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Hey S, great observations about life. Really good “red pill” discussions. I am a deeply practical person and have wondered with the advent of Medical Assisted dying for the elderly if this concept will be allowed as a humane path for those who really gave life a go, went to therapy and sought the help they need but ultimately are happy with the decision to pass on! To me it’s the ultimate final freedom for humanity. It’s really hard to debate this issue because too many people live under the “blue pill” and I think there is some capitalist control against destroying “consumers” heck even YT would probably not allow such a debate.
One thing that I have never seen commented on about Marcus Aurelius; he had a great childhood. In fact the first few pages of The Meditations is a long essay on the gratitude he feels for the people who gave him his amazing childhood. I feel that if you are going to use stoicism as a guide for life; it is helpful to have a secure attachment. Secure attachment gives an inner strength and an increased ability to make independent choices. If a child's physical, emotional and intellectual needs are met with care and consideration, this enables him to focus his own care and consideration adeptly. Without secure attachment, this is much, much harder.
I agree. Also, there's aspects to this thoughts, that I feel the average person wouldn't be able to achieve simply because he had a certain privilege of existence (access to power, money, education). Most people didn't and couldn't achieve these back then, subject to the day to day toil. It's easy to have opinions and thoughts when the observer. One of his statements about looking down at people and pondering why they worry so much, felt patronising to me as I read it, because of course he would struggle to understand as he did not go through that experience himself. This is to say, I appreciate his book and his words generally, just this particular aspect to him, I felt people overlooked.
@@moolalas130 This is a common refutation of Stoicism, but unfortunately for this narrative of ‘Stoicism is only for the rich/privileged’, some of the greatest Stoic and Cynic philosophers were slaves or homeless with no money, wealth, or power to speak of. Specifically, Epictetus was a self-described cripple who was a slave for many years in which he wrote most of his works. I apologize if this comes off in an argumentative or combative manner, I’m just trying to highlight a key misconception many people have regarding Stoicism. Stoicism is not a tool to be used to avoid hardship in an easy life, it’s a philosophy of life itself which has some side positive side effects that apply to ALL people during hardships. You mention that Marcus felt pity for those who worry, and you’ll surprisingly find almost the same exact words come from Epictetus who again, was a slave. Epictetus did not envy those who were not slaves, and felt pity for those who would lash out in anger against him. Of course Marcus was an extremely privileged individual, but he is FAR from the father of Stoicism and he remained virtuous in spite of his wealth and power. I would love to further explain any common misrepresented or misinterpreted points of Stoicism, so if you’re interested in the discussion please feel free to respond and I’ll remain as civil as possible.
Thanks for brining this up. I've come to see the importance of this in recent years too. Although the past has taken its effects on us, I find learning to exercise self-compassion might help to "re-parent" ourselves and offer a caring and safe inner environment for better choices to be made, more aligned with a happier life.
@@ski6035 My point was specifically childhood attachment and experiences. You could have been a slave and still have good parental attachment and good early socialisation.
@@9000ck I agree that there’s something to be said for philosophy being a luxury for those of privilege, if that’s what you mean generally. But then this applies to all philosophy of course and not just Stoicism. Many people DO have the time and ability to learn but simply haven’t been exposed to it due to their surroundings.
Or a testament to the fact that while society and technology has vastly changed we are still human and feel the same emotions as those 2000 years before us
@@MrMango331 What is mankind but a briefly organized stagnant pond soon to dissolve into it's constituent atoms before having the slightest clue on what the hell just happened, and no way to understand after the fact?
@MrMango331 pessimistic take. Evolution takes millions of years and thousands of iterations and we've had ~100 generations since his time? Society evolves at a breakneck speed and our brains adapt the best they can, but the ability to evolve to suit an ever changing society is like a dog chasing its tail, but the tail is getting further and further away. On a cosmological scale we are just discovering these concepts, our societies and even the abilities required to communicate concepts are still nascent in the grand scheme. Plants may appear stagnant to the naked eye, they just take time to grow, and we are not so different from them :)
Stoicism is fundamentally about aiming to act with virtue (wisdom, courage, temperance/moderation, justice) in whatever position you find yourself. My favourite quote from Meditations, because it encapsulates what living stoicly means in a practical sense, is: "Concentrate on the matter in hand and see it for what it is. Remind yourself of your duty to be a good man and rehearse what man's nature demands: then do it straight and unswerving, or say what you best think right. Always, though, in kindness, integrity, and sincerity." That, or simply: "it loved to happen"
“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.” - Marcus Aurelius
My father is a big fan of stoicism, and quite well read, which makes sense considering his career as a war journalist. But as an autist, his philosophy only made me struggle with my emotions as an adult. I feel stunted and stuck. Not caring has built up decades of pain. Only in caring was I able to start healing, especially when it came to my sensory processing. Now I started a career in humanitarian work, and as a general rule I try to care more, not less.
I'm glad you got to where you are. Even the Buddha, who taught us to let go of all attachments, still valued friendship as the entirety of his path. He Mourned when his closest friend died and took a day off teaching. He clearly CARED about people, even if he didn't allow clinging.
Stoicism isn't about not caring. That's a really sucky misinterpretation which has come up over time. None of the real Stoics, the ancient ones, would have told you simply not to care about things. While I love this channel, I think he does tend to oversimplify and omit some important details, which I understand is for general listener comprehension rather than experts. I recommend actually going straight to the source (reading M.A., Epictetus, Seneca) and cutting out what LITERALLY everyone else says about Stoicism nowadays, maybe even your dad, because the vast majority tend to misunderstand some aspect of it. Stoicism is a very caring philosophy and its wisdom on the underlying beliefs that motivate emotion inspired cognitive behavioral therapy.
@@cyrogelderbrain I didn't express myself very well. The not caring was a compounding effect of trying to be stoic. The issue is the control, ASD essentially means a lot of things that are actually pretty normal are just always too much, and I can only control so much of existence. An example that I heard most people don't experience is always feeling the texture of your clothing, how itchy I am all the time, and how some of the worse clothes feel like billions of needles digging just into the surface of my skin. And while my dad meant well, he's not uncaring, for me it meant gaslighting myself into believing everything is fine, when they obviously aren't. Not caring was the only way to be stoic for me, cause what I really needed was accomodations, acceptance, and the ability to sometimes just let everything out kinda pathetically. Add to that a theravada buddhist mom, its a household that values self-discipline over my emotions. It was better to shutdown than to meltdown, but I was just avoiding my experiences and emotions. Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of autists have had bad experiences with CBT. But I'm not sure of the research into that. It has worked wonders for a few of my NT friends, along with meditation.
