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I worked at International's Melrose Park Works for years where the DT466 engine was produced. It was rare for one to fail the final RPM testing. I over saw many aspects of it's manufacture and can assure anyone that it was originally as bullet proof as they came. Original Crankshafts were forged, hardened, then straightened before grinding. I knew the straightening operators well and asked one to push the bending operation to the limit just to see if the crank could be broken, he did, and no dice. That crank would not break even when bent to a ridiculous angle over and over again! Talk about tough. Towards the end of production they switched to a casting. It was easy to break one even if the operator didn't try. The EPA basically killed the DT466. To keep costs down International had to look for cheaper alternatives in many components. The fuel injection system became a nightmare. It was called "The Legend" during it's heyday. I had my picture taken with the last DT466 Block machined on 5-13-1993! I loved your presentation. Thanks.
Sometimes I get to drive a little 1982 International 5 yd dumptruck for work with the DT466. It's only 180 horse, but it's got boatloads of torque and is geared perfectly with a 5 spd transmission and a 2 speed rear end. What a great little truck and fun to drive.
This is a US available list pretty much. Missed the Nissan TD27, TD 42, Toyota 1HZ, Mercs OM606, Isuzu 4JJ1 and so many more 4 and 6 cyl diesel that are very reliable
Well ya know. Since it’s a US channel and a US based platform. You’re more than welcome to make one though and put it on this US based platform though.
I am glad you started with the International DT466. I am a fleet mechanic for a public utility, the majority of our manlifts and digger trucks are powered by the DT and have been for many years. Most are low mileage but have a lot of hours since they merely drive to a jobsite and idle all day to drive the PTO. Everything you said is true, the base engine is the best, hands down. One Navistar was forced to add EGR cooling and aftertreatment systems it ruined the DT. Especially here in the California desert where it gets to 115F for weeks at a time. And since our trucks idle all day, the aftertreatment systems never get a chance to burn off. It pisses me off when a cherry mechanic fresh out of trade school hires on and complains about what a POS the DT is. Every problem we have with the engine is caused by the EGR cooling or aftertreatment. The newbies can't seem to understand that.
Young tech's that came along after electronics and egr emissions.saw completely different engines that what they once were.hurry up and throw all this stuff on them and then let the customer and company pay to make it work,on some it didnt.thanks EPA.we need to clean up environment but give company's time to get this stuff ironed out and working.
Since you were speaking of Inline-6, light duty diesels, and mechanical injection; when I put all three of those things together I get the Mercedes OM606
Seriously, the 606 is amazing in its output and reliability. I currently have a 606, 602, 1.9 and 2.0 TDI, and all should make the list for passenger vehicle diesel heroes.
- Pretty much all VW PD diesels - BMW M57 engine series - Mercedes OM606 - Scania DC16 just for the sheer power and torque it makes - fiat 1.9jtd - mercedes 2.1 diesel - not a road car but deserves an honerable mention: peugeot 908. 5.5L TT v12 diesel with 730hp and 890ft lbs of torque in a 900kg car...
Best two light duty diesels are probably the 7.3 powerstroke and the 12 valve Cummins. Although, Personally I prefer the 12 valves because mechanical simplicity. Medium duty, the CAT 3126’s are very good, and the DT-466P’s are outstanding. The 3406B CAT’s are great, the Gen 3 855 big cams are phenomenal, and the 2 stroke Detroit’s are very good and the roar of them makes them perhaps the best sounding engine ever…that’s what I like to tell the 6.0 and the 6.4 powerstroke guys when they’re like ‘yeah, they’re unreliable and plagued with emissions and poorly designed…but they sound the best!’ And I say ‘ever heard a 2 stroke Detroit?’ Then they go cry themselves to sleep cause I just took away the only thing they had going for them.
I love Detroit’s, but nobody will ever get to hear them, so my 6.0 will be what they hear, lol. A well-sorted daily 6.0 is more powerful, more responsive, faster, pulls harder, more efficient than a 7.3 or 5.9 and dang nearly just as reliable - which is reliable enough for me. So no, I’m not crying at night.
The two strokes where known as screaming memmies and you could hear them coming a mile away. They also had a very bad history of "running away" and gernading before you could get them shut down using the oh Jesus handle. I had two blow up both 318 Detroits.
Class 8........Caterpillar 3406B, C, E, C15 ( 6NZ ), Detroit Diesel 53, 71, 92 Series, Series 60; Cummins B Series, Cummins 855ci based engines ( Small Cam, Big Cam, N14 )
@@sae4071 the 8V92TA stole my heart and got me into trucking. It was in the early 80s, and in a doublewide KW K100 with an Allison auto...beautiful truck.
@@hoost3056 sounds amazing I was never around for those but my dad has a c15 in an 05 pete black and chrome. Just hit 2 million miles not too long ago and wow to this the start ups are gorgeous
@@sae4071 Ive had Cummins products primarily ( 5.9 in a Dodge, a Big Cam 400hp, and two N14s ), a Volvo VED12 non emission, a B model Cat and a couple of 7.3 Powerstrokes. The 6.7 Powerstroke pulled my loaded goose neck like it wasn't there, it was an '18 model in a F350 dually. Least favorite by far is the Cummins ISX.
@@hoost3056 yea I love a 7.3 but the 6.7 is a monster that can be tuned beyond belief I love cummins but was never around one usually 60series detroits and c15s
The Rock Quarry I used to work at had an entire fleet of quarry trucks with the Cat C27 engines in them. A few of them had over 25,000 hours on the original engine. I realize that’s probably quite a bit larger than anything on your list but I still think it’s an awesome engine.
@@allthingsgoodcomefromhim965a lot of the ones we have at my job have over 42,000 hours. Longest running currently is a Kobata v330 with a bit over 48,000
The DT466 was originally a farm tractor engine that was repurposed as a truck engine. The one good diesel that International made. Pretty much bulletproof.
The one good one? Ive never heard such naivety before, at worst they had 2-3 that were just bad, like the 9.0L, with even the vt365 having some redeeming qualities. They have several well known and loved diesels like the dt360 and t444e.
They made many good diesel engines the dt wasxobectthat got most pub they also made most of fords light truck diesels including the 7.3. I still have my 1967 one ton international truck C1300 diesel it’s been rebuilt to point of 425 hp and 1175 trq it’s pay load is 17875. No truck today touches it for hauling and pulling power. Imagine truck is not duals either but one heavy duty beast named ghost. Thier are more international diesel engines out there than you realise every school bus several heavy duty trucks you see there is a good chance international power is behind it. Duramax is an Isuzu ford a international but in end Cummins owns 90% of light truck mkt they control seats on board at cat after being bought by cat is anyone’s guess look at Mercedes vw Scandinavian all have connection to Cummins in some form, before international made engines for ford Cummins did they simply out sourced thier diesel operations Favorite greenness I6 300 if they could have converted that petrol engine into a diesel they may have had their own in house winner. That’s the best engine ford ever produced. 302 is fords most underated engine we are talking durability and longevity not power. Gm Detroit diesel was one of my favorite marine applications like the DT DD suffered similar fate as epa did both engines in with thier new rules and regulations.
There should be a documentary series on Detroit 2 stroke diesels. With hundreds more parts in them compared to typical inline 6 4 stroke and still be reliable, a marvel of engineering . They must have been fitted to more machines than nearly any other engine series or manufacturer in history.
what parts are those? apart from the blower i can't think of anything that contains "hundreds more parts" that are not present in every other diesel engine. the 6-71 is an incredibly straight forward engine.
They had many great V series engines. Some were multiple engine blocks put together with multiple blowers and turbos. Unit injectors, governors with mechanical linkages to tie everything together. 4 valve heads, 4 accessory drive locations, including the back of the engine. I think to do all of that, be the first to do it with decades of success means something.
But it’s as reliable as the day is long, that’s the beauty of it. You can’t say that about many modern diesels. I believe that trumps the powerband or how loud it is.
@@onetireonfire2777 We ran 6-71 gensets for years in a lot of our tugs, they were loud used oil like it was free but we're reliable as an anvil. By comparison, they were replaced with electronic John Deere 6068 gens; nice engines, good on fuel, but oh boy, lose a sensor and she might shut down on you! No bueno!
