It feels like they were two-thirds through writing an episode about Geordi's inability to handle the loss of his mother and then some producer saw a report about virtual reality on 60 Minutes and demanded a full rewrite the next Monday.
I'd wondered why this review was over 24 minutes, but I never expected this. You magnificent bastards. As for the review, I wholeheartedly agree, it's one of those filler episodes writers never put any heart or thought into. It's not making anyone's Top 10 lists. Not even a Top 10 of worst episodes, because even these require some sort of an effort. It's not easy being irreverently bad.
I can see I'll be the only one in the comments when I say that I don't dislike this episode and actually find it relatable. You see, if you went through something similar to Geordi, you will look at this episode differently. I have lost someone close in a similar way like Georgi in this episode, one day this person was here and all well, the next he was gone and no matter how much you think you have accepted it and that you are a rational person etc. your mind will start to create all these crazy and impossible scenarios that it all might be just one big misunderstanding and the person is somehow, somewhere okay etc. And if I have gotten this glimmer of hope like Geordi did, I can very much see myself acting in the same irrational way, you are just not thinking straight and it takes time for your mind to deal with the loss and accept the reality...
Its TNG and nothing has continuity but I just want to point out that in a previous episode "Hero Worship" Geordi talked about how the most traumatic experience of his life was being trapped in a fire as a kid, and then when he is stuck in a VR fire he can feel and is trapped in, like idk, maybe he should have cared or something.
The problem with this episode is that they threw in Geordi's mother without setting it up more in previous episodes. It's jarring to suddenly learn that people have parents.
Data with the screen...basically cemented it for me. You guys are definitely my kind of guys. If I could give each of you a million bucks for giving me that insane fit of laughter I absolutely would. I mean that. Absolutely made my day. Well done. You win Hells Kitchen.
I also love the subtle editing when picard gets the bad news from the admiral.... you're describing picard learning about Geordis mom missing....showing him lauging at his screen... totally wicked
Maybe everything that happens that seems impossible can be explained by "everyone on the ship is nuts now, from all the crazy shit they've been put through." I mean, they almost die every other week. They save humanity all the time. A bunch of the crew has been killed and resurrected. Not to mention time anomalies. And being pestered by some asshole with godlike omnipotence. They're all just fried.
season 7 was worse than season 1, honestly I can remember all of the episodes in Season 1, but season 7 I vaguely only recall a lot of them. Yep, it had a handful of really good ones (in fact I think some of the best in the entire franchise are in season 7 such as Pegasus and Lower Decks), but the majority were just either boring, painfully melodramatic or plain out and out shite. Season 1 in retrospect comes off as a weird Gene Roddenberry fever dream (which makes sense given he had a tonne of creative control), but I find that interesting viewing when taken within the context of the entire franchise, and how the franchise has evolved since 1987. Is it good Trek? Nope, but it is at sort of interesting. Kind of how ST:TMP is sort of the weird outlier in the movie franchise, that type of Trek will never be attempted again. Season 7 just takes many of TNG's worst habits and cranks them up to about an 11 on the shite-o-meter. I can understand the argument where people say TNG has aged badly especially if they are relying on many of the episodes in season 7 to support that argument.
9:09 Geordi walks in, huh. I thought for sure Samuel L was gonna bust in and say, "Stare at that screen one more time, I dare ya, I double dare ya!" Once again we'd have just a data head, like in Time's Arrow.
He couldn't tell the difference between an fire alien and his real mother, I'm sure he would think holodeck mom was real mom. Also, the second he saw his mom, I suspected it was an alien imposter
Nick you haven't noticed? Data has BEEN testing the crew for evil clones. Each Data episode is him testing the crew for loyalty. If they never stopped him, as he is a super advanced robot, that would mean they where clones and did want star fleet to fail.
Honestly I think they ran out of ideas after season 5, but they had a big enough viewership and Star Trek was a big enough franchise that it didn’t matter. They could just keep cranking out episodes.
I think the hand-healing box thing makes sense. So, while I have seen episodes in which some kind of apparatus is seemingly used for the first time for some extremely specific purpose and then NEVER used again, I think ot makes sense if you remember that they have a replicator. I think there's plenty of things in the replicator's memory for specific purposes and when the time comes they're constructed and used and then when they're done using it it's promptly put in the replicator again to be deconstructed. Kind of like a tool or item in Terraria or Minecraft. You construct an item from materials and when you're done you break it all down again. Only the replicator is filled with complete constructs someone came up with to treat an illness/injury but you'd obviously never store them in a room so they're stored in memory.
This could have been more interesting without the sci fi plot. Say if it was all about Geordi dealing with his mother's disappearance. Though for that to work they would need to give an answer to if she's alive or not. Which they should have done that anyway.
