“2011 owners hear what they want to hear”. Honestly… that’s what this is. Dude increased the recoil spring 2 lbs… 10,000+ rounds ago. Extractor gave up the ghost.
Dear fellow commenters, If your gun has less than 5k rounds, we don't care how flawless it's been. Slow firing 100 rounds a range trip from a bench and cleaning it afterwards, isn't anything to brag about. Also, don't try and pass off your anecdotal evidence as hard fact. Sharing your experience may be helpful, but it may not apply to someone else. Be humble and don't try and sound like you know everything. This will help avoid having Ben call you an idiot 😂
@LordPerique I'll reply silly shit in hopes he calls me an idiot 🤣 I commented my experience as a possibility for why the P wasnt locking back, and it was read in his condescending tone and there was an implied "you're an idiot" I called my Mom to tell her, but she wasn't proud of me 😥
To me, the extractor is the weak point of the 1911 design. To make matters worse, the smaller rim of the 9mm and how most manufacturers set up how the claw engages the rim is different than how Browning designed the claw to interact with the 45 acp brass. I have also found that material selection is critical. The extractor by design has to act as a spring as well as extract the case. It should be made of a spring steel.
Ironic because it actually does require maintenance regularly, you should replace the recoil spring before 3k rounds, the 1911/2011 has a regular maintenance schedule and treating it like a Glock just doesn't make sense.
I'm ultra impressed that Sig was able to sabotage Ben's XC/P, and place enough impulse buy priced 320s in Ben's eyeline in such a short time frame. Sig's marketing strategy has become very sophisticated indeed.
A lot apparently. A Glock or many other pistols can go multiple times that amount. And when it breaks you just buy another part for a few dollars and throw it on there yourself and voila. With a 2011 you have to ship it so they can fit it individually to your specific 2011. See the big difference?
@@EdwardSnortinit's been like that since the 90s, my pops did three months in county when he slept my mom with a backhand and did a force reset. (She never once nagged him again or tried to claw his face though)
These are discussions that Glock owners never have. Hearing these guys talk about maintenance and replacing parts at regular intervals….. who says that shit?
I do that every 3k and stricker assembly every 5k. Everything (lpk&upk) at 10k on a Glock It will go longer, but the point of maintenance is to prevent any issue. It's all cheap, might as well
@@elijahanderson6736 I had a gen3 19 with 30k and only ever changed the rsa (at 5k intervals). I've also had strikers break at 6-7k, weak reset on factory connectors at 12k, striker springs jump off the front at 8k, extractors chip at 15k or so blah blah blah. For the glocks I carry, I do the above listed preventative maintenance because it's cheap and 100% in my experience. Why wouldn't you
lol I’ve seen rails break on glocks, ejectors break, extractors crack, edps break, strikers break. Acting like a glock doesn’t have maintenance issues means you’re not shooting it enough.
@@SteelCityIceBirdsIf a rail breaks that's not a maintenance issue, that's a failure, and those rare occurrences can happen to other guns. Also the gun can still work with a broken firing pin, most people don't even know it's broken until they go to clean it. The Glock needs maintenance but NOWHERE near the amount a 2011 does. Who are you even kidding bro?
I've found confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance to be a constant. There is a preprogrammed start value for an individual and it only gets stronger.
It's like in Polterguist where they removed the headstones but not the bodies. Staccato changed the name and said they're a duty gun but they're still a finicky 2011 for gamers where only a .20 cent ribbon is on the line.
Why I stuck with my Glock 34. Many matches did I watch a 2011 shit the bed while my Glock simply ran. Yeah the trigger isn’t great but when I’m paying match fees and traveling last thing I want is an expensive high maintenance pistol.
well as probably one of three women here...no need to be offended on my behalf, dudes. I was just happy to see some crazy chick representation 😭 plus...it always could've been worse...could've compared me to a hi-point (don't come after me this is a joke and apparently we have to spell that shit out for people now)
Sunken Cost Fallacy: the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial. This explains the relationship (or lack thereof) a lot of the brand specific fanboys have to critically thinking.
Problem with most 2011 people commenting is they don’t know f$$&k all about the platform. They are regurgitating nonsense and have no idea how to troubleshoot the damn things.. the extractor failed! Period.. it does happen
I shoot 500-1k a week through them and work on them regularly. Upgrading garbage prodigies usually… Some vids of me shooting on my channel for reference.. I don’t think people grasp the kind of shooting Ben does.. sub 15 splits and back to back mags then had the gun to someone else to do the same.. that is a lot of heat.. most commenting can’t achieve sub 20 splits and have to drop the gun to see their impacts.. Stop watching people like Skipz guns and 2A-N-LA.. 😂 The extractor took a 💩! My guess is it looses its tension once it heat cycles. Replacing the extractor fixed it.. has f$&k all to do with springs or lack of cleaning.
