb778_ Also, make sure your deck has a reliable First-Turn Win condition and a playset of Force of Will. Unless you have a humiliation kink.
Legacy is like playing Yu-Gi-Oh, and I mean that with all possible contempt
So, legacy is the second most powerful 60 card format if people didn't know this. Library of Alexandria is actually abusable because of the stack.
Activate Library while you have 2 or 3 in play. Hold priority, activate the other Library, and then again if you have another. This will net you not just 1. But 2 or 3 or 4 cards. Based on your copies and board state.
If you're spending that much time tapping Libraries Delver has probably already killed you.
@@petrie911 Yeah like the setup required to get 3 libraries on the field just so you can draw a couple extra cards instead of just winning the game is far too much. If you do this you also took up 3 land drops so you probably have zero mana lands and like, wow you drew those cards, very cool. Can you actually play them though?
This is running a much more heavy control deck. I could see some control decks using this as a fall back for the deck or "wasteland" fodder.
@@corey397 Alexandria can't really be a fall back plan. Generally you don't want to have 7 cards in your hand, you'd rather just use them. You'd have to be preventing your opponent from playing the game with at minimum 2 cards then also library AND 7 in hand. This includes zero searchers too.
it's simply not worth it when you could just be doing something far more consistent that doesn't require you to build around it. It's always better to have winning cards in your deck than cards that plan for failure.
>Activate Library while you have 2 or 3 in play. Hold priority, activate the other Library, and then again if you have another. This will net you not just 1. But 2 or 3 or 4 cards. Based on your copies and board state.
Library doesn't work that way because you need to have seven cards in your hand to activate the card drawing ability in the first place.
The card text with added emphasis:
>Library of Alexandria
>Land
>{T}: Add {C}.
>{T}: Draw a card. ACTIVATE ONLY IF YOU HAVE EXACTLY SEVEN CARDS IN HAND.
When I first saw Oko I thought the Elk ability was a -1.
At the time I thought that card seemed pretty fair and reasonable.
Well, Okko rolling in, fucking everything up and leaving is at least lore accurate, I guess.
Legacy is one of my favorite formats. Drafting with a legacy cube is peak fun.
Lagacy*
Mine's vantage
I have really come to dislike the volatile nature of legacy cubes, and stuck to more medium power formats like peasant
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Making misstep cost two blue phyrexian mana might have made it OK. It could no longer counter itself and 4 life is pretty steep.
Another thing that people ignores in Balance case, you can combo with Teferi's Protection.
That's not even the issue.
The biggest problem with balance is mox opal and chrome mox.
It's best case is that it can straight up just rip 2-3 cards from your opponents hand
I'm always a bit behind on news from Lagacy
Your suggestions for Oko are exactly what WOTC did for an event. Food was a +1, elk was -2, and the -5 stayed the same.
what event? I'm guessing on Arena
@@DotHacker99 yeah, it took a bunch of banned cards and modified them to be balanced.
I don't think balance could be unbanned, there's a pretty busted interaction if you make instant speed and play it in response to cracking your own fetches. There's an easy way to do this as well with 3 mana teferi. He's a premium way of getting flash on sorceries and is already a 4 of in uwx decks.
I was gonna say- balance would be NUTS in legacy. Imagine it with the two pitch moxen - take the initiative t1, balance t2? Yeah, lose your creature but the initiative is maybe enough there, especially with two moxen in play.
Supposedly Wizards had a internal playtesting team they talked about to prevent busted cards from being printed. The first set they worked on? The set Oko was in.
Sam Black has discussed that before. According to him, he was constantly telling R&D that Oko was too powerful, only to be ignored.
I heard it rumoured that the internal playtesting team failed to realize Oko's elk transform effect could be used on enemy permanents as a control tool.
I know Ok was and still is very broken, but I have to be honest, I really liked playing him, specially as G/U is my favorite color comb in all Magic
Same lol
Ok, satan. Tbh I kinda enjoyed the Oko era standard.
@@PornTrouT I did too. I think it's because I really enjoyed the fairy tale flavor. I feel the same way about innistrad standard. I loved it. It was my favorite standard format ever and then I look back and think man what an oppressive format lol huntmaster, thragtusk, snapcaster, sphinx's revelation, Supreme verdict. It was an expensive standard and very powerful but man I loved it
Love the lagacy format
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Good video! Really enjoying the series. Just FYI: There's a typo in your thumbnail "Lagacy"
In a lot of the videos' texts in the video (the text on the screen), there is a TON of typos as well.