They should have named this episode "throwing s--t in there". I suppose you could say that the entire first half of the season is "throwing -hi- in there". Good review and totally agree with the grade mostly...D+. I didn't mind the probe. The episode was boring though (like the first 2 in this season). I think we can see that they are somewhat in cruise control this season.
Cheaper than CGI, and probably a prop they may never use again as well. It also works to represent how connected his mind/consciousness is to the probe...or something.
@@charlesvan13 Agreed, the in-universe reasoning is tenuous at best. But that's why I put the real world "it was cheaper" first as that's what I expect really dictated the choice.
@@WhitzWolf92 It would have made sense if the probe were an android body that he was interfaced with. But as it is, he's perceiving hands, feet, and other body parts that aren't there.
WTF is Starfleet doing where losing entire ships and their crew without a trace is so normal that everybody immediately assumes they're all dead and moves on? Slapping Geordi with a permanent reprimand on his Starfleet record was ridiculous after all the flagrant insubordination Beverly got away with in 'Suspicions'. Geordi was dumb, but at least he thought he was saving his mother and 300 people on board the Hera from certain death. Beverly took far greater risks just to satisfy her own curiosity and didn't even get a slap on the wrist!
What was messed up about Riker’s mother’s death was how his father didn’t tell him about her until he was five years old. What kind of father is that not telling their child what happened to their mother who just died? Or maybe divorced him and was never coming home (Malcolm in the Middle thing)? Even if he doesn’t get someone like a counselor or a therapist to help him out some with talking to his son like when he’s like three? Well what I say about this episode: Pathetic script, things that hardly made sense, I don’t know this episode was 100% dumb 😠 👎 .
If this is an F, there are going to be a lot of F's this season. I wouldn't go F, because there's nowhere to go below that, but D-. Entirely forgettable, out of character, character-damaging nonsense. If your entire episode relies on technobabble to move the plot, you have nothing. That's the problem with engineering-centric episodes. But Sub Rosa, Journey's End etc deserve to be a tier below this auto-pilot, but not offensively bad, garbage.
Making fun of anything season 7 of TNG is low hanging fruit. I don't know if you got a video for Emergence, but you should have plenty of flimsy little non-sensical details and plagued with plotholes.
It was supposed to be a joke. Though I sometimes wonder if they're trying to see just how bad they can make these and still have people watch them! I mean, I get it, the episode was a really bad one too but I suppose TNG at least has the excuse of being a 1980's/90's show 😌
Me: Wow, 25 minutes! They must have a lot to say about this one
Data: ...
It feels like they were two-thirds through writing an episode about Geordi's inability to handle the loss of his mother and then some producer saw a report about virtual reality on 60 Minutes and demanded a full rewrite the next Monday.
OMG Data with the freaking screen 😂
Did you really add 5 minutes of Data starting at a blank screen…….😂😂😂. I thought my video wasn’t working
It was a homage to Star Trek the Motion Picture.
I'd wondered why this review was over 24 minutes, but I never expected this. You magnificent bastards. As for the review, I wholeheartedly agree, it's one of those filler episodes writers never put any heart or thought into. It's not making anyone's Top 10 lists. Not even a Top 10 of worst episodes, because even these require some sort of an effort. It's not easy being irreverently bad.
That post-episode discussion was hysterical. Loved the bone-breaking bit 🤣
I'm loving your guys restraint! Keep up the good work!!!
Edit: Nick got the ranking right. This is an F episode all the way through.
I can see I'll be the only one in the comments when I say that I don't dislike this episode and actually find it relatable. You see, if you went through something similar to Geordi, you will look at this episode differently. I have lost someone close in a similar way like Georgi in this episode, one day this person was here and all well, the next he was gone and no matter how much you think you have accepted it and that you are a rational person etc. your mind will start to create all these crazy and impossible scenarios that it all might be just one big misunderstanding and the person is somehow, somewhere okay etc. And if I have gotten this glimmer of hope like Geordi did, I can very much see myself acting in the same irrational way, you are just not thinking straight and it takes time for your mind to deal with the loss and accept the reality...
Agreed and I have also lost my Mom recently.
Season 7 Poetic Burn Out is a Throwaway Episode in Space every Week to the End of All Good Things
(Bleep) you for that 2 to 5 minutes of Data staring at his computer screen.
Should also note that the small console Data is using at 1:06, is the same one Lore was using at the end of Descent.
1000 likes for you guys for successfully triggering so many people with a harmless joke. Never stop.
Holy shit, took 2 loops before it clicked. Bravo.
Its TNG and nothing has continuity but I just want to point out that in a previous episode "Hero Worship" Geordi talked about how the most traumatic experience of his life was being trapped in a fire as a kid, and then when he is stuck in a VR fire he can feel and is trapped in, like idk, maybe he should have cared or something.
