FU-Tone.com Ibanez Edge 3 Block Install and Demo
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- FU-Tone.com Ibanez Edge 3 Block Install and Demo.
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FU-Tone's Adam Reiver takes an Ibanez Edge III guitar rebuilds the bridge and install a big block. See how to float your bridge and block your guitar. Tips on how to intonate your guitar. Hear the before and after.
May be a older video, but im new to the Edge III, this was the best easy to understand video. Great Instructions and Instructor. Thanks
I love these blocks, I have them on all my axes. I hope Fu-Tone comes up with a big brass block for the edge zero 2 zps and non-zps version.
I bought the Ibanez Edge III FU BIG BLOCK, Heavy Duty Silent Springs - RED, Brass Spring Claw and Brass Spring Claw Screws to change the guitar ones (Ibanez RG370DX with Egde 3 vibrato).
I returned them after experiencing the following issues:
First of all, I can no longer push the tremolo arm down because the tremolo block hits one of the cavity walls and thus limits its movement. The tremolo arm also has limited movement when lifting, also because the block hits the inner walls of the cavity. I can't even adjust the adjusting screw for tighten or loosen the arm rotation torque(this can only be done by pressing the tremolo arm all the way down, almost reaching the surface of the guitar). I think it's a mistake to design the block because some corners should have been rounded, as the original piece shows.
Second, I did a test by recording the guitar before and after the new block was assembled. The result is irrelevant when it comes to improving the sound of the guitar(no sustain improvement: no major sound improvement, only about 10%).
The "silent springs" are noisier than the Teflon ones of the guitar. You can hear the springs on the audio file "Ibanez after" at the begining and at 0 : 53.
When I told Adam about these issues, he told me that all prototypes and hundreds of Edge 3 installs without this issue.
I mention that the aspects I presented above were not detailed in any way either on the site or in this video.
With this post I want to let you know my experience with these products and I just want other potential buyers to know before making a decision in this regard.
For example, here are some videos and audio before and after mounting those fu-tone spare parts:
Video:
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Audio:
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you have a point, I was concerned you see no use of the whammy in this video , which is a main reason of having a whammy bar is to use it ,
from another video
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this was said ''It's a special shape, so you'll have to get one that's specifically made for the Edge III trem. Other block shapes wont fit. As far as I know, there aren't sizes to choose from. The one in the video is bigger than the original though. When I bend the pitch down, the block hits one of the walls in the cavity. That's only a problem if you want to dive bomb. Hope that helps!'
@@thebat2785 Glad that someone else noticed the same problem. I hope Adam will read these comments.
Very helpful video, comprehensive, explaining every step. A big thank you!!
So when are we ever going to see upgradable big blocks and other parts for left handed floyds and edges? i'd love to build my own custom trem too, but can't because there are no lefty options for parts that do require left orientation.
Love Adam and FU-Tone. They replaced my spring tool with absolutely no hassle. I'm a customer for life!
Great products Adam. Thanks for the instructional videos. I upgraded my herd with FU Tone blocks and saddle pins and am amazed at the difference.
Thank You Maxreverse!!!! Made my day!
Great product. I'm a believer.
The sustain is ridiculous compared to the stock block. Big difference..
OMG, this is so easy. I have the same tremolo and I always had problems tuning it.
Add the brass block for massive tone and more stability. Add a trem stopper for the ultimate in stability - you can still dive.
@@FloydUpgrades I'm about to do this. I'm tired of messing with my edge 3 all the time...
I am very interested in buying this block, could you make the block for this bridge an option without the arm socket bridge so that it is possible to upgrade to a better one without plastic sleeve and screw that holds the arm.
Nice drone camera work!
The video that put it all into perspective for me, ironically using the exact same Ibanez guitar lol.
JUST GOT MY BIG BLOCK AND FOUND A SET OF IBANEZ B5 RAILS....MY OL YELLER. OLD YELLOW. RG IS GONNA KILL
very helpful video, thanks a lot!
i confirm that this is one of the best upgrade you can do on your ibanez. original blocks are in fact junk!
