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EMPs are interesting things. A friend of mine had a neighbor that thought everyone in the neighborhood should listen to his music. My friend went down to his neighbors house and asked him to turn it down. The neighbor said "What are you going to do about it?" My friend said OK and left. My friend is a ham operator with a directional antenna. Sometime later the speakers the neighbor was using blew up. That's what happens when you point a ham antenna at a speaker, turn up the power and hit the transmit button. The neighbor never did figure out why his speakers kept blowing up. The moral of the story is that EMPs can be good things on occasion unless you're a jerk neighbor.
I hope he modulated it and spoke to him in a booming voice telling him to re-examine his priorities before he bumped up the power and blew the speakers up.!!!
better yet. in the darkness of night go to his house and take away his power meter. The house is "dead" and the power company has no sense of "that's funny". I Did this to a guy in Calif. the PGE group would not install another one until he posted a Bond. lol, lol, lol,
My 1986 Mercedes 1116 would have been. Loved that truck. The way you shut it down was to push down on the fuel cut off. As long as it had fuel it would keep running.
my 12v cummins with a stick can be bump started, fuel solenoid can be replaced with a cable (on loss of charging system and drained batteries), computer would likely die but would only take out the cruise and alternator, nothing the engine needs to push the truck down the road, my deuce and a half is slightly less complex, but maybe its possible to loose the 1 wire gm alternator conversion if a diode or regulator popped, but it too can bump start any old school mechanical diesel wouldn't notice a emp, but maybe a fuel solenoid or charging system is all the electricity they use
As far as i remember, 1994 is when the feds mandated electronic fuel pumps. 97 for anti lock front brakes, and 2000 for trailers, i got new ones of each those years. Computer controlled pumps were available in the eighties sometime. My 94 had cruise, electronic tach and speedo, and a low coolant shutdown, and of course injectors. Everything else, i think was 100% mechanical. Those trucks were extremely reliable, and the pinnacle of class 8 trucks. It has been downhill since.
I was driving a diesel powered switcher yard truck at the freight company I worked at when a lightning bolt struck close by. The fuel solenoid dropped out and it stopped me. This happened to me twice at that place in 4 years I worked there.
Always watch where you park..a friend parked his rig next to a power pole..a power surge blew the transformer beside the truck...all electronic modules crapped out at once
I know that this is a interesting subject. Carbs, points distributer, mechanical injection, yatta yatta…. Unfortunately nothing runs without FUEL!!! Better have a stockpile of it for any of this to matter
My 12 Valve daily driver would be. EMP might take out the power windows and other things but being a stick shift I don't even need the battery or key to start it. My FSS is gutted so no issue there either.
@@danw6014 No. Stock 12 Valve is mechanical pump driven by the camshaft. I have a high volume low pressure pump but works the same at stock in the same location. Is just more fuel.
During the First Gulf War Boots and Coots were dispatched to put out well fires in Kuwait. The large pumps they sent over were Detroit 810s built on a large tube frame. Compressed air was stored in the large frame for starting. Nitrogen could be used if the air was depleted for some reason. There was nothing electrical or electronic on the assembly. The tach and temp gauge were mechanical. A fuel truck was brought in and hooked up to the engine. These too were mechanical and not susceptible to EMP. These were used to pump water onto the well fires. They built several of these in Houston for shipment to Kuwait.
Would a 1984 Mercedes 300d diesel still start though? It's mechanical fuel infection but would I be able to start it. The scenario I'm concerned about is just to get home from work if an EMP struck during a work day?
I lived Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico and I was grateful to own a 7.3IDI. I see a lot of business with generator with new ECU engine problems could not find mechanic with laptops to diagnose them
It would stand a chance. Most mechanically injected engines would stand a chance too. People will argue electric starter will be damaged... but that is highly unlikely.
Most vehicles' bodies themselves act as the faraday cage, and keep in mind that some ECUs have a metal casing themselves. One could justify that the sensors and wiring, yes, are the vulnerable ones, and then transmit the damage, but again, metal truck body. And people have done plenty of tests, mainly with tesla coils, on vehicles to see if they would survive an EMP. A huge majority of them start right up.
The Tesla coil methodology is flawed due to the magnet field created is many orders of magnitude lower than a full EMP. The equivalent would be saying “DC is safe because the 9v battery only tickles your tongue” but you’re working on a 300v EV pack.
@@jrobmccoy Voltage doesn't matter for safety, Current does. Static electricity shocks are usually around 100k Volts, and how many times in the Winter do you get shocked.
Car bodies aren't faraday cages unless you ground them really well. Lightning strikes can arc through the tires to ground because of the insane voltage (it would have hit ground without the car anyway). If this is a genuine concern make your parking structure a faraday cage and test it. Also you need to be prepared to grow and process your desired fuel plus the needed conversion components. Keep spare parts and lots of oil, trans fluid, etc.
Some solid state electronics may possibly survive an EMP. Typically Diodes and transistors as well as IC circuits are suspectable to frying with an EMP. Where our grand parents and great grandparents came out on top with tube/valve type electronics is they were practically indestructible by an EMP.
