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The Dream Melbourne Train System!
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2020
- Have You Ever Dreamt Of Seeing A Melbourne Train System With Over 30 Different Lines? Well This Video Makes These Dreams Come True (Sort Of).
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How's this for a dream - an underground train line connecting Sorrento to Queenscliff - creating the ultimate loop line around Melbourne!!
Seb Ian Yesssssssssssssss that would help Metro earn some of its reputation back
Yep, that would good
Now that is a cool dream Seb, how good would that be!
The Train Man 😎
Love it.
As a retired Driver, I like your dream map thinking. You have a bright future, and I hope you get in a position one day to carry out your dream. The things that are being done now should have been done 40 years ago, particularly re-opening Whittlesea & the Geelong electrification. I will not live to see your dreams come to fruition, but you might. I live in a country town, now deprived of a railway.. This town has certainly gone backwards since the line closure in 1978. Keep up the passion.
Thanks again Lance, what a dream that would be for me to work in rail one day. A shame to hear your residence has no rail, although I am sure that it would be peaceful. I am sure you will see at least one of these projects in action, thank you for sharing you thoughts and stories with me :)
Absolutely agree with the Geelong electrification and while this is being done, how about a line to Avalon airport?
Love how you gave the ruler the arse after about 5 seconds 😂
Pretty much haha, it was way too long
Keep dreaming young man, at least you're young enough to see a lot of that come to reality over the next 50 years, I'll be dead and buried before most of that sees any construction lol
Haha, thanks Stephen, I am sure you will see a few of these lines become a reality, you never know!
Melton will be next for sure.
Anglos can’t govern maybe a Chinese or Indian city or African city can do it
@@thetrainman548 the future is asia and Africa Australia and Europe is doomed
@@qjtvaddict Take your nonsense away from here, we don't need it on this site.
I'd love to see you talk through a high speed rail connection between Melbourne and Sydney. Keep up the good work.
I can't speak for The Train Man but I reckon that there should be Victorian stations at Seymour, Shepparton, Wangaratta, and Wodonga. As for NSW, I would definitely include Albury and Wagga Wagga, and possibly include a detour in Canberra.
After that, I am undecided about going through Bowral or Wollongong. The latter would be better because it is more populated but going through Bowral might require less land acquisition IMO.
I bet Metro sent you a sticker and said "when you grow up and finished university, give us a call."
Nah they said join the queue
I love it, a little city centric though. Major investment and upgrades need to be made in country lines, these lines have been neglected for decades. Bulk goods to port, Melbourne or upgrade of Hastings to reduce truck movements. And the upgrade to satellite cities Ballarat, Bendigo, Geelong etc, TGV style so people can commute to Melbourne of employment , education or other needs.
Would also be great to see rail network employ people directly rather that PPP, private, public partnerships.
What a great video. Some very interesting thoughts. Good to see someone young with great ideas. I can see that after you finish your studies, you will be the next head of Victorian Railways. As things go in a circle all trains will be back under the one control. Take care and stay safe.
Thanks very much Kenneth! Glad you enjoyed the video, and suggested me to be the head of Vic Rails, that would be a huge job, you never know!
@@thetrainman548 A very interesting concept you are proposing. Well done. It is clear to see you have put much time and planning into your ideas to improve Melbourne's metropolitan train network.
Next task to consider with your train network proposal is the re-scheduling of train timetables........ With these additional lines, and new routes linking existing lines, effective and efficient timetable scheduling will be paramount.
Still waiting for the promised 1968 proposed extension of the Glen Waverley Line to Mulgrave, Rowville and Knox.
It will be more efficient to have the Knox Line run along the spine of both Stud Road and then along Ferntree Gully Road and possibly linking up with the Belgrade Line at Ferntree Gully Station. Knox City Shopping Centre already has a tram link along Burwood Highway, so no requirement for a train station at Knox City Shopping Centre.
