The Temptations - Why Did David Ruffin Get Fired From the Temptations?
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- Опубліковано 15 кві 2023
- In this episode, we discuss David Ruffin and his group, The Temptations. The Temptations are one of the greatest groups in history, Ruffin had one of the greatest voices, and together they made great music...so why did Ruffin get kicked out of the group? Check out this video to find out.
Yall remember when Eddie said, " if Paul is not on that stage, I'm not on that stage "
Yall gotta stop quoting movie lines as fact 😂Eddie technically left before Paul
“I wasn’t Fired, I Quit” -David Ruffin
Leon portrayed him spectacularly on the '98 TV miniseries!
Leon is one of the most underrated actors around. He embodied Ruffin like Fox embodied Ray Charles.
Leon Russell?
Wow!! I knew he was talented but for him, playing David Ruffin would be quite a challenge!
But, good for Leon.
Leon Russell.
@@squirrelbutler2119 Leon Robinson, homie...
@@mugpush4816 Are you sure?
I mean, Leon Russell was so talented, he could play anyone!
I remember he once played Caitlyn Jenner.
Like a flute.
@@squirrelbutler2119 yes. Positive!
Leon play that role extremely well
David was the man, also his own worst enemy the same time.. the best singer in the group... But no one man is bigger than the group.. simply put they had hits ... Without a songwriter it don't matter how good you can sing..
When I was in elementary school I was in the school's talent shot with four other kids singing one of their hit songs, this was when I was in the 3rd or 5th grade. I never seen the temptation in person just on TV. Fast forward to the mid to late 80's while a rookie police officer in Oakland California. I was dispatched to the Oakland Airport Hilton. for a disturbance. That's when I met Ruffin and Kendricks. Eddie was as cool as people said he was and spoke to me. Ruffin was highly unset and under the influence of something. Eddie then went to his room and Ruffin went to his and left.I felt blessed to have met them before they past.
Fame is a heck of a drug
Yes it is!
Drugs is a heck of a drug in some people case
I can't really say it was fame, there are plenty of people who die of Drugs on a daily basis and it has nothing to do with fame, I don't have an idea as to why people turn to drugs in the beginning or why the chose a road like that to enhance or to make them feel a certain way, anyway I pray for him and his family I don't stand in judgement of him but know that he was a gifted singer and bought a lot of happiness to people who liked his music.
Paul was like a brother to Eddie they come a long ways .
RIP David, Dennis Edwards, Ali Ollie Woodson, Eddie Kendricks Larger than Life
It was the original WHEN al was with them .
And Bruce Williamson
I’ve seen the Temptations 5x in concert. Each time was fantastic!
“Ain’t nobody coming to see you, Otis” Loved the movie. He had some serious demons. Such a talented man. Very sad he died the way he did.
Toni Sumblin ...Ruff didn't even say that to Otis, PERIOD!!!
@@brucescott4261 yes. Dear. I know. I was quoting the movie, where the “actor” who portrayed Ruffin said that. It was a SCRIPT. If you read my comment I said I loved the movie. And it’s an inside joke among those of us who have seen the movie. I assume you saw it too?
@@tonisumblin2719 David Ruffin and the Temptations
@@tonisumblin2719 its truly sad u that u even had to explain that lmao wow
Was bout to say this 😂
I loved David, but he got too head strong and it was his downfall. ..loved his voice. Some people dont know how to take being successful ...that was David. The drugs didnt help, but made his life worse. He was one of my favorite Temptations.
He must have tune down when I met him in the late 80s . I told him I love his ,walk away from your love . He ask wait how old was you. I said 5 or 6 .
@@jenniferfields1084 wow, you must have been great back when everyone was on shrooms
Otherwise, wtf are you saying, girl?
Get your grandchild to edit your writing.
Hi Barbra.
Yes u are so right.😊
David Ruffin's Temptations are my favorite line up 1964-1968. David Ruffin and Marvin Gaye set the standards at Motown. Both of them sounding soulful.