Dude i dont get the hate and all these fucking glock idiots make me sick. The extractor failed. At 25k of the hardest kind of shooting you can do. So what. Get a bew one and move on. Guess what kind of gun that ive broke a striker tip off? Gen 3 g34. With less than 2k rounds on it. Does that mean glock is trash? Nope. Shit happens. Move on. This channel is filling up with glock karens
Why are people jumping to talking about recoil springs and ammo at all of the failures are failure to extract. If a gun has failure to extract the first thing im probably gonna think about is my extractor is fucked up
@nathanjames329 so... it sounds like the extractor is bad... because the 124gr ball might be hotter than a lot of loads out there but its nothing so crazy that any decent pistol chokes on it
I own a P and have put around 7k rounds through it. I experienced zero cycle of operation failures. I did have two critical failures with the original Dawson Holosun 509T plate, where it sheared off the slide sending the optic into my forehead. The company covered the pistol both times without question. The second time it happened, they installed a re-designed plate. I still like the gun a lot, and I might buy another one.
If i remember right, hilton yam has said before that extractors need serviced/replaced around the 20-30k mark. I dont think its anything with the gun especially because its been 100% till now. Idk though, im pretty new to the 2011/1911 world
@@leftyo9589 exactly. I dont really see 25k rounds being shot through it at an absolutely punishing rate on a platform thats known to be higher maintenance and shorter service life on high wear parts than striker fired guns to be an issue. He said he cleaned it and that it was 100%. Bro, you won lol 25k flawless-ben stoeger level of shooting-rounds through a temperamental platform is a win in my book
To Stacatto’s credit, they had early on issues with their double stack, pulled back, rebranded and made corrections. As a whole, they’re good running guns. However shit sometimes just breaks.
Love the content! Keep it coming. Just took first in limited today at my local club....with an old S.T.I. hawk 5.0. I definitely prefer sti to staccato as far as their styling and fit and finish. 12k rounds through it without changing a thing and it just had it's first malfunction today on my first stage. Probably needs a new recoil spring at this point lol. Would love to see more shooting vids from ya but either way keep up the good work!
Can I ask a question on a different topic? (sorry it's a bit long) I have taken A LOT of “shooting”classes. To be perfectly honest, I did learn a bit and mostly had a lot of fun. They are in many cases, a tactical vacation more than true education. But I prefer true education (which is what you and folks like Pranka are trying to do). But one of the things that has frustrated me the most was how instructors don’t provide a packet of information that I can take home to use. I am in the medical field and therefore have done a lot of classes,, college, med., residency, etc. Virtually every class I have ever taken where there is information that is valuable to learn, there has been some type of textbook, PowerPoint presentation (that I am given) or informational packet. With these resources I can then take notes, but the majority of information is written out clearly for me to truly learn from when I am not in class. It would be impossible for me to take enough notes in class to learn all the material I need to know for my profession, no one can write that fast nor classes that long, etc. Larger amounts of information comes from written down form information. My frustration is that whenever I go to class, they expect me somehow to take notes while I’m shooting out on the flat-range or gather everything they say say in the talking portions enough to have truly useful information at my finger tips ("notes" only go so far) I'm not a stenographer. At a later point I need all this stuff written down and articulated so I can actually take it home and practice......and most importantly, know how to diagnose my errors, understand what’s going on, and what it looks like to improve. The books that you have written have been very helpful in this regard. But no one else does this. It seems as if they are almost afraid, or just too lazy to put it down on paper or, perhaps they just don’t have enough information to give.
I’ve had firearms instructors discourage note taking during the classroom portions. They definitely thought they were protecting their meager positions.
@@nickolasthefrog I have not attended a class where the instructor discouraged note taking. However in my experience, it is quite difficult to go to a class and take enough notes which allow me to truly use, understand, apply, and (most importantly) have enough information to diagnose problems; so that I can problem solve on my own (effectively). Ben's (and Joel's) rifle book is the best shooting textbook I have come across yet....It discusses: -principles & concepts of shooting -guidelines to direct the learner -specific drills -expectation of those drills (accuracy & speed/times) which gives you goals to attain (if you are willing to put in the work) -AND MOST IMPORTANTLY......DIAGNOSTIC DIRECTION SO YOU CAN CORRECT YOUR WEAKNESSES. Ben, I know you have your pistol book as well, (it's a bit more USPSA-ish but shooting is shooting. it's still "PEAK" 😆 )
@@nickolasthefrog If an instructor said they do not want me to take notes or film for my personal learning, I would walk out of that class.........it's just enterTRAINMENT at that point.....but some like that I guess...