The Detroit 6-71, aka "The Screaming Jimmy". I think that engine should have its own video. Not because it was a 2 Stroke, but because it was put in everything! Peterbilt Kenworth Brockway Autocar White Diamond T International Mack GMC Chevrolet Ford Dodge Allis Chalmers Dozers Fiat Dozers Insley Excavators Chamberlain Tractors John Deere Tractors Water Pumps Generators Terex Loaders and Bulldozer The list goes on! While not Detroit's most powerful, and packaging was not the best...but it was their most versatile, used, loved and recognized engine in the industry.
Oliver Tractors, M4A2 Sherman Tank, M10 Tank Destroyer, Higgins LCVP, LST, & LCI landing craft, Valentine Mk IV-IX Tank, thousands of buses and thousands of trawlers and yachts
Basically learned how drive standard in a 2005 International 7300 dump truck with a DT466 the other day at my trade school. Definitely a nice engine from what I have experienced.
great video! I sure did like how you mentioned the 1.9 TDI from VW. had one for a long time and super reliable. Also to add was the Mercedes that was put in the 07-09 jeep Grand Cherokee.
How bout those Air Deutz engines. I've seen those work in underground hardrock mining operations where the ambient rock temp was probably 120-130*F and those things were tough. The Detroit diesel and Mercedes engines were around but the Air Deutz ran hotter and seemed to tolerate those awful conditions better. I'm also thinking that having the independent removable cylinders is also a plus
I worked on Detroit Diesel engines for many years and I agree that the 60 was a great engine. And with the Silver 92 Detroit got the 2 stroke diesel where it needed to be, having seen Silver 92 8v-500 engines hold up very well. Too bad the EPA killed them all.
@@daltonbrink9924 I'm not that familiar with those engines to have a proper opinion on them hence why none of them are in my top 3. Hard to judge something you don't know much about.
Those are good for pickups/medium duty, but if you compare them to a Detroit S60, Cummins N14 or the legendary 3406/C15 Kittens, they all sound like boat anchors. I had a cat 6NZ and a cummins N14 passing 2 million miles without rebuilt. And those are pulling hard. Not a 5000 lbs camper twice per summer.
I will, can and always have trusted my life to Cat 3406 mechanical engines. the hardest thing you will do with the is start them, once they are running they are bullet proof and i have personally have had them pull a load into the yard with a connecting rod sticking out the side of the block. The international dt466 in a small vocational truck is a close second
I know this is way out of your subject here, but I own a '11 BMW 335d with M57 3.0L I6 biturbo engine with 425 ft-lb torque @1,750 rpm and 265 hp. That powerplant in a little 4dr compact sedan is an insane combination stock. Apparently, it's super responsive to quick, cheap chip tuning, too.
the 1.9L ALH is in the 1999-2003 Volkswagen Golfs and Jetta's, with the 1.9L BEW only coming in the 2004 model of the car. the ALH and BEW are practically the same engine, with differences in electronics. the 1kz was a engine use in Toyota trucks and SUV's from 1995 to 2003.@@madebydade305ify
The DT466 was still a great engine with electronics as the DT466e. It was when it became the Maxxforce and had emissions equipment that it was ruined. I read somewhere that it was them manufactured at a different location, had different metallurgy, and had more valves.
We had a 98 Navistar jet fuel truck (can’t remember the model) w/DT466E at a previous job, over 60K hours on it when I left 4 years ago and the only time the engine had been opened up was to replace cam & lifters after a lifter retainer broke and the roller lifter turned in its bore. The biggest problem with the electronics was the pins & sockets in the ECM & plugs. Any time it started acting up we’d spend half a day replacing pins in the plugs and it’d be OK for another year or 2.
Not a bad list. I’ve run and worked on everything on the list, our JD 466s will be running for years. The 619 is best sitting on the iron pile with a Cummins repower in its place.
American viewer here. I drive a 1.9 BEW VW daily. I’ve had (4) 1.9’s all of them have been amazing. My trucks are 2004.5 5.9 Cummins and and 02’ LB7 and my 54 Dodge truck has an OM606 Mercedes. All of them are fantastic motors. For reliability the VW and the Duramax wins, For high RPM and performance the Mercedes wins and for high Torque the Cummins wins.
Hey! Never seen your channel before but this caught my eye in my fyp, and on your regards of the internation DT466 I can say whole heartedly that they're my favorite in this list, I've never seen a diesel engine that's so easy to make so much power without any worry of it breaking, at it took for me and my uncle to tune up an international loadstar he had was some new injectors and governor removal, wild engines indeed
I have a 5.9 ISB in my 2003 Ram 2500 and it's very good. I've also had a 2000 Beetle TDI with the 1.9ALH that required "spririted driving" to keep the VGT vanes clear of soot. I get 19mpg city 27hwy in the RAM and i got 34mpg city/ 50hwy in the Beetle.
I agree 100% the E9 is a awesome V8 Turbo diesel and the fact it shares so much with the Scania V8 Turbo diesel makes it that much cooler plus the sounds these things make are just non other and in my opinion sound way better than any inline Turbo diesel just my biased opinion😅.
@@danteerskine7678 Most of truck engines are 6 cyl. in line but Scania is still holding on with V8 diesel. It`s a low rpm engines and have a unique oil cleaning system (centrifugal). A shame VW got them...... and MAN and and
The OM617 is underrated but everyone wants to flex a OM606. But I like the supercharged 2 stroke Detroit in a ol K whopper or the 2L series in the hilux
The 3406 was probably the most innovative but the 6NZ was their best beast. The pre-DPF ISX I had was phenomenal. But I always wanted one of those Scanias with the V8
You missed som great smaller diesel engines, for example Mercedes. 6 cylinder OM603 and OM606. 5 cylinder OM617, OM602, OM662 and OM605. These engines are legendary for their reliability, durability, multi fuel capability and tuning ability.
@@bobbbobb4663 Sure, I'm not a fan of 4 cylinder engines. But the 616, 601 and 604 are of course built to the same standards as the 5 and 6 cylinder counterparts.
OM613 best inline 6 for any passenger car. Amazing mechanical capability and economic. Still a common rail but with low pressure compared to today’s standard and oversized hpfp. Not emission system and oversized exhaust. They do not break
I’m shocked you didn’t mention the GM 2 stroke diesels for a small high speed engine the 6-71N is just about impossible to beat. And for a larger medium speed the 567, 645, and 710 EMDs are just about the best diesels ever built. Worked on a 16-645 that had more then 200,000 hours on her and had never been rebuilt to the best of my knowledge! Don’t get me wrong it had its power assemblies changed numerous times along with rod and main bearings, but the crank had never been out and no machine work had ever been done. Power assemblies and bearings are maintenance not an overhaul.
Idk if you meant hrs, miles, or kilometers. 200k hours is like 20+ years dude. Not saying your wrong but idk any engine ever that can run longer than I've been alive without rebuild
I've been doing some research on Alis-Chalmers engines. I ran a 301 as a teen and I was impressed with the smoothness, quietness and fuel economy. Very hard to find a lot of info on them ie Wikipedia.
I’ve put a ton of miles on diesels over the years. VW 1.5L, 1.9L ALH TDI, 2.0 TDi CR (currently own) … Ram 5.9L 12vCummins , 6.7 Cummins (currently own)….. Mercedes Benz 0M605, OM616(916), and 617(912 X2). Although I don’t have any real complaints about any of the diesels I’ve owned, none have compared to the Mercedes OM615 and OM617 engines. I had over 700k miles on a OM615 240D with nothing but periodic maintenance. Compression was dropping for sure in its final year (it was consuming about a quart of oil every 300 miles and was hard to start in cold temps ), but it was still doing the job. Like all MB diesels of that era, they were overbuilt and underpowered ….. the perfect recipe for longevity.
466E was not ruined by electronics, they both use the HUEI system and cat and international developed it. The 466E was ruined by the emission like with the CATS
Great list, for sure this is a large engine list. For small engines the isuzu Diesel engines should be there. The 4jj1 is an impressive little engine. The 4hk1 and 6hk1 are mid size engines. Also extremely reliable.
I run a dt 466, 3406 and an n14 Cummins all three are work horses but I think the N14 is the better of the three and I’m very surprised it didn’t make the list
I think you made a pretty good list. Glad you put the 60 Series Detroit on there. I'm not a Detroit fan, but even i admit that engine was very influential.
