Someone on here brought up a good point. Ravers back in the 90s were the geeks/nerds or just didn't fit in anywhere except parties. We were made fun of by a lot of the mainstream crowd because of the music and how we dressed. We were weird and parties were our escape to be around other "weirdos". It's crazy how it became such a huge trend.
I am 55 and have been to Beyond Wonderland, Dreamstate, Anjunabeats (festivals) as well as many LA clubs where I have seen Glitch Mob, Deadmau5, Infected Mushroom, Black Gummy to name a few. You are never too old to bliss out and vibe!!
RAVE stands for Radical Auditory Visual Experience. Period. So it can really be a descriptive term for alot of different types of shows. I mainly classify them as either underground, massive, or a show i.e 1 major headliner.
@@TarmanTheChampion not sure if you're trolling and referring to LSDream, but the word rave was used to describe parties since the 50s, long before lasers or edm existed. I've been in the rave scene for 21 years and I used to hear Ravers always try to say that's what RAVE stood for, it's nothing more than a sort of urban legend.
When I raved In the 90s early 200 raves were starting to transition into more festivals edc was just electric daisy carnival and 40 bucks to get in . Now it’s massive . We all predicted In the future all this music would be on clubs and get way bigger and more commercial. Yep they have . The raves I went to also had a few Rooms also sometimes super small
Damn girl your killing it on these vids! I think "rave" is now more of an umbrella term. Where I live we have alot of underground events held in warehouse. If I were going to one of them I say an underground rave if I am going to a show at a venue I still say rave. That seems to be the norm where I am too. Multiple stage events should be a festival though.
Big ups to you woman! Very well explained. I Especially love how you informed newcomers how to find underground shows. I went to my first party at 13 as well in 1993. I'm now 44 and have yet to stop. It's truly a foundational part of who I am today. Thank you for noticing the difference and good luck to your channel!
I’m in my 40s the electronic music never left me. Started my rave in the 90s all throughout the east coast all the way up to Toronto where they had harder happy hardcore scenes back than. DNB is pretty much my love and has been for the past 25 years or so. It’s good to see electronic music has stayed, evolve, got big and see kids enjoying it in a much friendlier and saver environments like festivals and shows. No more handing out flyers and waiting for an exact locations in the sketchiest locations. As I get older I do enjoy the lighter liquid, jazzy then the hard hitting tech step, roller or darker DNB. It’s just easier on the ear these days. Whatever it is, enjoy it, stay save and PLUR
You're too young to know what a rave is. Some of us were there at the birth of the REAL RAVE in the UK in the mid '80s and '90s. If you're not waking up in a wet muddy field somewhere in the middle of Kent, hungover, with split ear-drums and wondering WTF you dropped last night and who you are then you haven't been to a rave sweetie ;-)
Part of the excitement of going to raves, at least during the '90s, was the uncertainty of the night. You never knew where the party actually was or if it was going to get shut down. Trying to find the map point and loading up in the back of a U-Haul truck to be taken to the party's secret location was always an adventure.
Mad props to you for not vlogging at underground parties. It definitely kills the vibe and it makes it less special of people have their camera out the whole time
Nowadays the two terms can be synonymous. In the 90s, music festivals in America were actually called Rave Massives and only around the blow up on edm in the late 2000s did it start being called music festivals to avoid the stigma of the bad word "rave". In the 90s and early 2000s, it was common for Ravers to avoid going to rave massives as those were felt to be too mainstream. There was a visual divide between the underground and the rave massives and like I mentioned with the blow up of EDM, the two lines blurred. Biden's rave act that he tried to pass in 2003 didn't help the underground scene either, scaring alot of promoters into going towards a more "legal" direction.
I have been raving for the past 25 years or so, and you are def. NOT "old", girl! Lol!... Besides, you're as young as you feel, and since I've been going to as many local raves and EDM shows and concerts that I can for that long, (but without getting all f-ed up on drugs or alchohol like so many do), I think that the MUSIC and the DANCING is what helps keep me young, healthy, and full of life!... I'm 47 but I still feel like and have the energy and stamina of most people who are half my age! I contribute that partly to the PLUR lifestyle and just being a Positive Energy, and Loving person, and being a raver for so many years, (decades), has helped me to always remain that way throughout my life so far... I've never been able to afford to go to any large scale music festivals tho', unfortunately, because they are just way too expensive for my income, but one day hopefully I will be able to somehow get to go to EDC Vegas at the very least! I'm not sure exactly HOW to do that yet, but it's always been on my "bucket list" of festivals to see before I'm "too old" to go and still dance the night(s) away!... There's no set age where you're really "too old" for doing that though, if you've still got the energy for it, which I luckily do... Plus, I've actually seen a few seniors in their 50's, 60's, and even one guy dancing up a storm one time at an outdoor rave I went to, who turned out to be 75!! I was like; "That's awesome dude!" He was having a grand ol' time! All the girls were dancing with him, Lol! Proof RT that you're NEVER, REALLY "too old" to dance and have FUN!... So YOU still have MANY more years to go if you stay healthy and fit, and you so choose to still go to them and enjoy the music and dancing, as I still do! :)
Korsakov is held in the Maassilo, an abandoned wheat silo & factory, repurposed as rave location. It's not really underground, as it's usually high quality (& cost) events being held, but it does have that gritty, abandoned factory, underground feel, but does depend on the amount lighting. I've had both DnB, Crossbreed and Psy raves there, atmosphere was totally different, each time, although they never manage to fully shed the underground vibe, thankfully.