Thank You MTC!
Hello Adam! How about a brass block for the Ibanez Edge Zero tremolo System? The stock zinc block lacks in sustain and harmonics. Thank you! Cheers from Mexico City
Where can I buy the Edge III compatible bridge block?
Thanks for this video...
Guys buy GE1996T by Gotoh it is coming with a brass block as well and Edge 3 is really designed with poor materials. Gotoh is perfect for you in both ways, you'll thank me
Hi sir, did you use the existing screw from edge block? Or you buy a new one for futone?? Thanks
after setting up my edge 3, stock, following the proper guide and instructions and trying a couple times no matter what it doesn't want to go back to the proper resting place after using the wammy bar. I've stretched the strings and they're good, but I'm wondering if the springs are my issue. Any insight?
What exactly does the bigger block do? I am a little new to this, and I have a lot of trouble keeping my Edge 3 in tune. Will this help?
Yes - The main function is for increased sustain, punch and clarity. The added mass and weight also provide more stability.
These videos are only ever helpful. Thank you so much! I was actually hoping you could perhaps answer a question that I have concerning the Red Heavy Springs. I'm using D'Addario "Chromes" Flatwound 12-52 strings, and the tension in pounds is 162.17 - will the Reds be enough to give me the tension balance that I need between the strings and the spring tension of the Heavy Reds?
Yes - I would go with the PURPLE though so you have some room.
Awesome bro!
Does the thicker brass block limit the travel of the trem? I'f so, is a cavity expansion necessary?
@ FU-TONE: I have a new (to me) RG 420 with an Edge 3 trem that I hardtailed. I was wondering if having a big or normal sized brass block would wear away the Edge 3's knife edges faster than normal. I haven't disassembled to check the knife edges yet, but was wondering about this because if it does make the knife edges more prone to wearing, then I may be better off leaving it hardtailed even after the block install. Thanks for all you do; looking forward to trying this thing out!
The brass block will not change the outcome of your knife edges. It will give you a ton more sustain, tone, warmth and clarity. I would set it with a brass trem stopper for dive only motion which will add even more TONE!
@@FloydUpgrades I really appreciate that info, Adam,; Will be ordering soon (along with a brass claw/screws). Oh, and happy turkey day!
@@wilsonstrickland8967 - Thanks! Please let me know how you like it!
Eventually found something to wedge the little ****** in place. Tightened everything up and the strings are resting on the fretboard all the way down. I can't see how to raise the bridge high enough to give clearance unless it sits at an angle and not parallel.
Ur gonna want your bridge to sit as parallel as possible. Gonna help with intonation, playability, and more. I just did a brass block and noiseless spring upgrade on my RG550 with an “original edge” bridge. Let me know if i can help
Can you do a video showing how a new tone block improves an Ibanez 7 String?
Yes - I will! It is the same - more sustain, clarity, punch, tonality!
Wy didt you put in a new block?
I'm still weighing whether to go the block upgrade route or buy a Gotoh 1996T (Floyd) and do a smidge of routing. I upgraded all locking screws to stainless steel, new springs, and lubed the fulcrum posts. Tuning is MUCH better but still no where near an Edge or OFR. The other consideration is ROI- the guitar in question only cost me $150 but I like the mahogany body and shape of the neck. I'm in maybe $50 in parts already. Thoughts?
Go for Gotoh
And Gotoh is comin with an installed brass block
Hey bro i have a edge 3 tremolo bridge and I lost all my Ellen key and all I don't have any idea what to do and other guitar Ellen key doesn't fit in it what to do
There's a terrific product that FU (or Amazon) sells called the HexHider - it's a Floyd wrench that attaches magnetically to tuners on the back of your headstock so you never lose it. Only ~$17 for a pair of them.
You guys have any for Jackson JT580LP's?