A lot of people mention the Mercedes OM606... I would still add it, but not for the power potential or reliability of the turbo version, but for the naturally aspirated version. The OM606 NA is still the most powerful naturally aspirated diesel ever produced (specific output, 44.8 HP/Liter)
The Power from my built 5.9L (2002 Storm Block) Cummins is amazing! The Torque is very impressive! Now to transition, the 2003 Beetle we built is so much fun. A 1.9 L ALH, TDI with a Borg-Warner Turbo, 11 mm Bosch Injection Pump, Bosul Injectors and a Kerna Tune. Last summer returning hon home from the northeastern tip of Wisconsin, I drove 650 miles to a Costco near our home. 13.9 gallons of diesel! 46.7 mpgs!
Im a big fan of throwing CAT 3126 engines in pickups. You cant do much to increase the power. But you can find them very cheap and very reliable. Alot of CAT mechanics i talk to say its their favorite engine.
Here’s a few I think are the most reliable: CAT 3126 7.2l i6, Dt466e 7.6l I6 pre DPF, Maxxforce DT, T444e/7.3 powerstroke v8, 2005 6.6l Duramax v8, Cummins 12/24 valve 5.9l i6 and Cummins 6.7l in-line 6.
I can do this in a few words. Diesel engines are economical, use very little fuel compared to others. Power to work beats all. Use to be very few moving parts, little to no electricity. Diesel is easy to make. They can run on kerosene also.
Ever? That’s a hard decision. I had good seat time behind the following. LBZ, LMM duramax. 12v and common rail 5.9 Cummins. Can say enough good about these. I’m sure there are others just as good.
I am only echoing what has been said by many before me and that is the mercedes diesel engine lineup pre 1995ish. I've had several and they are phenomenal engines. My dad and grandfather built a mercedes custom repair shop around these engines because of their reliability and longevity. I still drive daily.
When you look at small capacity diesels the Fiat 16 valve 1.3 JTD has to be in there. It’s an amazing layer construction and very strongly built. It’s weak point is the cam chain. BUT the valves rockers are sacrificial so easily replaced along with new cam chain.
Heres some engines from europe that really should be on the list. The Mercedes OM606 3l i6 Volvo D5 2.4l i5 Toyota D4D and the 2.4l NA diesel. and the legendary Scania 14l V8
DT 466 is the most reliable/abused engines I've ever seen in my life. We had spreader trucks that spent their entire lives with the pedal stomped to the floor in 2nd gear, ALL DAY EVERY DAY, TACHED OUT running in soft dirt, dust, heat and done it with no failures or mechanical issues- for 28 years. NO other engine held up that long.
I have a 1996 Nissan Navara with a 4 cylinder 2.7 Litre turbo diesel. It's done over 260,000kms and still runs great. Doesn't use any fluids. Sure not the most powerful engine. But it's reliable and strong. And also pretty good on fuel. I imagine once I get around to cleaning the intake manifold which I expect to be heavily caked with crap that it'll have a fair bit more grunt. On the to do list!
The best is Cat 3208, detroit 6v-53 used in m-113 Army apc'. DT466 ihc. 12v71 , detroit 60, 7.3 idi, continaiontal air cooled 750 horse general electric diesel used in m-48 army tanks.
I was so happy when you mentioned the Mack E7 in your honourable mentions. I have worked on many different engines, but the E7 has proven to be one of the most indestructible engines. Not much power, but they run forever. I have worked in a fleet with Mack garbage trucks with over a million city miles and still start and run flawlessly.
I cut my teeth for heavy hauling on a ch model mack with an Bosch injected E7 with a 9 spd maxitorque. That truck was abused to now end and took it all in stride
E7s and EM7s with the P pump are as good as an engine gets imo. We have an RD with an EM7-300 with 30k hours on it and even in the winter it cranks right to life. The only engine I have around that starts better is an ancient 6bt in a Komatsu Dresser loader. That thing fires after not even 2 full rotations no matter what temp. 😅
GOOD GOD...! What a glorious sound.....and to think, I was considering a battery powered Tesla truck. Thanks for pointing me back in the right direction.
The 6.5L Detroit (pre Duramax diesel) is the Gold metal engine for Fuel economy... my 3500 got 28mpg... and could be upgraded for more power relatively cheap.... and several of the common power upgrades also gave you more fuel economy as well... the best I have herd of is the 6.5L getting 37mpg
@@Kallaus_built 6.5L were in all the military HUMVEEs, alot of motor boats, and the pre 2000 Chevy pick up trucks... 6.5 diesels got a bad reputation in the trucks because Chevy installed them wrong... there is are 2 great videos on the 6.5L by a UA-camr by the name of "Yankee Preper" If your thinking of getting one look his videos up
As I've been working on diesel generators since I was 10 years old... I will choose the best of best with respect to power: 1- "from zero to 50 kw its John deer. 2-from 80 to 150, its duetz and cummins 3-from 150 to 400 kw its volvo 4-from 400 up to 2500 kw its great mtu
On the 24v isb 5.9's its also worth noting that among the changes in fuel was the common rail 24v5.9s that came out in 03 and continued until 06, which, as far as im concerned, are some of the coolest 5.9's.
Great vid... covered a LOT of ground. You mentioned the VW TDI. I had an Audi A3 rental car once in Germany that did about 225 Km/H (~135 mph) on the Autobahn turning a bit over 4000 rpm... amazing. Another light diesel I would nominate: BMW's first two stage (sequential) 3.0 L inling 6 that was rated at 270 to 300 HP depending on year and market. The one I drove was in a 2007 German spec 5-series sedan weighing in around 4000 lb. Redline was 5000 rpm and it could do 0-60 in 6 seconds flat. Too bad that emission regs made those diesels un-attractive economically for the US market after ~2011.
The greatest features of the Cummins 5.9 was its simplicity, built of far fewer parts than most competitors. Cheap, very reliable and economical while being reasonably quiet and smooth. A great farm tractor and excavator engine. The Ford/New Holland 7.5 litre Powerstar tractor engine is a close second. However the CNH/Iveco NEF engine family with the closely related current Cummins 6.7 litre beats them all.
There should be a diesel engine fandom. Wish you can make videos on German and Japanese diesel engines, for example the Mercedes Benz OM606 which some call the Diesel 2JZ and it's gas counterpart, the M104, the German 2JZ.
1.9 TDI: best European diesel engine ever created and as an European person I'm offended it's not on this list. - can be tuned for stupid amounts of power -affordable -reliable -parts everywhere -your grandparents probably have car with it in it -has a cult like following -Jeeeedna devět tee dee iiii
Cat 3406e went up to 550hp. Then the c-15 was available up to 600hp. Then the c15 acert was up to 625hp. (They have the strongest block) if you want a deep dive into cat engines let me know. I've built a bit of them and tune them. Mines set up for running everyday at 900hp.
I'm not a mechanic, but been driving for 25 years and was thinking, that the 3406 goes way up from 450hp😁 but other than that was very nice informative video🙂
why Mercedes 616/617 engines arent here blows my mind on how little people dont know that mercedes was the tesla of diesels back then. i daily drive a 240D from 1982 and has no black smoke or doesn't hard start at all.. all cast iron engine, easy to maintain, and good value for the money..
1kzte is ultra reliable turbocharged I4 not super powerful but it was used a bunch in Eurasia in Toyota mini trucks/vans. There’s builds with innercoolers that push decent power though. It also can get like 32mgp.
We just installed a Cat 3406E into our Glider Peterbilt 389 due to its hardcore reliability, efficiency, and pulling power. It pretty much checks all the boxes.
@@sstevocamaro it’s the 650 PDI tune but it dyno at 570 hp at 1700 revs constant. So the torque is around 2100 ft/lbs at the wheels. We gross 129,000 doubles and it pulls far better than our 605 2050 x15 Cummins trucks.
Yep, the 3406 Cat and the series 60 Detroit are definitely two of the absolute best. An honorable mention I'd like to see is the Detroit 8V92. Purred like a kitten, and just got down to work when you stepped on the loud pedal. Plus, a straightforward rebuild to keep the truck going another million miles
Maybe out of the scope of these type videos, but two series of prime movers that belong on the best diesels of all time are the EMD 645 and 710 prime movers, and the General Electric FDL16 prime movers, both types being found in both railroad locomotive and marine applications. Two completely different designs, the EMD's being 2-stroke and the GE's being 4-stroke, but both designs being long-lived engines.
