I dont understand why people say that narutos lightning or elemental jutsu scale equal with real world elements when its been proven false the fact is if a naruto character using lightning its much faster than regular lighting even water style has been shown to catch meteors and destroy them while falling while normal water doesn't move at that scale it would evaporate not only that we should take the black clover example and bleach example you dont scale speed by how it looks but what other people way weaker have done basically off scaling which is based
i mean the databook has varies statements saying things are light speed, and what not. plus kakashi even as a fatigued child ran up a cliff and chopped a lightning bolt in half. (natural lightning bolt not one made from charka)
How has it been proven false? By whom? That is one character's interpretation and nothing about charka natures suggest they're mere imitations but actually the element they represent. For example Lighting in Naruto conjure by charka have all the properties of electricity. >Electrolysis (When Sarada uses it to defeat an enemy) >Making Muscles Contract (Sasuke uese this against Yamato) >Flowing through conducted materials (Conducting through water, numerous times) >It doesn't even work against rubber (When Sasuke's electric enhance sowrd fails against Lava Style Rubber Wall)
@@DHworldwide185 yeah I'm not saying they don't have the properties of the original element but they are clearly stronger and faster Example Gaaras sand catching light speed and above characters or moving at Mach speed are we going to say it's dirt level because it's made out of dirt no so why would you say a character is lightning level or relativistic just because there using lightning you should obviously up scale from people with feats they should scale above
With Minato vs Kurama, I’m just gonna say this; if Minato lost that clash, Kushina would have started rampaging the village. Not saying I think he scales to that, but it’s just something to think about.
The same Kurama that couldn’t destroy half of a village and yet they meat ride tf out of Kurama turn the world to ash statement when it’s obviously hyperbole
@@thegreaterconsciousness5997 well this time, they wouldn’t have Minato to teleport Bijuu Bombs from destroying the village, since he hasn’t mastered FTG, yet
@thegreaterconsciousness5997 im sorry, isn't it the same TB that was teleported away from the village. Clearly, with all the power kurama has, it's a backup statement.
I think it's kinda disingenuous to take that "splinter" feat😂 Minato in that same incident was hitting Rasengans, which at the very least impact AOE, plus if the durability was actually that low, Obito would have ended him relatively easily...
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Haki (Intermediate Kenbunshoku, Intermediate Busoshoku), Expert Swordsman, Proficient Marksman (Trained by Gladius in sharpshooting), Pressure Points (Trained in Lao G's martial arts style), Spatial Manipulation (Has the capacity to create a spherical territory, a "Room", where he has complete control over the placement and orientation of the objects inside. Anything caught within the path of Law's sword-swing is spatially displaced. This would also negate convetional regeneration as this attack doesn't physically damage his opponents.), Telekinesis (Can telekinetically manipulate any object and anyone he cuts within his room), Biological Manipulation (He can seemingly separate an opponent's limb from their body while keeping the connection intact [feeling, nerves, muscle movements, etc], but this allows Law to freely control the severed pieces from an object or person while doing no harm to it. He can however choose to damage these severed objects with physical strikes or offensive abilities, or attach them to walls or other objects as a means to incapacitate his opponent), Power Nullification (The hearts that Law push out with Mes lose the ability to use a logia's innate transformation ability, making it to where anyone can make contact with them. Can disable Devil Fruit powers with Radio Knife), Teleportation with Shambles (Can freely switch himself with any object or person in his Room, or any object with another object), Soul Manipulation (Can switch the souls and personalities of people inside his Room), Forcefield Creation with Curtain, Durability Negation with Gamma Knife, Electricity Manipulation (Several of his techniques generate and weaponize electricity), Enhanced Senses and Information Analysis with Scan (Can scan targets inside his ROOM using his fruit's energy and beaming it through the crowd, like an X-ray machine), Radiation Manipulation with Gamma Knife and Radio Knife, Power Bestowal (Can give eternal life to another person, but only at the cost of his own life), Limited Size Manipulation and Intangibility via K-room (Law can cover his sword in a sphere of energy, causing it to increase in size at will, at the same time it passes through any matter without dealing piercing damage), Damage Boost (The deeper his sword goes through the opponent's body in K-room, the greater is the damage applied to the opponent), Non-Physical Interaction (Damaged Misery by cutting her in half with a casual sword swing), Limited Sound Manipulation (Via R-room - Able to completely mute anything inside his Room), Limited Vibration Manipulation (Seen as he affected Misery's entire giant body with a single sword swing, also shown in K-room explosions), Resistance to Madness Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation via Willpower (Through sheer willpower they can resist losing their mind when absorbing shadows through the Kage Kage no Mi. Shadows belonging to strong willed people are difficult to control, allowing them to rebel against Moria's pact which usually immediately submits a shadow to his supremacy and orders. Spiritual energy is contained within one's soul/life; this energy is represented by the fighting power or the Haki itself. Those with strong souls, which are homologous to shadows, resist the effects of Brook's soul manipulation) Attack Potency: Island level (Comparable to Smoker, as he blocked several of Smoker's attacks casually and matched his Attack Potency[Statistics Values 1]) | Island level+ (Far stronger than before. Drew blood from Doflamingo with a failed Scalpel to his face[Statistics Values 2]), higher with Kikoku (Far stronger than before. Stopped the movement of one of Fujitora's meteors with the force of a single slash) | Multi-Continent level, possibly Moon level (His Takt made Base Kaido scream in pain[1], and it later injured a Lifespan-Amplified Big Mom and made her scream in pain[2]. Wounded Big Mom with a Counter Shock on multiple occasions[3][4]. Made Hybrid Form Kaidou spit up blood with an Injection Shot[5]. Briefly fought a lifespan amplified Big Mom off-screen alongside Kidd[6], but was eventually overpowered[Statistics Values 3]), far higher, possibly Moon level+ with K-room (Made Big Mom spit blood, broke her bones and made her wary of him. Could clash against Blackbeard's quake