Powercreep personified...until Wis'adel. Irene is still my personal favourite character though, so I am a bit salty that she got powercrept so severely lol.
@k_a4685 it could make her better against high defense enemies. well, tbh I think Degen still wins. Auto Recov and consistent CC still better than Irene's Levitate inconsistency and Offensive Recov.. I think that module will make her a better unit but not enough to compete with Degen. Just enough to make her extra viable even tho shes already a really viable unit
@@k_a4685Relistically, I doubt that Even if Irene some how got 80 atk base stats module (the highest amount for Swordmaster rn, which belong to ch'en module) and they upgrade her talent to 75% def ignore (triple the amount of Degen)... it would still not enough Again 0 def enimies : Irene deal 28350 dmg, while Degen deal 36834 dmg, more than 8kdmg different Again 1500 def enemies (which is realy high already), ... Degen still win, Irene deal 22987 dmg while Degen deal 23222 dmg Enemies with higher stats than this tend to have greater weight, so less dmg for Irene This is not factor others unities Degen has and how easy she can be set up So in conclusion, Irene is just dead
I'm only specifically talking about degen's s3 anyway, there should be plenty of videos in bilibili that does 1 shot harold, but they need massive investment and very specific ops so you're usually better off just doing the clear normally, besides rs-7 is generally much better to do as manganese ores are more in demand that crystal conponents
The fact she not only powercreeps Irene (who already powercreeped Ch'en to dead), but she also is a top level nuker, on the same level as Surtr, Mlynar, Ch'en alter, or Texalter, it already shows the direction the game is taking
Degenbrecher still doesn't do true damage, so there are situations where Mlynar is better, especially with his giant silly range and long uptime. Just put him in the square behind her and then forget that quarter of the map exists.
they’ve been doing this for a while.. I only realized when degenbreacher released w auto recovery, then w alter hitting aerial 😢 what’s the point of the restrictions then kekekeke
She was even a meme before that. Viviana’s kit is like a year 1 op. Except some of the ops in that year are actually better. Her biggest issue is her kit is kinda all over the place.
@2265Hello Eh I think thats a bit of an exaggeration. Shes definetly kind of mid in the current meta. But she would have actually been valuable in year 1. There weren't many options for melee arts damage other than like Mousse i think? And massive collections of 6 stars werent as common back then either so the options were a lot more lacking. But ofcourse its no longer year 1 meta so that doesnt really matter.
@@2265Helloshe tried to be a laneholder and a bosskiller at the same time, and now she turned into shit. So unfortunate, Vivianna is so pretty after all.
Making vivianna a ramping arts defender categorically would've been more interesting, not gonna lie. The added stats alone from the archetype would've helped her immensely. Also HG kind of did her dirty with that gameplay design.
A pretty good buff partner for her is Heidi S1, it gives a similar damage increase to Skalter S3 while also matching every single S3 unlike most other buffers.
For mass appeal. Too many people think off rec is hard to use. So they sacrificed the integrity of the branch to have her sell more. Personally as a Chen user it's downgrade to me.
I have been baffled since launch in that case. 1) Why is a Core Caster able to deal more AOE Arts damage and generally better than a Splash Caster? 2) Why is an arts guard able to overshadow most of the Casters in Arts damage for years? 3) Why is a Brawler Guard able to replace the role of vanguards for most stages in early game despite not generating DP and can lanehold even better? If we are talking about just sub-classes, why is Lappland the only Lord unit who only has attack recovery skills? All the rest have at least 1 auto recover skill. Why? Whhhhhyyyyy?😂 In all honesty, those who think that all future units should follow a subclass "specialty" should go back and look at the "exceptions" available since launch or else there will constantly be *Shocked Pikachu Face* 😂
Love your videos in general since they feel like the most objective critique possible, while also providing valuable insight on the operator themselves. I especially like your style of presentation, since its easy to look at, clear and aesthetically pleasing. The only critique id personally have would be spoiling bosses outside of global, for anyone thats trying to remain spoiler free for major event bosses, like myself for this case, for the last enemy in 2:45. I understand wanting to provide the viewer with future information itself, so i get why it was there, and why it would help people. I belong to a minority of people doing it, so ill have to refrain watching the hindsight videos, but i still hope for the best for you and your success in the future, since for me personally no one compares to your videos in the ak cc space.