That 5 minutes... Now that is art!
It took me about a minute to realize it was a looped clip… I was like I don’t remember them panning back and forth like this! 😂
The problem with this episode is that they threw in Geordi's mother without setting it up more in previous episodes. It's jarring to suddenly learn that people have parents.
At least they set up that Geordi is incapable of distinguishing real and fake women.
Yeah, him having a mother came completely out of left field. I mean, who does that?
Data with the screen...basically cemented it for me. You guys are definitely my kind of guys. If I could give each of you a million bucks for giving me that insane fit of laughter I absolutely would. I mean that. Absolutely made my day. Well done. You win Hells Kitchen.
This is another episode I watch live back in the day and don't think I ever watched again.
Data's studying was very soothing. Your devotion to that bit indpired my desire to see just how long you guys keep it going.
I also love the subtle editing when picard gets the bad news from the admiral.... you're describing picard learning about Geordis mom missing....showing him lauging at his screen... totally wicked
Definitely an F. A painful boring episode to go through... unlike this review, which was fun. And yes, also Data studying poetry. 😆
Maybe everything that happens that seems impossible can be explained by "everyone on the ship is nuts now, from all the crazy shit they've been put through." I mean, they almost die every other week. They save humanity all the time. A bunch of the crew has been killed and resurrected. Not to mention time anomalies. And being pestered by some asshole with godlike omnipotence. They're all just fried.
The only significance of this episode was LeVar Burton conveyed his felt his career was tainted by not being able to show his eyes.
season 7 was worse than season 1, honestly I can remember all of the episodes in Season 1, but season 7 I vaguely only recall a lot of them. Yep, it had a handful of really good ones (in fact I think some of the best in the entire franchise are in season 7 such as Pegasus and Lower Decks), but the majority were just either boring, painfully melodramatic or plain out and out shite. Season 1 in retrospect comes off as a weird Gene Roddenberry fever dream (which makes sense given he had a tonne of creative control), but I find that interesting viewing when taken within the context of the entire franchise, and how the franchise has evolved since 1987. Is it good Trek? Nope, but it is at sort of interesting. Kind of how ST:TMP is sort of the weird outlier in the movie franchise, that type of Trek will never be attempted again. Season 7 just takes many of TNG's worst habits and cranks them up to about an 11 on the shite-o-meter. I can understand the argument where people say TNG has aged badly especially if they are relying on many of the episodes in season 7 to support that argument.
9:09 Geordi walks in, huh.
I thought for sure Samuel L was gonna bust in and say,
"Stare at that screen one more time, I dare ya, I double dare ya!"
Once again we'd have just a data head, like in Time's Arrow.
He couldn't tell the difference between an fire alien and his real mother, I'm sure he would think holodeck mom was real mom.
Also, the second he saw his mom, I suspected it was an alien imposter
When I was volunteering in Boy Scouts, I attended a lot of Interface Services
Nick you haven't noticed? Data has BEEN testing the crew for evil clones. Each Data episode is him testing the crew for loyalty.
If they never stopped him, as he is a super advanced robot, that would mean they where clones and did want star fleet to fail.
FUN FACT
the
USS HERA
was supposed to show up on
STAR TREK : VOYAGER
as 1 of the ships
abducted by the
CARETAKER
Wow. Y'all really went ALL IN on Data staring at a blank screen for 5 minutes.
The ancient Doosodarians played a fast one on us
Ah season 7, the season where they ran out of ideas.
Honestly I think they ran out of ideas after season 5, but they had a big enough viewership and Star Trek was a big enough franchise that it didn’t matter. They could just keep cranking out episodes.
I am baffled how these guys only have 5.58k subs.. 🤷♂🤷♂🖖🏻
Not bad Banter. Wow.. someone really over committed to the data looks at laptop joke.
I think the hand-healing box thing makes sense.
So, while I have seen episodes in which some kind of apparatus is seemingly used for the first time for some extremely specific purpose and then NEVER used again, I think ot makes sense if you remember that they have a replicator.
I think there's plenty of things in the replicator's memory for specific purposes and when the time comes they're constructed and used and then when they're done using it it's promptly put in the replicator again to be deconstructed.
Kind of like a tool or item in Terraria or Minecraft.
You construct an item from materials and when you're done you break it all down again. Only the replicator is filled with complete constructs someone came up with to treat an illness/injury but you'd obviously never store them in a room so they're stored in memory.
Like a French film, episodes like this leave you with more questions than answers
This could have been more interesting without the sci fi plot. Say if it was all about Geordi dealing with his mother's disappearance. Though for that to work they would need to give an answer to if she's alive or not. Which they should have done that anyway.
First watching a pot to see if it boils, now this - Data must've been upgraded to Windows 11 at some point.