Marvin Whittaker ...That was The Temptations' "Classic Five" era (1964-1968) featuring Eddie Kendricks, David Ruffin, Paul Williams, Otis Williams and Melvin Franklin.
@@brucescott4261 Yeah they're my favorite line up no disrespect to Dennis Edwards and the rest that came behind.
Dennis Edwards gave the Temptations
A new outlook and depth,new musical heights.They had more million sellers with Dennis.That’s a indisputable truth
@@rickeyricardomatthews2147Psychedelic Soul blended into the Motown Sound. With the Wah Wah sound and everything. From singing love songs to the issues that was happening in the world.
What about Smokey or Levi Stubb's?
Mr David Eli Ruffin, Mr Motown. He was, definitely, the Man. Love ❤️ Love ❤️David Ruffin.♥️ My favorite , Temptation ♥️ That Voice was Mesmerizing and Hypnotizing, and all the accolades he received, were well deserved, ❤️ Great video of David and his time as, a, Temptation .♥️ Mr Motown ♥️
Thank you, and thanks for listening.
Yes in spite of all I love me some David Ruffin❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
If it wasn't for Berry , Smokey, David Ruffin and Marvin Gaye Motown wouldn't have been nearly as iconic. Their work was the lifeblood of that company.
Man, I saw on a documentary on Ashley say so, Marvin Gaye was suspected of being a serial killer. I didn't believe it, so I went looking for that, and there it go. But they didn't want to charge him because of who he was connected to. And Chuck Berry was a sick b he got a video out there with him pissing on this white women and passing gas in her face
What about Diana,Stevie and Levi??
What about the rest of the Temps he faded but the Temps kept on rolling 😊
That's dam near every company in the 60's idot smh. Issac Hayes main writer at Stax Records. Gamble & Huff at Atlantic Records
@@cecilwilliams4168 When mentioning Berry Gordy, you're mentioning Diana Ross and vice versa 🤣😂😂 if you know what I mean 🍆
Following his dismissal from the Temptations. David Ruffin performed "My Whole World Ended" on American Bandstand" where he broke down in tears halfway through. Dick Clark had to call for a commercial following his performance.
Never heard that one before wow so many stories about David Ruffin a man that it seems like nobody really knew him but his best friends Eddie Kendrick, and Dennis Edwards, and Gena Ruffin the mother of his son and his original family. Consisting of his first wife and his 3 daughters, everything else to me seems like hearsay or people who didn't know who he really was but talk about things they heard. It's hard to know how he was in real life, although he did die of a drug over -dose and even in that case people watched a movie where he was pushed out of a car, and left at a hospital when in reality he was taken to the hospital by a limousine driver, and admitted into the hospital where he passed away of an overdose of crack -cocaine.
That was David and his best performance of his career
David was good what he did
I heard about that
@@bobbyr888, thank you for this information. Mr. Ruffin deserves respect and I am frustrated because some people don’t know the truth about Mr. Ruffin.
I just happen to listen to why David Ruffin was no more part of the Temptations. I admired David's voice and would listen to the songs he'd sing. I would sing his songs until my throat was sore. The I could sound like him. But in order to be like someone it has to be that someone. Man are created equal but to the matter that we are not the same.
David was also vocal about royalties and how gordy handled business
David Ruffin's ego yeah I am the Temptations that's what gets us sometimes
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😂 vocal about royalties
Another reason for David's firing, one that is seldom addressed, is that David was insisting that Motown be audited. Similar to boxing promoter Don King, Berry Gordy was a brilliant impresario and a shrewd businessman, but he was also very manipulative and exploitative of those who worked for him. I suppose he knew that if the label was audited, all of his artists would have found out that he had the capacity to pay them much more than they were making.
Something like but it was him finding out of the secret contract Richard street said in his book it was found out Otis had a contract making double of what any of the tempts we're making even thought he wasn't singing any leads David learnt about this it did not sit well with him he started questioning different moves.