@@practicepractice5719 These were professional classes. There was no reason other than the instructor fearing for his position (unreasonably in the case of my classmate).
It sounds like to me the extractor was wore the fuck out and gave up the ghost. If you put in a different one and the gun ran. That's my guess anyway, doing anything 25000 times in a rowfor any length of time is going to break stuff down. Just a novice's opinion here.
You’re bad luck Ben. My staccato P started to fail today after 5k rounds. Failed to enter battery, would get about 80% of the way and strangely was locking up, couldn’t tap it forward and took some force to strip it back. Guess I need more remoil.
Ben, can I send you an H&k usp expert lem to run? It’s designed as a competition gun. The bore axis is similar to rocket launcher, so in that regard it can be viewed as very good. I’ll have it cut for a red dot if you want.
Totally unrelated to anything in this video but you tend to answer technique questions in the next video so I'll take my shot. thank you for that. Trying to stay target focused and take that lesson of yours to heart I work on the doubles drill both dry and live fire. To make my groups tighter I'm tempted to dig my trigger finger in deep and control the trigger more to shoot this drill tighter. I find I can sometimes stay target focused but when I get that right I slip into shitty trigger control sometimes By the way my shooting has already improved watching your videos. Shooting faster really does help Any advice? Thanks again bro. You're the man
"this is wrong, this is bs..." the extractor is a consumable piece, it is a maintenance issue. every single round that runs through the gun flexes that thing, and steel can only flex so many times before they lose tension. here's a news flash for ya, "armorers" dont really know jack they are just parts swappers. its like putting a 100,000 miles on your brakes and wondering why they dont stop any more. its a wear item!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Question for you guys. I’m relatively new to shooting but want to really get into it. If I’m going to spend the money on a nice gun it seems there are a lot of choices. I like the looks of the more traditional guns. Has Ben or any of you tried the Wilson SFX9 and if so how does it compare to the Staccato? Thanks for the info.
“Tuning” mags and extractors is the most apologist shit I have ever heard! On ANY other gun if I felt the mag was outside nominal; it goes in the trash can!!!
I've tried three different high end 2011s and have never had a reliable one. Maybe just bad luck but whatever. If it won't run factory ammo then I don't want it.
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With this camera angle, all I can think is someone breaking into to Ben's hotel room and him doing a live drill with a moving target. Count Of Sips: 3 -> 2:06, 5:40, 14:48 (almost a sip, does not count), 15:10,
I will say from bens first video it sounded pretty cut and dry that the extractor tension just needed to be tweaked. But in his new video he went into alittle more detail sounds like he’s right on the money the extractor straight lost it’s spring and wasn’t able to hold tension. I have seen a couple guns that wouldn’t hold extractor tension (my prodigy being one of them) glad a new extractor fixed the gun. My staccato p blew up a firing pin within the first couple hundred rounds. I had a Dan Wesson shear a slide stop in half. Shit happens. 25 dollar extractor and it’s up and going I’d say that’s not a bad day.
I got 1200 rounds out of my shadow systems extractor. It's a shame to go out of your way to buy a more expensive American made product to find it its actually inferior.
Staccato is no longer a hand fit gun like they use to be when it was STI/SVI, it’s just another production line 1911 these days. You got a bad extractor, it happens. End of story. If you had more smithing skills or better smithing buddies, you’d know the measurements and angles it needs to work properly. Checking the extractor and ejector should be just as important as checking your sear angle and geometry. A 1911 is a well thought out machine and every angle and every measurement has a reason and a tolerance to work with. I bet the angle or the hook is out of spec on the extractor that was giving you problems. Overall, it’s just a QC issue that every single gun company in the world is guilty of. But yes, the gun is overpriced for what it is today. 4300 should get you something that is hand fit and gets better quality control.
This happened to me on my XC at 18k. I keep a spare extractor (got it thru Dawson). I replaced it in the middle of the course problem solved. Will it happen again? Im sure and I'll just replace it again. Can we move on to regular scheduled programming? 🤣
So 17k rounds with the Staccato P and 25k rounds with the XC until they needed parts replaced or went back to the factory. Somewhat underwhelming considering the price of these guns. How many malfunctions/stoppages did you have during this run?