Thanks for your time I don’t really know much about the electronics of a engine but I know my 6nz has some and my ford 6.0 has so much it won’t do anything without the electronics working in sync thanks again
You would need a VERY powerful EMP to short out a engine management computer. Especially one that was not running therefore not outputting voltage. Also remember a vehicle itself is a faraday cage, that’s how they can survive lightning strikes and more or less still limp home. And let’s remember also modern coil pack based gasoline engines have a micro emp fired off under the hood every time a spark plug fires, that’s how you can hear the plugs firing on an unshielded stereo system. If your plug wires and stereo are unprotected you can actually get bleed through from the high voltage transformers which are the coils.
Considering the fact that the only way to make a significant EMP burst over a wide area is a high yield thermonuclear weapon, you’re going to have much bigger problems than your truck being broken.
Most vehicles are too small to be effected by EMP, EMP needs long cables and wires like transmission lines to generate significant voltage. All the cab-specific stuff would be fine on a tractor trailer, however anything sensitive to voltage that plugs into the trailer may be damaged.
Get a large enough Faraday cage around the electronics, then yes they are. An older mechanical injected diesel would be more so since it just has the alternator/generator and starter. You protect the electrical system, anything can be EMP proof.
I had lightening hit a silo by my garage and not only was the fridge and freezer dead it took out a computer on my truck. Sadly if an emp was set off over the USA it would cause a major disaster.
Totally unrelated question, but I need some help. I have a 2000 year model C12 in a Frieghtliner. Truck runs pretty good as long as I eat into the throttle and keep the RPM under 1700 or as long as I don't suddenly go from full throttle to a completely closed throttle. Once either of these happen, get a severe solid miss as if the system has low fuel pressure or sucking air. It will recover if I ease off the throttle for a little while. Any idea where to start? Is this common on C12? Thanks!
If you're worried about EMPs just slap a carburetor and points on your gas engine. I've heard of stories about tons of cars going black for a few seconds on highways in the middle of nowhere.
@LabRat Knatz You're right it isn't simple but it's still easier than trying to completely EMP proof a modern car that's basically a computer on wheels. It would also need a mechanical fuel pump, manual selector for the auto or a manual trans, all mechanical gauges, and the wiring harness greatly simplified. The BCM could remain, or for extra spice, replace it with a row of toggle switches.
@LabRat Knatz That Amazon charger is highly suspect. I don't order things off that website anymore and the only chargers and cables I buy is a name brand that I've heard of or used before.
cars and trucks are already somewhat EMP hardened by their metal exteriors. I wonder if you could fully EMP harden a car by adding a crap ton of EMI shielding to all the wiring and keeping the modules in metal enclosures.
You likely don't even need the faraday cage. The wiring acts like an antenna and helps ramp up the voltages that fry the computer. If the computer(s) are not connected then it is probable that they will survive Simply having a spare not connected will likely be enough. Having said that, many of your sensors that the computer is connected to will also fail due to EMP. Without a crank position sensor, a coolant temp sensor, or any of the other myriad sensors then it is also likely that your diesel will not meet the parameters for the computer to allow the engine to fire. Only true mechanical engines will be "EMP Proof" , as you said. However, many will be OK with a simple battery disconnect and reconnect. . The Department of the Army did a study and found that, surprisingly, auto and heavy equipment engine computers are tough. It all depends on how far away, and even the direction that the vehicle is pointing, among other factors.
Huh, my 91.5 1st gen cummins already has the ecm deleted, who knew dodge's trash wiring would put me ahead of the game one day. Looks like I'm going to be the king when the world ends lmao
Thanks for featuring my submission 😁 I’m sure I’ll have more for you. I have more pics of this failure if anyone is interested. Anyone curious about the financials - it’s a touch under $625,000 for the engine alone on a D model (no core value in this case with a windowed block). Factor in $75k for a new radiator, $75k for a torque converter, $50k for all other miscellaneous hydraulic pumps and another $100k for all the other miscellaneous parts/hoses that are needed. I can tell you that with copper prices being what they are, these numbers pale in comparison to the cost of downtime on this unit.
would love to see more. reminds me of rebuilding crashed turbines at power plants. I spent half a day picking up stator veins on a 7fa turbine, cant imagine how many millions they had to spend replacing shells and rotor.
Have you ever heard of EMP Shield? they have a lot of federal contracts and they’re able to be placed on vehicles RVs generators homes etc. currently they have a contract with the US military and we are supposed to install it on all defense vehicles
Wrong. Anything with a coil gets fried. That includes the generator coil that makes the power. Doesn't matter whether gas or diesel. If your whole gen is not in a faraday cage and unplugged, it's toast. Also, if you open the faraday while the different sttages of EMP are still surging it's toast. That can take over a day I think I heard.. and there can be multiple EMPS and you won't necessarily know when they will end.