2.0 (emissions scandal) TDI. It was the last non urea diesel offered in a small sedan. Of significant note, it was made more special given the availability of a 6-speed manual. This was also the final Jetta with independent rear suspension before VW changed to torsion beam. I’ll say it was a lively car that was a grip to drive through the alps. I could lug into an uphill switch back @ 1,100 rpm and it would throttle through with gusto, a real sweet car due to that luscious torque.
I'll vote for the 7.3 International/Navistar diesel. I had a naturally aspirated version in a 1992 Ford F350 many years ago. The motor would routinely get 16L/100km or 15 mpg in the city and was ultra reliable. Too bad the rest of the truck fell apart around it.
The 6bt engines were used in isuzu trucks that have 20 feet flat trays ,these trucks have been carrying sugarcane from the 90s, which always turns out to be above GVM just because here in fiji no one cares,that means usually about 15 to 20 tons or 30 to 40 thousand pounds of sugarcane plus rough roads and despite their age, they still are the best of the best. isuzu also makes small engine such as a 4jj's, and if anyone wants to know about these engines then just see videos of CB MEDIA on youtube, u will definitely be surprised
The T444E is my 2004 IH CE200 bus would and did outrun every bus we had in our fleet. That includes the 2021 6.7 Cummins CE200, MaxForce DT 466 CE200 and even our E450 7.3 PowerStroke Conversion Bus. It would out speed(no goverernors) and out accelerate everyone of them. All busses were 72 PAX busses save the E450. I miss that 04. One of the biggest differences I have ever found in all of these busses is that the old engines had very fast and crisp throttle response whereas these new engines are slow to respond. As an aside, we actually had an older CAT powered bus. But it was unreliable, body wise, to be used on route.
7.3 is loved by my people who haven’t owned a 6.7 i have both its not even close the RPM and power you can make can upgrade OEM steal pistons and the 6R140 or 10R140 are another big factor
I would agree as far as power output and general reliability. As of right now we have a stock until 7.3 that’s rolling 700k. Fully stock that still runs very well with decent power. Sure they don’t make a lot of power or RPMs but they do very well if you use them for their intended purpose. I’m surprised that the 12v or 6.7 Cummings wasn’t added in.
As far as pickups go I think the 6.7 power stroke is one of the best, ford kicked navistar out and made a great product that they have so much faith in its even going into the midsize 650-750 Mid size trucks I have to take the 3126 just for pure reliability and sound also the 8.3 isc is a fantastic Cummins that’s comes in almost every single mid size truck and pusher in America. Finally the twin turbo C15 is fantastic as far as heavy’s go. Also the Volvo D6J is one of the most reliable diesels I’ve ever seen in all my years of working on diesels. Not popular cause it’s in just heavy equipment but a pretty impressive lil engine.
@@rock-uu7qr I have 177k on my personal 2017 f250 and 105k on my work f550 that hauls a 20,000 lbs bed around. No major faults for either of them. For me that’s enough to really like what fords done
I owned a '79 VW 1.5 l diesel. Best car I have owned. Car lasted just over 400,000 miles before rust sent the car to the junk yard. Only normal maintenance was performed including replacing the glow plugs a couple of times. Living in Minnesota the car always started, I made sure that I purchased fuel from a high-volume station, I knew I had winter blend fuel not fuel that had been in the tank for months. Subzero glow the engine twice and it always started. Granted the car was slow as turtle.
The in-line 6 is popular for packaging and simplicity. That’s why I bought a Cummins. I don’t feel that it makes crazy power compared to the duramax especially since they make similar torque at low rpm’s
The only thing i know about the 3406 Cat is from the Movie Black Dog (Patrick swayze movie) where when he got the truck the one they gave him was too flashy and had an unreliable engine, he specifically asked for a 3406 to do the job he was hired for
I am still driving 14L EGR Detroit 60, with over 1.5 million miles on the engine. The engine itself was never opened. Original head gasket. Original injectors. Loosing one gallon of oil every 15000 miles. This is when I change the oil, and filters. At 1.4 million miles, I had to replace the exost manifold. It was cracked big time in the middle.
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Hey can you please do a video on the 2jz fse ive never heard of this version before and i would like to know more about it
1.9 ahu vw Tdi.
Ok thanks for the mention
plz tell best diesel engine reliability and fuel efficiency wise for SUV...
Which of these can be used to run biodiesel?
What if you do a follow up video about the best engines on sale right now?
I worked at International's Melrose Park Works for years where the DT466 engine was produced. It was rare for one to fail the final RPM testing. I over saw many aspects of it's manufacture and can assure anyone that it was originally as bullet proof as they came. Original Crankshafts were forged, hardened, then straightened before grinding. I knew the straightening operators well and asked one to push the bending operation to the limit just to see if the crank could be broken, he did, and no dice. That crank would not break even when bent to a ridiculous angle over and over again! Talk about tough. Towards the end of production they switched to a casting. It was easy to break one even if the operator didn't try. The EPA basically killed the DT466. To keep costs down International had to look for cheaper alternatives in many components. The fuel injection system became a nightmare. It was called "The Legend" during it's heyday. I had my picture taken with the last DT466 Block machined on 5-13-1993! I loved your presentation. Thanks.
Sometimes I get to drive a little 1982 International 5 yd dumptruck for work with the DT466. It's only 180 horse, but it's got boatloads of torque and is geared perfectly with a 5 spd transmission and a 2 speed rear end. What a great little truck and fun to drive.
Legend.
When are Americans gonna do something about that EPA? When you're all choking on battery smoke?
I have 9 dt 466 not one problem, absolutely bulletproof!
This is a US available list pretty much. Missed the Nissan TD27, TD 42, Toyota 1HZ, Mercs OM606, Isuzu 4JJ1 and so many more 4 and 6 cyl diesel that are very reliable
Well ya know. Since it’s a US channel and a US based platform. You’re more than welcome to make one though and put it on this US based platform though.
@@specforged5651 You must be fun to talk too.
Isuzu 4j1
1gd are reliable also
@@stevenwilliams2056 nah the kd series was more reliable. The gd is good when used with good fuel, but it falls apart on industrial diesel.
I am glad you started with the International DT466. I am a fleet mechanic for a public utility, the majority of our manlifts and digger trucks are powered by the DT and have been for many years. Most are low mileage but have a lot of hours since they merely drive to a jobsite and idle all day to drive the PTO.
Everything you said is true, the base engine is the best, hands down. One Navistar was forced to add EGR cooling and aftertreatment systems it ruined the DT. Especially here in the California desert where it gets to 115F for weeks at a time. And since our trucks idle all day, the aftertreatment systems never get a chance to burn off.
It pisses me off when a cherry mechanic fresh out of trade school hires on and complains about what a POS the DT is. Every problem we have with the engine is caused by the EGR cooling or aftertreatment. The newbies can't seem to understand that.
Young tech's that came along after electronics and egr emissions.saw completely different engines that what they once were.hurry up and throw all this stuff on them and then let the customer and company pay to make it work,on some it didnt.thanks EPA.we need to clean up environment but give company's time to get this stuff ironed out and working.
I disagree. It's the EPA that needs to be trashed, and permanently !@@mikewarpula911
Since you were speaking of Inline-6, light duty diesels, and mechanical injection; when I put all three of those things together I get the Mercedes OM606
Seriously, the 606 is amazing in its output and reliability. I currently have a 606, 602, 1.9 and 2.0 TDI, and all should make the list for passenger vehicle diesel heroes.
Fortunately, reliability was not included or anything by Mercedes would not get a look in.
@@stevendouglas6593 om606 is one of the most reliable engine ever made
@@stevendouglas6593 clearly you are not talking about Diesels.
OM stands for Diesel! OM = Ölmotor (Oil Engine)
I love the air cooled deutz engines. There was a 5cyl available in the U.S for a short time in some gm trucks, and IVECO vans
- Pretty much all VW PD diesels
- BMW M57 engine series
- Mercedes OM606
- Scania DC16 just for the sheer power and torque it makes
- fiat 1.9jtd
- mercedes 2.1 diesel
- not a road car but deserves an honerable mention: peugeot 908. 5.5L TT v12 diesel with 730hp and 890ft lbs of torque in a 900kg car...