I'd hazard a guess the extractor simply lost spring tension. I'd say 25k rounds is a reasonable lifespan for a highly engaged, hard working part. Change it out and move on... IIRC,the expected lifespan of WWII 1911's was about 5k rounds due to the expediencies of war time production Just change the extractor at 25k...
Sounds like extractor is too tight I always laugh when someone says a comped gun doesn't need to be tuned with recoil spring. to ammo. 10 years shooting open
Staccato owners are slowly morphing into jeep owners.
Slowly?
oh gosh! you are correct! Good call
And poor just as good crowd are dying their hair green buying garbage rods and joining antifa lol 😂
I can't wait til we start giving each other rubber ducks!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
After hearing the "crazy chick" comparison, I immediately ordered a Staccato P because I know I can fix her.
Lmao
If you can't I can...
Hello, I’m a vegan, crossfitter, 2011 owner
_and I drive a Dodge Hornet 😮
@@michaeldoe4805 nah its a Subaru
As a staccato owner, I am glad you’re making videos like this. I want to know where my own gun is going to fail.
Stacotto owners will never understand that they’re 1911 owners and they’re no different then the fudds before them.
Remember... who you ARE"
-Mufasa
The prodigy is “A bag of @ss” I love it! These people go crazy over this stuff! Please keep up the high drama! Thanks!
“2011 owners hear what they want to hear”. Honestly… that’s what this is. Dude increased the recoil spring 2 lbs… 10,000+ rounds ago.
Extractor gave up the ghost.
Dear fellow commenters,
If your gun has less than 5k rounds, we don't care how flawless it's been.
Slow firing 100 rounds a range trip from a bench and cleaning it afterwards, isn't anything to brag about.
Also, don't try and pass off your anecdotal evidence as hard fact. Sharing your experience may be helpful, but it may not apply to someone else.
Be humble and don't try and sound like you know everything. This will help avoid having Ben call you an idiot 😂
I'm conflicted here because while I agree with you, getting called an idiot by Ben sounds kinda fun.
@LordPerique I'll reply silly shit in hopes he calls me an idiot 🤣
I commented my experience as a possibility for why the P wasnt locking back, and it was read in his condescending tone and there was an implied "you're an idiot"
I called my Mom to tell her, but she wasn't proud of me 😥
To me, the extractor is the weak point of the 1911 design. To make matters worse, the smaller rim of the 9mm and how most manufacturers set up how the claw engages the rim is different than how Browning designed the claw to interact with the 45 acp brass.
I have also found that material selection is critical. The extractor by design has to act as a spring as well as extract the case. It should be made of a spring steel.
Ironic because it actually does require maintenance regularly, you should replace the recoil spring before 3k rounds, the 1911/2011 has a regular maintenance schedule and treating it like a Glock just doesn't make sense.
Some of the comments have to be Joel on burner accounts
FACTS 🤣
I'm ultra impressed that Sig was able to sabotage Ben's XC/P, and place enough impulse buy priced 320s in Ben's eyeline in such a short time frame. Sig's marketing strategy has become very sophisticated indeed.
The gun with a lot of rounds quit extracting. They put in a new extractor and at least so far it works. What am I missing?
A lot apparently. A Glock or many other pistols can go multiple times that amount. And when it breaks you just buy another part for a few dollars and throw it on there yourself and voila.
With a 2011 you have to ship it so they can fit it individually to your specific 2011. See the big difference?
@@paddypibblet846 no, only people who dont understand the gun need to ship it back to get an extractor fitted.
@@leftyo9589 Okay well if Ben Stoeger doesn't understand then I won't either so... 🤷🏻
Did you try resetting the system and making sure all the drivers were up to date? It's very important with 2011s and crazy chicks.
You go to jail for resetting a crazy chicks system in 2024
@@EdwardSnortin Lol - I shouldn't laugh at that but I did.
@EdwardSnortin Yup, you sure do. Even when the crazy chick is the aggressor. Dude always loses.
@@EdwardSnortinit's been like that since the 90s, my pops did three months in county when he slept my mom with a backhand and did a force reset. (She never once nagged him again or tried to claw his face though)
Don't try updating a crazy chick's drivers with a USB.....or do if you're brave.
These are discussions that Glock owners never have. Hearing these guys talk about maintenance and replacing parts at regular intervals….. who says that shit?