Let's watch this so I can be sad that I didn't get her, I pulled to one 6 star, got dupe Mountain rip, but I need to save for Shu. Shouldn't have pulled in the first place, but Degen is so op.
Wait, wait, Dragon! When it comes to ranking Degen 8, did u take into account her 2 major drawback: *glass cannon and tremble inconsistency* ? These 2 explain why Duqarael n Zarro easily bring her down. And when it comes to a fair n square 1 vs 1 duel, she can't hold for long, Slumbering of Sui, or even IS4 shattered champions are example.
In the future for modules could you have the level 2 numbers as well? At least in the module section? You have ~15.4% for level 1 and ~24.9% at level 3 but I was curious about what level 2 gives
I have slightly different numbers but level 2 and 3 both give roughly 5% per level, so imo you can stay with level 1 if you’re low on blocks for now since the upgrades are more min-max than other upcoming modules.
it's pull priority, not really a commentary on Ray power it makes logical sense for creators to say this but it's created a sort of anti-Ray echo chamber when she's not only a top-tier sniper but also an excellent complement to W and Ela (W is not dealing with single targets at range like Ray is)
@botcchidotcchi oh but it is low. the graph itself puts her on a spot close to low. and it still hurts you know? i know she's an awesome sniper but seeing her down there really really hurts..
@@galeria_m owh you meant this 19:43? See the scores instead, it's more accurate. Ray's scores similar to Ascalon but the graph indeed lower, Shu's also lower than Ela.
@@JPOG7TV depend, do you plan to go for the limited collab that is really close to us ? If you have enough spare resources then I would say yes, Degen is considered to be the (arguably) strongest guard in the game rn, being on pair with Mlynar. The gap between her and Irene is so big that is not funny anymore. But if you are tight on pulls then you can skip her, consider her event will get a rerun next year
note for reference that the 'w' in sword is silent. Appreciate the content, I'm trying not to think of the new era as power creep so I can concentrate on having fun.
shes more newbie friendly than Mlynar is and in late game, she's up there as one of the best guards. One could argue the best guard or the second best guard depending on the person so yes, VERY worth the pull. personally, i dont like to play along the meta and just like enjoyable gameplay so anyone too broken isn't up my alley. id rather skip her and pull Ray.
It means she won't get Solo banner rerun, Her event won't have Rerun Some Event and the featured operator can have Rerun It means if u want her, this is only best time to do it otherwise u just expect to get her from off rate which much harder Want buy her from shop? 2 years wait for that
So for 2 week events with ex stages like this one the event's banner reruns with the event. Vignettes (no ex stages, you unlock story with those record things) dont rerun, therefore neither the banners that run with them. Either way, the operator gets added to the standard pool
SSS is not difficult content and you can make anyone broken in it. even then, irene is not the best for that gamemode, that title should go to other ops.
I hate, no, I HATE how she is broken, same as Walter HG just spits on their own rules S3 should be offensive recovery and even then her damage outperform others, i'd nerf it also AND EVEN THEN she would be viable because of her disarm mechanic "DISGUSTING!" Karen.png
Irene is crying for not being included in the list of swordmaster.
Powercreep personified...until Wis'adel.
Irene is still my personal favourite character though, so I am a bit salty that she got powercrept so severely lol.
well, atleast she isn't like chen who is unusable in the current meta. Irene is still by no means a weak operator. Degen is just powerful
well, Irene still has hope on her 2nd module.
as the base are 10% skill damage and the upgrade most likely increase her defense ignore
@k_a4685 Yeah, there's some hope for sure with her 2nd module.
@k_a4685 it could make her better against high defense enemies. well, tbh I think Degen still wins. Auto Recov and consistent CC still better than Irene's Levitate inconsistency and Offensive Recov..
I think that module will make her a better unit but not enough to compete with Degen. Just enough to make her extra viable even tho shes already a really viable unit
@@k_a4685Relistically, I doubt that
Even if Irene some how got 80 atk base stats module (the highest amount for Swordmaster rn, which belong to ch'en module) and they upgrade her talent to 75% def ignore (triple the amount of Degen)... it would still not enough
Again 0 def enimies : Irene deal 28350 dmg, while Degen deal 36834 dmg, more than 8kdmg different
Again 1500 def enemies (which is realy high already), ... Degen still win, Irene deal 22987 dmg while Degen deal 23222 dmg
Enemies with higher stats than this tend to have greater weight, so less dmg for Irene
This is not factor others unities Degen has and how easy she can be set up
So in conclusion, Irene is just dead
Reminder that the powercreep cycle only just begins here, Walter is going to break this game into pieces
Looking forward to using her as an IS4 starter
Okay, now I do understand why the boss that coming with her event having 3 damage immune window
Thanks for the awesome info. Glad I got pot 6 Degenbrecher then. ^^
20 Minutes of DragonDJY logically complimenting one of my waifus
I love this.