I do, festivals and raves while they seem the same, are worlds apart. Rest while are so mainstream raves aren't, it was about the music, people, and culture, it was anarchy and poetic chaos with such good vibes. Plus raves burn till the sun rises, but we have a 25 yr old acting like a vet lol.Festivals are very mainstream, the people are not very "PLUR" act very douche like and are getting g drunk and lit causing the douche factor. The music are so so different in their music, I remember in 2013 went to a wannabe rave it was sanctioned and there were older people their that booed just about every DJ because they were playing EDM. Sigh if these kids younger than 30 would have got the chance they would see the difference. And flyers were a part of raves, that was your badge, your proof lol.
Yea I went to go see Deorro in SD @ OMNIA and people thought me and my friend were rolling because we were jumping and having a good time while many were just watching and standing around. definitely a different vibe at a club.
I know I'm grasping at straws here, but if anyone has any info. on any HDM events happening in the northeast (near NYC) I would greatly appreciate it. I follow a lot of local (and non-local) DJs on FB and it seems to be a total dead-zone here for hard dance. Its very upsetting. Great vid. Kandi. Started raving back in the early 90s and through the early 2000s. Just recently got back into the scene. I think the term rave was something we used for all EDM/HDM events because theyre really werent any festivals back then. Everything was in illegal warehouses with nothing but a couple strobe lights and a smoke machine. It was all pretty much underground back then. I think its just a generic term that we use today. Probably more about the act of "raving" than the actual venue.Just my take.
Raves were best in my time back in 98, 99. EDM I think has evolved from the rave culture into all these music festivals your talking about. Clubs, didn’t really like them everyone seemed so about themselves and too many fights over stupid things. Thanks for the vid, great info, especially for all the newbies party animals.
If you want an idea of what outdoor raves used to be like back in the late 90's/early 2000's, look up "Even Further," which, up until all this corona crap happened, is an annual event in rural northern Wisconsin. No flashy stuff, no pyrotechnics, no DJ booths 100 feet above the dancefloors, no jumbotrons, or fireworks. Just good music, good vibes, and good people. Not saying anything bad about what goes on today, don't misunderstand me. I am only saying it was different back then, not necessarily better or worse. I have to at least say that in all fairness and so I don't just sound like some old school, jaded ass, gen X retired raver. After all, the last party I went to was "Frequency Clear" just south of H-town back in April 17, 2001. Never have been to events like EDC or Ultra or anything like that, so I really don't have an opinion on it. But, yeah, check out "Even Further" if you get a chance.
i just realized that 80s and 90s raves were about dancing. today's festivals are so crowded all the people do is jump up and down and wave their arms. there's no room to actually dance.
Here in Brazil it's different, rave is always open air and only plays trance. when it's indoors and house is played we call it a ballad like the ones you put at the end of the video. and festival here is also the same, ultra, Tomorrowland, edc.
here in the netherlands (and i gues in the whole of europe) the phrase "rave" is not used very commenly i think that this has a lot to do with the history of dance over here back in the days when acid evolved in to mellow, hardcore, trance etc etc the phrase "rave" was linked to "harder" events but today you could say we would call any 1 stage indoor (edm) event a rave and any multi stage be it indoor or outdoor a festival anyway enjoy the vibe and the music !!!
How long have you been in the scene? Have you ever heard of I Want Candie? and it started thru word of mouth. From Sothern California. Now in the midwest I will be doing I Want Candie Corn next year.
Raves were actually focused on individuals who came from broken homes, abusive parents, alcoholic parents, outcasts who tend to be different from the norm society. People you'd never expect to see at these parties, you would see. Nowadays, it's a mixture. Which, lead in more toxic people, to be quite honest. People go to raves now, just to be someone they are not. Who in fact isn't there for the music, they're there to fit in. Back in the day people went to express their true identity and their authentic self. By all means, I'm in no way in bashing the modernized rave scene, at all. I'm just speaking out true facts on what has been very vivid in my own rave scene experience. With that said and done... I'd like to add for the new generation out there, just be aware at all times. Don't let the X trick your mind into thinking everyone's loving, caring and real or in other words on your side. Find that one true friend and party like a MFing rave star bc even though it's a mixture of people, you can still have a great fcking time.
What classifies a rave as a rave? Is it somewhat subjective or does the term only apply to underground, smaller, independent events? Sometimes other than the size and budget or legal status of these events, there are virtually no differences. I say this with the caveat that I have never been to an EDC or Tomorrowland. I live in SLC UT also and have been going to raves since 2008. I have only raved locally and have only been to a handful of underground raves. (And loved them) The largest show I've been to would be a Das Energi. I consider any EDM event that has grown out of rave culture and stays true to it to be a rave. I personally differentiate them by mainstream raves and underground raves. I call heavily advertised festivals mainstream raves, we use to call these huge events massives because although raves use to be smaller and underground, they still have that culture and style and crowd that is unique to raves. (EDM, Plur, Kandi, unique visuals and weather we want to talk about it or not, the drug culture) I know that in the commercialization of EDM shows some things have changed for these bigger events in order for them to be legal and sanctioned, but essentially they are giant raves. I still love the underground scene and never want to see it disappear! I can understand why you make the distinctions you do, as these different events are in certain ways, well... different. The club scene is especially different from other EDM events and not for the better in my opinion. Perhaps If I am lucky enough to go to the amazing festivals you have experienced (EDC, Tomorrowland etc.) I would change my mind, but I expect not, as they seem as plur and "raveish" as any rave I've been to if not more so. Sorry for all my commas and probably bad grammar.