I fell down this rabbit hole after the line on battlefield 4 campaign about the aircraft carrier diesel engine being unaffected by the EMP and something about "as long as the engine keeps running"
Does it rely on electronics to function? If yes not emp proof. If no it is emp proof. If it is manual transmission and does not rely on any electronics you can coast it down a hill fire it up and roll in style during the apocalypse. Although I kind of wonder how strong of an EMP it would take to fry something like a starter that is designed to handle large spikes of high current but low voltage...I'm thinking that maybe the relatively low current high voltage induced AC might be able to blow through the enamel insulation and cause a short internally in the motor though... 🤔 Also if it's enough to kill a starter motor it's enough to kill an alternator I'm fairly sure...so if I wanted to have a vehicle that can survive an emp of that size and still function 100% I would need to have an extra set of batteries, starter and alternator in a grounded faraday cage just in case. And just in case manual transmission and parked on a long steep hill with one of those ether systems you can use from the cab just to cover all bases. Start rolling give it a lil toot and pop the clutch for a guaranteed fire up as you never know it could be cold outside. But a problem I rarely see talked about is how quiet it will be with no vehicles no ac units ETCETERA going and then you firing up an old rowdy diesel. That's going to attract ALL of the attention and make you a target to everyone...from 90 pound female office worker to 230 pound ex marine toting a metal chunk accelerator that knows how to use it. I'm honestly thinking a bicycle with one of those small tow behind trailers would be a great option. Or maybe even better one of those 4 wheeled bicycles with a trailer. Cause let's be honest here...how useful is that truck going to be if everyone you come even close to wants it and is willing to do whatever it takes, to take it from you? And no one steal my idea here but I'm thinking about learning how to repair emp damaged starters alternator's and batteries will be worth much more than the single truck and make me worth much much more than the average person. Along with my many other skills. Thus keeping me alive, hydrated, fed and protected 🤫😉😁🤑 sorry for rambling so much. If you are still reading. I Hope You Are Having A Great Day And That You And Your Loved Ones Are Healthy And Safe During These Tough Days! But Don't Get Down! If We Stick Together And Help Each Other, We Will All Be Ok!
My truck got struck by lightning, I was in sleeper , 6nz, fried everything electrical but engine kept idling, cost 20k to fix, insurance paid for all repairs,,, no decidable on lighting strikes
Been watching a few of your videos. What does adept ape stand for? You say it so fast I always thought you were saying Josh with the update channel. Lol
I have a 1999 Blue Bird with a mechanical Cummins 8.3. From what I have read, they started making diesel engines electronic in the early 2000s, not the mid nineties.
The nt280b in my old Peterbilt would run with no electrical input. There is a knob on the side of the injection pump that you could turn to allow it to run. Of course you still had to have a battery and starter to spin it over. Or push it off a hill and pop the clutch but that would require air to release the brakes.
@@5.43v 60 PSI or more to release the spring brakes. Thought of one better, chock the wheels and cage the brakes with a caging bolt. Have somebody kick the chocks and off you go. Easier than bicycle pump although rolling w/o brakes would be nerve wracking but we are talking about The Postman situation here
If I have a suggestion for the “Destruction of the Week” how do I submit it to you ? We had a Cummins engine in a bus fail. An oil pressure sender snapped off at full load and successfully blew the engine apart.
Hi Josh, I own a 2005 diesel Chevy Duramax which probably won't survive an EMP. What are the chances of placing ferrites on various sections of the wire loom to at least give it a fighting chance ? JwgK
Even old gas engines that use points ignition will survive no problem! I'm guessing even some 70s and early 80s cars might survive as well if their distributors being not energized would survive!
Well, older equipment, trucks,and cars wouldn't necessarily be effected. But my question would be, how likely would electrictronic equipment be effected by an EMP pulse? I see it might be a problem on a war front or something of that nature. But I don't see it being a problem during every day life.
There is no significant risk, even in a targeted EMP attack, that vehicles would be immobilized. This was tested iirc in 2010 or so, they exposed a bunch of cars and trucks to the EMP force expected at ground zero of a nuclear device designed to maximize EMP output. A few of them stalled, most of them had flickering lights, not a single one had any permanent damage.
This is why people spend a fortune on a Dodge Cummins 12V. They are waiting for the EMP to kill computerized engines. They would need to be a manual, a Torqueflite automatic, or a 47RH overdrive automatic. The 47RH was replaced with a computerized automatic in 1996, so the 1996 or 1997 Dodge would need to be manual. EMP could damage small electronics. However, it is my understanding that things like relays and solenoids are not going to be damaged. Because of that, the engine could be started. I do think an alternator voltage regulator might be destroyed based on how it is built. 4:32 Some computerized diesels took the old mechanical injection pump, but used a computer and electrical actuators to determine fueling and advance. I don't think CAT did this. However, the 1998 to 2002 Dodge Cummins 24V did. They called their version the "Bosch VE pump." There are certainly many others diesels that used this method, however, the 1998 to 2002 Dodge Cummins 24V is the fist I can think of. However, I think some people manage to find "Bosch VP pumps" which fit in the same space, but were not computerized. The 1989-1993 Dodge Cummins 12V used that kind of pump. I think some guys who race a Dodge Cummins have been known to put the VP pump where the VE pump was. 6:02 You would probably also need a bunch of spare sensors. I'm thinking about how many time I have to replace the heated wire/film MAF in cars. 8:36 I have heard that when a diesel is that large, it pays to try to weld it back together. Republic Diesel has some interesting videos on what they can do to save engines of that size.