I strongly disagree about balance being unbanned. You missed out on when it does go off its simply unfun and that alone is why it shouldn't be unbanned. It might not be as consistent but in the end that doesnt matter much.
sure but they're are so many more consistant turn 1 kill bs in legacy. Balance Bs doesn't even win the game. ccompare that to oops
@@chaosky9 none of those decks are consistent and loose to balance decks
Good old Lagacy format
Lagacy! Don't ever change Mr logs
The biggest issue with Lagacy is all the ancient cards that haven't been reprinted in ages because of Collector pandering shenanigans. Still not as bad as Vintage though, where far more of them are legal and required for optimal play. But because of how expensive the cards are you'd be an idiot to play an actual game using them. There's a reason proxies run rampant when trying to play these two formats casually in person.
Vantage* 😉
*Strip Mine* will NEVER be un-banned for that very simple reason; WotC already fixed it. Several. Times. Over.
Also, it is my firm and totally _unfounded_ belief that *Oko* 's second ability was MISPRINTED as a plus instead of a minus.
Then they would have just done a day 0 errata like with Hostage taker
Library of Alexandria is pretty safe in my opinion. In the early days of magic, threats were much weaker so you could afford to take time off. And back when Library was still a real threat in Vintage, the meta was blue mirrors with grips full of counterspells and few ways to advance the board - now it's not even viable there. In today's Magic I think the card would not even be playable in Legacy, let alone ban-worthy. A colourless land is a huge cost to pay in a format where control is playing very colour-intensive cards like Brainstorm/Ponder/Uro/EI/Prismatic Ending. It not only dies to wasteland but if you have
As a long time yugioh player and and even longer magic player. I can say without Mental Mistep is prolly the strongest counter spell ever printed. Force of Will is good but you go -2 (-3 if you count the life). Mental misstep is basically a 1 for 1 that warped both modern and legacy meta when it was printed I remember cards being pushed aside because it got countered by misstep. Decks went from a 60 to 56 card decks because an overwhelming number of tournament decks ran 4 missteps
different cards that were limited in vintage would be interesting to hear about. wonder what the stories are to some of them
Cards are banned in vintage only if they mess up the rules of the game are have been determined to be racist or otherwise culturally unacceptable. Examples are anything mentioning ante and Chaos Orb.
@@danielsank2286 thats for banned, limited i assume are just sheer power combinations, but thats where i'd love to hear the stories about with those that are limited to 1
Wow these lagacy cards are something else
Lagacy is my favorite digimon format
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1:27 actually, now the Faerie Formation allow you to draw a card and create a 1/1 flying blue faerie creature token for 3U. But still, it's way more than a generic 1 mana.
Fair analysis of Oko, not gonna lie. Also, 4 loyalty for 3 mana? No, downgrade it to just 3, since almost every other planeswalker have a starting loyalty equal to or less than the "mana value"
It's also worth pointing out that the Legacy banned list helps keep the format more accessible to players who have less than a 10 figure net worth.
If they start taking cards off the banned list that cost the same as a used car that become "necessary" to compete players will leave in droves.
Of course it's second to the fact that at that point you might as well go play Vintage. In fact if I recall the WotC website says something about a more restrictive banned list makes it more accessible than Vintage.
"More accessible"
Unbanning Mental Misstep would be a huge boost to Initative decks, since they have far fewer one mana spells than most other decks.
I don't think it would work misstep was so format warping back in the day - I played 4 Missteps in Goblins (A red deck) solely to protect my one drops from my opponents missteps -Even decks like Elves and Dredge used to play 4 missteps.
"I Misstep your Misstep" used to be such a common line it was ridiculous.
As a cube player, balance is the most unfair card ever. It’s utility in control/ reanimator or the “fair balance” is insane.
For balance I misheard you say bounce at one point, which lead to me realizing how insanely strong that would be with bounce cards like eerie interlude.
7:22 well well well we got Minor Misstep
now the question is if it is good enough to see legacy play
I would argue that (at least in a format as powerful as Legacy), the part of Mental Misstep that made it so over the top egregious is that fact that it counters other Mental Missteps. I *think* if they were to straight-up reprint it but include another targeting restriction, it could be ok. Something like "counter target spell with mana value 1 that targets you or a permanent you control." This would let creature decks of all colors have a counter to cards like Lightning Bolt and Swords to Plowshares, and combo decks have an answer to Thoughtseize/Duress without necessarily warping the entire format, as not necessarily every deck wants access to that kind of effect, so you wouldn't just have every deck playing 4 like was the case before the ban.
I was playing Vintage at the time when Misstep was at 4, the misstep wars could get downright comical.