Here's another few dream rail projects First off the Werribee Line extended to Waurn Ponds via Geelong, next up suburban trains returning to Warragul or in other words extending the Pakenham line back out to Warragul since the late 90s, then a new line to Wollert with new stations at Epping Plaza, Epping North, Aurora and finally Wollert, this will be apart of Metro Tunnel 2 starting from Lalor connecting with the Mernda line, up next the Suburban Rail Loop being expanded with new connections at Coolaroo, Roxburgh Park, Craigieburn, Laverton, Newport, Southern Cross, Flinders Street, Port Melbourne, St Kilda and Brighton, Hampton and Sandringham with new stations at Highland (which is near Craigieburn), Mickleham, Yuroke, Greenvale, Atwood, Westmeadows, Gladstone Park, Oaklands Junction (near Melbourne Airport), Taylors Lake, Kealba, Keilor, Airport West, Essendon Fields, Nidree, Avondale Heights, Maribyrnong, Maidstone, Braybrook, Brooklyn, South Kingsville, Black Rock and Beaumaris so that way it's like it does a whole loop around Melbournes train network in both directions, next the Frankston which will soon become the Baxter line to connect with the Craigieburn and Upfield lines to merge as Metro Tunnel 3 using Flagstaff, Melbourne Central and Parliament Stations platforms 2&3 along with a line to Rosebud which would also be extended to Sorrento then to Portsea along with the Craigieburn line extending out to Wallan with new stations at Craigieburn East, Kalkalo and Beveridge and last but not least Ballarat, Bendigo and Geelong get their own metro rail network. All those dream rail projects will even feature 100 more new HCMT trains for Metro Tunnels 2&3 and the Waurn Ponds electricfication will also be apart of Metro Tunnel 2, more trains on the Suburban Rail Loop as apart of the expansion and new trains for the Ballarat, Bendigo and Geelong metro rail network while the Warragul extension will use the Metro Tunnel 1. What do you think of that? Pretty cool huh?😁
A Geelong metro rail network would actually be a lot easier than most people think. There is already a freight train to Ballarat & Ararat from Geelong via Gheringhap, so reinstating part of those lines as passenger lines & adding a few extra stations shouldn't be too hard, especially since the Ararat line is already used by the Adelaide train. Then there was the former Queensclif line which is actually still operational between Drysdale & Queensclif for a tourist steam train and most of the land is still vacant, so reopening that line should be easy enough too. Lastly there is already land zoned for a Torquay line, so building that can be done too.
Doing all of these would give Geelong a substantial rail network and would require very minimal tunneling and/or land acquisition (with a duplication from South Geelong to Geelong being the only one required to accommodate the extra train services). Three of them could also have good connections with Melbourne by sending 1/3rd of trains from Melbourne to Warrn Ponds, 1/3rd to Torquay and 1/3rd to Queenscliff.
Oh and by the way the wallan/merrifield area is the fastest growing in Melbourne so I think that it will be electrified
Maybe! Certainly a good possibility an electrification up north occurs, we will have to wait and see!
The world needs dreamers for anything worthwhile to actually happen, so all power to you!!!
Legend mate, thanks heaps Klaus!
At 4:09,
‘Overall there is too much planning and not enough action’.
Well Train man that’s Australia for you. And plus, people say easier to say than done.........
For sure haha, the work that goes into planning a project like some of these mentioned in this video is ridiculous and underated, I don't envy the people in charge!
1) Having trains to Chadstone would totally free up the busses. I remember whenever I've caught a bus to Holmesglen early in the morning and it would be half empty once you drop people off at Chadstone.
2) MORNINGTON PENINSULA! YES! I don't live there anymore, but I hated, absoloutly HATED the bus system. Especially in Rosebud, it'd be every 50 minutes during the week and every 50mins - 1 1/2 hr for a bus. Bloody hell it was frustrating. Even if they just do what the backbeach/Stony Point has, where it has a train system that doesn't come so often, but the a bus that does. Also during the tourism months, catching the bus was bloody hell, because so many tourists would jump on and it's just like, I have to deal with a 1hr 5min bus trip, I just wanna go home! Also I feel like /at least/ an electrification to Hastings would be better than just to Baxter. But I've never really gone past Hastings whenever I'd visit a friend, so...
3) Having a train line that "replaces" the 901 would be fantastic. I mean I have a major hatred for the 901, but it would help free up a lot of the dodgy people, I mean they can either choose a bus or a train. But at least if they try and fight with you, you can move train carriages instead of just moving from one section of the bus to another.
Thanks again Missy :). I would definitely love Chadstone connection, such a big hub for so many people and it needs a bigger, more reliable transportation at it.