I started raving in Utah in 97. Everything was a rave at that point...or a house party, oh how I miss a good house party. I remember when the term "massives" first started, probably around luv2k (no idea how I still remember that) as far as I know we started calling them massives because capacity was 5,000+. Over the years my terminology has changed. To me if its in a club, it's a show. If its in a warehouse or a small desert party or like parties we used to have at Utah Lake, I would consider those raves. If its at an arena or large venue with one stage, I would call it a concert. Not until it's a multi-day event held at some kind of fairgrounds or huge outside area should it be identified as a festival. I think the term "rave" has it's place but it is not as broad as it once was and I think it carries a negative stereotype to an unknowing audience, which is another reason why I try and limit my usage of the term "rave". Obviously this is my own, old-ass opinion. How's the rave scene in Utah these days? Have you ever heard of the "no dance law after 2 a.m." in SLC county? I don't know if that is still a thing, but it was when I used to party there! lol, it was ridiculous. In I think 04 I remember one rave that was in the Wells Fargo building on like the 13th floor, the producers invited the mayor of SLC at the time to prove that it was a friendly atmosphere, I don't know if he actually showed up or not. It was wild though, when you were down on street level you could see lights and lasers shooting out of the windows up on whatever floor we were on. I would have never thought that there would have been a rave at that location. That was the last rave I attended in Utah.
@@fishinlouie I agree that around luv2k is when "Massives" started, I miss the shows from around this time. I also miss the underground desert and warehouse raves, I haven't heard of an underground party in a few years. If there are still underground raves happening around here I need to figure out who to ask about them. I know the term rave has a negative connotation with folks and that's actually one reason why I'm even more stubborn about not using other terms. I feel like if we call these things raves and can show that they aren't some dark evil thing, it will be better than avoiding the term. The 2 a.m. law is still a thing, another reason the underground is the shit! Iv'e heard stories about that party at the Wells Fargo building, that is wild!
@@tylergrasshopper good times, had to call the hotline to get map to get in. The ol Paintball Planet in like Sandy i think, DDO buildings in Ogden, "the cliffs", Knolls. Used to be a crazy scene in Utah back in the day. I went to the millennium rave at Utah State Fairgrounds for NYE 1999. Anyway, I'm excited to finally check EDC off the list.
So for the longest time I ddnt understand why my friends started going bc I was a hater.. I asked the same shit why do y’all care? .. then one night I said fuck it I’m gonna go.. and it was the best experience of my life and I go to shows & fests ever since.. it’s not only about the music it’s the vibes of being with friends, camping , exploring .. drugs, if your into that. It’s so much more
It’s not that easy like you assume and it’s easy to judge until you actually attempt doing this. Being a good DJ requires being a good producer. Real DJs produce their own music and remixes, not just playing music.
Excuse me, I had a motorcycle accident 13 days after I turned 21, I’ve been away from the world for 6+ years, so I don’t understand there is a difference? Oh …what she’s saying makes sense ❤️🩹 #MusicLoverrForever! &#Subscribed ILY 🤟🏼
Rave= radical audio visual event. Honestly the word has lost it's meaning. Raves are super rare. Venues are almost impossible to obtain in California unless your a large scale crew. I've probably only gone to one legit rave in the last year. I think raving is more a state of mind now. I personally think the whole categories to events is elitism and exclusionary.
Literally and the word rave / raving actually comes from the meaning of “partying hard” apparently. Those claiming raves are only the illegal events now are elitist to the extreme because all of it literally looks the same to me. Both club events, massive convention events and outdoors. Outdoors just have a different vibe because it’s exposed on a massive scale with multiple stages and it’s legal. Same with club/convention centre events. Just because it is not exactly like the original doesn’t lessen its value. Original scene had eurodance and purely non-vocal techno, yet we clearly evolve don’t we? Now we have vocal trance…
The title captivated my interest. I had been in music festival, but a RAVE, I don’t think I ever did. I don’t even know what a RAVE is if I stepped into one. My fills with anticipation when I came across this title and of course I had to check it out. You started out great! Giving visual examples of the types of music events that are not RAVE. However, when it’s time to show visual examples of a true RAVE, you revert to being respect and did not have any visual representation of RAVE. It was truly a let down! Yes I am all for respect but you could vlog with a respectful manner. You could have asked the RAVE Organizer for permission to video and tell them the reason why you are video taping. You asked permission, if granted , you vlog respectful, not showing faces of the attendants. You needed to video the atmosphere, the silhouettes of a good time that built on respect, love, tolerates… etc.. After watching your video, instead of having a knowledge of what a RAVE is, I walk away with the same question and a bunch of images of what not a rave but kinda similar… Hopefully you have changed your views and show respect to your viewers that you deliver what you intended and stated in the title of the video.
Any true NE American raver in the late 90’s know the grimey line we stood in while hearing the muffled bass that always sounded like techno, but it wasn’t always. You could follow the smell to the dust dealer, there was always house dealers at clubs, and you weren’t fighting bf/gf you were blowing Vics vapor rub in a fallen soldier on the ground to be sure they were OK. Also, you had a guest list or handed out flyers at one point.
Detroit is the exception. Always. I even started to defend myself on the club part but then I remembered how spoiled I am. The club scene outside my city is probably pretty shitty, whereas Detroit clubs basically is the rave scene
Rave is all about the vibe. That's what matters practically. If its a bunch of people who have just come there to get absorbed into the music - not a care in the world about hype, how they look, anything else really - then that's what matters. Of course, you are more likely to see this at the smaller events. I've never really been to a derelict warehouse, falling over riot police and people trippin balls, clad in glow sticks. I think these instances of 'real rave' underground counter-culture (usually straight up illegal) are few and far between these days. Even bush doofs are branding themselves as festivals, Big mainstream DJs trying to look cool by having 'warehouse' concerts. Underground club culture is where its at, and you're right, the smaller the event, the more likely you are to find that vibe. Not to say bigger events, with bigger DJs can't have that vibe too. You get to know the DJs, and the promoters that are good for it. Went to loads of D&B events in London and there was a HUGE difference in vibe between them. even at the same venue. Not to act all elitist about it though. Love a huge festival, ticking off big artists, love lining up Jager bombs in the club. But as you say, that stuff is easier to find.