bubble, and was capable of injuring Blackbeard and making him cough up blood[7][Statistics Values 4]) Speed: At least Relativistic+ (Kept up in a fight against Smoker and chopped Vergo in half before he could harm him. Two years prior, he did this while off guard) | At least Relativistic+ (Kept up with Doflamingo. Blocked several hits from him and tagged him on several occasions) | FTL+ (Could tag Hybrid Kaidou with his Injection Shot, then blocked his strike. Dodged hits from Big Mom's Homies off-screen) Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Comparable to Smoker) | At least Class T (Doflamingo couldn't overpower Law's grip on his sword) | At least Class E (Clashed evenly with Gura Gura no Mi Blackbeard without faltering) Striking Strength: Island level | Island level+ (Can harm Doflamingo with his bare hands), higher with Kikoku (Drew blood from Doflamingo while he was using Haki to defend himself) | Multi-Continent level, possibly Moon level Durability: Island level (Took numerous Haki-infused punches and kicks from Vergo, and got up soon after with only superficial injuries despite Vergo also squeezing Law's heart in his hand), higher with Haki, Continent level+, possibly Moon level with Kikoku[Statistics Values 5] | Island level+ (Scaling to his Striking Strength, as he can wound Doflamingo with his bare hand), higher with Haki (Blocked attacks from Doflamingo while he was using the Ito Ito no Mi), Continent level+, possibly Moon level with Kikoku | Continent level+, possibly Moon level (Took a Heavenly Bonbon[8] and a Stolen Fire[4] from Prometheus and a Tenman Daijizai Tenjin strike from Zeus[9]. Although he noticeably felt pain, he took several attacks from a desperate lifespan amped Big Mom while she was using Busōshoku Haki[10]. Was hit by a Haoshoku-Infused Thunder Bagua from Hybrid Kaido and got up mere moments later, although it did notably injure him[5]. Took many attacks off-screen from a lifespan-amplified Big Mom, and while he was momentarily incapacitated, he got up mere moments later[Statistics Values 6]), higher with Curtain (Blocked a strike from Hybrid Form Kaidou[5]) or with Kikoku (Scaling to his attack potency) Stamina: Superhuman (Despite having been grievously injured and poisoned by several lead bullets in an earlier fight, Law could continue fighting in near-perfect condition. Has powered through several impalement wounds to the torso, and despite having one of his arms sawed off, he could still fight to some extent. Despite the stamina drain of his Awakened Devil Fruit attacks [and having taken a Thunder Bagua from Kaido earlier], he was still able to use 3 Awakened Attacks during his fight with Big Mom despite enduring many hits from her and her Homies during the battle, even having enough energy remaining after the third attack to slice her Homie Misery in two) Range: Several Meters with his blade, Kilometers with his Room Standard Equipment: Kikoku Intelligence: At least Gifted. (A very crafty and opportunistic leader, he is extremely intelligent both in and out of battle. Expert combatant, skilled in the field of deception and goading his opponent, highly accomplished doctor (His medical prowess saved Jinbe's and Luffy's lives after the Marineford Battle), Devised a plan to topple one of the four strongest pirates with a 30% success rate.)
Amputate (アンピュテート, Anpyutēto): Law typically uses his Devil Fruit powers together with his swordsmanship, making his sword a "scalpel" of sorts while his powers are active. This makes his Room slashes akin to spatial slicing, as they ignore the defenses of an opponent and appear to take effect instantaneously in the direction of his cut within the Room. On the flip-side, while able to dismember people, his Room slashes doesn't cause any actual harm. Nothing has been shown the ability to stop this outside of highly developed haki or sea-stone. Shambles (シャンブルズ Shanburuzu): Within the space created from Room, Law can separate the pieces of those targets and rearrange those pieces to his liking, causing massive confusion to his opponents. Law can also use this to re-direct incoming projectiles. He can use this ability to swap the consciousness of those within his Room and even use it to swap places with an object or another person in a sort of teleportation. Mes (メス, Mesu): Law is able to expel a heart from his opponent's body. Though this temporarily incapacitates the victim, it doesn't cause any lethal harm. Has so far only shown the capacity to do this within close proximity. Scan (スキャン, Sukyan): The user scans people inside the ROOM by channeling his sword with the energy of the fruit and radiating his blade, using it as an X-ray machine. This allows him to see the location of items anywhere in the scanned person, selectively pushing away any item that the individual may be carrying. Injection Shot (インジェクション）ショット, Injekushon Shotto): While aiming at their target, the user rushes toward them with the sword extended, in order to stab them. Once the sword catches the target, the user "fires" it as a weapon, causing the victim to bleed in the targeted spot and pushes them at a medium distance. Ope no Mi's main ability to cut objects at a distance can be accomplished with this technique, piercing the target without having to touch it with the sword, although the attack can be blocked by reaching the side of the blade. Radio Knife (ラジオナイフ, Rajio Naifu): An advanced version of Amputate. The user charges his sword with electricity in a manner similar to Counter Shock and then cuts off his enemy quickly, which results in the target being separated into several linear pieces while also being electrocuted. The cut itself, as occurs regularly with the fruit's abilities, is not harmful; however, if it differs from normal by preventing the target from being able to retake the split parts of his body, becoming a counterattack to abilities able to bypass the regular amputation techniques of Ope Ope no Mi. Tact (タクト, Takuto): The user uses his ability to levitate an object within the ROOM in a telekinetic manner. To use this technique, the user performs a lifting motion with the index finger (pointing up). The power of this technique seems to neglect the weight and volume of the object inside the ROOM, proving powerful enough to lift a Navy warship. It is also possible to use Takt to ascend rocks from the ground to impale enemies. Sterben (死の刀ステルベン Suteruben): After using Tact on his sword, Law makes it spin and launches it towards the enemy. Counter Shock (カウンターショック, Kauntā Shokku): Law puts both hands to his opponent's chest and seemingly sends a surge of electricity through them in a manner similar to a reverse defibrillator, keeping in tune with the operating room theme of his techniques. Gamma Knife (ガンマナイフ, Ganma Naifu): Law creates a blade of energy to attack his enemies. This technique is capable of inflicting internal damage without causing external wounds. This was also Law's ultimate technique and strategy against Doflamingo. This attack can kill a person when hit within some time. Unless a person can internally heal himself.