The Mornington Penisula, despite it being a fairly close to Melbourne and decently populated, feels so isolated, in terms of transport! I hope that transport is improved down there, whether it be trains, or creation of a bus transport hub. Thanks again
The one to the Airport im pretty sure has been confirmed to be built, can't wait cause i live in Bendigo, Reginal Victoria so i just need to get a V/line then a Metro train so can't wait to hear more about that!!!!
I totally agree a Peninsula line is much needed. It should go all the way to Portsea since the bus goes that far too
I’m really loving the effort your putting into this video.
Thank you very much, glad you noticed😂😊
Great to see you back Train Man.....looking forward to this one!
Happy to be back too :) Hope you enjoy again!
I loved the video! All the plans look amazing and I hope to see at least 4 new lines within 20 years!
There’s also plan for a branch line to ‘North Epping’! I believe it’s to branch off near Child’s Rd between Lalor & Epping Stations, I’ve been doing some work in the area, you can see the reserve where the new line is to go through the new estates.
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Hi mate, I live in the UK but I have an interest in the Met system in Melbourne and have followed it's expansions and new ideas since I visited way back in the 80's and 90's. I find your posts very informative please keep posting them as it gives me a link and keeps me up to date. Thanks again
Let me know which project you would like to see!
The Train Man Marrybourgh station
The Cranbourne line should go further and stop at Tooradin. Not the old station but close to the town.
All of them, Can you talk about the History of the Maldon - Castlemaine line in Reginal Victoria coming off the Bendigo line
You'll be a great contributor in our train system, you'll grow within the system of specifications, you'll be at a point of authority... Just stay on your path and strong within your passion. Time will promote your growth, passion, and dedication on this journey. Thank you for your dedication.
I really want to see General Motors reopen, then I could catch the train to woolies!
Besides that I've thought about quite a few of the lines etc. that you mentioned in the vid. Hoping to see the network expand like you.
Keep up the good work mate!
You champ, great channel, keeping me and the Mrs entertained and educating us on our city. Keep doing what you do bro
Good one !
You have a good grasp of Melbourne's train network, and what should happen in the future.
I hope you are thinking about studying something suitable at uni, to enable you to be able to work in an industry that you love.
Your ideas are great 😃
Thanks very much Heather, I am glad you think that😊
Working in rail would be a dream for me, hopefully I can find a place.
@@thetrainman548 I am sure when "normality" returns to Melbourne, in what ever form that is after covid-19, you will find a way to fulfil your dreams.
Oh yeah, I 100% agree with you on the extension to Knox. Great video!
Loved this. Look forward to your ascension to Minister for PT - don't be so quick to suggest / concede that projects are unrealistic - hold the gaze, lift expectations!
Im a few years late but i love your passion for this. One thing I would say, cease service on the Altona loop but keep the loop intact.
In Brisbane we have the seldom-used Tennyson loop, which is a great help when we have inner city closures for the Cross River Rail, as Beenleigh and Gold Coast lines can redirect to the city via the Ipswich/Springfield lines. The same could be used in a pinch if theres ever any issues on V-Line, and they need to redirect via Werribee/Altona.
I'm in my mid 50's now and I can remember my grandfather who lived at deer Park saying there's talk of electrifying the Melton line, that was 50 years ago and it still hasn't happened. Love your map and you should look at getting into the planning side of government, that way it may actually happen.
Thank you very much Steve. This is the stuff that I am the most interested, planning for the future, and hopefully I can seek a job in that area. The Melton Electrification talks must have frustrated you and your family, how incredible that it has been talked about for 50 years! Thanks again :)
Interesting mix of known future and aspirational projects here. One issue with a lot of these options is the creation of additional spur lines in already busy corridors, which becomes very complex operationally. Fragmentation of a trunk with several spurs can become a nightmare, especially when there are delays.
I’d personally like to see a reinstatement of the outer circle line, basically extending the existing Alamein line alignment. It’s not unrealistic to think it could be extended to the south to go past Chadstone and join in at Clayton, then extend north through Kew and change direction out to Doncaster. Operating as a shuttle like that would provide so many options for moving around the eastern suburbs, but as you say, they’ve already go enough infrastructure.
Ultimately the government sees the rail network as being for commuters, so until business becomes more decentralised in Melbourne there won’t be much in the way of major changes to how the network is planned.