Love the 908
1.9 alh tdi for sheer reliability
Best two light duty diesels are probably the 7.3 powerstroke and the 12 valve Cummins. Although, Personally I prefer the 12 valves because mechanical simplicity. Medium duty, the CAT 3126’s are very good, and the DT-466P’s are outstanding. The 3406B CAT’s are great, the Gen 3 855 big cams are phenomenal, and the 2 stroke Detroit’s are very good and the roar of them makes them perhaps the best sounding engine ever…that’s what I like to tell the 6.0 and the 6.4 powerstroke guys when they’re like ‘yeah, they’re unreliable and plagued with emissions and poorly designed…but they sound the best!’ And I say ‘ever heard a 2 stroke Detroit?’ Then they go cry themselves to sleep cause I just took away the only thing they had going for them.
the only one I would add is a c15 but spot on
12V71
The Defence rests
477 HP, 1251 lb-ft with NO turbo.
Add 14 psi boost, and you get 931 HP and 2440 lb-ft
@@markdubois4882 that is REALLY hard to argue against
I love Detroit’s, but nobody will ever get to hear them, so my 6.0 will be what they hear, lol. A well-sorted daily 6.0 is more powerful, more responsive, faster, pulls harder, more efficient than a 7.3 or 5.9 and dang nearly just as reliable - which is reliable enough for me. So no, I’m not crying at night.
The two strokes where known as screaming memmies and you could hear them coming a mile away. They also had a very bad history of "running away" and gernading before you could get them shut down using the oh Jesus handle. I had two blow up both 318 Detroits.
Class 8........Caterpillar 3406B, C, E, C15 ( 6NZ ), Detroit Diesel 53, 71, 92 Series, Series 60; Cummins B Series, Cummins 855ci based engines ( Small Cam, Big Cam, N14 )
8v92 and c15 have my heart lmao
@@sae4071 the 8V92TA stole my heart and got me into trucking. It was in the early 80s, and in a doublewide KW K100 with an Allison auto...beautiful truck.
@@hoost3056 sounds amazing I was never around for those but my dad has a c15 in an 05 pete black and chrome. Just hit 2 million miles not too long ago and wow to this the start ups are gorgeous
@@sae4071 Ive had Cummins products primarily ( 5.9 in a Dodge, a Big Cam 400hp, and two N14s ), a Volvo VED12 non emission, a B model Cat and a couple of 7.3 Powerstrokes. The 6.7 Powerstroke pulled my loaded goose neck like it wasn't there, it was an '18 model in a F350 dually. Least favorite by far is the Cummins ISX.
@@hoost3056 yea I love a 7.3 but the 6.7 is a monster that can be tuned beyond belief I love cummins but was never around one usually 60series detroits and c15s
The Rock Quarry I used to work at had an entire fleet of quarry trucks with the Cat C27 engines in them. A few of them had over 25,000 hours on the original engine. I realize that’s probably quite a bit larger than anything on your list but I still think it’s an awesome engine.
@@allthingsgoodcomefromhim965a lot of the ones we have at my job have over 42,000 hours. Longest running currently is a Kobata v330 with a bit over 48,000
@@marshallhunter9446Kubota engines are TANKS
The DT466 was originally a farm tractor engine that was repurposed as a truck engine. The one good diesel that International made. Pretty much bulletproof.
The one good one? Ive never heard such naivety before, at worst they had 2-3 that were just bad, like the 9.0L, with even the vt365 having some redeeming qualities. They have several well known and loved diesels like the dt360 and t444e.
The International 6.9 IDI would like to have a word with you.
@@GSKYYT you ain't wrong! Slave Lake anyone?
They made many good diesel engines the dt wasxobectthat got most pub they also made most of fords light truck diesels including the 7.3. I still have my 1967 one ton international truck C1300 diesel it’s been rebuilt to point of 425 hp and 1175 trq it’s pay load is 17875. No truck today touches it for hauling and pulling power. Imagine truck is not duals either but one heavy duty beast named ghost. Thier are more international diesel engines out there than you realise every school bus several heavy duty trucks you see there is a good chance international power is behind it. Duramax is an Isuzu ford a international but in end Cummins owns 90% of light truck mkt they control seats on board at cat after being bought by cat is anyone’s guess look at Mercedes vw Scandinavian all have connection to Cummins in some form, before international made engines for ford Cummins did they simply out sourced thier diesel operations Favorite greenness I6 300 if they could have converted that petrol engine into a diesel they may have had their own in house winner. That’s the best engine ford ever produced. 302 is fords most underated engine we are talking durability and longevity not power. Gm Detroit diesel was one of my favorite marine applications like the DT DD suffered similar fate as epa did both engines in with thier new rules and regulations.
My 7🌳 would beg to differ
There should be a documentary series on Detroit 2 stroke diesels. With hundreds more parts in them compared to typical inline 6 4 stroke and still be reliable, a marvel of engineering . They must have been fitted to more machines than nearly any other engine series or manufacturer in history.
what parts are those? apart from the blower i can't think of anything that contains "hundreds more parts" that are not present in every other diesel engine. the 6-71 is an incredibly straight forward engine.
They had many great V series engines. Some were multiple engine blocks put together with multiple blowers and turbos. Unit injectors, governors with mechanical linkages to tie everything together. 4 valve heads, 4 accessory drive locations, including the back of the engine. I think to do all of that, be the first to do it with decades of success means something.
@@onetireonfire2777 poor torque at low rpm, very uneconomical and very loud. Id take a 4 stroke john deere, cummins, scania or volvo any day
But it’s as reliable as the day is long, that’s the beauty of it. You can’t say that about many modern diesels. I believe that trumps the powerband or how loud it is.
@@onetireonfire2777 We ran 6-71 gensets for years in a lot of our tugs, they were loud used oil like it was free but we're reliable as an anvil.
By comparison, they were replaced with electronic John Deere 6068 gens; nice engines, good on fuel, but oh boy, lose a sensor and she might shut down on you! No bueno!
The Detroit 6-71, aka "The Screaming Jimmy". I think that engine should have its own video. Not because it was a 2 Stroke, but because it was put in everything!
Peterbilt
Kenworth
Brockway
Autocar
White
Diamond T
International
Mack
GMC
Chevrolet
Ford
Dodge
Allis Chalmers Dozers
Fiat Dozers
Insley Excavators
Chamberlain Tractors
John Deere Tractors
Water Pumps
Generators
Terex Loaders and Bulldozer
The list goes on! While not Detroit's most powerful, and packaging was not the best...but it was their most versatile, used, loved and recognized engine in the industry.
Oliver Tractors, M4A2 Sherman Tank, M10 Tank Destroyer, Higgins LCVP, LST, & LCI landing craft, Valentine Mk IV-IX Tank, thousands of buses and thousands of trawlers and yachts
Basically learned how drive standard in a 2005 International 7300 dump truck with a DT466 the other day at my trade school. Definitely a nice engine from what I have experienced.
Mercedes Benz OM606
MWM Sprint 6 cylinders
Volvo D5244T4
Mercedes Benz OM617
Tatra V8 / AirCooled / T3-928
Deutz - AirCooled
great video! I sure did like how you mentioned the 1.9 TDI from VW. had one for a long time and super reliable. Also to add was the Mercedes that was put in the 07-09 jeep Grand Cherokee.
How bout those Air Deutz engines. I've seen those work in underground hardrock mining operations where the ambient rock temp was probably 120-130*F and those things were tough. The Detroit diesel and Mercedes engines were around but the Air Deutz ran hotter and seemed to tolerate those awful conditions better. I'm also thinking that having the independent removable cylinders is also a plus
the air deutz are the best starting diesel on very cold winter conditions.
Where is 1.9 TDI?
I’m guessing it’s bc it’s a car engine and he wasn’t really going for a German diesel list anyway
I worked on Detroit Diesel engines for many years and I agree that the 60 was a great engine. And with the Silver 92 Detroit got the 2 stroke diesel where it needed to be, having seen Silver 92 8v-500 engines hold up very well. Too bad the EPA killed them all.
