hmm as a zard fan this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Cornerstone and Iron Thorns are insta GG's if you don't use cologne or the dusks, also how you deal with mimikyu? this is like the classic decklist before SF
Cornerstone and thorns together make up 2.5% of the played meta lol. He has two counter catchers and two bosses to swap around mim. And worst case there’s a rad zard right there lol. The “classic” deck list has actual success when the SF zard build was having people say Zard isn’t meta anymore lol
No canceling cologne? All your pokemon have abilities except charmander and pidgey. Cornerstone just wins automatically and too many decks run one as their tera.
@@demontferrat This list is quite consistent but not as flexible into certain MUs. I added a cologne to stop blockers which are the main weakness to this deck.
As non-Charizard user, i feel Charizard/Ghosts easier to beat respect to pure Charizard -less consistance -self ko that help MY prize run (since many times i take the first ko to 5 prizes, and ghost help me to just win in 2 attacks instead of three). Dusknoir is strongs in Draga, Palkia etc because helps to destroy opponent's bench Charizard is just a big boy that need to hit like a truck every turn since turn 2. So i agree with Azul
Playing a lot of Charizard tonight, the Dusk build really did feel like an inconsistent mess. I think you might be right. Maybe Trolley can make DuskZard work though?
This is cool. I like playing with Dusknoir for Removal of stuff like Mimikyu and getting to the 210 range. Also can let you get in Briar range Definitely clunky sometimes though and I wish I had Tech cards instead of all these Fellows..
34:55 Mew EX is actually not a terrible, just copy his skill and deal 70- it still works because you're placing damage counters. Only issue is the fact you only have 6 energies and it takes 3... I mean it still works, but yeah.
But ask yourself why Dusknoir's even useful in the first place. Snipes, Multi K.O., and it does good against Cornerstone mask or Mimikyu. How do you plan on dealing with control and stall?
@@lxmercyxl9982 one cologne won't help. you want a nice and consistent zard deck? this is it. and if you MU with blocklax, quad stone mimikyu, iron thorns, just handshake, sign the slip and go for lunch. if you encounter more than 2 of those on day 1... well, it was just an unlucky day, try again next time.
I made just a fun comfort charizard deck 23 pokemon 4.charmander 1.charmeleon 3.charizard 2.pidgey 1.pidgeotto 2.pidgeot 2.duskull 1.dusclops 1.dusknoir 2.biddof 2.bibarel 1.manaphy 1.fezandipiti 32 Trainers 4.arven 2.iono 2.boss's orders 1.professor turo 1.colress's tenacity 4.buddybuddy poffin 4. Ultra ball 3.nest ball 1.counter catcher 4.rare candy 2.super rod 1.lost vacuum 1.defiance band 1. Tm:devolution 1.grand tree 5 fire energy You can swap out the tm Devo for a second counter catcher or a fire energy and you can swap colress for Thorton or radiant charizard
hear me out... delphox V. the possibilities it opens up are endless. no one benches manaphy in a zard matchup. it can KO an active teal mask oger, or clean the board of 2 little ones in evolution decks. yes it zones 2 energy, but 4 more is plenty. + the burn&confused for a single fire can come in clutch to "buy" a turn or just for chip damage. and it's another forest seal target.
I'm not a fan of Zard at all, but I am a huge fan of entei V in it for the current format. There's a LOT of area zero running around, it makes sense to capitalize with a big basic that can hit out of nowhere if your opponent overfills their bench and KOs a zard. Briar is a lie, personally I'd drop briar for Entei V and possibly drop one poffin for cologne since there's a few wall decks running around. Then again, I'm not a zard player lol. I concede that it's an extremely good deck but I refuse to play it myself.
You know, a list like this makes me want to go the reverse route of the concept. Instead of dropping the Dusknoir package (due to Rare candy hogging), drop the Pidgeot package, add Bibarel back into the list, and add TM Evo back into the mix (maybe a spicy Rabsca too?) Could be too inconsistent though.
im playing a turbo zard build with no pidgeot and using just zard and dusknoir. It's a go first build and you can take 4 prizes in one turn. Also you rely on cards like pokestop, research, iono, stuff like that. its a lot of fun!