@@DisgruntledPeasant Stoicism isn't about not caring about other people, it's mainly about not letting things outside of your control harm you. If you have feelings about something it's always good to sit down and evaluate if it's worth it to feel these things and if the things REALLY matter. If someone was rude on the street then that shows a flaw and weakness in them and their character and you shouldn't care about that. This is a process I think and not a switch you can flip
@@Generic_Phantom classical stoicism sure. I guess I'm talking about a popular modern form of it which does aim for not caring about anything. It's always tricky when discussing any philosophy, separating it's root ideas and the ways it is commonly practiced. The same occurs with Buddhism: early Buddhism is very very different to how many branches of modern Buddhism have turned out.
I think Marcus Aurelius had some good points, but feel short in the 'emotional processing' arena. People cannot decide to 'not care'. They can decide to be aware or unaware of their feelings. If you are unaware (compartmentalize) or minimize, then I have not seen good outcomes. Instead, those who choose awareness and nonjudgmental processing of their feelings, are the most likely to truly use those feelings to engender growth. If one feels sad, ask yourself 'why' you are sad, try to understand it, and accept the feeling, do not see the feeling itself as a sign of weakness. We cannot 'outsmart' our feelings, we really can't. So, in conclusion, his message of 'focus on what matters, don't sweat the details' is a great message, but his shades of 'just decide to not feel, outsmart caring!' is, umm, less great, lol.
That is the biggest problem with stoïcism. It tries to intellectualize too much and seems to focus more on surpressing your emotions. Which can be very harming for individuals. Next that it also KILLS vulnerability, which also means that it kills genuine human connection, something we naturally crave. Personally I learned that for me personally that Stoïcism works best in a work environment but that Eastern philosophy, where it is more focused on compassion and emotions, works best for private life.
I agree, but I think something important and wonderful about philosophy is that we can adopt that which feels most prudent to us and understand the rest was made for another person at another time. Fortunately I'm not a roman emperor and I have the time and space to lend to my feelings hahaha
I can't say I'm an EXPERT on stoicism but I think you do make some good points. I think what helps me with attaching to stoicism so much is due to my anxieties and irrational feelings, having a bit of a guideline helps me decide what matters and what doesn't. That is something maybe your comment is missing, I do believe that there are a lot of teachings from not just Marcus about reacting initially, then emotionally processing. The key is you emotionally process through a set of values guided by justice/ honor / integrity/ goodness etc, so perhaps a lot of decisions may seem less well thought out to you due to that fact? I'm unsure if I'm understanding you correctly. That being said I think that there is the element of stoicism that should be maybe more paid attention to which is "feel your initial reaction but then rationalize and think logically about it" I wouldn't say you're wrong at all but I do think the emotional processing of emotions is down to the person's responsibility. I wouldn't say the Stoic philosophy is to Not Feel, but to Feel, then Decide and React. But that's all in good faith, no desire to attack you or change your mind. Honestly I never get to come across people who don't love Stoicism so it's interesting to see other POVs.
I apply a lot of Stoic teaching to my life and I interpret it as simply observing your feelings and validating them instead of acting on them and letting them control you. I often just meditate to observe my feelings from outside my conscious mind and it helps me reason.
This man had all anyone could ever have asked for. But he really did see that life is not about power or materialistic things. And the fact that everything he wrote was to himself and not for anyone else shows that he truly believed in what he was speaking about.
i'm from india, we just had the results of two of the most competitive examinations out recently. one of which i'm preparing for and am to sit in next year. the results were unprecedented and i was panicking not too long ago while seeing the increase in cutoffs and i was feeling very hopeless, when i saw this video on my home page. and it's just what i needed, thankyou. i think i'll get back into philosophy during my year of preparation so i can make it through. anyways, thankyou stranger for reading this if you are. things will get better for both of us.
@@aradhyasingh5694 I was fortunate to give neet the previous year and got selected for a government medical college The condition of this year's aspirants is just so sad 60 marks inflation in neet was something I never dreamt
@@aradhyasingh5694 This channel helped me a lot while preparing for neet And the book meditations by Marcus Aurelius and the apps The Stoic and Zen Enso also helped me go through my anxiety
I feel like the most important line from here was that- "Anxiety and despair stem not from things themselves but from our thoughts about them"-our impressions of those things. This 'automatic understanding' or impressions prevent any real thinking or feeling from taking place which prevents the person from truly living in the present, since they're being presented with an 'already-reality'(from those impressions), their reactions(feeling) and expectations (what to think) have already been pre-determined [in this video Sisyphus gives the ex of ads]. This pattern of just accessing one's reality thru those same things(removing their need to feel or think since the impressions have already done that for them) causes suffering and disconnect. That's why stoicism encourages critical thinking and a neutral perspective to try and break free from those impressions (preconceived notions).
Ah, maybe the lack of being able to assert themselves/no space for "them" in the present, due to the already-reality being infinitely asserted in their minds (leading to lack of thinking and feeling (which might be required to assert the self..?)), is exactly what's causing the suffering!
The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius helped me a lot. All of my plans for 2023 had fallen through and I was at my lowest point, drinking excessively and doing a lot of destructive things. I read the Meditations in mid January and it was like an epiphany. It put things into perspective and enabled me to build a mindset to turn things around. Fast-forward over a year and I am happier than I ever have been, surrounded by good friends, at a great university, and keeping good habits. I ran a marathon last week and smashed my goal. At the core of it lies many of the words I found in that book, always looking at what I can control and trying to accept the fluid nature of the world and emotions. Excellent video about a topic close to my heart.
I have some sort of critique, I guess. When you argue that its our thoughts about things that make us anxious or depressed, and further state that these things, like opinions of others or physical object, are not able to reach/touch/influence our mind, you leave out of the equation that the actions of others, specifically violence, molestation and similar, do indeed cross barriers of body, mind, and soul and infiltrate our systems down to a biochemical level, regardless of whether we 'choose to think about' or not.
I think this an interesting point to raise. I'm not sure if Aurelius was thinking in terms of more extreme cases of externalities. I guess, taken to its most extreme, Frankl's logotherapy still carries this torch of arguing for some sort of inner freedom against any suffering imposed on oneself. He believed that we still had the freedom to decide how to react to what has happened to us. However, I think in the present day where we can clearly see how trauma impacts our biological and psychological health, that this sort of perspective could be seen as naively optimistic. I'm sure there's some middle-ground here - that doesn't advocate for pure determinism nor radical liberty from any and all environmental contexts.