Make your truck into a faraday cage complete with homemade tin foil hat. Proceed to never be able to receive a phone call while within your truck! You could extend an antenna out but that would negate the cage.
Not with EFI. Even the original cummins 5.9 12 valve needs 1 12v wire to run. A proper EMP will fry ALL electrical & electrinic systems. SO, you wont be able to use the starter nor the electrical fuel valve. Maybe if you push started it & used a battery to direct wire to the fuel valve. !
Absolute great question. I've been wondering about that for some time. What about points, condensers and mags, how would they fair an EMP? Well I'm all good then cuz the squirrel I have running my computer lives in his favorite rotating cage. Ironically his name is Faraday. 🤣😂🤣. Buy stock in Kibble & Bits. 🤟😁🤟 I do have to tell you that I am recovering from surgery so take what I say with a grain of salt.
@@AdeptApe thanks bud, it was spinal surgery due to stenosis 😫But im doing real good now. I walked out and checked on the Ol' 8T today. First time in over two months I've even touched it, the wife bellowed from across the yard "What are you doing?" just as my hand touched the tire. 🥺
I watched a video of a 80's fuel injection car get driven through a EMP machine at some university and it just drove fine. AC Delco ECU's from the 80's/90's make Nokia 5110's blush just don't show the memcal the light.
isn't a car a Faraday cage??? and also not all electronics would fry, it depends on a lot of factors, component tolerances to voltage, relative conductor sizes to the emp wave strength (how munch energy it carry's), any chip that is under 180nm will fry, but a ton of stuff like single transistors, capacitors that can handle above 10 volts, resistors, chance's are, they'll work fine....
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EMPs are interesting things. A friend of mine had a neighbor that thought everyone in the neighborhood should listen to his music. My friend went down to his neighbors house and asked him to turn it down. The neighbor said "What are you going to do about it?" My friend said OK and left. My friend is a ham operator with a directional antenna. Sometime later the speakers the neighbor was using blew up. That's what happens when you point a ham antenna at a speaker, turn up the power and hit the transmit button. The neighbor never did figure out why his speakers kept blowing up. The moral of the story is that EMPs can be good things on occasion unless you're a jerk neighbor.
I hope he modulated it and spoke to him in a booming voice telling him to re-examine his priorities before he bumped up the power and blew the speakers up.!!!
@@franksprecisionguesswork501 I'm sure he did, he's just that kind of guy.
Unreal hilarious
better yet. in the darkness of night go to his house and take away his power meter. The house is "dead" and the power company has no sense of "that's funny". I Did this to a guy in Calif. the PGE group would not install another one until he posted a Bond. lol, lol, lol,
I want to be part of this thread
in the carrington event, the telegraph wires themselves, and associated equipment actually caught fire. Very well recorded event. 1859
My 1986 Mercedes 1116 would have been. Loved that truck. The way you shut it down was to push down on the fuel cut off. As long as it had fuel it would keep running.
my 12v cummins with a stick can be bump started, fuel solenoid can be replaced with a cable (on loss of charging system and drained batteries), computer would likely die but would only take out the cruise and alternator, nothing the engine needs to push the truck down the road, my deuce and a half is slightly less complex, but maybe its possible to loose the 1 wire gm alternator conversion if a diode or regulator popped, but it too can bump start
any old school mechanical diesel wouldn't notice a emp, but maybe a fuel solenoid or charging system is all the electricity they use
96 12V cummins with NV4500 5 speed I’m there with you mechanical pump fuel cell
My 73 International with a 2 stroke Detroit definitely is!
Even if your engine ran… all the infrastructure that delivers diesel fuel would be damaged by a large-scale EMP.
While this is true it's not like you can't open up where the fuel truck loads drop a hose down there and use a manual pump
Biodiesel my friend
The diesel engine is the best invention of all time. Heat, fuel and compression. An old 6.9 or 7.3 idi would keep running.
Good thing I have a 7.3 IDI with ZF5 trans so I reckon it’ll be my doomsday vehicle
Until the EPA (Environmental Piss Away) ruined them.
As far as i remember, 1994 is when the feds mandated electronic fuel pumps. 97 for anti lock front brakes, and 2000 for trailers, i got new ones of each those years. Computer controlled pumps were available in the eighties sometime. My 94 had cruise, electronic tach and speedo, and a low coolant shutdown, and of course injectors. Everything else, i think was 100% mechanical. Those trucks were extremely reliable, and the pinnacle of class 8 trucks. It has been downhill since.
I was driving a diesel powered switcher yard truck at the freight company I worked at when a lightning bolt struck close by. The fuel solenoid dropped out and it stopped me. This happened to me twice at that place in 4 years I worked there.
12 valve Cummins ftw!!!! With a standard!!!