Break down in simple terms Festival- is multiple stages with different genres on a large scale Concert- one artist on a semi big or big stage in legal venue Rave- usually in a run down warehouse, desert or forest and you need map point or invite to get directions Majority of festival goers are not ravers plan n simple. 14yr raver here Peace out
That San Francisco HTID Pre-party! Okay totally banking that was a "No Left Turn" run rave. Mitomoro on stage in the second clip, and I'm about 99% certain I saw Cheesy P at the front of the crowd at one point. Also Love how it wasn't explicitly said but like you showed the rave clips and it was exactly the typical underground styles of edm: hardcore, DnB and techno.(Obviously not a hard steadfast rule on music sub-genres but totally captured the energy of underground vs festival)
@@CottonKandi ahhh! So you know him! He lived here in Columbus years ago and I was hanging out with him at an anime con back at his first time DJing. Funny enough that exact anime con ended up also bring my first DJing gig just one year later.
I was worried I would get backlash from saying this but like, I just recommend people should hit up actual raves if they haven't yet. They're a completely different experience. Ya know?
These new festivals are wack I remember back in the 90s in downtown LA when they had blast, and secret squirrel now those were real raves, now people can't even distinguish any genres in electronic music, I don't see anymore junglists, or hardcore kids anymore, even in Romania the gabber,hardcore party's aren't even raves their massives raves are a rare thing now, everything is a massive music festival that's why I stopped raving, shout outs to sid z and the old skool PWLY crew, and the moon tribe.
I hate being an ass about this but. Your way too young to have gone to a real rave , from the 2010 and up are just fumes. Just saying it was a early 90's thing and the main difference in a rave was they were over packed and full of drugs for sale and the music was a raw tone different then club seen or house music. Festivals are big safe parties. Desert events are prob the closest thing to small rave parties but are usually about drinking and sex. Big raves were usually under prepaired for the event to turn out and everyone was wasted and dancing.
Someone on here brought up a good point. Ravers back in the 90s were the geeks/nerds or just didn't fit in anywhere except parties. We were made fun of by a lot of the mainstream crowd because of the music and how we dressed. We were weird and parties were our escape to be around other "weirdos".
It's crazy how it became such a huge trend.
I am 55 and have been to Beyond Wonderland, Dreamstate, Anjunabeats (festivals) as well as many LA clubs where I have seen Glitch Mob, Deadmau5, Infected Mushroom, Black Gummy to name a few. You are never too old to bliss out and vibe!!
Love it! Infected mushroom with their live band is one of my favorite acts ever!
@@CottonKandi I have not seen anything like them. It was amazing to see them for the first time in a club.
I'm 40 and it never gets old
I’m 20, so I’m just enjoying it now but I’ve been loving this scene/culture since I was at least 10 and I know I’ll be here for my life.
Im almost 17, and here I am..
RAVE stands for Radical Auditory Visual Experience. Period. So it can really be a descriptive term for alot of different types of shows. I mainly classify them as either underground, massive, or a show i.e 1 major headliner.
Rave does not stand for that acronym.
@@DJTide yes it does :)
@@TarmanTheChampion not sure if you're trolling and referring to LSDream, but the word rave was used to describe parties since the 50s, long before lasers or edm existed. I've been in the rave scene for 21 years and I used to hear Ravers always try to say that's what RAVE stood for, it's nothing more than a sort of urban legend.
@@DJTide true. Thank you
I wish there were happy hardcore raves near me!! Ive always wanted to go to one!!
man I didnt really care for that genre back in the early 2000's but know I miss it.
When I raved In the 90s early 200 raves were starting to transition into more festivals edc was just electric daisy carnival and 40 bucks to get in . Now it’s massive . We all predicted In the future all this music would be on clubs and get way bigger and more commercial. Yep they have . The raves I went to also had a few Rooms also sometimes super small
Damn girl your killing it on these vids!
I think "rave" is now more of an umbrella term. Where I live we have alot of underground events held in warehouse. If I were going to one of them I say an underground rave if I am going to a show at a venue I still say rave. That seems to be the norm where I am too. Multiple stage events should be a festival though.
Keep up the great content! Also, wanted to check in on how your ears are doing. Much love!
Big ups to you woman! Very well explained. I Especially love how you informed newcomers how to find underground shows. I went to my first party at 13 as well in 1993. I'm now 44 and have yet to stop. It's truly a foundational part of who I am today.
Thank you for noticing the difference and good luck to your channel!
I’m in my 40s the electronic music never left me. Started my rave in the 90s all throughout the east coast all the way up to Toronto where they had harder happy hardcore scenes back than. DNB is pretty much my love and has been for the past 25 years or so. It’s good to see electronic music has stayed, evolve, got big and see kids enjoying it in a much friendlier and saver environments like festivals and shows. No more handing out flyers and waiting for an exact locations in the sketchiest locations. As I get older I do enjoy the lighter liquid, jazzy then the hard hitting tech step, roller or darker DNB. It’s just easier on the ear these days. Whatever it is, enjoy it, stay save and PLUR
Live to see the love never dies ❤️
25 isn’t old!! You’re young girly
You're too young to know what a rave is. Some of us were there at the birth of the REAL RAVE in the UK in the mid '80s and '90s. If you're not waking up in a wet muddy field somewhere in the middle of Kent, hungover, with split ear-drums and wondering WTF you dropped last night and who you are then you haven't been to a rave sweetie ;-)
Yeah I have more than a few years on ya, but this culture is for all ages 😊
@@TheOneTrueSpLiT ok boomer
@@transwobbly1594 Run along and play elsewhere kiddo, leave this kind of stuff to the adults in the room.