This is a severe low ball for minato. Not just the raikage is light speed, haku at full power is stated to be able to move at light speed, darui has a jutsu called "laser circus", which just shoots lasers. Itachi has a jutsu called watter bullet that is stated to be light speed, kirin is stated the be light speed too, with it not being actual lightning. Even kakashi as a kid probably cut the return storke of lightning, which would be 1/3 the speed of light, which minato obviously scales vastly above. Minato scales over all these characters in speed accept for itachi, so he's just blatantly FTL. His AP should also be Multi-continental too due to a ton of calcs. I like the law scaling, but I think minato was really downplayed ngl
None of the feats you mentioned scale to Minato lmao especially not in terms of combat speed but leave it to ppl who don’t know what they’re talking about to bring up these fears over and over again without doing any research
@@sbthesage2100 are you saying that haku, kinkaku and ginkaku who reacted to laser circus, would bliz minato? An itachi on his death bed reacted to kirin too, which is at the very least the return stroke of lightning, being 1/3 the speed of light, though it's directly stated to be the speed of light. If you're saying I didn't do research, why didn't you mention these feats and statements in the video? If you knew about these things I mentioned, you would at the very least say minato is confidently 1/3 the speed of light, even though that's a kid kakashi feat or low balled kirin feat, which was done when sasuke had no chakra. At least admit you don't know about them, or didn't bring them up for some reason or the other, or try to say why you don't agree with them at the very least. It just seems disingenuous to cast them aside, when most scalers use this meta, which pretty consistently shown with the faster characters in the series
@@JARMIDz why is Kirin at the very least as fast as the return stroke of lighting 💀 what suggests that do you know what a return stroke is because it has nothing to do with the speed of the lighting as it’s coming down
I always rely on VSbattle data, I do not do it blindly as in some cases I see them too literal or exaggerated. And in this case no version of minato, with or without edo tensei and kurama will garania to Law, Law is much much faster as we could downgrade Law to a Relativist +, when the fastest version of minato is sub-relativist, but even if we level the speeds it's still a meaningless battle as Law is superior in everything. In power Law wins because without haki law has no limit in what his cut can do, so no kunai or chakra or anything will prevent law to cut something if it is within his Room or even easier if he uses his K-room that would allow his cuts always deny the durability and be impossible to defend without haki, and even though minato has the same speed he doesn't even have the observation haki that law has, which would allow him to easily detect where minato is at all times so teleporting infinitely hoping to disorient law would be useless. And minato has no power or anything that can damage Law, no kunai could do much damage to Law, neither the rasengan, nor any common fist or biju-dama, being that Law withstood attacks of kaido and big mom who are easily scaled to continental and more, I do not think they are planetary, at most with scale to lunar power but I still see it exaggerated. But anyway Law withstood all that, and let's not forget that with his room he can heal and fix any wound, so he can afford to extend the battle as much as he wants, but minato can't heal anything and if he has chakra limit or at least the version without the kyubi.
According to Vs Wiki Base/Sage Minato: Island Level and Sub Relativistic KCM Minato: Country Level and Relativistic Pre Timeskip Law: Island Level and Relativistic+ Post Timeskip Law: Continental to Moon Level and FTL
Tbh this isn't exactly wrong. The only thing questionable here is DC but even Continental has good bases. Said nothing wrong about speed, that's for sure.
@sbthesage2100 ehhhhh. Kcm minato probably is. Base minato is hard to scale. You could argue country level. His win con is mainly just being to teleport law into the bottom of the ocean which would neg his devil fruit...although...his sealing could possibly just seal the devil fruit so idk. Completely ambiguous there
1:36 tbf this probably doesnt scale as its due to laws hacks bypassing big moms defensives rather then his actual AP being that high. this is a dura neg feat more so then a AP feat.
Never in a million years would I put these two together. I kind of like it. I thought Law's best opponent from Naruto would be like Pain or Tsunade. At a first glance I have Law winning because I now believe Pre timeskip characters reaching FTL.
Even if I'm of the belief that the raikage statements was hyperbolic you still could get Minato to ftl+ via kirin which is stated to be light speed in both the data books and the fan book another way to get Minato to ftl is to scale him to Guy who perception blitz kid Sasuke who could react and perceive haku go in and out of his mirrors which is stated multiple to be light speed But W video
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Law bfr for the win his room easily encapsulates up to a whole island level range if not beyond that and his attacks in room don’t travel any distance so there seemingly instantaneous and bypasses most conventional durability to the point even against those who are resistant to dura neg still can’t outright tank his attacks. Law can snatch his heart out of his chest the moment the fight begins so I’ll take law equal stats or not
Kizaru doesn't need to accelerate to go light speed. He was using acceleration on light speed to go faster. Prove is simple light speed lasers was slow for base post ts Luffy meanwhile kizaru blitzed current Luffy with fs.
Minato was able to stay standing after taking multiple attacks from a full-tailed Version 2 Kurama whilst even one slash from a four-tailed half Kurama was able to paralyze Sakura. The splinter was accelerated with Obito's explosive tags much like any other projectile. As noted by Dodai one must also have the means to actually withstand the force of their own chakra when observing Naruto failing to form a bijūdama, which B notes is essentially comparable to a Rasengan in nature. The Lariat statement is not in the third databook, it is in the fourth. Even without the Lariat Kakashi was able to intercept the Fang Bullet said to move as fast as light, should be superior to the AnBu who are said to move at the speed of light, and so on.
Kizaru... Accelerated at the speed of light... What? Like accelerated to the speed of light? Bro what even??? Light is constant. That means he would go from Light speed point blank period and if he's accelerating he's moving faster... I leave for a min and you're being disingenuous to OP again. Law will utterly blitz Minato that it's not even funny.
I also don’t disagree with you and if you wanted to say kizaru is slightly faster than light than I also don’t disagree I even said I think there’s FTL characters in one piece while using a clip of him and Rayleigh fighting
@@sbthesage2100 Ok. Well I'm going to just sit here with this simple thought. Why would Kizaru need to get distance to gain the momentum to do a Kick at a speed he can fire point blank. Imma just let you think about that one for a sec.
@@MrSkullkid15 idk bro could be a lot of reasons and I don’t really care either but I think my point stands of him accelerating at light speed because it’s literally stated and if you think he’s going faster than that that’s cool too 😭
@@sbthesage2100He literally does the same thing to Sentomaru chapters before and he straight up intercepts or reacts. Never needed to accelerate any time before to perform a light speed kick but some how he just started accelerating to Light Speed. Sale that to Narutards cool
I don't get why ur assuming that Kizaru is moving at only the speed of light. It's a lowball that just wouldn't make sense since acceleration is the change in distance over time, and if it was only the acceleration of light then it would take a fraction of a second for him to reach Luffy, meaning Kizaru wouldn't even have traveled at the speed of light to reach Luffy. It just doesn't make sense for Luffy to get blitzed if Kizaru was accelerating at only the speed of light when we know that Luffy is much faster than light, especially in Gear 4 Snakeman. So it doesn't really make sense for u to compare this to Laws speed to say he is not as fast as light. But u said that he was comparable to rooftop base Luffy for speed, so that would make him the speed of light at the very least.