Always watch where you park..a friend parked his rig next to a power pole..a power surge blew the transformer beside the truck...all electronic modules crapped out at once
Any damage? Did the vehicle start ?
@@jackspratt4343 ecm's fried...turned the truck into a big paperweight
@@DavidHarris-qn7em wow. That's amazing. Thanks David.
@@jackspratt4343 yw
I know that this is a interesting subject. Carbs, points distributer, mechanical injection, yatta yatta…. Unfortunately nothing runs without FUEL!!! Better have a stockpile of it for any of this to matter
My 12 Valve daily driver would be. EMP might take out the power windows and other things but being a stick shift I don't even need the battery or key to start it. My FSS is gutted so no issue there either.
Does it have a lift pump in the tank?
@@danw6014 factory they come with a cam driven piston pump, block mounted.
@@jeremymyers5643 right but I believe they had an electric lift pump in the tank.
@@danw6014 I'm talking about the lift pump. There's not a electric lift pump on the 12v. 24v yes.
@@danw6014 No. Stock 12 Valve is mechanical pump driven by the camshaft. I have a high volume low pressure pump but works the same at stock in the same location. Is just more fuel.
I bought a emp shield for my 2006 duramax diesel. It’s a surge protector for emp lightning strikes or Coronel mass ejections from the sun
Emp pulse causes the starter to turn and then starts the engine, every good compression old diesel in the area is running lol
During the First Gulf War Boots and Coots were dispatched to put out well fires in Kuwait. The large pumps they sent over were Detroit 810s built on a large tube frame. Compressed air was stored in the large frame for starting. Nitrogen could be used if the air was depleted for some reason. There was nothing electrical or electronic on the assembly. The tach and temp gauge were mechanical. A fuel truck was brought in and hooked up to the engine. These too were mechanical and not susceptible to EMP. These were used to pump water onto the well fires. They built several of these in Houston for shipment to Kuwait.
Would a 1984 Mercedes 300d diesel still start though? It's mechanical fuel infection but would I be able to start it. The scenario I'm concerned about is just to get home from work if an EMP struck during a work day?
I lived Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico and I was grateful to own a 7.3IDI. I see a lot of business with generator with new ECU engine problems could not find mechanic with laptops to diagnose them
Love your knowledge , you always keep it interesting, I’m a mechanic myself working in a caterpillar dealership in Australia 🇦🇺
Hello Neville, thanks for watching the videos.
Probably one of my most favorite videos you have ever done.
You know shit is getting wild in the world when the Cat guy is putting out EMP videos… God help us! 🤦🏻
Great video as always!!
Thank you Joe. Just thought it might be an interesting topic, but you never know what to expect.
Definitely not a minute too soon.
I'd like to think a 3406B with an Airstarter would survive one
It would stand a chance. Most mechanically injected engines would stand a chance too. People will argue electric starter will be damaged... but that is highly unlikely.
@@ShainAndrews Solid state starters would be fine.
The idi in my 87 ford still needs about 10v to turn the injection pump on
@@ShainAndrews roll start
@@mikeznel6048 Show me one...
Most vehicles' bodies themselves act as the faraday cage, and keep in mind that some ECUs have a metal casing themselves. One could justify that the sensors and wiring, yes, are the vulnerable ones, and then transmit the damage, but again, metal truck body.
And people have done plenty of tests, mainly with tesla coils, on vehicles to see if they would survive an EMP. A huge majority of them start right up.
The Tesla coil methodology is flawed due to the magnet field created is many orders of magnitude lower than a full EMP.
The equivalent would be saying “DC is safe because the 9v battery only tickles your tongue” but you’re working on a 300v EV pack.
@@jrobmccoy Voltage doesn't matter for safety, Current does. Static electricity shocks are usually around 100k Volts, and how many times in the Winter do you get shocked.
Any MAN diesel pre LE404 generation would survive. You’d just need a pneumatic or inertia starter everything else is mechanically controlled.
It would have to be a mechanical injected engine. The electronic injected engines are not EMP proof.
Car bodies aren't faraday cages unless you ground them really well.
Lightning strikes can arc through the tires to ground because of the insane voltage (it would have hit ground without the car anyway).
If this is a genuine concern make your parking structure a faraday cage and test it. Also you need to be prepared to grow and process your desired fuel plus the needed conversion components. Keep spare parts and lots of oil, trans fluid, etc.
An old school one without electronics would, of course!
Some solid state electronics may possibly survive an EMP. Typically Diodes and transistors as well as IC circuits are suspectable to frying with an EMP. Where our grand parents and great grandparents came out on top with tube/valve type electronics is they were practically indestructible by an EMP.
Thanks for your time I don’t really know much about the electronics of a engine but I know my 6nz has some and my ford 6.0 has so much it won’t do anything without the electronics working in sync thanks again
You would need a VERY powerful EMP to short out a engine management computer. Especially one that was not running therefore not outputting voltage. Also remember a vehicle itself is a faraday cage, that’s how they can survive lightning strikes and more or less still limp home. And let’s remember also modern coil pack based gasoline engines have a micro emp fired off under the hood every time a spark plug fires, that’s how you can hear the plugs firing on an unshielded stereo system. If your plug wires and stereo are unprotected you can actually get bleed through from the high voltage transformers which are the coils.