I read 'Meditations' a while back, and you did a good job at capturing his views. Thank you for this! it reminded me to consciously try to ingrain some of his practices and thoughts into my life. I've been obsessed with your videos and their concepts lately
I simply love the description of a I phone being a glowing steel box, lol. however, what really intrigued me was the fact I went into this video thinking it wouldn't withold what I need most, and that was slef validation, the construct of mind is what I've made of it, a lot of material things such as negative opinions and my thirst for validation, feels really subconscious, I do know now more than ever I shall pursue the voice within
I'm recently into Stoic philosophy (~1.5/ 2 years) but Everytime I see a new Marcus video I always wanna see what that person got out of Meditations. I always seem to learn something new from a different person's perspective on the same book :) crazy how he was literally leading an empire and having tons of wars and going through the deaths of like 10 of his 14 kids but he wrote so... Clearly? I wonder what it'd be like to have interviews of him now.
Stoic philosophy, (and rampent stealing of great ideas from Eastern Philosophy) helped make me the surprisingly cheerful and content little nonsense I am today! And Marcus A was a biggie!
People tell me about success what they want or what you should have in a good life, followed dreams, careers, jobs, using your time well going outside interacting with the world. All I want to be content is a close friend I can hug and hangout with and a nice town.
One's anxiety or despair is not caused by things per se but rather our own thoughts and judgement of such things. Things cannot touch the mind. And if one knows that these things the opinions of others, material objects, wealth is all insignificant, then it shouldn't be too difficult of a task to end your despair over them. They don't matter.
Love how in his 12 books (now known as meditations) he spends like a quarter talking about how you should just not care about what others think, and the rest is how you should be incredibly kind, be disciplined (especially the part where he talks about getting out of bed) and just overall a great guy.
At the end of the day, if nothing matters, then the idea that nothing matters also doesn't matter, so by believing in it you are actively demonstrating that you are capable of believing in things that don't matter, so you can still believe in whatever you want.
What's interesting to me: a couple of Months back UA-cam decided on it's own that I'm depressed and that I need to learn a lot about stoicism. I actually think watching your videos was a trigger for that. So YT kept ramming good old Marcus down my throat. Now you are making a video about stoicism and YT didn't even notify me. It's like the "this whole operation was your idea"-meme Well no matter. I wish you well sisiphos :)
Some points are worth keeping, but it tries to vaguely rationalize so much that it leaves emotions completely out of the equation, when processing them would actually make one more self aware and more capable of approaching life. As a begginer approach to philosophy it sounds sorta right, but doesn't actually address the emotional sphere that's at the core of living in the world, and if anything the practical effect of stoicism is to suppress those emotions even further which further amplifies the problem
Stoicism isn't about suppressing emotions, failing to process them, or ignoring them. The part of Stoic philosophy that deals with emotion, you may be surprised, was actually the inspiration for cognitive behavioral therapy. The Stoics were all about processing your emotions. But irrational and unhealthy emotions have a base in cognition, meaning your underlying beliefs are what conjure and influence them. Your opinion about something produces the resulting emotion. So, as any reasonable person would want to do -- to prevent unnecessary suffering --, the Stoics tried to change those unhealthy beliefs with wisdom in order to get a grip on negative emotions like rage or excess grief (I say "excess" because the Stoics recognized that a certain amount of pain is unavoidable, but drawing it out more than its natural course is harmful and ultimately voluntary), which can throw you astray and off the path of virtue. No ancient Stoic would tell you not to move on without addressing your emotions. They were actually -*-all about-*- processing them, to better understand themselves and become healthier, saner, and more virtuous people. Basically, Stoicism says to master your irrational and unhealthy emotions so they don't master you. In order to do this, you need to understand yourself -- the ultimate goal of all this being to help your fellow human beings as much as possible. This is not meant to be an argument, this is in good faith. Hope this helped :)
That's more so cringe modern "stoicism". The most effective way would probably be sitting down for like half an hour, and then thinking about your recent experiences and your emotions on them and chosing accordingly. Let's say that you're a ronin samurai in the edo period and you lost a duel, you shouldn't be angry about losing since that brings you nothing but you also shouldn't care about losing, you should evaluate why you lost and see what you can learn from your opponent that proved to be superior.
@@cyrogelderbrain It seems to me that the idea is to "control" (for lack of a better word) your emotions, don't let the emotion control YOU. Just observing the thoughts, & realizing that's all they are (except for practical thoughts, of course).
Even Marcus Aurelius commanded his personal notes on his meditations be destroyed and burned , thus stating that even stoicism isn't worth bothering yourself about in the end !. :)
even he know he was wasting his time making sense of it all with reason alone. he decided to say "fuck it" and dive headfirst into the absurd stage-play of life with a laugh. knowing he was in on the joke considering even his own work was used to ALSO further capitalist modes of consumption. the amount of pseudo-religious enthusiasm over something entirely vacant of higher meaning and relishes in its weakness and vulnerability in the face of an indifferent universe is the best joke i have ever heard in a long time. why not just press the button and blow up the planet already if we are just prolonging out suffering?
@@thenightwatchman1598 like the rest us ,even he as Emperor Rome was as flawed as Epictitus who was a slave in the same system ; but there again aren't we all slaves to a system ?.
@@alancat2705 even though we all are out of our depth at the end. at least try to not project your own concerns onto me. i bow to no one and thats makes me more of a man than someone who willingly lets someone break their arm.
I'm going to say. Marcus Aurelius was wrong and the only reason we know about him is because of something he did not intend. There is something that matters. There's only one thing that matters. 150 years after you die, your consciousness needs to show up to location B and say hello to a rock. That is it. After you say hello, you can leave. The people that we prize in society are people who don't leave after that 150 years. Most of humanity has done this through their legacy in their books and our history. But the unsung majority do this through having children. Although they fail tremendously at saying hello to that rock. They forget that there's a rock to say hello to. They forget how to say hello and they forget that they need to even go say hello to something like there was ever even an urgency.
Main takeaway: screw all the normie crap, I'm gonna live the good life. A just life I can be proud of regardless of anything. After all, nothing in the world exists that I can take to the grave with me. Not money, not fame, not other people's opinions.