Law can also swo people's souls and even remove your heart from your body to use as leverage against his enemies. You didn't mension that law can now throw his room onto his opponents and use hus ability from afar
Its literal brawler vs tactician it kind of one way and predictable although Kizaru can take him. I'd prefer this matchup because it does not matter who has more win scenarios but who attacks first
Did mans just say minato durability is splinter level? Oh nahhhh we not bout to use that as a anti feat for minato when was able to survive the clash with the full nine tails 😂
How does this counteract the fact that he was injured by a splinter. Also you’re failing to mention several key factors about that interaction but ofc there are gonna be ppl like you who take everything at face value
@@sbthesage2100You are just taking the Minato scaling a bit too low, in DB if someone got hit by a rock and they felt pain means that there durability is wall level? Reduce your bias opinion
@@sbthesage2100minato got a whole punch in his stomach by a what i think 4 tails kushina and a 4 tails kushina is a 8 tails naruto before he got both halves of kurama
@@Sasuke_06 what better durability feat has minato shown 💀 also this isint dragon ball and minato didn’t have his guard down the only person who’s bias is you
I think using kizaru to say someone is not light speed is the worst way to do it bcuz devil fruits get stronger with their user n the pascifistas n seraphim both shoot out light beams ripped straight from his devil fruit at different points in the story n the pascifistas have a less powerful form of it since everyone in the new world can bully em now but the seraphim can go head to head with yonko’s meaning they’re way stronger than the pascifistas n then kizaru is way stronger than both at this point in the story sure kizaru is the light light man but it’s never stated he only moves light speed with the devil fruit he can definitely travel but characters can see the light beam’s just can’t react to him
Yeah but law would probably slice em up lol I also don’t think minato would ever summon the toads for non giant creatures tho which is why I didn’t mention them
Ngl both are easily at the very least ftl, especially law. I wouldnt really say kizaru caps the speed of the verse as while his base speed is lightspeed there is no reason he wouldnt be able to speed up when he is actually trying. As for Minato he gets there mainly upscaling from characters like kakashi and kcm naruto
Why does law scale to kizaru at all 😂 and no we haven’t seen that kizaru can “speed up” nor did I say he was the peak of the verse in speed. However the fact of the matter is we’ve seen him outspeed luffy who is one of the strongest and fastest characters in the show while traveling in his light form so to say law is easily FTl is crazy when Luffy out scales him in speed
@@sbthesage2100 It's in the panel as he transforms from a straightline beam to a warped flash of light with effects to signify he sped up. Yes we did see it
@@sbthesage2100 ppl try to say that each luffy gear is a 10 times speed multiplier, and then use him dodging Enel's lightning in base to get him to 10000x the speed of light or something stupid. then they say law scales to this luffy and is therefore also 10000x the speed of light. (these arent the exact numbers they use but that is their core argument.) the main problem with this is that it was never once stated that each one of luffy gears grants him a massive speed boost. in fact its been proven that gear 3 is actually slower then gear 2 but much stronger. ppl for whatever reason feel the need to treat the gears like each one is a super Saiyan form boost in terms of stat gains.
What kinetic energy fears does minato have lmao cause if you’re trying to imply he’s tanking the counter force of his Rasengan bc that’s not accurate there basically gernades nit extensions of his physical capabilities. Moreover how does this disprove the fact that he couldn’t tank a splinter is the splinter some how special lol ?
@@YoungShonen why does that inherently change the nature of the attack and why haven’t you explained why minato couldn’t tank a splinter it’s almost like you’re not addressing anything that goes against your uniformed opinion
I agree I would just like to bring knowledge to the minato vs kurama fight they were both weakened and minato had been stabbed through the chest so I think the continental meta is very valid
@@sbthesage2100 I dont agree with the planetary statement but i think minato and kurama had equal nerfs i feel like a good midball should be multi country level minato
Even so, it’s still the full Nine Tails he clashed with, with only the help of a teenage Kushina, vs War Arc Sage Naruto fighting half of the Nine Tails with an adult Kushina weakening him as well as Bee helping him in the beginning of the fight. It’s still very impressive, nonetheless.
when luffy got blitzed by kizaru in gear 4, kizaru actually accelerated BEYOND the speed of light
That boruto pfp made it clear that he was going low the fuck out of OP verse
@@SaurabhYadav-bd3wq what boruto pfp? What are you talking about
It was mistranslate I think
My version of the panel is
After all, acceleration is power
But other people like UA-camrs
After all, speed is power
Law may be fast but when minato finds the child support check he would run even faster
I dont understand why people say that narutos lightning or elemental jutsu scale equal with real world elements when its been proven false the fact is if a naruto character using lightning its much faster than regular lighting even water style has been shown to catch meteors and destroy them while falling while normal water doesn't move at that scale it would evaporate not only that we should take the black clover example and bleach example you dont scale speed by how it looks but what other people way weaker have done basically off scaling which is based
i mean the databook has varies statements saying things are light speed, and what not. plus kakashi even as a fatigued child ran up a cliff and chopped a lightning bolt in half. (natural lightning bolt not one made from charka)
How has it been proven false? By whom? That is one character's interpretation and nothing about charka natures suggest they're mere imitations but actually the element they represent. For example Lighting in Naruto conjure by charka have all the properties of electricity.
>Electrolysis (When Sarada uses it to defeat an enemy)
>Making Muscles Contract (Sasuke uese this against Yamato)
>Flowing through conducted materials (Conducting through water, numerous times)
>It doesn't even work against rubber (When Sasuke's electric enhance sowrd fails against Lava Style Rubber Wall)
@@DHworldwide185 yeah I'm not saying they don't have the properties of the original element but they are clearly stronger and faster
Example Gaaras sand catching light speed and above characters or moving at Mach speed are we going to say it's dirt level because it's made out of dirt no so why would you say a character is lightning level or relativistic just because there using lightning you should obviously up scale from people with feats they should scale above
With Minato vs Kurama, I’m just gonna say this; if Minato lost that clash, Kushina would have started rampaging the village. Not saying I think he scales to that, but it’s just something to think about.