Considering the fact that the only way to make a significant EMP burst over a wide area is a high yield thermonuclear weapon, you’re going to have much bigger problems than your truck being broken.
We’re not discussing what caused it… We’re discussing the possibilities of protecting a vehicles sensitive electronic from an emp, not what caused it…
Or the sun
Foil wrap all wiring to modules ..ground the wrappings and put in an old school drag chain
Most vehicles are too small to be effected by EMP, EMP needs long cables and wires like transmission lines to generate significant voltage. All the cab-specific stuff would be fine on a tractor trailer, however anything sensitive to voltage that plugs into the trailer may be damaged.
emp? laughs in 12 valve cummins
Get a large enough Faraday cage around the electronics, then yes they are. An older mechanical injected diesel would be more so since it just has the alternator/generator and starter. You protect the electrical system, anything can be EMP proof.
Did you even listen to the video? That would not work unless the cage was around the entire truck
Think you’re greatly underestimating the power of Mother Nature.
@@C4soulja I posted it before the video started because of ads. I knew most of what was going to be talked about from the getgo.
Bro, its good to hear from you!!!!!
I had lightening hit a silo by my garage and not only was the fridge and freezer dead it took out a computer on my truck. Sadly if an emp was set off over the USA it would cause a major disaster.
What truck did you have and what computer did it fried ?
@@duramax2079 Yukon the bcm
Totally unrelated question, but I need some help. I have a 2000 year model C12 in a Frieghtliner. Truck runs pretty good as long as I eat into the throttle and keep the RPM under 1700 or as long as I don't suddenly go from full throttle to a completely closed throttle. Once either of these happen, get a severe solid miss as if the system has low fuel pressure or sucking air. It will recover if I ease off the throttle for a little while. Any idea where to start? Is this common on C12? Thanks!
If you're worried about EMPs just slap a carburetor and points on your gas engine.
I've heard of stories about tons of cars going black for a few seconds on highways in the middle of nowhere.
@LabRat Knatz You're right it isn't simple but it's still easier than trying to completely EMP proof a modern car that's basically a computer on wheels. It would also need a mechanical fuel pump, manual selector for the auto or a manual trans, all mechanical gauges, and the wiring harness greatly simplified. The BCM could remain, or for extra spice, replace it with a row of toggle switches.
@LabRat Knatz That Amazon charger is highly suspect. I don't order things off that website anymore and the only chargers and cables I buy is a name brand that I've heard of or used before.
cars and trucks are already somewhat EMP hardened by their metal exteriors. I wonder if you could fully EMP harden a car by adding a crap ton of EMI shielding to all the wiring and keeping the modules in metal enclosures.
You likely don't even need the faraday cage. The wiring acts like an antenna and helps ramp up the voltages that fry the computer. If the computer(s) are not connected then it is probable that they will survive
Simply having a spare not connected will likely be enough.
Having said that, many of your sensors that the computer is connected to will also fail due to EMP. Without a crank position sensor, a coolant temp sensor, or any of the other myriad sensors then it is also likely that your diesel will not meet the parameters for the computer to allow the engine to fire.
Only true mechanical engines will be "EMP Proof" , as you said. However, many will be OK with a simple battery disconnect and reconnect. . The Department of the Army did a study and found that, surprisingly, auto and heavy equipment engine computers are tough. It all depends on how far away, and even the direction that the vehicle is pointing, among other factors.
Huh, my 91.5 1st gen cummins already has the ecm deleted, who knew dodge's trash wiring would put me ahead of the game one day. Looks like I'm going to be the king when the world ends lmao
I don't even call common rail injectors "injectors" anymore. I just call them nozzles.
Fuel management system?
They're more like really fast solenoids.
Thanks for featuring my submission 😁 I’m sure I’ll have more for you. I have more pics of this failure if anyone is interested. Anyone curious about the financials - it’s a touch under $625,000 for the engine alone on a D model (no core value in this case with a windowed block). Factor in $75k for a new radiator, $75k for a torque converter, $50k for all other miscellaneous hydraulic pumps and another $100k for all the other miscellaneous parts/hoses that are needed. I can tell you that with copper prices being what they are, these numbers pale in comparison to the cost of downtime on this unit.
You are talking close to a million dollars, that is definitely the biggest repair bill. Big trucks=big bucks.
would love to see more. reminds me of rebuilding crashed turbines at power plants. I spent half a day picking up stator veins on a 7fa turbine, cant imagine how many millions they had to spend replacing shells and rotor.
Have you ever heard of EMP Shield? they have a lot of federal contracts and they’re able to be placed on vehicles RVs generators homes etc. currently they have a contract with the US military and we are supposed to install it on all defense vehicles
So basically we revert to 88' mack R- model pulling a tanker. ( I think I've seen this before). 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Wrong. Anything with a coil gets fried. That includes the generator coil that makes the power. Doesn't matter whether gas or diesel. If your whole gen is not in a faraday cage and unplugged, it's toast. Also, if you open the faraday while the different sttages of EMP are still surging it's toast. That can take over a day I think I heard.. and there can be multiple EMPS and you won't necessarily know when they will end.