OK someone green light a ST:tng fan film where data breaks everyone's bones to make sure everyone is real.
All Geordi wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi. He’s not crazy.
They should have named this episode "throwing s--t in there". I suppose you could say that the entire first half of the season is "throwing -hi- in there". Good review and totally agree with the grade mostly...D+.
I didn't mind the probe. The episode was boring though (like the first 2 in this season). I think we can see that they are somewhat in cruise control this season.
4:19 A bold choice, my friends…😂
I hate to say it but I think you’re probably going to dislike most of season 7 - 3-6 are the best seasons IMO
Congratulations.
I now hate data and you guys.
Don't worry guys, pretty much everyone ends up looking like an idiot at some point this season.
Why are they showing images of Geordi walking around when the probe is not a humanoid robot but a thing that floats around?
Cheaper than CGI, and probably a prop they may never use again as well.
It also works to represent how connected his mind/consciousness is to the probe...or something.
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But it makes no sense. He perceived himself as the probe. But was he hallucinating? That wouldn't be very useful for the application.
@@charlesvan13 Agreed, the in-universe reasoning is tenuous at best. But that's why I put the real world "it was cheaper" first as that's what I expect really dictated the choice.
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This is one of the bad episodes of season 7.
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It would have made sense if the probe were an android body that he was interfaced with. But as it is, he's perceiving hands, feet, and other body parts that aren't there.
WTF is Starfleet doing where losing entire ships and their crew without a trace is so normal that everybody immediately assumes they're all dead and moves on? Slapping Geordi with a permanent reprimand on his Starfleet record was ridiculous after all the flagrant insubordination Beverly got away with in 'Suspicions'. Geordi was dumb, but at least he thought he was saving his mother and 300 people on board the Hera from certain death. Beverly took far greater risks just to satisfy her own curiosity and didn't even get a slap on the wrist!
7 of 9 *does* decide Voyager is involved in a conspiracy she must stop that one time she goes full Q Anon
Did you add 4 minutes of him looking at a blank screen? These newer ones are not as good as the original episodes reviews
Uh actually they cut it down from 5 minutes, be more grateful.
@@Doomclown lol
Thats his mother? She looks younger than him.
Season 7: the year they ran out of ideas
Yer damn right I watched all five minutes.
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Geordi is creepy. I'm with Nick on this one. A hard F. In fact, all Geordi episodes are dreadfully awful.
Yes, I did sit through the entire thing. :)
did u really need to show that seen that many times ?
What was messed up about Riker’s mother’s death was how his father didn’t tell him about her until he was five years old. What kind of father is that not telling their child what happened to their mother who just died? Or maybe divorced him and was never coming home (Malcolm in the Middle thing)? Even if he doesn’t get someone like a counselor or a therapist to help him out some with talking to his son like when he’s like three? Well what I say about this episode: Pathetic script, things that hardly made sense, I don’t know this episode was 100% dumb 😠 👎 .
This was one of the worst episodes of the series. I mean F might be a bit much but E is justified.
If this is an F, there are going to be a lot of F's this season. I wouldn't go F, because there's nowhere to go below that, but D-. Entirely forgettable, out of character, character-damaging nonsense. If your entire episode relies on technobabble to move the plot, you have nothing. That's the problem with engineering-centric episodes. But Sub Rosa, Journey's End etc deserve to be a tier below this auto-pilot, but not offensively bad, garbage.
I love how we have thinner computer monitors 300 years earlier than this is set, plus, how do navigate the thing with only one button?
I liked this episode quite a bit.
Okay. We get it. Too much on the Data staring at the monitor bit. I'm out.
You have a forward/skip button on your UA-cam, right..?
Making fun of anything season 7 of TNG is low hanging fruit. I don't know if you got a video for Emergence, but you should have plenty of flimsy little non-sensical details and plagued with plotholes.
LMFAO
Meh. The Data scene edit was a choice... it wasn't a good choice, but I get it.
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4:20 😂
The looping Data staring bit was really dumb.
Yeah.......I'm gonna have to unsubscribe
You didn't have to go along with that bit about the five minutes, you know.
You're just as much to blame.
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Why dd you leave Data looking at the screen for a whole 5 minutes of your video? Do you need editing lessons? or was this a joke?
That was the actual scene from the show
It was supposed to be a joke. Though I sometimes wonder if they're trying to see just how bad they can make these and still have people watch them!
I mean, I get it, the episode was a really bad one too but I suppose TNG at least has the excuse of being a 1980's/90's show 😌
Dudes! Seriously? That Data staring at the screen thing really made me annoyed at you, not Star Trek. The joke was played too long.
So just chill and fast forward it ffs… 🙄
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I hated this episode lmao
Yeah, this script was written somewhat badly.
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12:32 the curtains look more like middle fingers sticking up 😳🤯🤣