1. 7.3L powerstroke
2. 12V Cummins
3. LBZ duramax
Not even close. They're all throwaway motors. A proper top 3 would be:
1. Mack E7 mechanical
2. Caterpillar 3406B
3. Detroit 8V71
@@daltonbrink9924 I'm not that familiar with those engines to have a proper opinion on them hence why none of them are in my top 3. Hard to judge something you don't know much about.
Those are good for pickups/medium duty, but if you compare them to a Detroit S60, Cummins N14 or the legendary 3406/C15 Kittens, they all sound like boat anchors.
I had a cat 6NZ and a cummins N14 passing 2 million miles without rebuilt.
And those are pulling hard. Not a 5000 lbs camper twice per summer.
@@carlosnorris352I've read up on those engines more in the last couple years, specifically the caterpillar and Detroit as well as the cummins
I will, can and always have trusted my life to Cat 3406 mechanical engines. the hardest thing you will do with the is start them, once they are running they are bullet proof and i have personally have had them pull a load into the yard with a connecting rod sticking out the side of the block. The international dt466 in a small vocational truck is a close second
100% agreement on both engines.. the 3406b is legendary, to say the very least..
I know this is way out of your subject here, but I own a '11 BMW 335d with M57 3.0L I6 biturbo engine with 425 ft-lb torque @1,750 rpm and 265 hp. That powerplant in a little 4dr compact sedan is an insane combination stock. Apparently, it's super responsive to quick, cheap chip tuning, too.
I highly agree. I have a 2011 335d and it's fantastic. Great mileage and with the emissions stuff taken off it should last a very very long time.
The 1.9L ALH and the 1.9L BEW are some of my favorite engines, I also love Toyotas 1KZ, all great inline 4.
In what car and year I can find this engine
the 1.9L ALH is in the 1999-2003 Volkswagen Golfs and Jetta's, with the 1.9L BEW only coming in the 2004 model of the car. the ALH and BEW are practically the same engine, with differences in electronics. the 1kz was a engine use in Toyota trucks and SUV's from 1995 to 2003.@@madebydade305ify
The DT466 was still a great engine with electronics as the DT466e. It was when it became the Maxxforce and had emissions equipment that it was ruined. I read somewhere that it was them manufactured at a different location, had different metallurgy, and had more valves.
We had a 98 Navistar jet fuel truck (can’t remember the model) w/DT466E at a previous job, over 60K hours on it when I left 4 years ago and the only time the engine had been opened up was to replace cam & lifters after a lifter retainer broke and the roller lifter turned in its bore. The biggest problem with the electronics was the pins & sockets in the ECM & plugs. Any time it started acting up we’d spend half a day replacing pins in the plugs and it’d be OK for another year or 2.
Not a bad list. I’ve run and worked on everything on the list, our JD 466s will be running for years. The 619 is best sitting on the iron pile with a Cummins repower in its place.
Its a great motor when paired with a proper size radiator and allowed enough air flow to keep it cool
Tractor: Perkins 2.5L 3-cyl diesel, reliability in all conditions.
Truck, timber: Scania V8 14,2 L, reliable and strong
7.3 powerstroke fan. Owned a ‘96 for 8 years in a F250 XLT 4x4 ex-cab long box. Recently picked up a 2000 F250 4x4 ex-cab long box.
American viewer here. I drive a 1.9 BEW VW daily. I’ve had (4) 1.9’s all of them have been amazing. My trucks are 2004.5 5.9 Cummins and and 02’ LB7 and my 54 Dodge truck has an OM606 Mercedes. All of them are fantastic motors. For reliability the VW and the Duramax wins, For high RPM and performance the Mercedes wins and for high Torque the Cummins wins.
Worked on a fishing boat that had a 671 Detroit diesel. It ran endlessly. Loved that engine.
you should be deaf then listening to that screaming thing.
Hey! Never seen your channel before but this caught my eye in my fyp, and on your regards of the internation DT466 I can say whole heartedly that they're my favorite in this list, I've never seen a diesel engine that's so easy to make so much power without any worry of it breaking, at it took for me and my uncle to tune up an international loadstar he had was some new injectors and governor removal, wild engines indeed
I’d have to say the 354 Perkins should be on it. They built a lot of them back in the day and they work great.
The Perkins 152 is too small for this list but it's a good one. The Kubota and Yanmar diesels are good too for smaller applications
I don't know much about them, but I did hear the name a lot and saw a few stuffed in pickups. Always heard what good engines they were.
@@MaxNafeHorsemanship they were used in tractors quite a bit. We have two of them with the 354 and both are about as trouble free as an engine can be.
@@karlherzog3979 I heard they were popular in older combines as well and usually outlasted the combine.
I have 2 favorites. #2 is the DT466, and #1 is the 425 horse 3406B.
Would like to see the SD 22 NISSIN DATSUN have one in my ford RANGER with over 500.000 miles going strong.
I have a 5.9 ISB in my 2003 Ram 2500 and it's very good. I've also had a 2000 Beetle TDI with the 1.9ALH that required "spririted driving" to keep the VGT vanes clear of soot. I get 19mpg city 27hwy in the RAM and i got 34mpg city/ 50hwy in the Beetle.
Definitely Mack E9 should be on the list too. How it shares so many parts with Scania makes it a unique American diesel engine
I agree 100% the E9 is a awesome V8 Turbo diesel and the fact it shares so much with the Scania V8 Turbo diesel makes it that much cooler plus the sounds these things make are just non other and in my opinion sound way better than any inline Turbo diesel just my biased opinion😅.
@@hammertime_diesel_minnesot6781 I don't know how is scania reliability, since Scania was bought by Volkswagen/Audi group
@@danteerskine7678 Most of truck engines are 6 cyl. in line but Scania is still holding on with V8 diesel. It`s a low rpm engines and have a unique oil cleaning system (centrifugal). A shame VW got them...... and MAN and and
The OM617 is underrated but everyone wants to flex a OM606. But I like the supercharged 2 stroke Detroit in a ol K whopper or the 2L series in the hilux
The 3406 was probably the most innovative but the 6NZ was their best beast.
The pre-DPF ISX I had was phenomenal.
But I always wanted one of those Scanias with the V8
You missed som great smaller diesel engines, for example Mercedes.
6 cylinder OM603 and OM606.
5 cylinder OM617, OM602, OM662 and OM605.
These engines are legendary for their reliability, durability, multi fuel capability and tuning ability.
Toss in the OM616 too
@@bobbbobb4663 Sure, I'm not a fan of 4 cylinder engines. But the 616, 601 and 604 are of course built to the same standards as the 5 and 6 cylinder counterparts.
My E320 CDI gets 47 to 41 (winter) mpg. I6
OM352 and OM314 are truly nice too have. Did good when it was in commercial use.
OM613 best inline 6 for any passenger car. Amazing mechanical capability and economic. Still a common rail but with low pressure compared to today’s standard and oversized hpfp. Not emission system and oversized exhaust.
They do not break
I love the 71 series Detroit my favorite pickup engine being the 7.3 powersmoke
I’m shocked you didn’t mention the GM 2 stroke diesels for a small high speed engine the 6-71N is just about impossible to beat. And for a larger medium speed the 567, 645, and 710 EMDs are just about the best diesels ever built. Worked on a 16-645 that had more then 200,000 hours on her and had never been rebuilt to the best of my knowledge! Don’t get me wrong it had its power assemblies changed numerous times along with rod and main bearings, but the crank had never been out and no machine work had ever been done. Power assemblies and bearings are maintenance not an overhaul.
Idk if you meant hrs, miles, or kilometers. 200k hours is like 20+ years dude. Not saying your wrong but idk any engine ever that can run longer than I've been alive without rebuild
@@curtisstunts_3145 with EMDs, engine life can easily be measured in decades.
I've been doing some research on Alis-Chalmers engines. I ran a 301 as a teen and I was impressed with the smoothness, quietness and fuel economy. Very hard to find a lot of info on them ie Wikipedia.
I’ve put a ton of miles on diesels over the years. VW 1.5L, 1.9L ALH TDI, 2.0 TDi CR (currently own) … Ram 5.9L 12vCummins , 6.7 Cummins (currently own)….. Mercedes Benz 0M605, OM616(916), and 617(912 X2). Although I don’t have any real complaints about any of the diesels I’ve owned, none have compared to the Mercedes OM615 and OM617 engines. I had over 700k miles on a OM615 240D with nothing but periodic maintenance. Compression was dropping for sure in its final year (it was consuming about a quart of oil every 300 miles and was hard to start in cold temps ), but it was still doing the job. Like all MB diesels of that era, they were overbuilt and underpowered ….. the perfect recipe for longevity.