@@TheOneTrueSpLiT boomer's mad
Ravers are family ❤
Part of the excitement of going to raves, at least during the '90s, was the uncertainty of the night. You never knew where the party actually was or if it was going to get shut down. Trying to find the map point and loading up in the back of a U-Haul truck to be taken to the party's secret location was always an adventure.
It was part of the adventure!!!!
I think the term "rave" is used more then festival. people think festivals are rave but its not. thanks for this vid. I was making one myself.
and raves are not as packed as festivals n clubs lol. people r just different then those in festivals.
Mad props to you for not vlogging at underground parties. It definitely kills the vibe and it makes it less special of people have their camera out the whole time
100% agree!!!
Whos going to beyond wonderland
lol u thought 😔
this comment made me so fucking SAAAAAAAAAAD
my fam and i were so ready for Benny Benassi 😭
I'm 39 now and I missed those clubbing days so much... young ones, use your time to create memories, don't waste it...
Another well established and explained video. This is what we EDM content creators do!
Nowadays the two terms can be synonymous. In the 90s, music festivals in America were actually called Rave Massives and only around the blow up on edm in the late 2000s did it start being called music festivals to avoid the stigma of the bad word "rave".
In the 90s and early 2000s, it was common for Ravers to avoid going to rave massives as those were felt to be too mainstream. There was a visual divide between the underground and the rave massives and like I mentioned with the blow up of EDM, the two lines blurred. Biden's rave act that he tried to pass in 2003 didn't help the underground scene either, scaring alot of promoters into going towards a more "legal" direction.
3:47 For one second I thought that was EDC Mexico XD
I have been raving for the past 25 years or so, and you are def. NOT "old", girl! Lol!... Besides, you're as young as you feel, and since I've been going to as many local raves and EDM shows and concerts that I can for that long, (but without getting all f-ed up on drugs or alchohol like so many do), I think that the MUSIC and the DANCING is what helps keep me young, healthy, and full of life!... I'm 47 but I still feel like and have the energy and stamina of most people who are half my age! I contribute that partly to the PLUR lifestyle and just being a Positive Energy, and Loving person, and being a raver for so many years, (decades), has helped me to always remain that way throughout my life so far...
I've never been able to afford to go to any large scale music festivals tho', unfortunately, because they are just way too expensive for my income, but one day hopefully I will be able to somehow get to go to EDC Vegas at the very least! I'm not sure exactly HOW to do that yet, but it's always been on my "bucket list" of festivals to see before I'm "too old" to go and still dance the night(s) away!...
There's no set age where you're really "too old" for doing that though, if you've still got the energy for it, which I luckily do... Plus, I've actually seen a few seniors in their 50's, 60's, and even one guy dancing up a storm one time at an outdoor rave I went to, who turned out to be 75!! I was like; "That's awesome dude!" He was having a grand ol' time! All the girls were dancing with him, Lol! Proof RT that you're NEVER, REALLY "too old" to dance and have FUN!... So YOU still have MANY more years to go if you stay healthy and fit, and you so choose to still go to them and enjoy the music and dancing, as I still do! :)
CAN SOMEONE ID 2:21 😍😍 I’m assuming BTSM from the visuals cos it had their lil mascot head hahahaha
It is BTSM! But not sure what song it’s such a short clip 😩
Korsakov is held in the Maassilo, an abandoned wheat silo & factory, repurposed as rave location.
It's not really underground, as it's usually high quality (& cost) events being held, but it does have that gritty, abandoned factory, underground feel, but does depend on the amount lighting.
I've had both DnB, Crossbreed and Psy raves there, atmosphere was totally different, each time, although they never manage to fully shed the underground vibe, thankfully.
Who prefers the old school warehouse raves though?
I do, festivals and raves while they seem the same, are worlds apart. Rest while are so mainstream raves aren't, it was about the music, people, and culture, it was anarchy and poetic chaos with such good vibes. Plus raves burn till the sun rises, but we have a 25 yr old acting like a vet lol.Festivals are very mainstream, the people are not very "PLUR" act very douche like and are getting g drunk and lit causing the douche factor. The music are so so different in their music, I remember in 2013 went to a wannabe rave it was sanctioned and there were older people their that booed just about every DJ because they were playing EDM. Sigh if these kids younger than 30 would have got the chance they would see the difference. And flyers were a part of raves, that was your badge, your proof lol.
Yea I went to go see Deorro in SD @ OMNIA and people thought me and my friend were rolling because we were jumping and having a good time while many were just watching and standing around. definitely a different vibe at a club.
Dang I’m going to Nocturnal this weekend but the rave scene seems much more interesting, authentic, and fun to me.
I know I'm grasping at straws here, but if anyone has any info. on any HDM events happening in the northeast (near NYC) I would greatly appreciate it. I follow a lot of local (and non-local) DJs on FB and it seems to be a total dead-zone here for hard dance. Its very upsetting. Great vid. Kandi. Started raving back in the early 90s and through the early 2000s. Just recently got back into the scene. I think the term rave was something we used for all EDM/HDM events because theyre really werent any festivals back then. Everything was in illegal warehouses with nothing but a couple strobe lights and a smoke machine. It was all pretty much underground back then. I think its just a generic term that we use today. Probably more about the act of "raving" than the actual venue.Just my take.