@@timothyypearsonwow. Thought I knew everything about this group🤔. Why "in the Frankford" would Berry do this just with just Otis? Gotta get Richard's Book now.
@@ragingbull3157 yes that book is a must read he goes in and hold nothing back
Can you clarify if this is one of the main reasons as to why EDDIE also left the group? Also heard through the grapevine when PAUL left the group he couldn't get work and was owed money.
@@osol2376 yes Richard Street who was always around in his book said that David and the rest knew Otis had a separate contract being paid mored than the rest
My heart goes out to David Ruffin, he was the Temptation, His voice says it all! Its too bad so many people confuse Confidence with Arrogance.
No one person is bigger than the group! Yes he was important but..
Show up late for work all the time and see if there is any confusion about which is which. Music is a business.
He was a great singer with unmatched talent, but he was arrogant and not a team player.
That’s a thin line between the two. Keep that in mind 😊
I hear this Eddie Kendricks fellow is an up-and-comer
This goes to show that Otis was right all along, NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE GROUP.
Imagine performing night after night not knowing if David gone jump from behind the curtains! 😂😂😂🤦🏽♀️ He was wilding! 😩
@mstate3026
Because of his drug addictions made the whole entire band fall down but the group remained on going
Excellent story telling. Kinda nice to see behind the stardust of so many icons. One thing is for sure: unlike today, these folks were quite talented, worked hard and their creativity impacted decades following. Honestly, I can’t expect the same for most of today’s pop music culture producers, unless standards continue to fall.
Thank you, and thanks for listening. They did seem to be more talented back then, didn't they? People like Teddy Pendergrass and Jeffrey Osborne, who were great vocalists, started out as drummers in their groups, and Aretha Franklin was a great piano player. In today's music, we're happy if they can just sing!
@@whitegoldiesinsidethemusic702 So, so true. And the singing back then was more times than not cultivated in the church - a true quality factory - me not on UA-cam. Additionally, singers were especially credited for their uniqueness, unlike today where too many performers regress to the means of who or what gets attention. It’s just crazy when you objectively listen to the astonishing range of difference among singers from the past versus entertainers today. We have standouts but not like in the past. The stories behind why so many great singers from the past did not blow up was because record companies thought they sounded too much like someone else are legion. Count among them Donnie Hathaway, for example, who was reportedly told he sounded too much like Stevie Wonder. Who could doubt Donnie sang his butt off but… Today, performers are literally groomed to sound like Beyoncé. It’s crazy. The standards are inverted and regressive.😳🤦🏽
Right they had live bands 🎶 🎸 🥁 🎺
His firing can be summed up on one line. “Ain’t nobody coming to see you Otis.”
Lmbo 😂😂😂
This right here!!!😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I came for this comment!
That was never said by David Ruffin that phrase was created by Leon the person that played Ruffin in the movie.
@@bobbyr888 Leon sat at my bar and I complimented him for his performance a few years ago. Nice guy. Didn’t tip on his free drink, though :/
The reason he was fired "ain't nobody come to see you Otis."
If it wasn't for Otis they wouldn't be coming to see any of them
Interesting video. I grew up listening to Motown & these guys. It really was sad about David Ruffin. We All got demons. He just let his get the best of him. Bless him for his tremendous talent. ✌️
David Ruffin became a coke head in the late 60s that got him kicked out of the Temptations. He became so arrogant that he wanted to create David Ruffin and the Temptations that pissed off Otis and David Ruffin was missing rehearsals
He wanted to be the head of the group
David Ruffin and the temptation
Instead of just the Temptation
Damn shame Ruffins ego mixed with that coke, liquor, homeboys and kittens. What a great time to be Ruff. My favorite Temp.
Nice video (p.s. some sections got drowned out a bit by the loud music though... needs better balance)
Sad that people can be their own sabotage. They take their own blessings away.