Pretty sure it was implied to be a draw
The same Kurama that couldn’t destroy half of a village and yet they meat ride tf out of Kurama turn the world to ash statement when it’s obviously hyperbole
@@thegreaterconsciousness5997 well this time, they wouldn’t have Minato to teleport Bijuu Bombs from destroying the village, since he hasn’t mastered FTG, yet
@thegreaterconsciousness5997 im sorry, isn't it the same TB that was teleported away from the village. Clearly, with all the power kurama has, it's a backup statement.
I think it's kinda disingenuous to take that "splinter" feat😂
Minato in that same incident was hitting Rasengans, which at the very least impact AOE, plus if the durability was actually that low, Obito would have ended him relatively easily...
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yo bro, that sounds like a great matchup
@@Gayle1629 bro, that's what I'm saying🤔
Powers and Abilities: Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Haki (Intermediate Kenbunshoku, Intermediate Busoshoku), Expert Swordsman, Proficient Marksman (Trained by Gladius in sharpshooting), Pressure Points (Trained in Lao G's martial arts style), Spatial Manipulation (Has the capacity to create a spherical territory, a "Room", where he has complete control over the placement and orientation of the objects inside. Anything caught within the path of Law's sword-swing is spatially displaced. This would also negate convetional regeneration as this attack doesn't physically damage his opponents.), Telekinesis (Can telekinetically manipulate any object and anyone he cuts within his room), Biological Manipulation (He can seemingly separate an opponent's limb from their body while keeping the connection intact [feeling, nerves, muscle movements, etc], but this allows Law to freely control the severed pieces from an object or person while doing no harm to it. He can however choose to damage these severed objects with physical strikes or offensive abilities, or attach them to walls or other objects as a means to incapacitate his opponent), Power Nullification (The hearts that Law push out with Mes lose the ability to use a logia's innate transformation ability, making it to where anyone can make contact with them. Can disable Devil Fruit powers with Radio Knife), Teleportation with Shambles (Can freely switch himself with any object or person in his Room, or any object with another object), Soul Manipulation (Can switch the souls and personalities of people inside his Room), Forcefield Creation with Curtain, Durability Negation with Gamma Knife, Electricity Manipulation (Several of his techniques generate and weaponize electricity), Enhanced Senses and Information Analysis with Scan (Can scan targets inside his ROOM using his fruit's energy and beaming it through the crowd, like an X-ray machine), Radiation Manipulation with Gamma Knife and Radio Knife, Power Bestowal (Can give eternal life to another person, but only at the cost of his own life), Limited Size Manipulation and Intangibility via K-room (Law can cover his sword in a sphere of energy, causing it to increase in size at will, at the same time it passes through any matter without dealing piercing damage), Damage Boost (The deeper his sword goes through the opponent's body in K-room, the greater is the damage applied to the opponent), Non-Physical Interaction (Damaged Misery by cutting her in half with a casual sword swing), Limited Sound Manipulation (Via R-room - Able to completely mute anything inside his Room), Limited Vibration Manipulation (Seen as he affected Misery's entire giant body with a single sword swing, also shown in K-room explosions), Resistance to Madness Manipulation, Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation via Willpower (Through sheer willpower they can resist losing their mind when absorbing shadows through the Kage Kage no Mi. Shadows belonging to strong willed people are difficult to control, allowing them to rebel against Moria's pact which usually immediately submits a shadow to his supremacy and orders. Spiritual energy is contained within one's soul/life; this energy is represented by the fighting power or the Haki itself. Those with strong souls, which are homologous to shadows, resist the effects of Brook's soul manipulation)
Attack Potency: Island level (Comparable to Smoker, as he blocked several of Smoker's attacks casually and matched his Attack Potency[Statistics Values 1]) | Island level+ (Far stronger than before. Drew blood from Doflamingo with a failed Scalpel to his face[Statistics Values 2]), higher with Kikoku (Far stronger than before. Stopped the movement of one of Fujitora's meteors with the force of a single slash) | Multi-Continent level, possibly Moon level (His Takt made Base Kaido scream in pain[1], and it later injured a Lifespan-Amplified Big Mom and made her scream in pain[2]. Wounded Big Mom with a Counter Shock on multiple occasions[3][4]. Made Hybrid Form Kaidou spit up blood with an Injection Shot[5]. Briefly fought a lifespan amplified Big Mom off-screen alongside Kidd[6], but was eventually overpowered[Statistics Values 3]), far higher, possibly Moon level+ with K-room (Made Big Mom spit blood, broke her bones and made her wary of him. Could clash against Blackbeard's quake bubble, and was capable of injuring Blackbeard and making him cough up blood[7][Statistics Values 4])
Speed: At least Relativistic+ (Kept up in a fight against Smoker and chopped Vergo in half before he could harm him. Two years prior, he did this while off guard) | At least Relativistic+ (Kept up with Doflamingo. Blocked several hits from him and tagged him on several occasions) | FTL+ (Could tag Hybrid Kaidou with his Injection Shot, then blocked his strike. Dodged hits from Big Mom's Homies off-screen)
Lifting Strength: At least Class T (Comparable to Smoker) | At least Class T (Doflamingo couldn't overpower Law's grip on his sword) | At least Class E (Clashed evenly with Gura Gura no Mi Blackbeard without faltering)
Striking Strength: Island level | Island level+ (Can harm Doflamingo with his bare hands), higher with Kikoku (Drew blood from Doflamingo while he was using Haki to defend himself) | Multi-Continent level, possibly Moon level
Durability: Island level (Took numerous Haki-infused punches and kicks from Vergo, and got up soon after with only superficial injuries despite Vergo also squeezing Law's heart in his hand), higher with Haki, Continent level+, possibly Moon level with Kikoku[Statistics Values 5] | Island level+ (Scaling to his Striking Strength, as he can wound Doflamingo with his bare hand), higher with Haki (Blocked attacks from Doflamingo while he was using the Ito Ito no Mi), Continent level+, possibly Moon level with Kikoku | Continent level+, possibly Moon level (Took a Heavenly Bonbon[8] and a Stolen Fire[4] from Prometheus and a Tenman Daijizai Tenjin strike from Zeus[9]. Although he noticeably felt pain, he took several attacks from a desperate lifespan amped Big Mom while she was using Busōshoku Haki[10]. Was hit by a Haoshoku-Infused Thunder Bagua from Hybrid Kaido and got up mere moments later, although it did notably injure him[5]. Took many attacks off-screen from a lifespan-amplified Big Mom, and while he was momentarily incapacitated, he got up mere moments later[Statistics Values 6]), higher with Curtain (Blocked a strike from Hybrid Form Kaidou[5]) or with Kikoku (Scaling to his attack potency)
Stamina: Superhuman (Despite having been grievously injured and poisoned by several lead bullets in an earlier fight, Law could continue fighting in near-perfect condition. Has powered through several impalement wounds to the torso, and despite having one of his arms sawed off, he could still fight to some extent. Despite the stamina drain of his Awakened Devil Fruit attacks [and having taken a Thunder Bagua from Kaido earlier], he was still able to use 3 Awakened Attacks during his fight with Big Mom despite enduring many hits from her and her Homies during the battle, even having enough energy remaining after the third attack to slice her Homie Misery in two)
Range: Several Meters with his blade, Kilometers with his Room
Standard Equipment: Kikoku
Intelligence: At least Gifted. (A very crafty and opportunistic leader, he is extremely intelligent both in and out of battle. Expert combatant, skilled in the field of deception and goading his opponent, highly accomplished doctor (His medical prowess saved Jinbe's and Luffy's lives after the Marineford Battle), Devised a plan to topple one of the four strongest pirates with a 30% success rate.)