time to level up my liskarm and build warfarin for overkill
just blew all my savings for her...
im finished
Got her after 100x pull and 3 rate offs, but that doesn't dissapointing😂
one degenbillon damage
such a high quality video
got her and exalter in my second ten pull .. that leaves
Can she ignore Harold's phase 2 mini invicibility phases to kill him instantly ?
Nope, all 3 invul phases cannot be bypassed as far as i know, so you'd have to do 3 separate degen s3's to kill him off
@@popplop8943 Damn, even with Ebenholz's S3 ?!
What about Horn's S2 to try to nuke him, I saw a clear of RS-8 where he got oneshotted that way
I think the 4 invul phases can be bypassed. When he do the steal-the-tower move, he cant use other skills (the invul skill).
I'm only specifically talking about degen's s3 anyway, there should be plenty of videos in bilibili that does 1 shot harold, but they need massive investment and very specific ops so you're usually better off just doing the clear normally, besides rs-7 is generally much better to do as manganese ores are more in demand that crystal conponents
@@aurelienlegendaire1784ebenholz buff army can one shot him
Horn s2 and other damage sources that deal damage instantly should be the same deal
The fact she not only powercreeps Irene (who already powercreeped Ch'en to dead), but she also is a top level nuker, on the same level as Surtr, Mlynar, Ch'en alter, or Texalter, it already shows the direction the game is taking
Am I going to put away Mlynar now that Degenbrecher is out?
You can bench him in most normal stages because he's an overkill button most of the times yes.
I mean, what stop you keep using him if you want?
Degenbrecher still doesn't do true damage, so there are situations where Mlynar is better, especially with his giant silly range and long uptime. Just put him in the square behind her and then forget that quarter of the map exists.
Seems pretty good I suppose I'll pull for her
(Has all ops)
I pulled 50 for her…now im kinda regretting it
If you threw 50 and got her, consider yourself very lucky
that's lucky lol
I refuse to call it Frighten. Disarm was gold, tremble was fine, frighten is stupid
She's just standing there.
_Menacingly!_
It so weird that she has auto recovery in s3 when every other operators in her class have offensive recovery
tbh feels like cheating
HG new design philosophy "weakness for thee but not for me"
6 stars that become broken by just ignoring their class started with Mountain and they've just ran with it lol.
@@k_a4685 nah, just wait for the sp reduction tags in CC where offensive recovery is better.
they’ve been doing this for a while.. I only realized when degenbreacher released w auto recovery, then w alter hitting aerial 😢 what’s the point of the restrictions then kekekeke
She’s okay I guess
Yii arknights...? Is that you...?
@@galecattoyes, that’s what I was going for
I can say that shes at least better then vigil
Yea, she's a bit average. I'm skipping her for the others coming up.
@@justyourusualDoktahWrong
12:21 that is pretty funny
Degen Talent 1 really makes Viviana look like a meme
She was even a meme before that. Viviana’s kit is like a year 1 op. Except some of the ops in that year are actually better. Her biggest issue is her kit is kinda all over the place.
@2265Hello Eh I think thats a bit of an exaggeration. Shes definetly kind of mid in the current meta.
But she would have actually been valuable in year 1. There weren't many options for melee arts damage other than like Mousse i think? And massive collections of 6 stars werent as common back then either so the options were a lot more lacking.
But ofcourse its no longer year 1 meta so that doesnt really matter.
@@2265Helloshe tried to be a laneholder and a bosskiller at the same time, and now she turned into shit.
So unfortunate, Vivianna is so pretty after all.
@@nabi7701yappers Mousse is better than vivi
Making vivianna a ramping arts defender categorically would've been more interesting, not gonna lie. The added stats alone from the archetype would've helped her immensely. Also HG kind of did her dirty with that gameplay design.
Yeah she's amazing but the sound Irene makes when doing the skill is just so satisfying
I like the way you say Swordmasters, it sounds like Swolemasters, and its true they are swole af in damage indeed
I literally just looked for this on the UA-cam search bar and saw it was posted 42 seconds ago lol. First comment lets go! Love your content man!