He lived as much like a common citizen as he could. Seeing constant examples of wealthy and immoral people, as well as having great philosophical influences, made him realize that wealth and station mean nothing in comparison to virtue
@@cyrogelderbrain and what was stopping him from actually becoming a common citizen. It's much more common then you'd think, emperors disappearing into thin air, he could had easily retired and went into exile in Africa or asia minor or even Mesopotamia to not get assassinated and lived like a normal person from there on, common people of those regions mostly didn't have a clue about who the emperors were. He held on to the post until he died. So clearly ,there was more to Marcus then just Stoicism.
A person can learn to not give a fuck when not giving a fuck doesnt make their life be worse. If a poor man stopped giving a fuck about his medical bills, work, etc his life would get worse the tax payers would be breathing down his neck but a man like aurelius who doesnt have issues lile that, he doesnt have to give a fuck he can live life how he wants, for people who work under people like aurelius giving a fuck is the difference between life or death, or atleast a very uncomfortable and painful life to a tolerable one. "The aim of the wise man is not to secure pleasure but to avoid pain" like Aristotle said
Eh, if Marcus Aurelius really had it all figured out then why did he raise such a selfish, un-stoic son to be his successor? I'm not saying none of his thoughts or ideas hold any water of course, I just think there's a little more to life than being "cool and reasonable" about everything all the time. Sometimes, I think you really do need to worry about stuff if you don't want the things you love in the physical world to collapse, maybe.
IDK but it seems to me that Aurelius still perceived something as meaningful, and used his stoicism to get rid of distractions. It's like he's not embraced the ultimate meaninglessness of it all. I don't really perceive anything as meaningful anymore, inlcuding subjective notions like virtue or justice. How do I learn to care about something? It's like trying to trick yourself, immerse yourself in a sort of dream reality where things matter, but more often than not I end an activity and have the violent realization of wakefulness that tells me how needless any of my efforts are.
Aurelius Kinda misses the mark in the way rich people always do, most people don't receive "objects of desire". May seem like you can just flow through life like nothing matters if you have money, but the rest of us need to work to get food and pay rent and thats it. If you need more food, medical care or anything else, too bad, your entire life's labor is just to prolong your suffering at a subsistence level in service to people like Aurelius. Sticking to your morals is great but what are you going to do when the bill collectors are breathing down your neck? You are getting discriminated against and refused even that subsistence unless you do an unethical job, IE all the slaves in ancient Rome, or child migrants forced to work in meat packing plants in Texas? Or the only way to get things you need to survive is by stealing them, or buying them from companies that employ this type of slave labor?
Yeah stoicism is an incomplete version of Buddhist philosophy: which actively digs into how to deal with living in the absence of good material conditions.
Most humans who procreate would say the most important occurrence of their lives is becoming parents of offspring, and the process that then follows. That being the case, any ideas about the meaninglessness of life, of nothing mattering, of existential or moral nihilism, of absurdism, of any philosophy of life or theory of reality should be addressed to or directed at that, that toughest nut to crack. In other words, an idea is weak and not serious if it can't grapple with, or if it can't be clearly seen through the prism of, what most humans say is the most important occurrence of their lives, parenting children. In undergrad philosophy classes everyone was an existentialist or nihilist of some variety. Same in our graduate school of philosophy, but a bit less. But once PhDs were earned, employment procured, marriages had, and most importantly, young children were birthed into families, the old ideas were seen differently. If the ideas survive through the process of becoming a parent, the ideas are more consistent and full-proof than otherwise.
Sorry, as much as I love your channel, I cannot get over the irony. Of a person who seems to care about integrity and principles and who also recognises the vicious nature of advertisement (even if what is being advertised is good) to -in the same video - present a sponsor. Like, I'm not pretending to be morally superior or anything, but it just reinforces to me that CAPITAL is unbelievably compelling. That people comfortably tell themselves their actions are, in some respect, necessary for subsistence.
I mean when the alternatives were the likes of commodus or Caligula he made the lives of his subjects beteer. also do you realise how silly it is to judge past with present morals?
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Hey S, great observations about life. Really good “red pill” discussions.
I am a deeply practical person and have wondered with the advent of Medical Assisted dying for the elderly if this concept will be allowed as a humane path for those who really gave life a go, went to therapy and sought the help they need but ultimately are happy with the decision to pass on! To me it’s the ultimate final freedom for humanity. It’s really hard to debate this issue because too many people live under the “blue pill” and I think there is some capitalist control against destroying “consumers” heck even YT would probably not allow such a debate.
One thing that I have never seen commented on about Marcus Aurelius; he had a great childhood. In fact the first few pages of The Meditations is a long essay on the gratitude he feels for the people who gave him his amazing childhood. I feel that if you are going to use stoicism as a guide for life; it is helpful to have a secure attachment. Secure attachment gives an inner strength and an increased ability to make independent choices. If a child's physical, emotional and intellectual needs are met with care and consideration, this enables him to focus his own care and consideration adeptly. Without secure attachment, this is much, much harder.
I agree. Also, there's aspects to this thoughts, that I feel the average person wouldn't be able to achieve simply because he had a certain privilege of existence (access to power, money, education). Most people didn't and couldn't achieve these back then, subject to the day to day toil. It's easy to have opinions and thoughts when the observer.
One of his statements about looking down at people and pondering why they worry so much, felt patronising to me as I read it, because of course he would struggle to understand as he did not go through that experience himself.
This is to say, I appreciate his book and his words generally, just this particular aspect to him, I felt people overlooked.
@@moolalas130 This is a common refutation of Stoicism, but unfortunately for this narrative of ‘Stoicism is only for the rich/privileged’, some of the greatest Stoic and Cynic philosophers were slaves or homeless with no money, wealth, or power to speak of. Specifically, Epictetus was a self-described cripple who was a slave for many years in which he wrote most of his works.
I apologize if this comes off in an argumentative or combative manner, I’m just trying to highlight a key misconception many people have regarding Stoicism.
Stoicism is not a tool to be used to avoid hardship in an easy life, it’s a philosophy of life itself which has some side positive side effects that apply to ALL people during hardships. You mention that Marcus felt pity for those who worry, and you’ll surprisingly find almost the same exact words come from Epictetus who again, was a slave. Epictetus did not envy those who were not slaves, and felt pity for those who would lash out in anger against him. Of course Marcus was an extremely privileged individual, but he is FAR from the father of Stoicism and he remained virtuous in spite of his wealth and power. I would love to further explain any common misrepresented or misinterpreted points of Stoicism, so if you’re interested in the discussion please feel free to respond and I’ll remain as civil as possible.