Nunca achei interessante a linha de Dusknoir com zard. Em tese, dá muito bom, mas é muito estágio 1 e 2 considerando o zard tb ser estágio 2 e ser o atacante principal do deck. Também prefiro Bibarel con Skovet em vez de Pidgeot-EX, mas entendo o quão forte e favorita é a escolha da ave de Kanto nesses baralhos.
Problema de rodar Bibarel com Skovet é o fato de vários decks do meta estarem rodando dusknoir, como a vida do Bibarel é 120, ele fica suscetível a tomar Dusk + Iono, deixando o player sem draw power no próximo turno :(
Gasp. But what about the less than 5 percent decks that this deck auto loses to???! I get that you are one of the best players in the world but I'd like to educate you on this!!! 😂😂
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hmm as a zard fan this doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Cornerstone and Iron Thorns are insta GG's if you don't use cologne or the dusks, also how you deal with mimikyu? this is like the classic decklist before SF
Cornerstone and thorns together make up 2.5% of the played meta lol. He has two counter catchers and two bosses to swap around mim. And worst case there’s a rad zard right there lol.
The “classic” deck list has actual success when the SF zard build was having people say Zard isn’t meta anymore lol
No canceling cologne?
All your pokemon have abilities except charmander and pidgey. Cornerstone just wins automatically and too many decks run one as their tera.
Barely anyone is running a one of cornerstone in any deck. The only decks are snorlax and control decks like Pidgeot and wall
Buddy really said let's just go back to the pre-dusknoir deck and calls it fixing charizard
OMG YOU FIGURED IT OUT!
Let’s make it worse but remove the card people don’t like.
@@demontferrat This list is quite consistent but not as flexible into certain MUs. I added a cologne to stop blockers which are the main weakness to this deck.
PTCGL: Everyone got a free Dusknoir!
Meanwhile, Azul: Nah no Dusknoir
As non-Charizard user, i feel Charizard/Ghosts easier to beat respect to pure Charizard
-less consistance
-self ko that help MY prize run (since many times i take the first ko to 5 prizes, and ghost help me to just win in 2 attacks instead of three).
Dusknoir is strongs in Draga, Palkia etc because helps to destroy opponent's bench
Charizard is just a big boy that need to hit like a truck every turn since turn 2.
So i agree with Azul
Playing a lot of Charizard tonight, the Dusk build really did feel like an inconsistent mess. I think you might be right. Maybe Trolley can make DuskZard work though?
What about gouging fire to hit through cornerstone.
If you don't have price control, Criar and Conter C. weigh a lot, but the charizard that win tournaments are more similar to this version.
57:35 there mistake was not to attack more with munki
This is cool. I like playing with Dusknoir for Removal of stuff like Mimikyu and getting to the 210 range. Also can let you get in Briar range
Definitely clunky sometimes though and I wish I had Tech cards instead of all these Fellows..
Wow what a fix😂😂😂 same old Zard give him a mimikyu or a BlockPon and Scoop 😂😂😂
34:55 Mew EX is actually not a terrible, just copy his skill and deal 70- it still works because you're placing damage counters.
Only issue is the fact you only have 6 energies and it takes 3... I mean it still works, but yeah.
Is the choice of non call for family pidgey just to make sure you can attack with it instead when needed right?
Dusclops kills it
I took one ultra out to put vacuum in, nest ball feels too important for the set up in this turbo meta
I get wanting to play without Dusknoir, but I feel it needs to be replaced with something to solve the same problems.
At this point if all I’m gonna do is punch active I’d rather play bolt so I can do more damage faster
What about lax/block with mimikyu or cornerstone ogerpon ex? Auto lose?
The deck before shrounded fables with spino, lol
I think an attacker without an ability would help
What attacker would you suggest?
@@whitewolf8051 maybe gauging fire ex could work
@@pinkmomba69 Tried that before. Excellent against Vstars, unfavourable in Mirror.
Charmeleon that hits 70
Gouging fire ex would 100% work well
This looks…like it needs dusknoir.
Hmmmmmmm 🧐
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But ask yourself why Dusknoir's even useful in the first place. Snipes, Multi K.O., and it does good against Cornerstone mask or Mimikyu. How do you plan on dealing with control and stall?