I do that every 3k and stricker assembly every 5k. Everything (lpk&upk) at 10k on a Glock It will go longer, but the point of maintenance is to prevent any issue. It's all cheap, might as well
@@dylanholbrook6239 my glock 19 has 15K before the ejection was going straight up. Still 100 percent reliable but annoying lol
@@elijahanderson6736 I had a gen3 19 with 30k and only ever changed the rsa (at 5k intervals). I've also had strikers break at 6-7k, weak reset on factory connectors at 12k, striker springs jump off the front at 8k, extractors chip at 15k or so blah blah blah. For the glocks I carry, I do the above listed preventative maintenance because it's cheap and 100% in my experience. Why wouldn't you
lol I’ve seen rails break on glocks, ejectors break, extractors crack, edps break, strikers break. Acting like a glock doesn’t have maintenance issues means you’re not shooting it enough.
@@SteelCityIceBirdsIf a rail breaks that's not a maintenance issue, that's a failure, and those rare occurrences can happen to other guns. Also the gun can still work with a broken firing pin, most people don't even know it's broken until they go to clean it. The Glock needs maintenance but NOWHERE near the amount a 2011 does. Who are you even kidding bro?
The question is mostly whether confirmation bias is proportional to expenditure or to expenditure as a percentage of annual income .
I've found confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance to be a constant. There is a preprogrammed start value for an individual and it only gets stronger.
It's like in Polterguist where they removed the headstones but not the bodies. Staccato changed the name and said they're a duty gun but they're still a finicky 2011 for gamers where only a .20 cent ribbon is on the line.
We need Ben & Matt in an RV traveling the country, teaching classes, and having weekly RNL podcasts while on the road. UA-cam revenue gold mine!
Why I stuck with my Glock 34. Many matches did I watch a 2011 shit the bed while my Glock simply ran. Yeah the trigger isn’t great but when I’m paying match fees and traveling last thing I want is an expensive high maintenance pistol.
well as probably one of three women here...no need to be offended on my behalf, dudes. I was just happy to see some crazy chick representation 😭 plus...it always could've been worse...could've compared me to a hi-point (don't come after me this is a joke and apparently we have to spell that shit out for people now)
You are welcome
2011 fanboy here as I have the XC and C2s.
Keep doing what you are doing Ben!
I have exactly the same two guns, and I couldn’t be happier!
@@MrSpotfocusit is a good spread, a carry and fun one!
@@ACGBLR yes indeed
Sunken Cost Fallacy: the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial.
This explains the relationship (or lack thereof) a lot of the brand specific fanboys have to critically thinking.
'Bukakee sunblock' is playing a show near my hometown in October!
Better or worse than a Gwar show?
Didn't know 2011s were raging Chauvinists
After 25K rounds on a 2011, a worn extractor that needs replacement seems normal.
it is, it is a wear item.
Yup always been the case in 1911 internal extractor. Buy 4-5, tune & fit them all, good to go for a long time
What ever you need to say to cope .
@@BuckieBoy-l2rlmao
Meanwhile Glocks go multiple times that
Ben, how do I do my taxes?
@@bansteban135 grab a form 1040 and follow the directions
You reading these comments is always Gold! Lol, it’s so amazing.
“See this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.” 😂 Ben please put that on a shirt.
"Apply critical thought"- Priceless. Great, as always. Thanks.
Remember when Staccato was STI and all the .40 guns needed special ammo just to function... Good thing they changed the name and doubled the price
I don’t own a 2011 but I fail to understand why an extractor failing at that round count is such a big deal?
Because better platforms don't do that and when something wears off at triple the round count, piece costs few bucks and is easier to install
The staggler caught you cheating on her with sig
You broke both of your Staccatos now. Coinkydink?
Problem with most 2011 people commenting is they don’t know f$$&k all about the platform.
They are regurgitating nonsense and have no idea how to troubleshoot the damn things..
the extractor failed! Period.. it does happen
I shoot 500-1k a week through them and work on them regularly. Upgrading garbage prodigies usually…
Some vids of me shooting on my channel for reference..
I don’t think people grasp the kind of shooting Ben does.. sub 15 splits and back to back mags then had the gun to someone else to do the same.. that is a lot of heat.. most commenting can’t achieve sub 20 splits and have to drop the gun to see their impacts..
Stop watching people like Skipz guns and 2A-N-LA.. 😂
The extractor took a 💩! My guess is it looses its tension once it heat cycles. Replacing the extractor fixed it.. has f$&k all to do with springs or lack of cleaning.