Thanks for brining this up. I've come to see the importance of this in recent years too. Although the past has taken its effects on us, I find learning to exercise self-compassion might help to "re-parent" ourselves and offer a caring and safe inner environment for better choices to be made, more aligned with a happier life.
@@ski6035 My point was specifically childhood attachment and experiences. You could have been a slave and still have good parental attachment and good early socialisation.
@@9000ck I agree that there’s something to be said for philosophy being a luxury for those of privilege, if that’s what you mean generally. But then this applies to all philosophy of course and not just Stoicism. Many people DO have the time and ability to learn but simply haven’t been exposed to it due to their surroundings.
The fact that the writings of a bloke that has been dead for almost 2000 years are still relevant today speak to the genius of Marcus Aurelius
Or of the stagnation of mankind.
Or a testament to the fact that while society and technology has vastly changed we are still human and feel the same emotions as those 2000 years before us
@@MrMango331 What is mankind but a briefly organized stagnant pond soon to dissolve into it's constituent atoms before having the slightest clue on what the hell just happened, and no way to understand after the fact?
Bloke is a funny word.
@MrMango331 pessimistic take. Evolution takes millions of years and thousands of iterations and we've had ~100 generations since his time? Society evolves at a breakneck speed and our brains adapt the best they can, but the ability to evolve to suit an ever changing society is like a dog chasing its tail, but the tail is getting further and further away. On a cosmological scale we are just discovering these concepts, our societies and even the abilities required to communicate concepts are still nascent in the grand scheme. Plants may appear stagnant to the naked eye, they just take time to grow, and we are not so different from them :)
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Stoicism is fundamentally about aiming to act with virtue (wisdom, courage, temperance/moderation, justice) in whatever position you find yourself.
My favourite quote from Meditations, because it encapsulates what living stoicly means in a practical sense, is: "Concentrate on the matter in hand and see it for what it is. Remind yourself of your duty to be a good man and rehearse what man's nature demands: then do it straight and unswerving, or say what you best think right. Always, though, in kindness, integrity, and sincerity."
That, or simply: "it loved to happen"
“Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present.” - Marcus Aurelius
Please leave me a dollar whem you meet me living in a tent.
The kinds of people id like to make friends with when im ready
what, people who dont get caught up in life's petty distractions?
My father is a big fan of stoicism, and quite well read, which makes sense considering his career as a war journalist.
But as an autist, his philosophy only made me struggle with my emotions as an adult. I feel stunted and stuck. Not caring has built up decades of pain.
Only in caring was I able to start healing, especially when it came to my sensory processing. Now I started a career in humanitarian work, and as a general rule I try to care more, not less.
I'm glad you got to where you are.
Even the Buddha, who taught us to let go of all attachments, still valued friendship as the entirety of his path.
He Mourned when his closest friend died and took a day off teaching. He clearly CARED about people, even if he didn't allow clinging.
Stoicism isn't about not caring. That's a really sucky misinterpretation which has come up over time. None of the real Stoics, the ancient ones, would have told you simply not to care about things. While I love this channel, I think he does tend to oversimplify and omit some important details, which I understand is for general listener comprehension rather than experts. I recommend actually going straight to the source (reading M.A., Epictetus, Seneca) and cutting out what LITERALLY everyone else says about Stoicism nowadays, maybe even your dad, because the vast majority tend to misunderstand some aspect of it. Stoicism is a very caring philosophy and its wisdom on the underlying beliefs that motivate emotion inspired cognitive behavioral therapy.
@@cyrogelderbrain I didn't express myself very well. The not caring was a compounding effect of trying to be stoic. The issue is the control, ASD essentially means a lot of things that are actually pretty normal are just always too much, and I can only control so much of existence. An example that I heard most people don't experience is always feeling the texture of your clothing, how itchy I am all the time, and how some of the worse clothes feel like billions of needles digging just into the surface of my skin.
And while my dad meant well, he's not uncaring, for me it meant gaslighting myself into believing everything is fine, when they obviously aren't. Not caring was the only way to be stoic for me, cause what I really needed was accomodations, acceptance, and the ability to sometimes just let everything out kinda pathetically. Add to that a theravada buddhist mom, its a household that values self-discipline over my emotions. It was better to shutdown than to meltdown, but I was just avoiding my experiences and emotions.
Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of autists have had bad experiences with CBT. But I'm not sure of the research into that. It has worked wonders for a few of my NT friends, along with meditation.
@@DisgruntledPeasant Stoicism isn't about not caring about other people, it's mainly about not letting things outside of your control harm you.
If you have feelings about something it's always good to sit down and evaluate if it's worth it to feel these things and if the things REALLY matter.
If someone was rude on the street then that shows a flaw and weakness in them and their character and you shouldn't care about that. This is a process I think and not a switch you can flip
@@Generic_Phantom classical stoicism sure.
I guess I'm talking about a popular modern form of it which does aim for not caring about anything.
It's always tricky when discussing any philosophy, separating it's root ideas and the ways it is commonly practiced.
The same occurs with Buddhism: early Buddhism is very very different to how many branches of modern Buddhism have turned out.
I think Marcus Aurelius had some good points, but feel short in the 'emotional processing' arena. People cannot decide to 'not care'. They can decide to be aware or unaware of their feelings. If you are unaware (compartmentalize) or minimize, then I have not seen good outcomes. Instead, those who choose awareness and nonjudgmental processing of their feelings, are the most likely to truly use those feelings to engender growth. If one feels sad, ask yourself 'why' you are sad, try to understand it, and accept the feeling, do not see the feeling itself as a sign of weakness. We cannot 'outsmart' our feelings, we really can't. So, in conclusion, his message of 'focus on what matters, don't sweat the details' is a great message, but his shades of 'just decide to not feel, outsmart caring!' is, umm, less great, lol.
That is the biggest problem with stoïcism. It tries to intellectualize too much and seems to focus more on surpressing your emotions. Which can be very harming for individuals.
Next that it also KILLS vulnerability, which also means that it kills genuine human connection, something we naturally crave.
Personally I learned that for me personally that Stoïcism works best in a work environment but that Eastern philosophy, where it is more focused on compassion and emotions, works best for private life.