Hi is there a way to convert the stock direct insertion tremolo socket into a locked screwed-in socket on the edge III ? Thanks
ur the man once again great video
Thanks Bubbafret!!! That means a lot!
I love the added sustain I am hearing from the Brass Block, but does the block being that much bigger than the stock one still allow for full floating? I have to still be able to flutter to my heart's desire.
Not at all! Flutter away! Make Brad Gillis proud!
Awesome! Thanks for the quick response. I will be ordering one soon!
FU - TONE One more question: I’ll be getting the 7 string version of the block. I’m currently using 4 springs to keep the bridge level with the body when I am not using the tremolo, since I use a 10-46 set of strings, with a 59 for the low B. Would I be able to just use 3 springs with the same string gauge if I get one of your high tension noiseless spring sets, and which set of springs would you recommend for my setup?
Yes - the red would work. I would lean to the purple (x heavy)... Either way would work.
What is the difference in changing the block? Im new so still learning
Great video....just curious but why do you have tape covering the logos on the head and cabinets?
Im a new ibanez guitar user sir. And i think i need to change the block. What kind of block should i use in my RG350ex ?
I realize this was 3 months ago and you may have found your answer already, but if you haven't, the RG350EX has an Edge 3 like the one in the video, so you'll need to get a block made for the Edge 3 for it
Whenever I use my edge three the bridge never returns to its original position. It either stays in place when I release the whammy bar or it moves a little but never returns to the original position so it always detunes in the middle of playing. Adjusting my springs hasn’t helped. Would the brass block fix my problem?
The Edge III are cheap made. The knives are made with soft metal and will lose their sharpness quickly; that's the main issue with cheaper edge vibratos. In this case, it would cost you a bit, but you can have it replaced with an Edge Pro, wich is way better quality (not Lo-Pro Edge or Edge II, they won't fit).
But first things first, just check its alignment. This vibrato has a very uncommon shape, and the top of the plate must not be parallel to the table, unlike every other floyd rose in existence. It must be parallel to the BOTTOM of the plate, wich can't be seen because it's inside the body. Total nonsense, wich makes it hard to properly adjust this vibrato.
I have the same guitar without pickguard with the same bridge in perfect condition (knife edges like new), perfectly aligned with guitar body but it's impossible to make it stay in tune. When I bend it a bit forward (normal playing) and release, notes are a bit flat, when I bend it backwards and release notes are a bit sharp. Never goes exactly back to point zero. I can't think anything else than bad springs but I am not sure if springs go bad by years. Any help please?
Maybe... I would replace the posts and springs to start - as well as the block... Not just for tonal reasons - it is more solid and stable.
Is it possible to remove the string lock blocks from the saddles of an Edge III? I've got some that are worn out and won't hold strings anymore, but I don't want to replace the entire saddle. With normal Floyds they practically fall out by themselves, but I cannot figure out how to remove them from an Edge III!!
Great information, Thanks for posting this video
is it available here in the ph?
Where did you buy your T head flat screwdriver?
Does this type of bridge work on Rg370dx?
Depends on which bridge you have - email pics - adam@fu-tone.com
I just bought a second hand GIO GRG270b. It has an Edge 3 tremolo on it. The previous dude had fat gauge strings and low tuning. I am sure he swapped the tremolo springs on the back too and the rear plate that the springs hook onto was screwed right in tight to the body so theres no room for adjustment at all. The trems riding high, and it takes Arnold Schwarzeneger arms to move the tremolo unit. So Im swapping the trem springs from another guitar because they're a bit softer tension and easier to bend, while everything is off im unscrewing that screw-in plate thing so theres room to adjust in the future. I have regular 9/42 strings so Im hoping to get the springs set up so it sits flush when tuned up but I have a question...
I need a replacement trem bar for the Edge 3. Is it the straight direct insert type bar that just pushes in, or does it have the ball like joint on the insert part of the trem that kind of snaps the bar into a socket?