Dude i dont get the hate and all these fucking glock idiots make me sick. The extractor failed. At 25k of the hardest kind of shooting you can do. So what. Get a bew one and move on. Guess what kind of gun that ive broke a striker tip off? Gen 3 g34. With less than 2k rounds on it. Does that mean glock is trash? Nope. Shit happens. Move on. This channel is filling up with glock karens
The outrage is the result of people being way to emotionally involved in the guns they own and their brands 😂
Why are people jumping to talking about recoil springs and ammo at all of the failures are failure to extract. If a gun has failure to extract the first thing im probably gonna think about is my extractor is fucked up
Because Ben blamed it on hot ammo cycling so fast the extractor couldn't extract. The viewers didn't invent that one.
@nathanjames329 so... it sounds like the extractor is bad... because the 124gr ball might be hotter than a lot of loads out there but its nothing so crazy that any decent pistol chokes on it
Because even Staccato themselves recommends certain recoil springs for different ammo loads. So much so that they even recommend it.
@@PandemicGameplay its best to spring the gun for the ammo you choose, but it still has nothing to do with the problem.
i love you answering and explaining everything
I own a P and have put around 7k rounds through it. I experienced zero cycle of operation failures. I did have two critical failures with the original Dawson Holosun 509T plate, where it sheared off the slide sending the optic into my forehead. The company covered the pistol both times without question. The second time it happened, they installed a re-designed plate. I still like the gun a lot, and I might buy another one.
I haven't enjoyed shooting since retiring eight years ago but Ben's videos make it look fun witnout shilling anything except phyics and common sense.
Easy fix!
Change the sphincter collerlatel tension to match the rectaltorolater adjustment poundage reconater linkage! Simple!
If i remember right, hilton yam has said before that extractors need serviced/replaced around the 20-30k mark. I dont think its anything with the gun especially because its been 100% till now. Idk though, im pretty new to the 2011/1911 world
Yam understands how the gun works, and how to maintain one. he didnt just go to a staccato armorer class.
@@leftyo9589 exactly. I dont really see 25k rounds being shot through it at an absolutely punishing rate on a platform thats known to be higher maintenance and shorter service life on high wear parts than striker fired guns to be an issue. He said he cleaned it and that it was 100%. Bro, you won lol 25k flawless-ben stoeger level of shooting-rounds through a temperamental platform is a win in my book
To Stacatto’s credit, they had early on issues with their double stack, pulled back, rebranded and made corrections. As a whole, they’re good running guns. However shit sometimes just breaks.
Love the content! Keep it coming. Just took first in limited today at my local club....with an old S.T.I. hawk 5.0. I definitely prefer sti to staccato as far as their styling and fit and finish. 12k rounds through it without changing a thing and it just had it's first malfunction today on my first stage. Probably needs a new recoil spring at this point lol. Would love to see more shooting vids from ya but either way keep up the good work!
Can I ask a question on a different topic? (sorry it's a bit long)
I have taken A LOT of “shooting”classes. To be perfectly honest, I did learn a bit and mostly had a lot of fun. They are in many cases, a tactical vacation more than true education. But I prefer true education (which is what you and folks like Pranka are trying to do).
But one of the things that has frustrated me the most was how instructors don’t provide a packet of information that I can take home to use.
I am in the medical field and therefore have done a lot of classes,, college, med., residency, etc.
Virtually every class I have ever taken where there is information that is valuable to learn, there has been some type of textbook, PowerPoint presentation (that I am given) or informational packet. With these resources I can then take notes, but the majority of information is written out clearly for me to truly learn from when I am not in class. It would be impossible for me to take enough notes in class to learn all the material I need to know for my profession, no one can write that fast nor classes that long, etc. Larger amounts of information comes from written down form information.
My frustration is that whenever I go to class, they expect me somehow to take notes while I’m shooting out on the flat-range or gather everything they say say in the talking portions enough to have truly useful information at my finger tips ("notes" only go so far) I'm not a stenographer. At a later point I need all this stuff written down and articulated so I can actually take it home and practice......and most importantly, know how to diagnose my errors, understand what’s going on, and what it looks like to improve.
The books that you have written have been very helpful in this regard. But no one else does this. It seems as if they are almost afraid, or just too lazy to put it down on paper or, perhaps they just don’t have enough information to give.
They just want you return for their classes again and again.
I’ve had firearms instructors discourage note taking during the classroom portions. They definitely thought they were protecting their meager positions.
@@nickolasthefrog I have not attended a class where the instructor discouraged note taking. However in my experience, it is quite difficult to go to a class and take enough notes which allow me to truly use, understand, apply, and (most importantly) have enough information to diagnose problems; so that I can problem solve on my own (effectively).
Ben's (and Joel's) rifle book is the best shooting textbook I have come across yet....It discusses:
-principles & concepts of shooting
-guidelines to direct the learner
-specific drills
-expectation of those drills (accuracy & speed/times) which gives you goals to attain (if you are willing to put in the work)
-AND MOST IMPORTANTLY......DIAGNOSTIC DIRECTION SO YOU CAN CORRECT YOUR WEAKNESSES.