Raves were best in my time back in 98, 99. EDM I think has evolved from the rave culture into all these music festivals your talking about. Clubs, didn’t really like them everyone seemed so about themselves and too many fights over stupid things. Thanks for the vid, great info, especially for all the newbies party animals.
If you want an idea of what outdoor raves used to be like back in the late 90's/early 2000's, look up "Even Further," which, up until all this corona crap happened, is an annual event in rural northern Wisconsin. No flashy stuff, no pyrotechnics, no DJ booths 100 feet above the dancefloors, no jumbotrons, or fireworks. Just good music, good vibes, and good people.
Not saying anything bad about what goes on today, don't misunderstand me. I am only saying it was different back then, not necessarily better or worse. I have to at least say that in all fairness and so I don't just sound like some old school, jaded ass, gen X retired raver. After all, the last party I went to was "Frequency Clear" just south of H-town back in April 17, 2001. Never have been to events like EDC or Ultra or anything like that, so I really don't have an opinion on it.
But, yeah, check out "Even Further" if you get a chance.
i just realized that 80s and 90s raves were about dancing. today's festivals are so crowded all the people do is jump up and down and wave their arms. there's no room to actually dance.
Here in Brazil it's different, rave is always open air and only plays trance. when it's indoors and house is played we call it a ballad like the ones you put at the end of the video. and festival here is also the same, ultra, Tomorrowland, edc.
here in the netherlands (and i gues in the whole of europe) the phrase "rave" is not used very commenly
i think that this has a lot to do with the history of dance over here
back in the days when acid evolved in to mellow, hardcore, trance etc etc the phrase "rave" was linked to "harder" events
but today you could say we would call any 1 stage indoor (edm) event a rave
and any multi stage be it indoor or outdoor a festival
anyway
enjoy the vibe and the music !!!
was this at the complex, when you saw kayzo and 7 lions? the saltair?
My first rave was San Francisco in 1996 that was at a abandoned dance studio in the mission district. Great memories
That’s so awesome!!! A real og raver!
How long have you been in the scene?
Have you ever heard of I Want Candie? and it started thru word of mouth. From Sothern California. Now in the midwest I will be doing I Want Candie Corn next year.
Raves were actually focused on individuals who came from broken homes, abusive parents, alcoholic parents, outcasts who tend to be different from the norm society. People you'd never expect to see at these parties, you would see. Nowadays, it's a mixture. Which, lead in more toxic people, to be quite honest. People go to raves now, just to be someone they are not. Who in fact isn't there for the music, they're there to fit in. Back in the day people went to express their true identity and their authentic self. By all means, I'm in no way in bashing the modernized rave scene, at all. I'm just speaking out true facts on what has been very vivid in my own rave scene experience. With that said and done... I'd like to add for the new generation out there, just be aware at all times. Don't let the X trick your mind into thinking everyone's loving, caring and real or in other words on your side. Find that one true friend and party like a MFing rave star bc even though it's a mixture of people, you can still have a great fcking time.
What classifies a rave as a rave? Is it somewhat subjective or does the term only apply to underground, smaller, independent events? Sometimes other than the size and budget or legal status of these events, there are virtually no differences. I say this with the caveat that I have never been to an EDC or Tomorrowland. I live in SLC UT also and have been going to raves since 2008. I have only raved locally and have only been to a handful of underground raves. (And loved them) The largest show I've been to would be a Das Energi. I consider any EDM event that has grown out of rave culture and stays true to it to be a rave. I personally differentiate them by mainstream raves and underground raves. I call heavily advertised festivals mainstream raves, we use to call these huge events massives because although raves use to be smaller and underground, they still have that culture and style and crowd that is unique to raves. (EDM, Plur, Kandi, unique visuals and weather we want to talk about it or not, the drug culture) I know that in the commercialization of EDM shows some things have changed for these bigger events in order for them to be legal and sanctioned, but essentially they are giant raves. I still love the underground scene and never want to see it disappear! I can understand why you make the distinctions you do, as these different events are in certain ways, well... different. The club scene is especially different from other EDM events and not for the better in my opinion. Perhaps If I am lucky enough to go to the amazing festivals you have experienced (EDC, Tomorrowland etc.) I would change my mind, but I expect not, as they seem as plur and "raveish" as any rave I've been to if not more so. Sorry for all my commas and probably bad grammar.
I started raving in Utah in 97. Everything was a rave at that point...or a house party, oh how I miss a good house party. I remember when the term "massives" first started, probably around luv2k (no idea how I still remember that) as far as I know we started calling them massives because capacity was 5,000+. Over the years my terminology has changed. To me if its in a club, it's a show. If its in a warehouse or a small desert party or like parties we used to have at Utah Lake, I would consider those raves. If its at an arena or large venue with one stage, I would call it a concert. Not until it's a multi-day event held at some kind of fairgrounds or huge outside area should it be identified as a festival. I think the term "rave" has it's place but it is not as broad as it once was and I think it carries a negative stereotype to an unknowing audience, which is another reason why I try and limit my usage of the term "rave".
Obviously this is my own, old-ass opinion. How's the rave scene in Utah these days? Have you ever heard of the "no dance law after 2 a.m." in SLC county? I don't know if that is still a thing, but it was when I used to party there! lol, it was ridiculous. In I think 04 I remember one rave that was in the Wells Fargo building on like the 13th floor, the producers invited the mayor of SLC at the time to prove that it was a friendly atmosphere, I don't know if he actually showed up or not. It was wild though, when you were down on street level you could see lights and lasers shooting out of the windows up on whatever floor we were on. I would have never thought that there would have been a rave at that location. That was the last rave I attended in Utah.