Mr Ruffin had a good voice he was a great lead singer but Mr.Gaye had a great voice no comparison this man made music make you fall in love a great solos artist Apostle Dr Matthews much love and respect ❤️ 😊
Marvin Gave had (3) lead voices but David's (1) outshined his three. My opinion!!
Apostle? A female Apostle only exists in someone's imagination.
Excellent vid! You confirmed many of the topics from the movie and gave some new insights I was unaware of. Great Job!
Great video dude!! Absolutely love the stories behind the scenes. Great job 👏
loved the history, please keep it coming PLEASE.
Absolutely Love hearing The Temptations
Eddie Kendrick and David Ruffin were the voices......PERIOD.
Fact
Can agree with you on that... My boy Paul was off the charts and Melvin was the best bass in business.
Don't forget the smooth moves and beautiful baritone of Mr. Paul Williams.
Thank you for sharing!
Gotta hand it to Otis. Took his place on stage and banked his money. Still with us thank God, and living well.
I NEVER KNEW THAT DAVID RUFFIN WAS A DAMN FOOL
He was the instrument of is own destruction.
i seen an interview of nedra ruffin sadly before she passed away, she spoke about how she was the last person to talk to her father and she and eddie kendricks said david was sober. she believes david was set up by his younger gf because he had a money belt on him(which was missing when david got to the hospital) and she believes that someone gave him a hot shot to end his life. two weeks before his passing, farrakhan was supposed to meet with david to "help him get out of something". it's even more scarier to me that he was taken away from us on the first of the month. also sad that he and eddie kendricks said they would tell their own stories of the shady things that happened to them in the industry but unfortunately never got a chance to.💔i wish someone would make an ACCURATE film about the tempts! paul, david, and dennis all had suspicious passings may they get justice and rip and nedra🕊 Interview link> ua-cam.com/video/rgDVR1sFckM/v-deo.html
The movie was different Al didn't wanna go back out 😢
Eddie Kendrick was my favorite singer and nobody could sing like him he had a beautiful smooth voice he put the temptations. on the map with the number one hit the way. you do the things you do
" The Temptations" means All for One and One for All. Something " David" overlooked. Yet my " Temptations" playlist is mostly the Original Temptations. RIP David, Eddie,Paul, and Melvin.
Yea, i heard that several years ago. Also, he was found OD'd in an alley. Who knows...Ruffin was the king but his replacement was just as good...and on time.
I heard that same rumor
His son David Jr...Looks Absolutely like him and Can Sing! Sounds just like his dad...
a good ego stroking, reality check the imitation would never pass Dr Otis Williams requirements for the group, remember Jimmy Ruffin did, besides David JR is NOT "pretty boy and cannot dancer"*David JR is a stiff dancer and boring as a entertainer, so far.
I met Ruffin a couple of times in the 60s and I formed an almost instant opinion. He was arrogant and brash. He was a singer that KNEW he was good, and never missed an opportunity to tell everyone else he was good. You briefly touched on his relationship with Tammi Terrell. She was a person who I can't prove, but I would suspect either James Brown or Ruffin with being the reason she ended up with that brain tumor. Brown was very physically abusive with her I had heard, but I actually saw Ruffin hit her in the head several times. One project I would suggest that may have good results is that you do a piece on all the old R+B singers [besides Sam Cooke aka Dale Cook] who started out in Gospel Quartet and went to the other side... Guys like Bobby Womack, Lou Rawls, Wilson Pickett, and many others.
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Based on everything we know of Ruffin, it seems like he'd be just the way you described him. As far as Tammi Terrell goes, we've heard and read similar things about her abuse at their hands. Supposedly Ruffin was somewhat guilty about what happened to her because he felt responsible. By the way, good project idea. Thanks for watching and listening.