Ben, I know you have your pistol book as well, (it's a bit more USPSA-ish but shooting is shooting. it's still "PEAK" 😆 )
@@nickolasthefrog If an instructor said they do not want me to take notes or film for my personal learning, I would walk out of that class.........it's just enterTRAINMENT at that point.....but some like that I guess...
@@practicepractice5719 These were professional classes. There was no reason other than the instructor fearing for his position (unreasonably in the case of my classmate).
Talking to 1911/2011 owners is like having a conversation with Rain Man. Entertaining but ends up making my brain hurt.
I'm holding off on buying a Staccato until the 3011 model. They should have all the kinks work out by then.
It sounds like to me the extractor was wore the fuck out and gave up the ghost. If you put in a different one and the gun ran. That's my guess anyway, doing anything 25000 times in a rowfor any length of time is going to break stuff down. Just a novice's opinion here.
Cleaning the mags EVERYTIME you use them. dude is the leader of the GOOBERS.
This video sold me on picking up an XC to work malfunction drills.
I’m a simple guy I see drama and I click.
Ive had issues with my CZ extractors because i dropped the slide after chambering a round. I didnt know that would damage the extractor.
You’re bad luck Ben. My staccato P started to fail today after 5k rounds. Failed to enter battery, would get about 80% of the way and strangely was locking up, couldn’t tap it forward and took some force to strip it back. Guess I need more remoil.
Ben, can I send you an H&k usp expert lem to run? It’s designed as a competition gun. The bore axis is similar to rocket launcher, so in that regard it can be viewed as very good. I’ll have it cut for a red dot if you want.
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Miami is tough on 2011's 😸
Totally unrelated to anything in this video but you tend to answer technique questions in the next video so I'll take my shot. thank you for that.
Trying to stay target focused and take that lesson of yours to heart I work on the doubles drill both dry and live fire.
To make my groups tighter I'm tempted to dig my trigger finger in deep and control the trigger more to shoot this drill tighter. I find I can sometimes stay target focused but when I get that right I slip into shitty trigger control sometimes
By the way my shooting has already improved watching your videos. Shooting faster really does help
Any advice? Thanks again bro. You're the man
Have you tried direct mounting the red dot. Sometimes the plate system can create extraction issues
15:02 someone please make this ☝️ “Racist Ben” sticker
It could be that STI was shit and rebranding it staccato didn’t change it from being shit.
💯. Everyone forgot about that.
"No... no, it's the haters who are wrong." -a Staccato owner, probably
No doubt. Rebranded garbage.
They did fix the mags, I’ll give em that.
Watching Ben’s Staccato drama is better than watching almost anything else.
Staccato is turning into the new kimber.
Bukkake choke slam!! LOL!
Was the slide slowing down or just wierd failure to extracts?
"this is wrong, this is bs..." the extractor is a consumable piece, it is a maintenance issue. every single round that runs through the gun flexes that thing, and steel can only flex so many times before they lose tension. here's a news flash for ya, "armorers" dont really know jack they are just parts swappers. its like putting a 100,000 miles on your brakes and wondering why they dont stop any more. its a wear item!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol
go off, friend
@@garrettfordham4537 you must be a part swapper!
@@leftyo9589lol
@@garrettfordham4537 you gonna cry now?
The reality is that when we have race cars, we are always tweaking them to get even more performance out of them, BECAUSE factory stock and EPA suck.
Staccato with 50k rounds is like a Ferrari that gets driven 50k miles...Both are in the shop.
Question for you guys. I’m relatively new to shooting but want to really get into it. If I’m going to spend the money on a nice gun it seems there are a lot of choices. I like the looks of the more traditional guns. Has Ben or any of you tried the Wilson SFX9 and if so how does it compare to the Staccato? Thanks for the info.
I used to want a 2012 but then I realized that the CZs I already have are what the 2011s are trying to be.
2011's are fun but if you don't feed it it's special little ammo it chokes up.
Purely out ot curiosity, what's wrong with the Prodigy? I've never looked into them.
“Tuning” mags and extractors is the most apologist shit I have ever heard! On ANY other gun if I felt the mag was outside nominal; it goes in the trash can!!!
Me: buys prodigy
Ben: they're trash
Me: 😢
Serious question from a new shooter. Are the Staccatos that much better than the newer striker fired pistols like the Rival S?