Amputate (アンピュテート, Anpyutēto): Law typically uses his Devil Fruit powers together with his swordsmanship, making his sword a "scalpel" of sorts while his powers are active. This makes his Room slashes akin to spatial slicing, as they ignore the defenses of an opponent and appear to take effect instantaneously in the direction of his cut within the Room. On the flip-side, while able to dismember people, his Room slashes doesn't cause any actual harm. Nothing has been shown the ability to stop this outside of highly developed haki or sea-stone.
Shambles (シャンブルズ Shanburuzu): Within the space created from Room, Law can separate the pieces of those targets and rearrange those pieces to his liking, causing massive confusion to his opponents. Law can also use this to re-direct incoming projectiles. He can use this ability to swap the consciousness of those within his Room and even use it to swap places with an object or another person in a sort of teleportation.
Mes (メス, Mesu): Law is able to expel a heart from his opponent's body. Though this temporarily incapacitates the victim, it doesn't cause any lethal harm. Has so far only shown the capacity to do this within close proximity.
Scan (スキャン, Sukyan): The user scans people inside the ROOM by channeling his sword with the energy of the fruit and radiating his blade, using it as an X-ray machine. This allows him to see the location of items anywhere in the scanned person, selectively pushing away any item that the individual may be carrying.
Injection Shot (インジェクション）ショット, Injekushon Shotto): While aiming at their target, the user rushes toward them with the sword extended, in order to stab them. Once the sword catches the target, the user "fires" it as a weapon, causing the victim to bleed in the targeted spot and pushes them at a medium distance. Ope no Mi's main ability to cut objects at a distance can be accomplished with this technique, piercing the target without having to touch it with the sword, although the attack can be blocked by reaching the side of the blade.
Radio Knife (ラジオナイフ, Rajio Naifu): An advanced version of Amputate. The user charges his sword with electricity in a manner similar to Counter Shock and then cuts off his enemy quickly, which results in the target being separated into several linear pieces while also being electrocuted. The cut itself, as occurs regularly with the fruit's abilities, is not harmful; however, if it differs from normal by preventing the target from being able to retake the split parts of his body, becoming a counterattack to abilities able to bypass the regular amputation techniques of Ope Ope no Mi.
Tact (タクト, Takuto): The user uses his ability to levitate an object within the ROOM in a telekinetic manner. To use this technique, the user performs a lifting motion with the index finger (pointing up). The power of this technique seems to neglect the weight and volume of the object inside the ROOM, proving powerful enough to lift a Navy warship. It is also possible to use Takt to ascend rocks from the ground to impale enemies.
Sterben (死の刀ステルベン Suteruben): After using Tact on his sword, Law makes it spin and launches it towards the enemy.
Counter Shock (カウンターショック, Kauntā Shokku): Law puts both hands to his opponent's chest and seemingly sends a surge of electricity through them in a manner similar to a reverse defibrillator, keeping in tune with the operating room theme of his techniques.
Gamma Knife (ガンマナイフ, Ganma Naifu): Law creates a blade of energy to attack his enemies. This technique is capable of inflicting internal damage without causing external wounds. This was also Law's ultimate technique and strategy against Doflamingo. This attack can kill a person when hit within some time. Unless a person can internally heal himself.
you missed a bit of a detail while scalling law dont you think?
This is a severe low ball for minato. Not just the raikage is light speed, haku at full power is stated to be able to move at light speed, darui has a jutsu called "laser circus", which just shoots lasers. Itachi has a jutsu called watter bullet that is stated to be light speed, kirin is stated the be light speed too, with it not being actual lightning. Even kakashi as a kid probably cut the return storke of lightning, which would be 1/3 the speed of light, which minato obviously scales vastly above. Minato scales over all these characters in speed accept for itachi, so he's just blatantly FTL. His AP should also be Multi-continental too due to a ton of calcs. I like the law scaling, but I think minato was really downplayed ngl
None of the feats you mentioned scale to Minato lmao especially not in terms of combat speed but leave it to ppl who don’t know what they’re talking about to bring up these fears over and over again without doing any research
@@sbthesage2100 are you saying that haku, kinkaku and ginkaku who reacted to laser circus, would bliz minato? An itachi on his death bed reacted to kirin too, which is at the very least the return stroke of lightning, being 1/3 the speed of light, though it's directly stated to be the speed of light. If you're saying I didn't do research, why didn't you mention these feats and statements in the video? If you knew about these things I mentioned, you would at the very least say minato is confidently 1/3 the speed of light, even though that's a kid kakashi feat or low balled kirin feat, which was done when sasuke had no chakra. At least admit you don't know about them, or didn't bring them up for some reason or the other, or try to say why you don't agree with them at the very least. It just seems disingenuous to cast them aside, when most scalers use this meta, which pretty consistently shown with the faster characters in the series
@@JARMIDz I didn’t say that at all idk why you’re straw manning
@@JARMIDz why is Kirin at the very least as fast as the return stroke of lighting 💀 what suggests that do you know what a return stroke is because it has nothing to do with the speed of the lighting as it’s coming down
@@JARMIDz I don’t need to mention feats that aren’t relevant to the video it messes up the pacing
The Naruto verse planet is 6x bigger than ours from some calcs
I always rely on VSbattle data, I do not do it blindly as in some cases I see them too literal or exaggerated.