@@fishinlouie I agree that around luv2k is when "Massives" started, I miss the shows from around this time. I also miss the underground desert and warehouse raves, I haven't heard of an underground party in a few years. If there are still underground raves happening around here I need to figure out who to ask about them. I know the term rave has a negative connotation with folks and that's actually one reason why I'm even more stubborn about not using other terms. I feel like if we call these things raves and can show that they aren't some dark evil thing, it will be better than avoiding the term. The 2 a.m. law is still a thing, another reason the underground is the shit! Iv'e heard stories about that party at the Wells Fargo building, that is wild!
@@tylergrasshopper good times, had to call the hotline to get map to get in. The ol Paintball Planet in like Sandy i think, DDO buildings in Ogden, "the cliffs", Knolls. Used to be a crazy scene in Utah back in the day. I went to the millennium rave at Utah State Fairgrounds for NYE 1999. Anyway, I'm excited to finally check EDC off the list.
@@fishinlouie Ever see the movie "Groove"? it's a good movie about raves in the 90's and will surly take you back and provide some nice nostalgia.
@@tylergrasshopper yeah, not since it came out though.
I tried getting into this type of music... I couldn't wrap my mind around the fact that people were hype over someone pressing buttons for sounds..
So for the longest time I ddnt understand why my friends started going bc I was a hater.. I asked the same shit why do y’all care? .. then one night I said fuck it I’m gonna go.. and it was the best experience of my life and I go to shows & fests ever since.. it’s not only about the music it’s the vibes of being with friends, camping , exploring .. drugs, if your into that. It’s so much more
If you understood the technicalities of a real DJ you’d understand. Don’t mistake TikTok control board DJ’s with real DJ’s
It’s not that easy like you assume and it’s easy to judge until you actually attempt doing this. Being a good DJ requires being a good producer. Real DJs produce their own music and remixes, not just playing music.
Thank you for this video!! It’s like you read my mind I was wondering what the difference was 😭😭
Very well explained! Thanks :)
Thank you for rave knowledge and what’s up. I went to real rave’s in the 90’s when it was the real shit. Good to know that real raves still exist.
Isnt it easyer to say shows/events are a one day/evening thing and music festivals are a 2-3 days+ thing...?
These kids today don't know how to party like we did back in the day
have you been to an Australian bush Doof?
I wish
No I’ve never been to Australia
I agree. A lot of people who go to events and festivals have never been to an actual rave, an underground one.
Excuse me, I had a motorcycle accident 13 days after I turned 21, I’ve been away from the world for 6+ years, so I don’t understand there is a difference? Oh …what she’s saying makes sense ❤️🩹 #MusicLoverrForever! &#Subscribed ILY 🤟🏼
I remember going to the first e.d.c. and the last e.d.c. held in los angeles
Rave= radical audio visual event. Honestly the word has lost it's meaning. Raves are super rare. Venues are almost impossible to obtain in California unless your a large scale crew. I've probably only gone to one legit rave in the last year. I think raving is more a state of mind now. I personally think the whole categories to events is elitism and exclusionary.
Haha i said almost exactly the same.. then scrolled to see if maybe someone else said or knew the same thing
Literally and the word rave / raving actually comes from the meaning of “partying hard” apparently. Those claiming raves are only the illegal events now are elitist to the extreme because all of it literally looks the same to me. Both club events, massive convention events and outdoors. Outdoors just have a different vibe because it’s exposed on a massive scale with multiple stages and it’s legal. Same with club/convention centre events. Just because it is not exactly like the original doesn’t lessen its value. Original scene had eurodance and purely non-vocal techno, yet we clearly evolve don’t we? Now we have vocal trance…
The title captivated my interest. I had been in music festival, but a RAVE, I don’t think I ever did. I don’t even know what a RAVE is if I stepped into one. My fills with anticipation when I came across this title and of course I had to check it out. You started out great! Giving visual examples of the types of music events that are not RAVE. However, when it’s time to show visual examples of a true RAVE, you revert to being respect and did not have any visual representation of RAVE. It was truly a let down! Yes I am all for respect but you could vlog with a respectful manner. You could have asked the RAVE Organizer for permission to video and tell them the reason why you are video taping. You asked permission, if granted , you vlog respectful, not showing faces of the attendants. You needed to video the atmosphere, the silhouettes of a good time that built on respect, love, tolerates… etc.. After watching your video, instead of having a knowledge of what a RAVE is, I walk away with the same question and a bunch of images of what not a rave but kinda similar… Hopefully you have changed your views and show respect to your viewers that you deliver what you intended and stated in the title of the video.
Been raving since 13 what was the trick?
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There is no way logically speaking that music festivals originated from raves. Music festivals came before raves.
Is the rave scene still happening in Seattle?
What about pool parties? Encore beach club
Great vid, are you still going to EDC MX? I would be looking foward to that video if you do end up going.
Please come to INDIA for sunburn music festival
I became a huge rave or adrenalin junkie at 12 I'm a young fan I'm only 16 know.
ID at 11:41??
What’s the song in your intro
Bossfight Charge for the intro and outro! 😃
@@CottonKandi thx:D
Any true NE American raver in the late 90’s know the grimey line we stood in while hearing the muffled bass that always sounded like techno, but it wasn’t always. You could follow the smell to the dust dealer, there was always house dealers at clubs, and you weren’t fighting bf/gf you were blowing Vics vapor rub in a fallen soldier on the ground to be sure they were OK. Also, you had a guest list or handed out flyers at one point.