As uaual I disagree with a couple but I think this has been the least egregious so far. The two I disagree with are Library and especially Oko. The thing about Oko is that people remember snowko being THE Oko deck but as with every busted blue card he was arguably strongest in Delver and Delver certainly doesn't need new tools. For any blue card on the ban list is that it needs to be very bad or very specifically not for Delver to be safe to unban.
Library I think is a soft no. Sure it's fallen off in Vintage and Legacy is an incredibly fast format right now but the power ceiling is so high. The second the meta shifts to one where control is better Library would make control decks way too strong.
so this is true but oko's worth in delver is alot worse in mh2 legacy, like they're not many good elk targets in legacy atm, inititive creatures, drc/delvers/ murktide. Are all bad elk targets. Like everything kills oko these days aswell, pending, unholy heats, pyroblast. One of oko's biggest selling point was it being impossible to answer. Library just sucks in modern magic i cannot see it seeing play it's just strictly worse urza's saga as a value land.
Kind of surprised that Dreadhorde Arcanist has its ability proc on itself and its power instead of an Army token like a bunch of other Dreadhorde stuff.
Library of Alexandria is, imo, a bit of a trap. It doesn't cost you anything, that's true, but it forces you into a pretty poor play pattern.
That's its main issue in Vintage. It wins you a few games you would have lost, but it frequently loses you games where you failed to develop your board in order to keep the effect live
I think that Mental misstep could be fixed in a way that it counters spells with mana value of 0 instead of 1
Ahhhh, good old Beeble-o-plex.
Quality control for that yellow text seems pretty lacking.
For Dreadhorde Archanist, what if its textbox says:
You may cast an instant or sorcery card from your graveyard with mana cost equal to this creature's power MINUS 1? This would then force the Izzet Player to make sure the Archanist had a buff effect somewhere or else it's not going to play anything when it attacks... is that enough to cripple it?
The lagacy format has too many connection issues for me to get into it. I might get into it if they introduce the wifi router mechanic into it
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In the Duel/ManaLogs drinking game I'be been making up, if "typo in video text" is a drink and "two different typos for the same thing" is taking a shot, "typo in the thumbnail" is downing a full beer before starting to watch the video.
(I mean this in the spirit of humor, not mockery.)
some cards dont seem too crazy in Vintage where they are restricted but having cards legal as 4 offs and thereby available with some reliability every game changes things ba a lot. so no, Balance is not fine.
Why is Dreadhorde Arcanist only to good in legacy yet is legal everywhere else? Is it just because of FoW to protect it?
There are extremely potent cantrips in legacy, and the control shell surrounding it makes it very hard to stop. FOW contributed to it, but it just generates too much value for a 2 drop (somewhat similar to ragavan) especially in izzet delver shells, which are already extremely powerful
The 3 best blue cantrips
Oh hey, you fixed the lagacy typo
Best or Worst Ravnica Guilds Keyword abilities
I hate addendum, that shit feels so counter-intuitive. Good effects but casting instants main phase 🤮 no please
yall need some quality control on these videos, great content but a lot of weird mistakes that could be fixed easily
I mean, they make a LOT of videos
@@muddlewait8844 Considering the speaker isn't the one doing the video editing, he may not be wholly at fault here.
I wonder if there's any simple rulebook fix that MTG can make to instantly make all alternative (non-mana) casting costs a real penalty.
Amazing!
Me waiting for the re-upload like 🍿
something i think would make a good "failed mechanics" video: aggro planeswalkers. planeswalker cards inherently lean towards control, being expensive and generating value over time, and planeswalkers such as chandra often just dont fit into dedicayed aggro decks despite their abilities suggesting thats what theyre for
Arnold ~ lagacy iz da moss OP fomat
Lagacy format is too powerful
For a moment I readed "Lasagna" 🤣
Mental Note: never watch a Logs video while hunger...
So Oko would be like if there was an Extra Deck monster that could tribute opposing monsters for cost while making tokens that gave it protection?
Basically yeah
Oko's a main deck card, not Extra Deck. Companions were like Extra Deck cards. And Oko didn't tribute opponent's creatures, he made them into vanilla 3/3s, so basically 1200/1200 Normal Monsters in YGO terms.
Imagine an extra deck monster with the super poly text and 2 generic material.
It has targeting and battle protection and gains 2k each endstep
That's oko
Yeahhh, Balance and Library should definitely stay banned. Balance would be the return of some brutal stax lists, and would also manage to be a Burning Wish target for storm decks that can easily splash cast it with Lotus Petals. Besides this, there are so many ways to accelerate yourself in the first turn or two and get solid board presence that a balance would just kill your opponent even if all it does is make them discard their hand. I would start playing a BW Pox list if Balance was back, that’s for sure. It would be super toxic and force players to either run only cards they can accelerate out that aren’t affected by it or run bad answers specifically for it and warp the format.