What ibanez model?
what number for... 16 25 and 34 at the below bridge line..can u share?
Same. What number order for the saddle s please?
Is that tremolo licensed under Floyd Rose patents or not?
Very helpful, thank you!
Yippie Kia yay Hans!
what trem's will replace the Edge 3's as a drop and swap no extra routing etc required?
Ibanez Edge Pro, but it's approx. the same price as your guitar. Might as well burn the thing in a camp fire, which is what I'm thinking about doing with mine. :((
@@Juicexlx burn what? The guitar? No way.. all guitars can be built up into great guitars. I've done this many times. I've just never replaced an Edge 3 before.
@@ryant3600
I think the Floyd Rose is very close to fitting.
Might need to shorten back locking screws a bit.
Sits closer to the bar side for some reason.
Will this mod help with flutter trick? My edge 3 (RG350DX) does almost no fluttering...
Usually caused by bad knife edges.
@@Dastardly_X knives are OK...
mine were ok also.
I've always believed 3 straight springs were best for flutter. Maybe superstition.
I recently wrapped posts in nylon tape to solidify, they was moving in inserts a lot .
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Think I'll try new posts from F U .
Probably much better than the tape !
Have you tried lubricating knife edges ?
It's new to me , but I see guys recommending Chapstick or dry PTFE lubricant .
@@Dastardly_X already tried everything... Knives are straight and lubricated with chapstick. Posts are not moving. Using only two gotoh springs... I thing it's a problem with the Ibanez Edge III model...
I dont know hot to put and fix the whammy bar... Some help?
Email me with you specific issues. adam@fu-tone.com
what does it do ????
help please
Very cool.
is the edge III any good?
The little plastic arm insert is stuck in the stock block. How do I get it out?
Thin needle nose pliers - slide down the wall of the hole.
@@FloydUpgrades Half of the plastic is still stuck in the hole like it was glued in there. Any idea on how to get the rest off?
@@CTorres_1993 Email me - I may have a spare - adam@fu-tone.com
@@FloydUpgrades I already ordered a replacement. Thank you for the offer.
@@FloydUpgrades Well, that is nice of you!
Question: can you adjust the trem bar height on a Floyd Rose? It's on my Wolfgang and the bar (at the bend going into the bridge) looks like it's sticking up too much. Thanks 👍
Cuál es la medida de la llave para el puente y la cejilla?
English?
@@FloydUpgrades how is the size of the allen key?
@@kalmercury 3mm
Same block use in ibanez edge zero 2?
Sorry fed - not this block.
FU - TONE which block can I use?
Z blocks in the pipe.
FU - TONE thank you sir! your the man
big block is more
The most annoying thing with this tremolo is the whole "level the base plate" Issue. Cause the base plate already has an angle to it slightly downwards which makes it inceribly hard to avtually level. In contrast to most other tremolos where the base plate can actually be leveled by just eyebaling it to the guitar boyds top. you cant really do that here with the edge 3. a nightmare.
the trem bar socket on EDGE III is made of PLASTIC, that means its not made for any kind of durability, its a cheap and silly design flaw. What kind of an idiot would design a tremolo socket made of plastic ? mine became wobbly and loose, i hated every aspect of using that bridge. I destroyed that bridge after replacing it with the TRS.
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If you want anything good it better come from the 80’s, lol
Mine isn't made of plastic it's cast aluminum but has a plastic sleeve that goes down inside and mine has 2 set screws to hold it and to use for how much tension or how easily the term arm moves . There's also a 3rd Allen head screw right on the bottom of the term arm cavity where that plastic sleeve sits that has a small cone shaped spring and that allows you to set how high or low you want your trem arm to sit in that cavity.
What exactly does the bigger block do? I am a little new to this, and I have a lot of trouble keeping my Edge 3 in tune. Will this help?
bluezedd Thanks, I found out what was causing my problems. I busted the knife edges. Looks like I gotta file them down now.