Detroit is the exception. Always. I even started to defend myself on the club part but then I remembered how spoiled I am. The club scene outside my city is probably pretty shitty, whereas Detroit clubs basically is the rave scene
Haha I was thinking the same for my city, Berlin. Regarding techno we are definitely super spoiled!
how do you define Burning Man them?
Rave is all about the vibe. That's what matters practically. If its a bunch of people who have just come there to get absorbed into the music - not a care in the world about hype, how they look, anything else really - then that's what matters. Of course, you are more likely to see this at the smaller events.
I've never really been to a derelict warehouse, falling over riot police and people trippin balls, clad in glow sticks. I think these instances of 'real rave' underground counter-culture (usually straight up illegal) are few and far between these days. Even bush doofs are branding themselves as festivals, Big mainstream DJs trying to look cool by having 'warehouse' concerts.
Underground club culture is where its at, and you're right, the smaller the event, the more likely you are to find that vibe. Not to say bigger events, with bigger DJs can't have that vibe too. You get to know the DJs, and the promoters that are good for it. Went to loads of D&B events in London and there was a HUGE difference in vibe between them. even at the same venue.
Not to act all elitist about it though. Love a huge festival, ticking off big artists, love lining up Jager bombs in the club. But as you say, that stuff is easier to find.
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song at 11:31???
Break down in simple terms
Festival- is multiple stages with different genres on a large scale
Concert- one artist on a semi big or big stage in legal venue
Rave- usually in a run down warehouse, desert or forest and you need map point or invite to get directions
Majority of festival goers are not ravers plan n simple. 14yr raver here Peace out
Want to know the biggest difference? Watch No4mat-1991 video vs any EDM festival video
Rave is underground! Festivals is MainStage music!
Can you share the background music at 13 mins?
I can’t remember what it was 😩
My first event was monster massive!!!!
Mine to and it was only 15 dollars at the door
Seven lions is ❤️ btw what are those underground rave which happen secretly not open to public & they pass drugs like mdma on plates & all?
That San Francisco HTID Pre-party! Okay totally banking that was a "No Left Turn" run rave. Mitomoro on stage in the second clip, and I'm about 99% certain I saw Cheesy P at the front of the crowd at one point.
Also Love how it wasn't explicitly said but like you showed the rave clips and it was exactly the typical underground styles of edm: hardcore, DnB and techno.(Obviously not a hard steadfast rule on music sub-genres but totally captured the energy of underground vs festival)
That was definitely cheesy p upfront (:
@@CottonKandi ahhh! So you know him! He lived here in Columbus years ago and I was hanging out with him at an anime con back at his first time DJing.
Funny enough that exact anime con ended up also bring my first DJing gig just one year later.
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I'm 16 and I wanna go to an edm music festival..
IVE BEEN WANTING TO MAKE THIS EXACT VIDEO! and I agree 1000%
I was worried I would get backlash from saying this but like, I just recommend people should hit up actual raves if they haven't yet. They're a completely different experience. Ya know?
@@CottonKandi yes agreed agreed!
Couldn’t think of anything worse. Rock & metal all the way.
10:38 - 10:44ish. Hehe. That's the room.
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EDC and ultra have been around forever and def. Were not called music festivals in 2001. Amd much much cheaper. Ugh.
Yes much cheaper!!!
What is the draw ? Is it drug related
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Anybody is going to talk about the amount of dru&s going on in these places or are we just going to ignore it? 🤔
#PLUR(Peace Love Unity Respect)
You gonna get thrown out if you heee ohhh at a german rave haha
On the money about categorizing of event though 👍 even though your still a baby 😊
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(my opinion)
Europe have the best music festivals
True, especially Netherlands best festivals and raves and Germany (Berlin mostly) has the best raves.
Ok if they serve alcohol... it's not a rave. Lol.
Hahah if they serve water its a rave
There were plenty of legit raves outside in fields. Smh. You are too young to know the diff. Enough to make this video child
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Experimental bass/ dub is the best .. ya know like Bassnectar.. BEFORE we found out he was a groomer
These new festivals are wack I remember back in the 90s in downtown LA when they had blast, and secret squirrel now those were real raves, now people can't even distinguish any genres in electronic music, I don't see anymore junglists, or hardcore kids anymore, even in Romania the gabber,hardcore party's aren't even raves their massives raves are a rare thing now, everything is a massive music festival that's why I stopped raving, shout outs to sid z and the old skool PWLY crew, and the moon tribe.
Raves are with drugs included, and festivals are like raves but without drugs XDDD
Kinda true but in festivals people are on drugs as well
Eh no. They’re on drugs at the festivals too…
I hate being an ass about this but. Your way too young to have gone to a real rave , from the 2010 and up are just fumes. Just saying it was a early 90's thing and the main difference in a rave was they were over packed and full of drugs for sale and the music was a raw tone different then club seen or house music. Festivals are big safe parties. Desert events are prob the closest thing to small rave parties but are usually about drinking and sex. Big raves were usually under prepaired for the event to turn out and everyone was wasted and dancing.
So you've never been to a real rave. Bc they stopped existing after early 2000s.
If I am a promoter for raves....I'd be pissed if you Vlogged because raves are illegal now.
you should come to eu so you can see what a rave is :D you know nothing xD
I go to Europe and the UK for events all the time. Or I use to before covid 🥺😭
You arent older . You started when raves came back as EDM. You have literally no idea what you're talking about and never will
Rave is dead, everything is festival these days.
rave > EU
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