David Ruffin was good at the time,one million sellers
Dennis Edwards and the ZTemptationd had many million sellers
Sam Cook, that is so interesting to hear about Bobby Womack. He was sleeping with Sam Cook daughter, why married Sam Cook wife. You have to be careful with Sam Cook story you can't play his music in a documentary about him because of copyright. Go listen to his documentary. You will see what I'm talking about
in a quote from the liner notes of the Temptations' "Anthology" CD, Otis Williams said Jimmy Ruffin was actually their first choice to replace Bryant but they soon realized Jimmy "had 2 left feet"
Would have loved this so much more without the music playing in background
Same here
Excellent video.
David Ruffin! The Greatest Singer of All Time. Period!!;
Thank you for such a great video
Great narration only suggestion lower the back round music track its almost louder the your voice at times.
Their last song with Dennis Edward's was Silent Night .Leon played David Ruffin in the movie The Five Heart Beats, even though I love every one of Their songs. Dennis Edward's and Otis and Eddie and Melvin and Paul. with or without David there up in Heaven except Melvin singing Silent Night ❤. ❤😊
Fascinating story! Excellent job explaining the details of the entire situation.
She had those headaches before her relationships with them. I watched more than one doc that even tho brought them up stated they weren't the cause
They made it worst getting hit on the head.
I wish the Temptations with David Ruffin would have worked out their issues and stayed together. They could have been GREAT and solidified the ultimate statue plus highest level all musical groups in the future want to try to achieve. Instead of being just another dope up black musical group that was popular for a minute. It personally hurts my Heart.
My whole world ended the day that you left me. Was a good one
What u know about that Angel...🤝
@@dericbrewster9959 yes i do i go back in time with music history.
Great job on this video
Thank you, and thanks for watching. We appreciate it!
I loved the "Classic Five" but David Ruffin read too many of his own headlines. He was good but I really loved Paul Williams. I do understand David better now but the Temptations are the Temptations and no other group had their class. They and the O'Jays were my favorites.
Walk away from love, DR.. I did it all for u Eddie Kendricks my jams!! & I'm 50... Good stuff 🥃
He that has the son hath life he that hath not the son shall not see life but the wrath of God abideth on him
I really enjoyed learning about the Temptations and David Ruffin, however it was really difficult trying to hear all that was being said because of the loud music. I didn’t find the volume of the music to pleasant because the information that was being said was getting lost. I’m from Detroit I still live in the area and like following this station to learn about the groups and people I’ve heard on the radio for …………all my life (60) + years please continue you soft voice makes listening very nice.
The Five Heart Beats
David never showed up for rehearsal and he was on drugs he thought he was the temptation himself he got outta control and being late for rehearsal I was a maid at Motown
Just like the movie hun😊
@@vincente4570 no I worked at Motown
@@jeanheard4615 Ok, I got chu. Bobby Brown did da same shit wit New Edition if you Eva seened their movie. So I digress 😎
@@vincente4570 I don’t look at the movies I was there
@@jeanheard4615 I envy that on the just because basis😞
Thank you great video
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Great voices
David Ruffin having a motorcycle made me think of him hitting Tammi Terell in her head with his motorcycle helmet.🤬
Tammy must not have gotten medical treatment for the hit in her head. She died of a reported brain tumor. Ruffin could have caused that.
@@DVPerry220 ...False! Cancer isn't caused by trauma, PERIOD!!! Terrell had severe headaches as a child.
@@brucescott4261 I don't think being hit in the head with a motorcycle helmet stops the cancer from advancing. Ruffin surely worsened her condition.
@@DVPerry220 ...False!
I been thinking just like my cousin Davin. We should name the group "Joey Ruffin & The Temptations"!
The real reason why David Ruffin was fired from the temptations is: Smokey Robinson and the Miracles, Junior Walker and the All Stars, David Ruffin and the " i forget their names "
The crazy thing is the way David ended up with the tempts is not truth Richard street who was always around them stated David was referred just like he referred when they needed to replace David so Otis came to him and asked him he referred David the stage thing never happened the fight happened but not that night.