TRUTH. I think its because of this misinterpretation that there exists so much overlap between "stoics" and unhealthy "alpha" masculinity
I agree, but I think something important and wonderful about philosophy is that we can adopt that which feels most prudent to us and understand the rest was made for another person at another time. Fortunately I'm not a roman emperor and I have the time and space to lend to my feelings hahaha
I can't say I'm an EXPERT on stoicism but I think you do make some good points. I think what helps me with attaching to stoicism so much is due to my anxieties and irrational feelings, having a bit of a guideline helps me decide what matters and what doesn't. That is something maybe your comment is missing, I do believe that there are a lot of teachings from not just Marcus about reacting initially, then emotionally processing. The key is you emotionally process through a set of values guided by justice/ honor / integrity/ goodness etc, so perhaps a lot of decisions may seem less well thought out to you due to that fact? I'm unsure if I'm understanding you correctly.
That being said I think that there is the element of stoicism that should be maybe more paid attention to which is "feel your initial reaction but then rationalize and think logically about it"
I wouldn't say you're wrong at all but I do think the emotional processing of emotions is down to the person's responsibility. I wouldn't say the Stoic philosophy is to Not Feel, but to Feel, then Decide and React.
But that's all in good faith, no desire to attack you or change your mind. Honestly I never get to come across people who don't love Stoicism so it's interesting to see other POVs.
I apply a lot of Stoic teaching to my life and I interpret it as simply observing your feelings and validating them instead of acting on them and letting them control you. I often just meditate to observe my feelings from outside my conscious mind and it helps me reason.
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This man had all anyone could ever have asked for. But he really did see that life is not about power or materialistic things. And the fact that everything he wrote was to himself and not for anyone else shows that he truly believed in what he was speaking about.
He didn’t have air conditioning.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs His house was water cooled I think
@@Generic_Phantom he didn’t have coffee.
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs he had opium
i'm from india, we just had the results of two of the most competitive examinations out recently. one of which i'm preparing for and am to sit in next year. the results were unprecedented and i was panicking not too long ago while seeing the increase in cutoffs and i was feeling very hopeless, when i saw this video on my home page. and it's just what i needed, thankyou. i think i'll get back into philosophy during my year of preparation so i can make it through. anyways, thankyou stranger for reading this if you are. things will get better for both of us.
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@@OmkarMahadik-bk9kn no, i took a drop to prepare for JEE. feeling pretty hopeless though. did you give NEET?
@@aradhyasingh5694 I was fortunate to give neet the previous year and got selected for a government medical college
The condition of this year's aspirants is just so sad
60 marks inflation in neet was something I never dreamt
@@aradhyasingh5694 This channel helped me a lot while preparing for neet
And the book meditations by Marcus Aurelius and the apps The Stoic and Zen Enso also helped me go through my anxiety
I feel like the most important line from here was that- "Anxiety and despair stem not from things themselves but from our thoughts about them"-our impressions of those things.
This 'automatic understanding' or impressions prevent any real thinking or feeling from taking place which prevents the person from truly living in the present, since they're being presented with an 'already-reality'(from those impressions), their reactions(feeling) and expectations (what to think) have already been pre-determined [in this video Sisyphus gives the ex of ads].
This pattern of just accessing one's reality thru those same things(removing their need to feel or think since the impressions have already done that for them) causes suffering and disconnect. That's why stoicism encourages critical thinking and a neutral perspective to try and break free from those impressions (preconceived notions).
Ah, maybe the lack of being able to assert themselves/no space for "them" in the present, due to the already-reality being infinitely asserted in their minds (leading to lack of thinking and feeling (which might be required to assert the self..?)), is exactly what's causing the suffering!
The Meditations of Marcus Aurelius helped me a lot. All of my plans for 2023 had fallen through and I was at my lowest point, drinking excessively and doing a lot of destructive things.
I read the Meditations in mid January and it was like an epiphany. It put things into perspective and enabled me to build a mindset to turn things around. Fast-forward over a year and I am happier than I ever have been, surrounded by good friends, at a great university, and keeping good habits. I ran a marathon last week and smashed my goal. At the core of it lies many of the words I found in that book, always looking at what I can control and trying to accept the fluid nature of the world and emotions.
Excellent video about a topic close to my heart.
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I have some sort of critique, I guess. When you argue that its our thoughts about things that make us anxious or depressed, and further state that these things, like opinions of others or physical object, are not able to reach/touch/influence our mind, you leave out of the equation that the actions of others, specifically violence, molestation and similar, do indeed cross barriers of body, mind, and soul and infiltrate our systems down to a biochemical level, regardless of whether we 'choose to think about' or not.
I think this an interesting point to raise. I'm not sure if Aurelius was thinking in terms of more extreme cases of externalities. I guess, taken to its most extreme, Frankl's logotherapy still carries this torch of arguing for some sort of inner freedom against any suffering imposed on oneself. He believed that we still had the freedom to decide how to react to what has happened to us. However, I think in the present day where we can clearly see how trauma impacts our biological and psychological health, that this sort of perspective could be seen as naively optimistic. I'm sure there's some middle-ground here - that doesn't advocate for pure determinism nor radical liberty from any and all environmental contexts.
@@Sisyphus55you may want to look a bit deeper into Frankl’s history as well as the provenance of his “philosophy.”
I read 'Meditations' a while back, and you did a good job at capturing his views. Thank you for this! it reminded me to consciously try to ingrain some of his practices and thoughts into my life. I've been obsessed with your videos and their concepts lately
You posted this video at the right time for me. Thanks for lifting my spirits as you always have for the past year and a half
Summary of this video:
7 minutes of existential crisis material
2 minutes of hope
That post metabolic rebound (that down feeling after achieving something big) is so real.
Thanks!
I simply love the description of a I phone being a glowing steel box, lol. however, what really intrigued me was the fact I went into this video thinking it wouldn't withold what I need most, and that was slef validation, the construct of mind is what I've made of it, a lot of material things such as negative opinions and my thirst for validation, feels really subconscious, I do know now more than ever I shall pursue the voice within
4:35 I love your channel and your audience, I'm gonna comment on ALL your videos for years until I reach your level of subscribers.
I'm recently into Stoic philosophy (~1.5/ 2 years) but Everytime I see a new Marcus video I always wanna see what that person got out of Meditations. I always seem to learn something new from a different person's perspective on the same book :) crazy how he was literally leading an empire and having tons of wars and going through the deaths of like 10 of his 14 kids but he wrote so... Clearly? I wonder what it'd be like to have interviews of him now.
It's been a while since last you've done one of these essays on a particular philosopher, and the philosophy they pioneered.