New extractor seems to have fixed the problem. The end. Bwaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
When are you gonna talk about the Thomas Crooks special? Holosun AEMS.
the staccato armorer's course is a joke fyi...2011's are just finicky
I've tried three different high end 2011s and have never had a reliable one. Maybe just bad luck but whatever. If it won't run factory ammo then I don't want it.
Would have been interesting to see if it would fire ok with the "old" ammo
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“I’ve seen Gucci glocks lock up” dude prob hasn’t shot over 5k a year any year all calibers combined in his life 😂
AFTEC extractor is needed if you expect it to run like a duty gun.
With this camera angle, all I can think is someone breaking into to Ben's hotel room and him doing a live drill with a moving target.
Count Of Sips: 3 -> 2:06, 5:40, 14:48 (almost a sip, does not count), 15:10,
I will say from bens first video it sounded pretty cut and dry that the extractor tension just needed to be tweaked. But in his new video he went into alittle more detail sounds like he’s right on the money the extractor straight lost it’s spring and wasn’t able to hold tension. I have seen a couple guns that wouldn’t hold extractor tension (my prodigy being one of them) glad a new extractor fixed the gun. My staccato p blew up a firing pin within the first couple hundred rounds. I had a Dan Wesson shear a slide stop in half. Shit happens. 25 dollar extractor and it’s up and going I’d say that’s not a bad day.
Half my enjoyment of watching Ben's videos is trying to pick out the comments he is going to roast in the next related video.
I'd like to see how Wilson Combat's X9 series stacc's up to the competition.
Didn’t know there were wokies in the gun community
They’re the ones from Reddit.
Just wait for trex arms to get mentioned anywhere and they come out of the woodwork
@@Kh2456Reddit and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race
Have you seen Reddit's "Liberal Gun Owners" subreddit? Lord have mercy 😭
Ben is slowly descending into madness by doing what every content maker on youtube is advised not to do: reading the comments.
I got 1200 rounds out of my shadow systems extractor. It's a shame to go out of your way to buy a more expensive American made product to find it its actually inferior.
Staccato is no longer a hand fit gun like they use to be when it was STI/SVI, it’s just another production line 1911 these days. You got a bad extractor, it happens. End of story. If you had more smithing skills or better smithing buddies, you’d know the measurements and angles it needs to work properly. Checking the extractor and ejector should be just as important as checking your sear angle and geometry. A 1911 is a well thought out machine and every angle and every measurement has a reason and a tolerance to work with. I bet the angle or the hook is out of spec on the extractor that was giving you problems. Overall, it’s just a QC issue that every single gun company in the world is guilty of. But yes, the gun is overpriced for what it is today. 4300 should get you something that is hand fit and gets better quality control.
let’s all pretend STIs were better and that’s why a massive rebrand was conducted.
This happened to me on my XC at 18k. I keep a spare extractor (got it thru Dawson). I replaced it in the middle of the course problem solved. Will it happen again? Im sure and I'll just replace it again. Can we move on to regular scheduled programming? 🤣
1911 law. extraction issues, change extractor.
Parts breakage at what round count?
Less than a glock and the firearm still didn’t work after the fact
It will be funniest when the p320 works perfectly.
I love this so much 🍿
Bukkake choke slammed!!! Dude you owe me a new keyboard 😂😂😂😂
At the end of the day Staccato's are still slightly than High Points
Why does so much need to be tuned? Is it a gun or a piano?
Because it's a 110+ year old design. If you want a duty gun run Glocks.
@@PandemicGameplay i personally dont do competition shooting. But my carry is an hk. I own glocks as well. I just prefer hk.
So 17k rounds with the Staccato P and 25k rounds with the XC until they needed parts replaced or went back to the factory. Somewhat underwhelming considering the price of these guns. How many malfunctions/stoppages did you have during this run?
Ben not only Gold Bonds his balls in the Miami humidity, he Gold Bonds his neck.
I'd hazard a guess the extractor simply lost spring tension. I'd say 25k rounds is a reasonable lifespan for a highly engaged, hard working part. Change it out and move on...
IIRC,the expected lifespan of WWII 1911's was about 5k rounds due to the expediencies of war time production
Just change the extractor at 25k...
Ben’s Staccato goes to the penalty box @ a bit over 25k. Ben’s Glocks happily retire to the beach @ 150k. Facts are funny!
So question about Glock extractors vs Staccato because I don’t know: is it a metallurgy difference? *edit, kinda answered that 🤣
Sounds like extractor is too tight I always laugh when someone says a comped gun doesn't need to be tuned with recoil spring. to ammo. 10 years shooting open