And in this case no version of minato, with or without edo tensei and kurama will garania to Law, Law is much much faster as we could downgrade Law to a Relativist +, when the fastest version of minato is sub-relativist, but even if we level the speeds it's still a meaningless battle as Law is superior in everything.
In power Law wins because without haki law has no limit in what his cut can do, so no kunai or chakra or anything will prevent law to cut something if it is within his Room or even easier if he uses his K-room that would allow his cuts always deny the durability and be impossible to defend without haki, and even though minato has the same speed he doesn't even have the observation haki that law has, which would allow him to easily detect where minato is at all times so teleporting infinitely hoping to disorient law would be useless.
And minato has no power or anything that can damage Law, no kunai could do much damage to Law, neither the rasengan, nor any common fist or biju-dama, being that Law withstood attacks of kaido and big mom who are easily scaled to continental and more, I do not think they are planetary, at most with scale to lunar power but I still see it exaggerated. But anyway Law withstood all that, and let's not forget that with his room he can heal and fix any wound, so he can afford to extend the battle as much as he wants, but minato can't heal anything and if he has chakra limit or at least the version without the kyubi.
If minato is in the room it's a wrap
According to Vs Wiki
Base/Sage Minato: Island Level and Sub Relativistic
KCM Minato: Country Level and Relativistic
Pre Timeskip Law: Island Level and Relativistic+
Post Timeskip Law: Continental to Moon Level and FTL
Very wrong
Yeah vsbw isn’t exactly known for being great. Minato is easily continental at the very least
@@ningnings_randomworld no where near Continental idk where you getting this from
Tbh this isn't exactly wrong. The only thing questionable here is DC but even Continental has good bases. Said nothing wrong about speed, that's for sure.
@sbthesage2100 ehhhhh. Kcm minato probably is. Base minato is hard to scale. You could argue country level. His win con is mainly just being to teleport law into the bottom of the ocean which would neg his devil fruit...although...his sealing could possibly just seal the devil fruit so idk. Completely ambiguous there
1:36 tbf this probably doesnt scale as its due to laws hacks bypassing big moms defensives rather then his actual AP being that high. this is a dura neg feat more so then a AP feat.
Never in a million years would I put these two together. I kind of like it. I thought Law's best opponent from Naruto would be like Pain or Tsunade. At a first glance I have Law winning because I now believe Pre timeskip characters reaching FTL.
Even if I'm of the belief that the raikage statements was hyperbolic you still could get Minato to ftl+ via kirin which is stated to be light speed in both the data books and the fan book another way to get Minato to ftl is to scale him to Guy who perception blitz kid Sasuke who could react and perceive haku go in and out of his mirrors which is stated multiple to be light speed But W video
Would you consider doing Luffy vs Naruto's opponents or vice versa? Like which Naruto could beat don Krieg and which Luffy could beat Haku or Gaara?
Yes do you wanna help sponsor the video ?
@@sbthesage2100 is it a patron tier or something? I didn't see a patreon link.
@@descendantofartorias2067 I don’t have a patreon but I have cash app and pay pal if you want to donate to the channel assure your video is made my Discord is SB the Sage if you want to get in contact privately or you can email saul96311@gmail.com if that’s easier
Law bfr for the win his room easily encapsulates up to a whole island level range if not beyond that and his attacks in room don’t travel any distance so there seemingly instantaneous and bypasses most conventional durability to the point even against those who are resistant to dura neg still can’t outright tank his attacks. Law can snatch his heart out of his chest the moment the fight begins so I’ll take law equal stats or not
this video was well made
Why this man always capping i used to value what he said till the luffy vid now he just going down the drain
Kizaru doesn't need to accelerate to go light speed. He was using acceleration on light speed to go faster.
Prove is simple light speed lasers was slow for base post ts Luffy meanwhile kizaru blitzed current Luffy with fs.
Lol, if you want to do Deathbattle then you must use best condition and prime character.
Edo tensei KCM 2 MINATO VS after wano arc law.
I thought for minatos durability, it would be him tanking kushina kyubi tail
Minato was able to stay standing after taking multiple attacks from a full-tailed Version 2 Kurama whilst even one slash from a four-tailed half Kurama was able to paralyze Sakura. The splinter was accelerated with Obito's explosive tags much like any other projectile. As noted by Dodai one must also have the means to actually withstand the force of their own chakra when observing Naruto failing to form a bijūdama, which B notes is essentially comparable to a Rasengan in nature.
The Lariat statement is not in the third databook, it is in the fourth. Even without the Lariat Kakashi was able to intercept the Fang Bullet said to move as fast as light, should be superior to the AnBu who are said to move at the speed of light, and so on.
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Kizaru... Accelerated at the speed of light... What? Like accelerated to the speed of light? Bro what even??? Light is constant. That means he would go from Light speed point blank period and if he's accelerating he's moving faster...
I leave for a min and you're being disingenuous to OP again. Law will utterly blitz Minato that it's not even funny.
Constant speed is still accelerating all acceleration is is change in velocity not speed
I also don’t disagree with you and if you wanted to say kizaru is slightly faster than light than I also don’t disagree I even said I think there’s FTL characters in one piece while using a clip of him and Rayleigh fighting
@@sbthesage2100 Ok. Well I'm going to just sit here with this simple thought. Why would Kizaru need to get distance to gain the momentum to do a Kick at a speed he can fire point blank.
Imma just let you think about that one for a sec.
@@MrSkullkid15 idk bro could be a lot of reasons and I don’t really care either but I think my point stands of him accelerating at light speed because it’s literally stated and if you think he’s going faster than that that’s cool too 😭
@@sbthesage2100He literally does the same thing to Sentomaru chapters before and he straight up intercepts or reacts. Never needed to accelerate any time before to perform a light speed kick but some how he just started accelerating to Light Speed. Sale that to Narutards cool
I don't get why ur assuming that Kizaru is moving at only the speed of light. It's a lowball that just wouldn't make sense since acceleration is the change in distance over time, and if it was only the acceleration of light then it would take a fraction of a second for him to reach Luffy, meaning Kizaru wouldn't even have traveled at the speed of light to reach Luffy. It just doesn't make sense for Luffy to get blitzed if Kizaru was accelerating at only the speed of light when we know that Luffy is much faster than light, especially in Gear 4 Snakeman. So it doesn't really make sense for u to compare this to Laws speed to say he is not as fast as light. But u said that he was comparable to rooftop base Luffy for speed, so that would make him the speed of light at the very least.