The advertising part at 5:23 reminded me of fight club
Stoic philosophy, (and rampent stealing of great ideas from Eastern Philosophy) helped make me the surprisingly cheerful and content little nonsense I am today! And Marcus A was a biggie!
Good job on this video, I love it!
Out of all of your videos, this one definitely hits the hardest
8:26 i keep telling myself to NOT CARE about the missing space near the word "vigour"
nice video, keep up the good work i really enjoy your content.
People tell me about success what they want or what you should have in a good life, followed dreams, careers, jobs, using your time well going outside interacting with the world. All I want to be content is a close friend I can hug and hangout with and a nice town.
This video came at the perfect time lol im rereading meditations for the second time
I particularly love the illustrations in this one.
Even with the algorithm snubbing you this is one of my favorite videos you've made
Such a great vid as always thank you for posting
One's anxiety or despair is not caused by things per se but rather our own thoughts and judgement of such things. Things cannot touch the mind. And if one knows that these things the opinions of others, material objects, wealth is all insignificant, then it shouldn't be too difficult of a task to end your despair over them. They don't matter.
@@ayushmaned1669 “things cannot touch the mind” wow thank you for that new motto
Love how in his 12 books (now known as meditations) he spends like a quarter talking about how you should just not care about what others think, and the rest is how you should be incredibly kind, be disciplined (especially the part where he talks about getting out of bed) and just overall a great guy.
Wow how insightful. I’m gonna think about this after I open the incognito tab for no reason whatsoever
At the end of the day, if nothing matters, then the idea that nothing matters also doesn't matter, so by believing in it you are actively demonstrating that you are capable of believing in things that don't matter, so you can still believe in whatever you want.
What's interesting to me: a couple of Months back UA-cam decided on it's own that I'm depressed and that I need to learn a lot about stoicism. I actually think watching your videos was a trigger for that. So YT kept ramming good old Marcus down my throat. Now you are making a video about stoicism and YT didn't even notify me.
It's like the "this whole operation was your idea"-meme
Well no matter. I wish you well sisiphos :)
Thank you thank you thank you so much I needed this!!!!
early gang, hope all is well yall!
Nice comment bro😁 I hope everything is good and healthy with you too👌🏾
Oh man, ‘the friction of flesh’ got me feelin some type of way…
Some points are worth keeping, but it tries to vaguely rationalize so much that it leaves emotions completely out of the equation, when processing them would actually make one more self aware and more capable of approaching life. As a begginer approach to philosophy it sounds sorta right, but doesn't actually address the emotional sphere that's at the core of living in the world, and if anything the practical effect of stoicism is to suppress those emotions even further which further amplifies the problem
Stoicism isn't about suppressing emotions, failing to process them, or ignoring them. The part of Stoic philosophy that deals with emotion, you may be surprised, was actually the inspiration for cognitive behavioral therapy.
The Stoics were all about processing your emotions. But irrational and unhealthy emotions have a base in cognition, meaning your underlying beliefs are what conjure and influence them. Your opinion about something produces the resulting emotion. So, as any reasonable person would want to do -- to prevent unnecessary suffering --, the Stoics tried to change those unhealthy beliefs with wisdom in order to get a grip on negative emotions like rage or excess grief (I say "excess" because the Stoics recognized that a certain amount of pain is unavoidable, but drawing it out more than its natural course is harmful and ultimately voluntary), which can throw you astray and off the path of virtue. No ancient Stoic would tell you not to move on without addressing your emotions. They were actually -*-all about-*- processing them, to better understand themselves and become healthier, saner, and more virtuous people. Basically, Stoicism says to master your irrational and unhealthy emotions so they don't master you. In order to do this, you need to understand yourself -- the ultimate goal of all this being to help your fellow human beings as much as possible.
This is not meant to be an argument, this is in good faith. Hope this helped :)
That's more so cringe modern "stoicism". The most effective way would probably be sitting down for like half an hour, and then thinking about your recent experiences and your emotions on them and chosing accordingly.
Let's say that you're a ronin samurai in the edo period and you lost a duel, you shouldn't be angry about losing since that brings you nothing but you also shouldn't care about losing, you should evaluate why you lost and see what you can learn from your opponent that proved to be superior.
@@cyrogelderbrain It seems to me that the idea is to "control" (for lack of a better word) your emotions, don't let the emotion control YOU. Just observing the thoughts, & realizing that's all they are (except for practical thoughts, of course).
love your work. thank you very much
3:01 Why? Everything is meaningless.
every single thing from this video went completely over my head what
Just when I was having the thought of not caring about the stresses of life I get this noti, thanks.
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Even Marcus Aurelius commanded his personal notes on his meditations be destroyed and burned , thus stating that even stoicism isn't worth bothering yourself about in the end !. :)
don't make stoicism your desire !
even he know he was wasting his time making sense of it all with reason alone. he decided to say "fuck it" and dive headfirst into the absurd stage-play of life with a laugh. knowing he was in on the joke considering even his own work was used to ALSO further capitalist modes of consumption. the amount of pseudo-religious enthusiasm over something entirely vacant of higher meaning and relishes in its weakness and vulnerability in the face of an indifferent universe is the best joke i have ever heard in a long time. why not just press the button and blow up the planet already if we are just prolonging out suffering?
@@thenightwatchman1598 like the rest us ,even he as Emperor Rome was as flawed as Epictitus who was a slave in the same system ; but there again aren't we all slaves to a system ?.
@@alancat2705 even though we all are out of our depth at the end. at least try to not project your own concerns onto me. i bow to no one and thats makes me more of a man than someone who willingly lets someone break their arm.
1:00 Marcus Aurelius meant to tell about moral integrity and self-discipline
I'm going to say. Marcus Aurelius was wrong and the only reason we know about him is because of something he did not intend.
There is something that matters. There's only one thing that matters.
150 years after you die, your consciousness needs to show up to location B and say hello to a rock. That is it. After you say hello, you can leave. The people that we prize in society are people who don't leave after that 150 years. Most of humanity has done this through their legacy in their books and our history. But the unsung majority do this through having children. Although they fail tremendously at saying hello to that rock. They forget that there's a rock to say hello to. They forget how to say hello and they forget that they need to even go say hello to something like there was ever even an urgency.
Main takeaway: screw all the normie crap, I'm gonna live the good life. A just life I can be proud of regardless of anything. After all, nothing in the world exists that I can take to the grave with me. Not money, not fame, not other people's opinions.
Nice video! Whered you get the background music? I wanna study to it
"Chill out,nothing matters"
-A person who owned 50% of the livable earth's matter.