I fell down this rabbit hole after the line on battlefield 4 campaign about the aircraft carrier diesel engine being unaffected by the EMP and something about "as long as the engine keeps running"
Engines and electronics in the bowel of a ship are protected as they are inside a Faraday cage.
Does it rely on electronics to function? If yes not emp proof. If no it is emp proof. If it is manual transmission and does not rely on any electronics you can coast it down a hill fire it up and roll in style during the apocalypse. Although I kind of wonder how strong of an EMP it would take to fry something like a starter that is designed to handle large spikes of high current but low voltage...I'm thinking that maybe the relatively low current high voltage induced AC might be able to blow through the enamel insulation and cause a short internally in the motor though... 🤔 Also if it's enough to kill a starter motor it's enough to kill an alternator I'm fairly sure...so if I wanted to have a vehicle that can survive an emp of that size and still function 100% I would need to have an extra set of batteries, starter and alternator in a grounded faraday cage just in case. And just in case manual transmission and parked on a long steep hill with one of those ether systems you can use from the cab just to cover all bases. Start rolling give it a lil toot and pop the clutch for a guaranteed fire up as you never know it could be cold outside. But a problem I rarely see talked about is how quiet it will be with no vehicles no ac units ETCETERA going and then you firing up an old rowdy diesel. That's going to attract ALL of the attention and make you a target to everyone...from 90 pound female office worker to 230 pound ex marine toting a metal chunk accelerator that knows how to use it. I'm honestly thinking a bicycle with one of those small tow behind trailers would be a great option. Or maybe even better one of those 4 wheeled bicycles with a trailer. Cause let's be honest here...how useful is that truck going to be if everyone you come even close to wants it and is willing to do whatever it takes, to take it from you? And no one steal my idea here but I'm thinking about learning how to repair emp damaged starters alternator's and batteries will be worth much more than the single truck and make me worth much much more than the average person. Along with my many other skills. Thus keeping me alive, hydrated, fed and protected 🤫😉😁🤑 sorry for rambling so much. If you are still reading. I Hope You Are Having A Great Day And That You And Your Loved Ones Are Healthy And Safe During These Tough Days! But Don't Get Down! If We Stick Together And Help Each Other, We Will All Be Ok!
So you need to get a chainmail blanket to cover your vehicle when you park it. LOL
Wonder how a magneto or breaker point distributor would hold up?
That topic should be a good comment generator. Let me get my aluminum foil and make a tin foil head. 😜😂😂
Faraday cage avoids the worst effects of EMPs
My truck got struck by lightning, I was in sleeper , 6nz, fried everything electrical but engine kept idling, cost 20k to fix, insurance paid for all repairs,,, no decidable on lighting strikes
How about going to West Fargo for a tour of Cat Reman drive train, It might be a cool bike ride for you?
Thanks Josh enjoyed that one👍
Nothing beats analog/mechanical bud.
Would a steel framed building that’s clad with metal sheets work as a faraday cage ?
Been watching a few of your videos. What does adept ape stand for? You say it so fast I always thought you were saying Josh with the update channel. Lol
I should really get an air starter for my 671 detroit lol
Nice algorithm find
I'll stick with my 6BT.
What about a 99 and an 03? If I had a spare ecm, would it still run?
I have a 1999 Blue Bird with a mechanical Cummins 8.3. From what I have read, they started making diesel engines electronic in the early 2000s, not the mid nineties.
Actually 1997
Allison electronic transmission?
Guess I gotta wire my whole garage with a Faraday cage if there's any validity to the idea of an emp attack
Where can I get one of those hats?
Couldn't you shield the ECM and then install breakers on the wires leading in?
Store your spare parts in a mine underground.
I actually keep some of my equipment underground in a mine.
i'm tempted to get a good old Pajero or Old Toyota..
The nt280b in my old Peterbilt would run with no electrical input. There is a knob on the side of the injection pump that you could turn to allow it to run. Of course you still had to have a battery and starter to spin it over. Or push it off a hill and pop the clutch but that would require air to release the brakes.
Use a bicycle pump to fill up an air tank. Slowly.
@@nspro931 that wouldn't be enough, look at garage 54
@@5.43v 60 PSI or more to release the spring brakes. Thought of one better, chock the wheels and cage the brakes with a caging bolt. Have somebody kick the chocks and off you go. Easier than bicycle pump although rolling w/o brakes would be nerve wracking but we are talking about The Postman situation here
What about a stick shift, could it still be started
What if you put a defcon emp protector on you truck?
If I have a suggestion for the “Destruction of the Week” how do I submit it to you ?
We had a Cummins engine in a bus fail. An oil pressure sender snapped off at full load and successfully blew the engine apart.
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More proof how great the 3406 mechanical injector engine. The last diesel to survivwe
Don't worry about the engine. The electronics that control everything else are not EMP proof.