A pretty good buff partner for her is Heidi S1, it gives a similar damage increase to Skalter S3 while also matching every single S3 unlike most other buffers.
All you degen rollers, good luck 🙏
Really, the most important part about this banner is I pulled Irene.
Swole Master fits her perfectly with those abs 😍
I still baffled why they make her S3 not attack recovery, she's a Swordmaster it's a crime
I think they tried to separate it with Irene's OFFENSIVE. Though, clearly the biggest separation is not in the SP cost/skill timing.
For mass appeal. Too many people think off rec is hard to use. So they sacrificed the integrity of the branch to have her sell more. Personally as a Chen user it's downgrade to me.
I have been baffled since launch in that case.
1) Why is a Core Caster able to deal more AOE Arts damage and generally better than a Splash Caster?
2) Why is an arts guard able to overshadow most of the Casters in Arts damage for years?
3) Why is a Brawler Guard able to replace the role of vanguards for most stages in early game despite not generating DP and can lanehold even better?
If we are talking about just sub-classes, why is Lappland the only Lord unit who only has attack recovery skills? All the rest have at least 1 auto recover skill. Why? Whhhhhyyyyy?😂
In all honesty, those who think that all future units should follow a subclass "specialty" should go back and look at the "exceptions" available since launch or else there will constantly be *Shocked Pikachu Face* 😂
Irene's graph I assume is depicting perfect rng since her s3 levitate doesn't last long enough for her skill damage
She looks fun. And that’s all I care about. 😊
So in short, she is lore accurated
Love your videos in general since they feel like the most objective critique possible, while also providing valuable insight on the operator themselves.
I especially like your style of presentation, since its easy to look at, clear and aesthetically pleasing.
The only critique id personally have would be spoiling bosses outside of global, for anyone thats trying to remain spoiler free for major event bosses, like myself for this case, for the last enemy in 2:45.
I understand wanting to provide the viewer with future information itself, so i get why it was there, and why it would help people.
I belong to a minority of people doing it, so ill have to refrain watching the hindsight videos, but i still hope for the best for you and your success in the future, since for me personally no one compares to your videos in the ak cc space.
Let's watch this so I can be sad that I didn't get her, I pulled to one 6 star, got dupe Mountain rip, but I need to save for Shu. Shouldn't have pulled in the first place, but Degen is so op.
Was literally looking for this last night so glad to know its here
thx as always for the video DragonGJY
honestly i dont care with her damage, but the tremble/frighten effect is really interesting.
I already have Cutter with same archetype, she has module also mastery, and I really like her. I'm in dilemma if should I pull Degen or not.. 😭
Wait, wait, Dragon!
When it comes to ranking Degen 8, did u take into account her 2 major drawback: *glass cannon and tremble inconsistency* ? These 2 explain why Duqarael n Zarro easily bring her down. And when it comes to a fair n square 1 vs 1 duel, she can't hold for long, Slumbering of Sui, or even IS4 shattered champions are example.
Thank you Doctor, really helpful job as always.
106 pulls to get 1 reed, i'm so freaking sad now.
In the future for modules could you have the level 2 numbers as well? At least in the module section? You have ~15.4% for level 1 and ~24.9% at level 3 but I was curious about what level 2 gives
I have slightly different numbers but level 2 and 3 both give roughly 5% per level, so imo you can stay with level 1 if you’re low on blocks for now since the upgrades are more min-max than other upcoming modules.
Thanks for your analysis videos. They've been a great tool for me to decide on what to go for.
ouch, seeing Ray so low HURTS MY SOUL
it's pull priority, not really a commentary on Ray power
it makes logical sense for creators to say this but it's created a sort of anti-Ray echo chamber when she's not only a top-tier sniper but also an excellent complement to W and Ela (W is not dealing with single targets at range like Ray is)
Blame Wiš'adel, although Ray and Ela are still pretty damn strong if you want them.
her pull priority score is valid imo and that's not a low score
@botcchidotcchi oh but it is low. the graph itself puts her on a spot close to low.
and it still hurts you know? i know she's an awesome sniper but seeing her down there really really hurts..
@@galeria_m owh you meant this 19:43? See the scores instead, it's more accurate. Ray's scores similar to Ascalon but the graph indeed lower, Shu's also lower than Ela.