He lived as much like a common citizen as he could. Seeing constant examples of wealthy and immoral people, as well as having great philosophical influences, made him realize that wealth and station mean nothing in comparison to virtue
@@cyrogelderbrain and what was stopping him from actually becoming a common citizen. It's much more common then you'd think, emperors disappearing into thin air, he could had easily retired and went into exile in Africa or asia minor or even Mesopotamia to not get assassinated and lived like a normal person from there on, common people of those regions mostly didn't have a clue about who the emperors were. He held on to the post until he died. So clearly ,there was more to Marcus then just Stoicism.
I mean he didn't care about that look up to him@@Wishy_1
@@Wishy_1 well what stopped him from going into exile was community, he valued community and even wrote about it in meditations.
@@Generic_Phantom That's rather weird, a common man can also have a community
missing a space between comma and word at 8:40?
When the second half of the title says Marcus Aurelius but the first half of the title and hex code of the thumbnail background says Mark Manson 😭
cool animation !
Great video.
A person can learn to not give a fuck when not giving a fuck doesnt make their life be worse. If a poor man stopped giving a fuck about his medical bills, work, etc his life would get worse the tax payers would be breathing down his neck but a man like aurelius who doesnt have issues lile that, he doesnt have to give a fuck he can live life how he wants, for people who work under people like aurelius giving a fuck is the difference between life or death, or atleast a very uncomfortable and painful life to a tolerable one.
"The aim of the wise man is not to secure pleasure but to avoid pain" like Aristotle said
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4:06 I’m not angsts just emotionally unmoderate
Not even a mention of Epictetus is crazy
if any idea in practice leads to apparent contradiction in how it is received. that idea has not real merit of truth to it.
Act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with your God.
Eh, if Marcus Aurelius really had it all figured out then why did he raise such a selfish, un-stoic son to be his successor? I'm not saying none of his thoughts or ideas hold any water of course, I just think there's a little more to life than being "cool and reasonable" about everything all the time. Sometimes, I think you really do need to worry about stuff if you don't want the things you love in the physical world to collapse, maybe.
wish i could like this video more than once
Next do Lindyman.
IDK but it seems to me that Aurelius still perceived something as meaningful, and used his stoicism to get rid of distractions. It's like he's not embraced the ultimate meaninglessness of it all. I don't really perceive anything as meaningful anymore, inlcuding subjective notions like virtue or justice. How do I learn to care about something? It's like trying to trick yourself, immerse yourself in a sort of dream reality where things matter, but more often than not I end an activity and have the violent realization of wakefulness that tells me how needless any of my efforts are.
Did you have all these videos planned, or are you just cranking them out right now? Seems like a very active time right now.
Can you do a video on the subtle art of not giving a fuck? Is there stoicism in there? What is the main message of the book
Yeah absolutely nothing matters so long as you believe it to be so.
Aurelius Kinda misses the mark in the way rich people always do, most people don't receive "objects of desire". May seem like you can just flow through life like nothing matters if you have money, but the rest of us need to work to get food and pay rent and thats it. If you need more food, medical care or anything else, too bad, your entire life's labor is just to prolong your suffering at a subsistence level in service to people like Aurelius.
Sticking to your morals is great but what are you going to do when the bill collectors are breathing down your neck? You are getting discriminated against and refused even that subsistence unless you do an unethical job, IE all the slaves in ancient Rome, or child migrants forced to work in meat packing plants in Texas?
Or the only way to get things you need to survive is by stealing them, or buying them from companies that employ this type of slave labor?
Yeah stoicism is an incomplete version of Buddhist philosophy: which actively digs into how to deal with living in the absence of good material conditions.
Well, ofcourse as all philosophies have its limits, id say that stoicism makes a complicated life simple, i like simple.
Bought meditations but haven’t read it yet, should I ?
Most humans who procreate would say the most important occurrence of their lives is becoming parents of offspring, and the process that then follows. That being the case, any ideas about the meaninglessness of life, of nothing mattering, of existential or moral nihilism, of absurdism, of any philosophy of life or theory of reality should be addressed to or directed at that, that toughest nut to crack. In other words, an idea is weak and not serious if it can't grapple with, or if it can't be clearly seen through the prism of, what most humans say is the most important occurrence of their lives, parenting children. In undergrad philosophy classes everyone was an existentialist or nihilist of some variety. Same in our graduate school of philosophy, but a bit less. But once PhDs were earned, employment procured, marriages had, and most importantly, young children were birthed into families, the old ideas were seen differently. If the ideas survive through the process of becoming a parent, the ideas are more consistent and full-proof than otherwise.
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Thank you Sisyphus 55 you are the reason I bought and read Meditations a while ago 🙏🙏 best book
Same for me
This video truly ended too quick for me.
Do yalls think marcus aurelius would be chill to blaze with
Woohoo! I get to suffer for no reason whatsoever!
Thats just like... your oppinion man...
Is ChatGPT running the channel now?
Great way of doing advertisements by the way doesn't feel as manipulative
Stoic stick?
How does bro have over 1 million subscribers.
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@@Flizz0 The animation is deplorable. I’m surprised people are subscribing.
@@Garrettmoron I don’t believe people subscribe for the animation or artwork, more for the message
@@Flizz0 Ok. That makes sense.
Sorry, as much as I love your channel, I cannot get over the irony. Of a person who seems to care about integrity and principles and who also recognises the vicious nature of advertisement (even if what is being advertised is good) to -in the same video - present a sponsor. Like, I'm not pretending to be morally superior or anything, but it just reinforces to me that CAPITAL is unbelievably compelling. That people comfortably tell themselves their actions are, in some respect, necessary for subsistence.
I mean, he's a content creator after all... He does this more or less because of the money
Yall must've forgot about love and beauty. And also food and drugs.
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wow Sisyphus 55 doesn't give a FUCK
oh hey I'm somewhat early
This video is very anfractuous can someone explain it to me pls 🥺
It's all just cope though, isn't it. Unfortunately our lizard brain isn't fooled by our more modern cranial additions.
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"Act justly": proceeds to rule over people.
Okay, Marcus...
He ruled very justly
@@cyrogelderbrain There is no such thing ;)
I mean when the alternatives were the likes of commodus or Caligula he made the lives of his subjects beteer. also do you realise how silly it is to judge past with present morals?
i dont care so much i didnt even watch the video. whats the point in watching this.
What’s the point of anything?
It’s just another paradox 😂