466E was not ruined by electronics, they both use the HUEI system and cat and international developed it. The 466E was ruined by the emission like with the CATS
Great list, for sure this is a large engine list. For small engines the isuzu Diesel engines should be there. The 4jj1 is an impressive little engine. The 4hk1 and 6hk1 are mid size engines. Also extremely reliable.
Do you like the 4BD2 or 4HJ1 engines
@@alvesthegreat depends on needs right tool for the right job
4Hk1 the best
Deutz FL (aircooled) engines, from 1 Cylinder up to 12 Cylinder V12!
😂 I worked on a lot of those in the orange groves! Those suckers would run.
I run a dt 466, 3406 and an n14 Cummins all three are work horses but I think the N14 is the better of the three and I’m very surprised it didn’t make the list
I think you made a pretty good list. Glad you put the 60 Series Detroit on there. I'm not a Detroit fan, but even i admit that engine was very influential.
2 stroke Detroit Diesel is a class of it own. The strength and sound is awesome.
And how it's run away also is awesome
Until you either go deaf, or lose your fingers. Slam your hand in the door so you’re pissed off enough to drive it.
5.9 Cummins is my #1
A lot of people mention the Mercedes OM606... I would still add it, but not for the power potential or reliability of the turbo version, but for the naturally aspirated version. The OM606 NA is still the most powerful naturally aspirated diesel ever produced (specific output, 44.8 HP/Liter)
Are you sure ?
The Power from my built 5.9L (2002 Storm Block) Cummins is amazing! The Torque is very impressive! Now to transition, the 2003 Beetle we built is so much fun. A 1.9 L ALH, TDI with a Borg-Warner Turbo, 11 mm Bosch Injection Pump, Bosul Injectors and a Kerna Tune. Last summer returning hon
home from the northeastern tip of Wisconsin, I drove 650 miles to a Costco near our home. 13.9 gallons of diesel! 46.7 mpgs!
Im a big fan of throwing CAT 3126 engines in pickups. You cant do much to increase the power. But you can find them very cheap and very reliable. Alot of CAT mechanics i talk to say its their favorite engine.
Do they have any comments about additional weight compared to other pickup motors?
Love my old 7.3l, she slow, she cheap, but most of all, she gets me where I need to be.
Reliable as F too..
Here’s a few I think are the most reliable: CAT 3126 7.2l i6, Dt466e 7.6l I6 pre DPF, Maxxforce DT, T444e/7.3 powerstroke v8, 2005 6.6l Duramax v8, Cummins 12/24 valve 5.9l i6 and Cummins 6.7l in-line 6.
I can do this in a few words. Diesel engines are economical, use very little fuel compared to others. Power to work beats all. Use to be very few moving parts, little to no electricity. Diesel is easy to make. They can run on kerosene also.
Bmw m57, om606, om605 and om 617. Also isuzu 4jj1 toyota 1kd and john deere 9 litre
Ever?
That’s a hard decision. I had good seat time behind the following. LBZ, LMM duramax. 12v and common rail 5.9 Cummins. Can say enough good about these. I’m sure there are others just as good.
That’s definitely a good list!
I am only echoing what has been said by many before me and that is the mercedes diesel engine lineup pre 1995ish. I've had several and they are phenomenal engines. My dad and grandfather built a mercedes custom repair shop around these engines because of their reliability and longevity. I still drive daily.
Series 60 12.7 pre emission especially last two years 2000-2002 insanely reliable
When you look at small capacity diesels the Fiat 16 valve 1.3 JTD has to be in there. It’s an amazing layer construction and very strongly built. It’s weak point is the cam chain. BUT the valves rockers are sacrificial so easily replaced along with new cam chain.
Heres some engines from europe that really should be on the list.
The Mercedes OM606 3l i6
Volvo D5 2.4l i5
Toyota D4D and the 2.4l NA diesel.
and the legendary Scania 14l V8
DT 466 is the most reliable/abused engines I've ever seen in my life. We had spreader trucks that spent their entire lives with the pedal stomped to the floor in 2nd gear, ALL DAY EVERY DAY, TACHED OUT running in soft dirt, dust, heat and done it with no failures or mechanical issues- for 28 years. NO other engine held up that long.
I have a 1996 Nissan Navara with a 4 cylinder 2.7 Litre turbo diesel. It's done over 260,000kms and still runs great. Doesn't use any fluids. Sure not the most powerful engine. But it's reliable and strong. And also pretty good on fuel. I imagine once I get around to cleaning the intake manifold which I expect to be heavily caked with crap that it'll have a fair bit more grunt. On the to do list!
The best is Cat 3208, detroit 6v-53 used in m-113 Army apc'. DT466 ihc. 12v71 , detroit 60, 7.3 idi, continaiontal air cooled 750 horse general electric diesel used in m-48 army tanks.
The Caterpillar 3126 is a good one it kinda goes with the 7.3 Powerstroke and the DT466 since all three of them at one time used HEUI Injection
VW 1.9tdi. The best diesel engine ever made!
The title of the the video is a false claim since it says best diesel engines but there's not a single mention of the legendary 1.9 TDI
I was so happy when you mentioned the Mack E7 in your honourable mentions. I have worked on many different engines, but the E7 has proven to be one of the most indestructible engines. Not much power, but they run forever. I have worked in a fleet with Mack garbage trucks with over a million city miles and still start and run flawlessly.
I cut my teeth for heavy hauling on a ch model mack with an Bosch injected E7 with a 9 spd maxitorque. That truck was abused to now end and took it all in stride
And the E9 was a fabulous motor!
I have a e7 tore down at work right now.
E7s and EM7s with the P pump are as good as an engine gets imo. We have an RD with an EM7-300 with 30k hours on it and even in the winter it cranks right to life. The only engine I have around that starts better is an ancient 6bt in a Komatsu Dresser loader. That thing fires after not even 2 full rotations no matter what temp. 😅
Maxidyne high torque rise engine introduced in 1967. At the time one of the biggest innovations in diesel engine engineering.
GOOD GOD...! What a glorious sound.....and to think, I was considering a battery powered Tesla truck. Thanks for pointing me back in the right direction.
The 6.5L Detroit (pre Duramax diesel) is the Gold metal engine for Fuel economy... my 3500 got 28mpg... and could be upgraded for more power relatively cheap.... and several of the common power upgrades also gave you more fuel economy as well... the best I have herd of is the 6.5L getting 37mpg
Wow ive never heard anything about their fuel efficiency but that is impressive
@@Kallaus_built 6.5L were in all the military HUMVEEs, alot of motor boats, and the pre 2000 Chevy pick up trucks... 6.5 diesels got a bad reputation in the trucks because Chevy installed them wrong... there is are 2 great videos on the 6.5L by a UA-camr by the name of "Yankee Preper" If your thinking of getting one look his videos up
As I've been working on diesel generators since I was 10 years old... I will choose the best of best with respect to power:
1- "from zero to 50 kw its John deer.
2-from 80 to 150, its duetz and cummins
3-from 150 to 400 kw its volvo
4-from 400 up to 2500 kw its great mtu
You left out the Mercedes OM617 in my 1985 300CD which I use everyday.
You should do a video on the Perkins 354 5.8l diesel. Supposedly a great engine. The Ford Genisis is also a study
On the 24v isb 5.9's its also worth noting that among the changes in fuel was the common rail 24v5.9s that came out in 03 and continued until 06, which, as far as im concerned, are some of the coolest 5.9's.
‘06 was hands down the best year for the 5.9 and no one can tell me otherwise.
Great vid... covered a LOT of ground. You mentioned the VW TDI. I had an Audi A3 rental car once in Germany that did about 225 Km/H (~135 mph) on the Autobahn turning a bit over 4000 rpm... amazing. Another light diesel I would nominate: BMW's first two stage (sequential) 3.0 L inling 6 that was rated at 270 to 300 HP depending on year and market. The one I drove was in a 2007 German spec 5-series sedan weighing in around 4000 lb. Redline was 5000 rpm and it could do 0-60 in 6 seconds flat. Too bad that emission regs made those diesels un-attractive economically for the US market after ~2011.