The editing in this video was outstanding man! *chef kiss*
Amazing map. Crushing it as always mate!
Thank you again! I am happy to see you liked the editing :) and the map, I appreciate it😊
Gets better and better! What a great video! Absolutely loved seeing some of the lines there! Some amazing ideas just flowing out onto the map. Awesome stuff!
Thank you Ben, very happy to hear of your enjoyment 😊. I am very happy to see how this turned out!
The point cook line could also be extended to Werribee South, and Avalon. The loop could also be extended to Werribee South station.
Not only would it help the airport and zoo, but also the future development of these areas
A mention to this is that the Point Cook line's existance would turn Newport into a three way interchange, but it would get a benifit from not having to serve Altona North if Paisley reopens. Also I think that Seabrook deserves a station, it's also served by Williams Landing and the Werribee line needs the pressure off it at this point
I love these ideas! I just want to see the V-Line to Mildura open up!
Fingers firmly crossed :)
What do you want to be when you’re older / what are you studying? It’d be a shame if you didn’t do something train related!
General Motors line wheeeeyyy!! The deff need to reopen the old Cranbourne line but this whole new map is beautiful
Agree with you on the doncaster line 100%. My old Melways from the early 1970s actuality shows it, as do the old Hitachi trains' destination rolls. If you watched them scroll through destinations at Flinders St you could see "Doncaster East".
I am so glad you added Sandringham to SRL - this is a logical stop.
I like you map, can’t wait to do one of my dream Melbourne train map one day. All to say well done mate! :)
Can't wait to see your version! Happy to hear you like the map :)
Thanks mate! :) But my one is not going to be on UA-cam until next 1 or 2 months I will say I will do a dream map when I reached 30 subscribers on my UA-cam channel! :)
Subbed :)
Thank you very much for subscribing! :)
Good shit mate. Let’s hope they continue to invest in public transport to ease the traffic congestion and make Melbourne have a more world class train system like those we see in Asian cities (Tokyo, Hong Kong etc)
Interesting stuff - food for thought. Another great and very future-oriented video, Max!
Thank you Ian, I am happy to hear of your enjoyment :)
Nooo i missed the premiere! Anyway absolutely great video I would expect you to have much more subscribers! The editing is great, the camera angles are great! The Research is great and the map/ideas in the video are great!!! This is basically a much better revamp of “the future of Melbourne trains”. So yeah amazing video Max! You deserve 100K subscribers for your effort!!
Thank you very much Harry, still great to see you here now, don't stress about missing the premiere haha. Hopefully one day we can get to 100k, might be a few years from that though! Thanks again mate!
The Train Man No Problem!
I had an idea for another branch from Cranbourne, a connecting line to Frankston, potentially the rail corridor would go through Cranbourne west, to Langwarrin, serve Karingal Hub shopping centre with a stop nearby, connect at Baxter, and run through to Frankston. The proposed loop could allow HCMT trains to be seen at Frankston, and serve some suburbs that currently have no suburban rail representation.
This video is really cool i like your train map you've coloured in
Thanks Nicholas, glad you enjoyed, the map turned out to be really good!
While the line along Eastlink would be good, the suburban rail loop already covers it. I would redo St Kilda Line to pick-up MSAC, South Melbourne Market and Albert Park. Then have it connect to Brighton Beach, through to Moorabin Airport and Dingley, before going through Dandenong, then Karingal, Baxter and onto the Mornington Peninsula.
Good video, thanks for your work
I wish I had been this interested in transport and planning when I was in high school. Fascinating watch, I'd love to see these realised.
Melbourne is really slowly becoming a transit mecca here, watch out, Singapore and Hong Kong with your standard gauge metros.. You know, my city once stood as the biggest tram system in the world but then Melbourne overtook it in the 90s and that was a sign that while St Petersburg stagnated and fell into disrepair, Melbourne sprung up, grew and developed!
This is what Melbourne needs, free thinkers. Using rational thought but not constrained by other factors.
Yes the free thoughts need to be reigned in by budgetary constraints but we all need to think outside the square which he is and good on him for doing so.
I hope he gets a job in town planning for we need free thinkers like him!
Haha, thanks Neil. This is overly ambitious, but there's no harm in that!