That's not true. Otis never went to Richard about bringing David, or had the interest of Richard being a part of the group. Some of the things in his book are false. Otis first option was Jimmy but he was flat footed, as Otis says, and David had the edge because of his stage presence the night Al and Paul got into an altercation in October of 1963 at the Chappy's Lounge.
@@temptin_temptations Richard said it not me so I'm going by Richards story he was there neither one of us was but this comes directly from Richard Street everything Richard said he referred him he was there he referred him
@@temptin_temptations Otis went to him about every lead because Richard was close as Richard states unless you were actually there I'm going by Richards book just like the movie shows the supremes on stage with the tempts Diane states they did not start performing on stage together until they were famous so that wasnt true
@@temptin_temptations and the movie showed Melvin died at home his family states that is not accurate so with so many mistruths of the movie Iam gonna believe Richards book because it aligns with what alot of Motown insiders have said especially about separate contracts Richard was there from Day one Richard left to handle a situation but found out it wasn't what it was with a young lady.
@@timothyypearson You must have not read Otis book then cuz the movie wasnt his fault. Read his book and get the real story.
The music is a bit too loud
That's right Otis, whatever you say Otis.
I LOVE that movie! Wish I had a dollar for every time I've seen it. It's my comfort watch.
Eddie didn't trust berry gordy, he told gordy he didn't need him to hold his money, he wasn't his little boy.
Lower the background music a little bit brah....✌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Luv yr video! It was indepth and showed things we as a public didn't know! BTW, the background music was a little too loud!
Great video
Firing him with getting rid of the icing on the cake. They shouldn’t have done that.😮
That man had the best vocals I’ve ever heard😊
Nonsense. The group had its biggest hits and won their first Grammy’s after dumping Ruffin.
I just found your channel and I love it Your dignified demeanor separates you from the wannabes and your narrative skills are fantastic thanks Bill Feilhauer.
Great ❤story and it was on point Music great but add something about Eddie and why he left
The movie says it different. It shows Paul wanted to go back onto the stage and Al didn’t want to. The total opposite. Crazy how you can look at people differently depending on what story that you hear
That’s Hollywood for ya
Tina Turner said the rape wasn't true . Ike told her that's what Hollywood do 😢
He was too arrogant!
The movie wasn't real. Some real PARTS. You are HEARING the REAL version of things.
Wait. So his momma didn't sell him for drugs? Come on I love the damn movie and I'm starting to learn that so much of it wasn't true😭 especially the AIN'T NOBODY COMING TO SEE YOU OTIS💀. And wait AL wanted to sing and Paul didn't?? Lord this all is killing me😭😭
Great artists are usually very troubled souls. You name them.
#TemptationsForever #MotownForever
David Ruffin's unprofessionalism got him fired from what I can see from the video.
I would love to hear this without the background music....
The Temptations were never the same after David Ruffin departed
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David wanted to be ahead of the group. Called David Ruffen and the Temptation.
I think we knew dat from the movie sir✌🏿
Because he was getting high too much.
Know one to look up too
This was great 👍🏽💯
The late great David Ruffin got too far over his skis and wanted to go all Diana Ross and the Supremes with the Temptations. Bad move. Dennis Edwards took his place and the Temps rolled right along. Ironically they changed their style at that very same time to more of a psychedelic soul
And later rolled back to their signature style with Woodson, who was absolutely fabulous.
You hear so many stories about David Ruffin you don't know what to believe and you never really get the facts some of it heresay some of it a fake movie who knows? any way my prayers go to the Ruffin Family and that I loved his music I saw an account of Dennis Edwards and he never said many negative things about RUFFIN.
His ego and drugs took over
Yeeeeeeeeup😮
David ruffin's ego overload his butt
I had no idea The Temptations were banned from Bermuda.
Wow
Sadly Ego and Drugs
Great post! You did a wonderful job. I grew up listening to the Temptations. I'm from the Detroit area. Thanks again for the post---