If I could live with all the oil leaks .I would bring my 7.3 in the house at night ,it's just that good.
There are no leaky engines, just bad owners....
The greatest features of the Cummins 5.9 was its simplicity, built of far fewer parts than most competitors. Cheap, very reliable and economical while being reasonably quiet and smooth. A great farm tractor and excavator engine.
The Ford/New Holland 7.5 litre Powerstar tractor engine is a close second. However the CNH/Iveco NEF engine family with the closely related current Cummins 6.7 litre beats them all.
There should be a diesel engine fandom. Wish you can make videos on German and Japanese diesel engines, for example the Mercedes Benz OM606 which some call the Diesel 2JZ and it's gas counterpart, the M104, the German 2JZ.
Yes don’t forget the MAM
1.9 TDI: best European diesel engine ever created and as an European person I'm offended it's not on this list.
- can be tuned for stupid amounts of power
-affordable
-reliable
-parts everywhere
-your grandparents probably have car with it in it
-has a cult like following
-Jeeeedna devět tee dee iiii
*Perkins*
All the way!
The only weakness of the Cummins 5.9 was their blocks. If they were cast in Brazil they tended to crack. But "block stitching""usually fixes this.
Cat 3406e went up to 550hp. Then the c-15 was available up to 600hp. Then the c15 acert was up to 625hp. (They have the strongest block) if you want a deep dive into cat engines let me know. I've built a bit of them and tune them. Mines set up for running everyday at 900hp.
I'm not a mechanic, but been driving for 25 years and was thinking, that the 3406 goes way up from 450hp😁 but other than that was very nice informative video🙂
@@antonpandoursky9790 even the B model could do 475 🤷🏼♂️
3406e was also available in 15.8 litres with ~575 to 600hp and is the predecessor to the c16.
@@antonpandoursky9790 1MM was a 600hp 3406e. 6NZ only only went to 550hp. You had to buy a 7CZ C16 to get 600hp.
@@klikliks_service What’s the difference between the 1MM and 6NZ besides the the power rating?
why Mercedes 616/617 engines arent here blows my mind on how little people dont know that mercedes was the tesla of diesels back then. i daily drive a 240D from 1982 and has no black smoke or doesn't hard start at all.. all cast iron engine, easy to maintain, and good value for the money..
1kzte is ultra reliable turbocharged I4 not super powerful but it was used a bunch in Eurasia in Toyota mini trucks/vans. There’s builds with innercoolers that push decent power though. It also can get like 32mgp.
We just installed a Cat 3406E into our Glider Peterbilt 389 due to its hardcore reliability, efficiency, and pulling power. It pretty much checks all the boxes.
Nice! How much horsepower and torque?
@@sstevocamaro it’s the 650 PDI tune but it dyno at 570 hp at 1700 revs constant. So the torque is around 2100 ft/lbs at the wheels. We gross 129,000 doubles and it pulls far better than our 605 2050 x15 Cummins trucks.
Yep, the 3406 Cat and the series 60 Detroit are definitely two of the absolute best. An honorable mention I'd like to see is the Detroit 8V92. Purred like a kitten, and just got down to work when you stepped on the loud pedal. Plus, a straightforward rebuild to keep the truck going another million miles
Cummins N14 is in same league as those 2 I6 you mentioned.
Maybe out of the scope of these type videos, but two series of prime movers that belong on the best diesels of all time are the EMD 645 and 710 prime movers, and the General Electric FDL16 prime movers, both types being found in both railroad locomotive and marine applications. Two completely different designs, the EMD's being 2-stroke and the GE's being 4-stroke, but both designs being long-lived engines.
arguably Van line 6 is the best engine configuration of all time for truck and cars... amazing
2.0 (emissions scandal) TDI. It was the last non urea diesel offered in a small sedan. Of significant note, it was made more special given the availability of a 6-speed manual. This was also the final Jetta with independent rear suspension before VW changed to torsion beam. I’ll say it was a lively car that was a grip to drive through the alps. I could lug into an uphill switch back @ 1,100 rpm and it would throttle through with gusto, a real sweet car due to that luscious torque.
I'll vote for the 7.3 International/Navistar diesel. I had a naturally aspirated version in a 1992 Ford F350 many years ago. The motor would routinely get 16L/100km or 15 mpg in the city and was ultra reliable. Too bad the rest of the truck fell apart around it.
The 6bt engines were used in isuzu trucks that have 20 feet flat trays ,these trucks have been carrying sugarcane from the 90s, which always turns out to be above GVM just because here in fiji no one cares,that means usually about 15 to 20 tons or 30 to 40 thousand pounds of sugarcane plus rough roads and despite their age, they still are the best of the best. isuzu also makes small engine such as a 4jj's, and if anyone wants to know about these engines then just see videos of CB MEDIA on youtube, u will definitely be surprised
The T444E is my 2004 IH CE200 bus would and did outrun every bus we had in our fleet. That includes the 2021 6.7 Cummins CE200, MaxForce DT 466 CE200 and even our E450 7.3 PowerStroke Conversion Bus. It would out speed(no goverernors) and out accelerate everyone of them. All busses were 72 PAX busses save the E450. I miss that 04.
One of the biggest differences I have ever found in all of these busses is that the old engines had very fast and crisp throttle response whereas these new engines are slow to respond.
As an aside, we actually had an older CAT powered bus. But it was unreliable, body wise, to be used on route.
7.3 is loved by my people who haven’t owned a 6.7 i have both its not even close the RPM and power you can make can upgrade OEM steal pistons and the 6R140 or 10R140 are another big factor
Preach
I would agree as far as power output and general reliability. As of right now we have a stock until 7.3 that’s rolling 700k. Fully stock that still runs very well with decent power. Sure they don’t make a lot of power or RPMs but they do very well if you use them for their intended purpose. I’m surprised that the 12v or 6.7 Cummings wasn’t added in.
As far as pickups go I think the 6.7 power stroke is one of the best, ford kicked navistar out and made a great product that they have so much faith in its even going into the midsize 650-750
Mid size trucks I have to take the 3126 just for pure reliability and sound also the 8.3 isc is a fantastic Cummins that’s comes in almost every single mid size truck and pusher in America.
Finally the twin turbo C15 is fantastic as far as heavy’s go.
Also the Volvo D6J is one of the most reliable diesels I’ve ever seen in all my years of working on diesels. Not popular cause it’s in just heavy equipment but a pretty impressive lil engine.
Nah. Have had nothing but trouble with the Scorpion powerstroke. Duramax and Cummins are usually the way to go
@@rock-uu7qr I have 177k on my personal 2017 f250 and 105k on my work f550 that hauls a 20,000 lbs bed around. No major faults for either of them. For me that’s enough to really like what fords done
I owned a '79 VW 1.5 l diesel. Best car I have owned. Car lasted just over 400,000 miles before rust sent the car to the junk yard. Only normal maintenance was performed including replacing the glow plugs a couple of times. Living in Minnesota the car always started, I made sure that I purchased fuel from a high-volume station, I knew I had winter blend fuel not fuel that had been in the tank for months. Subzero glow the engine twice and it always started. Granted the car was slow as turtle.
The in-line 6 is popular for packaging and simplicity. That’s why I bought a Cummins. I don’t feel that it makes crazy power compared to the duramax especially since they make similar torque at low rpm’s
The only thing i know about the 3406 Cat is from the Movie Black Dog (Patrick swayze movie) where when he got the truck the one they gave him was too flashy and had an unreliable engine, he specifically asked for a 3406 to do the job he was hired for
I am still driving 14L EGR Detroit 60, with over 1.5 million miles on the engine. The engine itself was never opened. Original head gasket. Original injectors. Loosing one gallon of oil every 15000 miles. This is when I change the oil, and filters. At 1.4 million miles, I had to replace the exost manifold. It was cracked big time in the middle.
Detroit 2 stroke on top!
Pre 2003 12.7L Detroit Series 60, 6NZ Cat C15, and Cummins N14 for heavy duty engines in that order.
For semi trucks the 12.7 60 series is definitely the best truck engine ever made, the N 14 Cummins is second place.