I drove to Monash uni in Caulfield for the past 5 years and didn’t realise how close Alamein is to holmesglen and chadstone. Would literally need 2 extra stations to extend that. The train line to Rowville could also make sense to go from Glen Waverley. This with A Knox city line running through wantirna, and Vermont would free up the Belgrave line a lot too, as a lot of people would commute to those stations
Good fun and very thoughtful. Well done.
Finally getting a train station in Bundoora, now I won’t have to go to Watsonia St
Must be a pain!
For the St Kilda loop, it should use Platform 1 at Brighton Beach!
Ooooo
I like the plan mate. As a person in the east I particularly like the Rowville, Doncaster, and Knox City lines. Perhaps even extending the 75 Tram line from Vermont Sth to Knox as well to have improved connectivity. But I don’t think the connection of the sky rail to the Rowville line would really work. I also like the Alamein line going to Chadstone as I think it would improve business there, free up the busses and car parking in the area whilst rejuvenating an almost forgotten and rather underused line.
The other pt I’d like to see improved isn’t train related but separating the tram lines and roads where possible. (Like what they did on Burwood Hwy past Deakin uni ) I believe this would help massively with traffic congestion as cars wouldn’t be held up by trams stopping and starting.
Then finally some road upgrades such as completing North East Link, West Gate Tunnel, East West Link, extra lanes on Monash Fwy, and Tullamarine Fwy in conjunction with the pt would finally bring us back up to speed with the growing Melbourne.
In regards to the tourist railway at Healesville they could use the soon to be old (the present day) Lilydale station as I think it will be retained post grade separation
Exactly what I was thinking, great idea!
You're Wild!! Love it
6:50 I reckon Oakleigh will be the best place for an interchange
Hi Max, great presentation and good imagination. As you say some of these lines have been talked about for over 60 years. The Geelong line should have been electrified years ago. It took ages to even duplicate. The Upfield line another one. The Leogatha line , another huge mistake closing it, and the Airport line, the list is endless. But your plan is good as long as Governments finance public transport.Cheers.
Thanks again Graeme, I am glad you enjoyed again.
All the points you bring up, I agree with, even if it is kept seperate from the Melbourne network, the Geelong line is busy enough to be electrified.
I wish the Leongatha Line was still open, it would of created some greater easter suburban growth!
Thanks again Graeme!
Another great video max! I remember doing a similar thing on google my maps in near where i live in ballarat for a rail connection in the southern suburbs. The line started off the ballarat line and ended on the geelong to ballarat line. Good stuff
I personally think cities like Melbourne and Hobart are lucky because of all the old rail lines.
Agreed, existing infrastructure definitely assists with lowering costs and building upon in the future :)
Trains going to Chadstone has been talked about for over 20 years. I read not long ago that there were talks about having a tram for from Caulfield to Chadstone and then continuing to Rowville on that same path you mentioned.
Thanks Nathan, I have heard about a tram from Caulfield to Chadstone, not too sure how well that would work, but it would definitely be cheaper than a train tunnel, if money is stopping the Government from building the train, then why not build the tram. Thanks!
Nice video mate, we all like to dream at some point, no matter how unrealistic it might be.
Cheers Floyd, many, or most of these lines will never become anything, but I hope we see some of them considered by the Government.
The Train Man ill be most curious to see how far the suburban rail loop gets.
@@FloydBromley Agreed, I expect it/ hope to at least get to Box Hill, I have seen many digging sites around my area. Fingers crossed
The Train Man yes well given its expected to take 30 years to fully complete, that’s a lot of successive governments from both sides of politics that need to continue it. I’d say labour needs to be voted in again next election for it to get far at all.
Good to see you back Max, i've been wondering when you were coming out with a new video.
But then i thought your locked down we will see you soonish.
Great info as usual max, maybe some of these lines will be in before 30 years at least your young enough to see them happen.. 👍🏻
Thanks again John, happy to hear from you again! I hope at least some of these lines are built, you never know, Thanks again!
About Doncaster. If you look north from the Hoddle street bridge over the freeway, you will see that the inbound freeway lanes go up and over then down and under the bridge. The rumor is, there is an existing rail bridge under that hump, to allow a branch line from Clifton Hill to go down the freeway median to Doncaster. Allegedly it was built as part of the freway in the 1970s, when the freeway was built.