Wooohoooo another Operator Hindsight dropped, before the operator release to boot!
Should've named her Regelbrecher
A comment for the algorithm
I know she's good when I see the auto recovery skill
the way how you pronounce "sword" sounds like "swole" lol
HELL YEAH MY BEEFED UP SWORD LADY
Should I pull even if I have Irene already e2 with s3m3 and module?
@@JPOG7TV depend, do you plan to go for the limited collab that is really close to us ?
If you have enough spare resources then I would say yes, Degen is considered to be the (arguably) strongest guard in the game rn, being on pair with Mlynar. The gap between her and Irene is so big that is not funny anymore.
But if you are tight on pulls then you can skip her, consider her event will get a rerun next year
What's the starter team with Degen on IS4?
More of the juicy content.
If I ever get and build her, I will not use her S3 on principle. (even if it does have a cool animation. Ugh)
Welp, after draining everything for Degen, time to save up for my bad-bitch Wis'adel
There is one clear weakness: being release very close to 2 OP limited unit Shu and Red woman.
note for reference that the 'w' in sword is silent. Appreciate the content, I'm trying not to think of the new era as power creep so I can concentrate on having fun.
Surely 3 pulls will be enough to get her
Turns out 3 was not enough. It was 6
it was actually 3 for me lmao
I cant believe i almost forget the best gamemode, RA. It get s2 which is awesome
Great series, love the content presentation and ability breakdowns.
It bugs me how good she is after Viviana was so underwhelming.
Is she worth to pull? Considering many limited banners after her banner
shes more newbie friendly than Mlynar is and in late game, she's up there as one of the best guards. One could argue the best guard or the second best guard depending on the person so yes, VERY worth the pull.
personally, i dont like to play along the meta and just like enjoyable gameplay so anyone too broken isn't up my alley. id rather skip her and pull Ray.
@@galeria_mokayy, thanks for the info
very broken operator for gameplay
If you are aiming every limited after this you can skip, cuz her single banner will get a rerun a year later
@@sylphyyyyy And ofc, she can spook you in any following banner ... lol
I'm gonna do a 10 pull or so... I really hope I get lucky
I wasted everything on her.
Thank you for these videos! Very informative
Took 30 pulls.. not too bad I guess
Finally I can turn off my brain and farm IS
im a bit tempted to pull her now dragon but i need to be humble and not do it
Why is Ray not going to have a rerun banner? Am I missing something here?
Ray's event is one of those mini events which dont get reruns
@@notaiden8486 Really? Oh man, I already spent some of my pulls on Degen banner... I hope I still can get her later 😫
Reject dps classes.
I just got her and still have the 6 star selector. Should I choose Mlynar for more damage or someone like Ines or Reedalter?
Ines
Reed alter has a solo banner coming up fairly soon.
12:23 why is this so funny 😭 She rly said 🧍♀🧍♀🧍♀
What the mean of "non-limited banner that does not rerun" ?
Is that operator never have rerun banner but still included in standard banner?
It means she won't get Solo banner rerun, Her event won't have Rerun
Some Event and the featured operator can have Rerun
It means if u want her, this is only best time to do it otherwise u just expect to get her from off rate which much harder
Want buy her from shop? 2 years wait for that
So for 2 week events with ex stages like this one the event's banner reruns with the event. Vignettes (no ex stages, you unlock story with those record things) dont rerun, therefore neither the banners that run with them. Either way, the operator gets added to the standard pool
Ok thanks guys, now i know
Hilarious.
Can someone tell me about her base skill best pair with?
Liskarm and degen skill 2 daily medicine 😊
@@dreamwarrior9087 OP is talking about her *BASE* skill. The one in our base
@@Vadikus2424 aaaa thanks, i didn't get it
You keeps giving us banger videos, despite this baffling mistake of gamedesign as a topic.
did i miss it or was there no mention of SSS. Irene is currently the queen of SSS and Degenbrecher just outperforms her soo badly lol
SSS is not difficult content and you can make anyone broken in it. even then, irene is not the best for that gamemode, that title should go to other ops.
We have so many SSS carries so might be why it wasn’t mentioned, just another drop in the bucket.
I hate, no, I HATE how she is broken, same as Walter HG just spits on their own rules
S3 should be offensive recovery and even then her damage outperform others, i'd nerf it also AND EVEN THEN she would be viable because of her disarm mechanic
"DISGUSTING!" Karen.png