Hi Josh, I own a 2005 diesel Chevy Duramax which probably won't survive an EMP. What are the chances of placing ferrites on various sections of the wire loom to at least give it a fighting chance ? JwgK
Something often neglected is the automatic transfer. Because of the lack of vacuum they are often computer controlled.
Can you tig welding with the ecm.
Even old gas engines that use points ignition will survive no problem! I'm guessing even some 70s and early 80s cars might survive as well if their distributors being not energized would survive!
Well, older equipment, trucks,and cars wouldn't necessarily be effected. But my question would be, how likely would electrictronic equipment be effected by an EMP pulse? I see it might be a problem on a war front or something of that nature. But I don't see it being a problem during every day life.
There is no significant risk, even in a targeted EMP attack, that vehicles would be immobilized. This was tested iirc in 2010 or so, they exposed a bunch of cars and trucks to the EMP force expected at ground zero of a nuclear device designed to maximize EMP output. A few of them stalled, most of them had flickering lights, not a single one had any permanent damage.
Wouldn’t battery’s get fried like how would you start it even if it was mechanical
This is why people spend a fortune on a Dodge Cummins 12V. They are waiting for the EMP to kill computerized engines. They would need to be a manual, a Torqueflite automatic, or a 47RH overdrive automatic. The 47RH was replaced with a computerized automatic in 1996, so the 1996 or 1997 Dodge would need to be manual.
EMP could damage small electronics. However, it is my understanding that things like relays and solenoids are not going to be damaged. Because of that, the engine could be started. I do think an alternator voltage regulator might be destroyed based on how it is built.
4:32 Some computerized diesels took the old mechanical injection pump, but used a computer and electrical actuators to determine fueling and advance. I don't think CAT did this. However, the 1998 to 2002 Dodge Cummins 24V did. They called their version the "Bosch VE pump." There are certainly many others diesels that used this method, however, the 1998 to 2002 Dodge Cummins 24V is the fist I can think of. However, I think some people manage to find "Bosch VP pumps" which fit in the same space, but were not computerized. The 1989-1993 Dodge Cummins 12V used that kind of pump. I think some guys who race a Dodge Cummins have been known to put the VP pump where the VE pump was.
6:02 You would probably also need a bunch of spare sensors. I'm thinking about how many time I have to replace the heated wire/film MAF in cars.
8:36 I have heard that when a diesel is that large, it pays to try to weld it back together. Republic Diesel has some interesting videos on what they can do to save engines of that size.
Ecm, injector driver module on a 7.3 heui system and the transmission computer on a 97 f250hd
That's why my truck has points and a carb emp proof
🤣i love your videos i own a 93 kenworth k100e with a 3406c with a b pump CAT guy
So what your saying is... Buy a mountain bike 🚲 and have it ready to go 😂
In the event of an EMP there will be bigger problems than this
Make your truck into a faraday cage complete with homemade tin foil hat. Proceed to never be able to receive a phone call while within your truck! You could extend an antenna out but that would negate the cage.
Not with EFI. Even the original cummins 5.9 12 valve needs 1 12v wire to
run. A proper EMP will fry ALL electrical & electrinic systems. SO, you
wont be able to use the starter nor the electrical fuel valve. Maybe if you
push started it & used a battery to direct wire to the fuel valve.
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Yes..
Absolute great question. I've been wondering about that for some time.
What about points, condensers and mags, how would they fair an EMP?
Well I'm all good then cuz the squirrel I have running my computer lives in his favorite rotating cage. Ironically his name is Faraday. 🤣😂🤣. Buy stock in Kibble & Bits.
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I do have to tell you that I am recovering from surgery so take what I say with a grain of salt.
Not sure what surgery you had Dan, but as a long time subscriber I wish you the best.
@@AdeptApe thanks bud,
it was spinal surgery due to stenosis 😫But im doing real good now. I walked out and checked on the Ol' 8T today. First time in over two months I've even touched it, the wife bellowed from across the yard "What are you doing?" just as my hand touched the tire.
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older rack driven diesels are nemp proofed.
Put a emp shield on the truck
I watched a video of a 80's fuel injection car get driven through a EMP machine at some university and it just drove fine. AC Delco ECU's from the 80's/90's make Nokia 5110's blush just don't show the memcal the light.
If it mechanical controlled then yes it be fine. W/o even watching the video in completely
What if the engine needs work and didn't have any 💻 in it until after the EMP was done 🤷🤷
isn't a car a Faraday cage???
and also not all electronics would fry, it depends on a lot of factors, component tolerances to voltage, relative conductor sizes to the emp wave strength (how munch energy it carry's), any chip that is under 180nm will fry, but a ton of stuff like single transistors, capacitors that can handle above 10 volts, resistors, chance's are, they'll work fine....
I‘ll stick to a Ford 8N tractor .
Thats a lot of money down the drain with that haul truck.
Just buy an M35a2 Multifuel.
Imagine cutting a check to replace that 3516.
This video is going to shake a lot of the nuts out of the conspiracy tree. Hope you are prepared for that.
And it’s going to fry their roots too, so no more family reunions for them!