By the Time the Geelong Line starts Ballarat would need one too, connecting up the Regional Cities together and to the city with a fast rail would be kinda cool but it would probably be a massive cost and some kind of loop if you get Geelong, Bendigo, Ballarat and Shepparton it seems quite forward thinking with a line from Geelong or Ballarat connecting to Sunshine
Seems like there is some great ideas!
Glad you think so, thank you 🙌🙌
This is beautiful.
Great video mate
Clifton hill is already a congested mess and would require massive road reworks as the train line and roads are already competing for space. I really hope the Melbourne train network gets as many upgrades and has the outer loop completed ahead of schedule.
I don't expect to live to see much of this beyond the Metro Rail Tunnel. As long as there are people like you putting it out there, there's hope.
The biggest problem is that the Liberals - when they eventually get back into government - will cancel the Suburban Rail Loop.
Good, it’s a useless and corrupt rort, designed to get money into the hands of the Premier’s union cronies - plenty of better things to spend an amount of money that astronomical on.
Good to see a mix of fresh ideas amongst existing projects.
With regards to the Sth Gippsland Hwy level crossing at Cranbourne, I believe it's still regarded as active and wouldn't need to be removed for the line to reopen
Thanks Jesse, glad you enjoyed. Regarding the Sth Gippsland Crossing, I think that due to the Highway being pretty busy, for this line to happen, it would need to be removed 👍
#geelongelectrification 😏
Haha, for sure!
1:55 as a lad living in Wyndham vale I kinda like it as a Vline service get to Southern cross quicker. However with that said with a loop and more connections could be as good. And Melbourne west has exploded and will need more public transport very soon
Cheers for the video been waiting for this good work mate keep it going hope all is good with your lockdown and school work.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed again. Hope your tracking well too 👍
There's a library book which I read about 40yrs ago about the Public transport future upgrade
system then and now the P.T.V is still at snail pace trying to make things happen now!
If they didn't dismantle the Outer circle line years ago it would save a lot time and money and put in proposals for the people of Melbourne and surrounding areas agree!
Well done train man....
Yu da bom
Awesome video and ideas. Your map was fantastic. Never thought of a Point Cook line. What a great idea!
Thanks a lot Adam, happy to hear you learnt about the Point Cook Line, I didn't know about it until a week ago!
Noooo! I’m so sorry I can’t come to your streams anymore because I’m trying to lose weight so I’m going to the park every evening, I’m so sorry, but I will always keep watching you videos! :D
All good Alex, you are still watching the videos, don't worry! Good luck with your weight loss, let me know how it goes :)
The Train Man pretty good so far I’ve lost 5kg over the past 2 weeks so I’m proud of myself, but I want to keep my weight here so I’m gonna keep going to the park it’s fun
i think we dont need a flamboyant extension to the airport from sunshine, all we need is a simple two lane tunnel with trains every 3 minutes and escalators up to the airport terminals.
i like the rest of your ideas, keep it up!
I wish governments had the forward thinking you do.
1. Definately think Doncaster Rail needs to be built and following the Eastern Fwy alignment, just like trains in Perth.
2. Airport Rail needs to happen. If it's via Sunshine then I hope the govt follows through with the tunnel option because the amount of rail activity there already not to mention what would be there in the event of a Melton and Wyndham Vale electrification would make Sunshine a constraint if it wasn't.
3. Geelong line should be electrified in coming years although it would kind of render RRL pointless (the point of it was literally to seperate V/Line and Metro trains), all you could say it had done at that point was provided a rail line to growing suburbs and redeveloped inner suburban stations. And it would likely require work around Manor junction to connect trains to Werribee. However I guess something has got to be done about the crowding and lack of avaliable train slots/paths on that corridor, which has literally been there since day one and I cannot believe the govt didn't see coming. Put a train line to the city through 2 of the biggest growth suburbs, of course people will use it. Only recently has V/Line begun trialling the line's 9 car capacity.
4. Metro 2 needs to happen before Suburban Rail Loop in my opinion. Just makes way more sense.
Definately want to see more videos from you out West soon. This is actually a great train channel. Nice video man.
P.S come to think of it I guess electrifying to Wyndham Vale given the 9 car capacity would mean the line could easily use the HCMT's. And there's no level crossings along that whole route (well except 3 in Deer Park which will hopefully be removed), so.