Law can also swo people's souls and even remove your heart from your body to use as leverage against his enemies. You didn't mension that law can now throw his room onto his opponents and use hus ability from afar
Great video. Kizaru vs Minato will be ever better to see
I think he already made that
@@ianrowen8560 show me the video please
Its literal brawler vs tactician it kind of one way and predictable although Kizaru can take him.
I'd prefer this matchup because it does not matter who has more win scenarios but who attacks first
I got law just because he's respectfully betta 💀
Bro is talking rubbish 😢😢
Did mans just say minato durability is splinter level? Oh nahhhh we not bout to use that as a anti feat for minato when was able to survive the clash with the full nine tails 😂
How does this counteract the fact that he was injured by a splinter. Also you’re failing to mention several key factors about that interaction but ofc there are gonna be ppl like you who take everything at face value
@@sbthesage2100You are just taking the Minato scaling a bit too low, in DB if someone got hit by a rock and they felt pain means that there durability is wall level? Reduce your bias opinion
@@Sasuke_06facts
@@sbthesage2100minato got a whole punch in his stomach by a what i think 4 tails kushina and a 4 tails kushina is a 8 tails naruto before he got both halves of kurama
@@Sasuke_06 what better durability feat has minato shown 💀 also this isint dragon ball and minato didn’t have his guard down the only person who’s bias is you
Before watching video, base Minato blitz, and one shots him.
I think using kizaru to say someone is not light speed is the worst way to do it bcuz devil fruits get stronger with their user n the pascifistas n seraphim both shoot out light beams ripped straight from his devil fruit at different points in the story n the pascifistas have a less powerful form of it since everyone in the new world can bully em now but the seraphim can go head to head with yonko’s meaning they’re way stronger than the pascifistas n then kizaru is way stronger than both at this point in the story sure kizaru is the light light man but it’s never stated he only moves light speed with the devil fruit he can definitely travel but characters can see the light beam’s just can’t react to him
Thid is gonna be fun 😁
Do you think the summonings would help
Yeah but law would probably slice em up lol I also don’t think minato would ever summon the toads for non giant creatures tho which is why I didn’t mention them
Ngl both are easily at the very least ftl, especially law. I wouldnt really say kizaru caps the speed of the verse as while his base speed is lightspeed there is no reason he wouldnt be able to speed up when he is actually trying. As for Minato he gets there mainly upscaling from characters like kakashi and kcm naruto
Why does law scale to kizaru at all 😂 and no we haven’t seen that kizaru can “speed up” nor did I say he was the peak of the verse in speed. However the fact of the matter is we’ve seen him outspeed luffy who is one of the strongest and fastest characters in the show while traveling in his light form so to say law is easily FTl is crazy when Luffy out scales him in speed
@@sbthesage2100 It's in the panel as he transforms from a straightline beam to a warped flash of light with effects to signify he sped up. Yes we did see it
@@sbthesage2100 go amd read egghead again and why as kizaru was travelling as light he was able to speed up smh
Saying kizaru caps at light speed is like saying smoker caps at smoke speed ..its funny
@@MrSkullkid15 yes I apologize he does speed up
You just skip over one of laws most broken techniques amputate especially against someone who isnt able to use haki.
I did it’s a base ope ope no mi ability he can control the physical configuration of other people just didn’t mention it by name
Pls do monster garou vs Naruto
Law is easily multi continent and ftl you are downplaying terribly 💀
He’s not multi Continental that’s for sure 😭 FTL is debatable but not imo I’m pretty confident I could beat anyone in a FTL one piece debate
@@sbthesage2100 ppl try to say that each luffy gear is a 10 times speed multiplier, and then use him dodging Enel's lightning in base to get him to 10000x the speed of light or something stupid. then they say law scales to this luffy and is therefore also 10000x the speed of light. (these arent the exact numbers they use but that is their core argument.)
the main problem with this is that it was never once stated that each one of luffy gears grants him a massive speed boost. in fact its been proven that gear 3 is actually slower then gear 2 but much stronger. ppl for whatever reason feel the need to treat the gears like each one is a super Saiyan form boost in terms of stat gains.
how about the minato solo novel
W
Just kinetic energy and chakra it’s self disproves minato being a glass canon💀
What kinetic energy fears does minato have lmao cause if you’re trying to imply he’s tanking the counter force of his Rasengan bc that’s not accurate there basically gernades nit extensions of his physical capabilities. Moreover how does this disprove the fact that he couldn’t tank a splinter is the splinter some how special lol ?
@@sbthesage2100 moving at his speed would impact the force he tank chakra being partially physical energy is a dead give away
@@YoungShonen no it’s not him and the Rasengan are like an rpg with minato being the propeller and the Rasengan being the explosive/grenade
@@sbthesage2100 and how is that rasengan fueled chakra what is chakra physical and spiritual energy
@@YoungShonen why does that inherently change the nature of the attack and why haven’t you explained why minato couldn’t tank a splinter it’s almost like you’re not addressing anything that goes against your uniformed opinion
I disagree. Have a nice day
I agree I would just like to bring knowledge to the minato vs kurama fight they were both weakened and minato had been stabbed through the chest so I think the continental meta is very valid
Kurama was being weakened by kushinas chains and the planet statement is mistranslated the meta is whack
@@sbthesage2100 I dont agree with the planetary statement but i think minato and kurama had equal nerfs i feel like a good midball should be multi country level minato
@@xrim1139 nah his strength compared to kurama is unknown and you can’t assume they’re anywhere near equal
Even so, it’s still the full Nine Tails he clashed with, with only the help of a teenage Kushina, vs War Arc Sage Naruto fighting half of the Nine Tails with an adult Kushina weakening him as well as Bee helping him in the beginning of the fight. It’s still very impressive, nonetheless.
@@sbthesage2100 That take is idiocy kurama was weakened and minato was almost dead what sounds worse to you