As for Library, it’s just too good. This card makes control so absurd. You would bring back Standstill decks en masse (which ultimately I’m fine with since UB Standstill was my first legacy deck), and stax, D&T, and any blue control just get so much stronger. The format would warp around it, because as you build your deck you either have to get value out of it or be dedicated to being faster than it, and with all the answers present in the format, it’s hard to be faster than it. While yes, I’m legacy you play a lot more cards, you have all sorts of ways to refill your hand for Library to continue to stay relevant at essentially all points of the game.
For some more historical perspectives..."Explaining Every Ban in Extended/Block Constructed"?
This joke is now part of your youtuber lagacy
Could be interesting if they ban delver and unban arcanist
oko could not be unbanned
Would Mental Misstep be overpowered if it could counter any one cost spell excluding itself?
Given how important 1-drops are to legacy, yes. Unless a deck is built around chalice of the void (another card that hates on 1-drops), they play some very important 1-drops.
Threats such as Delver, Dragon's rage Channeler, Death's shadow, Swiftspear...
Answers such as Lightning bolt, swords to plowshares, Fatal push...
Consistency tools like ponder, preordain, brainstorm, faithless looting/careful study...
It also hits ramp spells like elves & noble heirarch, dark ritual and aether vial.
There's also combo cards such as high tide, gamble, reanimate...
And combo disruption (Thoughtseize, Spell pierce, Cabal therapy...)
In addition to hitting important sideboard cards (Veil of Summer, Carpet of flowers, Surgical extraction, Pyro/Hydroblast...)
All that having misstep counter itself does is provide even more incentive for everyone to play it.
I think it's even better? Okay, you don't have any Misstep wars, but it still answers nearly anything your opponent does on turn 1, and now their only responses to save it are
- Force of Will (go down 2 cards)
- Daze (go down a card and a land drop)
- Pact of Negation (lose the game next turn)
All of these set your opponent too far back on turn 1 when all you've done is play a card and lose 2 life. The worst part about Misstep isn't really the effect, it's that no other counterspell can be cast for so few resources, and probably that no counterspell *should* be cast for so few resources.
@@MrSchwad Yeah, that kinda makes sense. I guess the one mana-line is just too strong in legacy for a cheap counterspell that works on it to be fair.
Lagacy will be the number 1 mtg format
The constant typos in these videos are hilarious, but now they've invaded the thumbnails. For heaven's sake, whomever is doing the editing, find a spell-checker.
TBH I've never heard about this "Lagacy" format, but it having a ban list already means it has a healthy player base.
I feel like 8cast is plenty good without the help of balance
IDK who thought no 4 was gunna be a fair and balanced card
Wotc didn't think about turning your opponents stuff into elks
Do you discuss with a more experienced Magic player? Thinking that balance could be unbanned is a positively deranged take
He doesn't really make these videos, they're scripted and edited by actually experienced players.
L A G A C Y
I was treating this channel as good junk food material, but I'm unsubscribing. The channel has always been full of glaring mistakes, but a typo in the thumbnail takes the cake. Take your time to research the videos better, proofread the material, and just make it seem like you give a shit about the content you produce, and I'll be back. The templating and format are good; you just need to spend twice as long or more making each video if you want to grow as a creator.
Logs is plenty large enough without you mate
Not the Lagacy format
Calling Oko “removal” is inaccurate and goofy.
Lagacy
Dude half the shit you say is completely wrong
LAGACY
9:31 Say the word "arcane" out loud. Notice how the second "a" has a long sound? Now, using that as a base, say "arcanist", using that long "a" sound for the second "a" here as well. Doesn't that sound so much better?
library of alexandria is a joke imho... in the context of legacy at least
if you are first, you play the library and... pass because you have 6 cards in hand so you can draw next turn?
if you are second, you play it, use it to draw... and give your opponent 2 whole free turns (yes, i know force of will is a thing, but still)
you are dead either ways, you can't actually use that land for mana since as you correctly stated the majority of cards played (akak actually casted) in legacy tend to cost 1 colored mana, sure you got one card... but you are basically 2 turns behind
Library is such a shit card I don't see how you can play to use it and not ruin your tempo
Simple, play a deck that draws then passes. Value and counter your opponent out, then play a win-con.
Maybe in draft it can be a trap, but calling it shit is so strange.
Arcanist could be unbanned if Brainstorm got banned.
ponder still exists
Ponder and preordain
Legacy not lagacy
Legacy*