I agree with you but metro 2 should come after suburban loop! The main hubs on the suburban loop like Box Hill or Clayton can provide for wat more jobs growth than the city and it takes patronage out of the city too! Keeping mind it would cost more for suburban rail loop but woukd be cheaper per km
@@antonymcneil4612 nah disagree Metro 2 makes way more sense. Metro 1 connects the South East to the city, Metro 2 the west. You've just connected the 2 biggest growth corridors in the state to the city and opened up so much potential for new lines and on existing ones. Plus I normally don't question cost as I'm pro infrastructure, but $50 billion right now? And I'm sure the state will pay for the whole thing because the feds never chip in for public transport or anything in Vic for that matter, yeah I don't see us being able to afford it. It's revolutionary, and if when MM1 & 2 are built it's still needed go ahead, but most experts say Metro 2 needs to come first and I agree with them.
@@antonymcneil4612 one thing I will say I agree with you on though is it does help to start and decentralise the CBD which I do think needs to happen in future as do experts.
Thanks Aidan and Antony for your insights, loved reading your comments! Hopefully we can see both the Suburban Rail Loop and MM2 sooner than expected, but MM2 definitely needs to be advertised and discussed more, so many benefits of constructing that tunnel! I appreciate the support too, I'm really wanting to get to the west ASAP!
I'll be honest, I live not too far from the site of Paisley Station and I think that the Point Cook Line getting rid of the area between Westona and Laverton on the Altona Loop and reopening Paisley and Galvin stations would be amazing, as I'm stuck going to either Altona or Newport whenever I need to catch a train somewhere and I have to catch a bus up to there, and vise versa when I'm returning from somewhere on a train. But I think Paisley Station would have a name change to Altona North station if it was reopened, as I know suburb borders and it's actually located in Altona North, so Galvin and Paisley/Altona North reopening would be amazing for Altona North commuters, and with the site being very close to a new shopping centre, it would attract a bit more attention to us as a suburb, hopefully funding more projects that can help out the Hobsons Bay community and give Altona North more options for public transport and more chances to thrive
nice map! i like how you pointed out the feasibility of each haha. i think some more lines focussing on the north west and west would be good, extending the racecourse line to Keilor east would be amazing and any another alignment going from west to east in the northern suburbs (eg sky train on bell street or Brunswick road) would be very beneficial.
furthermore, talking about tram netwroks in the far west in Point Cook tarniet and Werribee would be great to connect the good stations you have place to the rest if the suburbs. keep up the great work!
The Suburban rail loop is a fantastic idea, sorely needed.
Anyone who suggests using buses instead of this is stupid, buses create congestion, trains reduce congestion.
I know it’s a lot of money, but it will cost more long term if it isn’t built.
Can’t wait for this one!
Glad to hear it!
That looks so good mate
Cheers Train Man!! Awesome vid mate!
Rowville line would follow more of Wellington Road than North Road. (Changes name at Dandenong Road/Moash Uni.)
If only the Outer Circle from Hughesedale still existed.
I like many of your ideas, and who knows some of them may come into existence.
Thank you for your drawings and explanations.
Thank you very much! I appreciate the information about the Rowville Line, should have done a little bit more research for it!
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hi mate, i love trains too and work on lxrp as an engineer. my gf is on metro tunnel! we are living the dream!
Wow! That is incredible, how extremely jealous I am of your work! Which crossings have you helped remove?
My personal preferences would be
1. Metro 2 with a stop at Fitzroy and Carlton and 3 stops betweens Newport and Southern Cross.
2. A new inner city metro that connects Airport - Keilor - Highpoint - Footscray - Southern Cross - Bourke St Mall - Parliament - East Melbourne - North Richmond - Victoria Gardens - Kew - Balwyn - Doncaster (additional stations in between these areas optional)
3. Sandringham - Port Melbourne. Line runs underground after Flinders st with a new station in Southbank (city rd) and South Wharf (Normanby st) and then running along old Port Melbourne alignment
4. St Kilda - Upfield line. Upfield line gors underground after Flemington Bridge - Arden - North Melbourne - Southern Cross - South Wharf (interchange with Port Melbourne line) - then run along old St Kilda Alignment - St Kilda Beach@Acland St - Elwood - Elsternwick.
5. Rowville - Inner Loop. Rowville - Monash - Huntingdale - Oakleigh - Chadstone - East Malvern - Alemein - old circle alignment - with interchange at Kew east with airport-doncsster Metro 3 - Clifton Hill - Rushall - running via old inner circle - Royal Park - (potential to join Flemington Racecourse as well)
SRL and Airport Rail are a given in my scenario.
Very interesting! I agree with your list for sure, you 2nd line is one that is very similar to one that I thought of the night after posting this video, didn't think of joining it up to Doncaster though. Number 4 peaked my interest too, I never though of that, but that sounds quite reasonable, can't believe it isn't discussed. Number 5 is ridiculously cool, you should make a map yourself, you would be very good at it :). Thank you!
If you ran a line from Mornington to Rosebud you would need it underground. Those skyrail systems like the one on the Dandenong line are eyesores.
Agreed, the Mornington Peninsula doesn't need a massive thing in the sky, a few tunnels will help keep it's beauty 👍
30 years is insane. Mad max will have happened by then.
Great video and hope those projects eventuate. Your completed map looks more and more like Tokyo's train system! Also, it would be nice to have a train connection to Highpoint Shopping Centre - Melbourne's second largest shopping mall after Chaddy.
Thanks very much Seb, I hope that more projects on my map are completed than expected. The map does look like Tokyo doesn't it, can't wait to go one day! As for Highpoint connection, can't believe I haven't thought of that before! How about an opening of a line from Flemington, to Highpoint, then through Avondale, Keilor to the Airport. This would go alongside the line from Sunshine that I have mentioned. Hope that makes sense!
the number one thing we need to do is incorporate geelong into the metro pt
This is gonna be a blockbuster!
Hope so, I'm very happy with it! P.S you don't have to wait an hour haha
The Train Man That was awesome!
@@ethansrailwayvlogs Thank you Ethan, happy to hear that!
Wallan electrification is needed Wallan is growing fast Census data shows 4,000 people in 2001 and 11,000 in 2016. Also there needs to be a spur line on the Mernda line starting at Lalor and finishing at Wollert. The Wollert line could even connect to the Wallan line at Donnybrook. The area between Craigieburn - Epping and Wallan is a growth corridor and is going to have massive growth in the next 20 years.
Totally agree with you Luke on this, if we see a little more growth in between Wallan and Craigieburn, I would be all for that electrification. You have to sometimes look at the Government's perspective though. Despite their lack of doing a lot of things we would like them to do, you could see why they wouldn't electrify to Wallan. For comparison, Melton, mentioned in this video, had 726,000 V-Line passengers in 2017, compared to Wallan's 149,000. Like you said though, the growth corridor there is huge, and I hope the the Government see's that and electrifies to Wallan, which will boost growth in those areas. Hope that makes sense Luke haha, I fully support an electrification to Wallan in the future👍
I believe if you research your history, the Sandringham line was originally meant to be a loop line from South Yarra to Mordialloc
Lilydale to Healsville line, even for a tourist line is unrealistic. They are rebuilding the line from Yarra Glen to Healsville but I highly doubt it'll go any further due to the council already ripping up the old train line and are replacing it with a bike/walking track.
Ah, dare to dream, would be cool despite its ridiculousness in a current context.
@@thetrainman548 Yes haha.
as a local near kananook i think the extension would congest the area as on weekends the massive shopping center by frankston station when in rush hour gets pretty busy but this can make a easy line dandenong to frankston via kananook for locals in dandenong.
Honestly its a good idea but logicly i dont think it will happen as it can make the freeway next to kananook useless as that freeway does go to dandenong.
I don't think I'd put the airport station on the Sunbury line. Preferably we'd use the existing cargo line to Airport West or use the closer Craigieburn Line (although there's a lot of traffic on that line). Alternatively you could start the outer suburban loop by connecting Watergardens to Broadmeadows which would run through the airport and split the traffic.
Forget Chadstone, where's the train to Highpoint?
Awesome Job! can you add the old Tooradin, Koo Wee Rup, (Monomeath Airport) and Lang Lang stations to your Clyde extension? Plenty of folks out there keen to head to the city. Also noticed that the Bellarine peninsula remains unserviced, what about a line to Queenscliff, before the population outgrows the continuously expanding local roads.