I know what the cards do and what the deck can no longer do without Dusknoir
So one Cornerstone stops this dead? Got ittttt
@@melosuccs you already know it
@@melosuccsAdd a Canceling Cologne if you’re that worried
@@lxmercyxl9982 one cologne won't help.
you want a nice and consistent zard deck? this is it. and if you MU with blocklax, quad stone mimikyu, iron thorns, just handshake, sign the slip and go for lunch. if you encounter more than 2 of those on day 1... well, it was just an unlucky day, try again next time.
I made just a fun comfort charizard deck
23 pokemon
4.charmander 1.charmeleon 3.charizard
2.pidgey 1.pidgeotto 2.pidgeot
2.duskull 1.dusclops 1.dusknoir
2.biddof 2.bibarel
1.manaphy 1.fezandipiti
32 Trainers
4.arven 2.iono 2.boss's orders
1.professor turo 1.colress's tenacity
4.buddybuddy poffin 4. Ultra ball
3.nest ball 1.counter catcher
4.rare candy 2.super rod
1.lost vacuum 1.defiance band
1. Tm:devolution 1.grand tree
5 fire energy
You can swap out the tm Devo for a second counter catcher or a fire energy and you can swap colress for Thorton or radiant charizard
How does this beat Cornerstone Ogerpon ex?
i’ve never wanted anyone to have briar so badly
hear me out... delphox V.
the possibilities it opens up are endless. no one benches manaphy in a zard matchup. it can KO an active teal mask oger, or clean the board of 2 little ones in evolution decks. yes it zones 2 energy, but 4 more is plenty. + the burn&confused for a single fire can come in clutch to "buy" a turn or just for chip damage.
and it's another forest seal target.
I’ve heard you out and ur fired
I'm not a fan of Zard at all, but I am a huge fan of entei V in it for the current format. There's a LOT of area zero running around, it makes sense to capitalize with a big basic that can hit out of nowhere if your opponent overfills their bench and KOs a zard. Briar is a lie, personally I'd drop briar for Entei V and possibly drop one poffin for cologne since there's a few wall decks running around. Then again, I'm not a zard player lol. I concede that it's an extremely good deck but I refuse to play it myself.
Fixed? It looks like the old charizard deck haahha
Cleffa was not in deck list but was in your deck first game
Huh?
Just started playing pokemon tcg and this is my list lol wtf dude
You know, a list like this makes me want to go the reverse route of the concept.
Instead of dropping the Dusknoir package (due to Rare candy hogging), drop the Pidgeot package, add Bibarel back into the list, and add TM Evo back into the mix (maybe a spicy Rabsca too?) Could be too inconsistent though.
im playing a turbo zard build with no pidgeot and using just zard and dusknoir. It's a go first build and you can take 4 prizes in one turn. Also you rely on cards like pokestop, research, iono, stuff like that. its a lot of fun!
Tried what you described too inconsistent
Andrew Mahone had a Zard Arceus Dusknoir turbo vid
I've been testing something completely opposite. Instead of Pidgeot, I play a massive Dusk line with a 1-1 Bibarel, so far, its been wild
can you send the list?? please
You could play Delphox V for bench snipe
I play a zard deck with 2-1-2 cinderace line. It really seems to help out in early game and against zards weak spots.
The deck review at the start of the video does not have Cleffa, but gameplay runs have Cleffa in the deck
The video shows the process of where he got to the published list
Yeah the final list he shows at the start of the videos is after he’s playtested and made changes
I’ve never put in dusc line.. too puzzle-y. Having a 1 of pecharunt is nice for pivot against stall
+ Mochi to add for perfect numbers (220, 250, 280, 310). Dunno how It'll perform with that.
Hey. Not bad.
Pokémon: 18
4 Charmander PAF 7
1 Charmeleon PAF 8
3 Charizard ex PAF 54
2 Pidgey OBF 162
2 Pidgeot ex OBF 164
1 Radiant Charizard PGO 11
1 Rotom V LOR 58
1 Fezandipiti ex SFA 38
1 Lumineon V BRS 40
1 Manaphy BRS 41
1 Pecharunt ex SFA 39
Trainer: 37
4 Arven OBF 186
3 Iono PAF 80
1 Boss's Orders SHF 58
1 Thorton LOR 167
1 Professor Turo's Scenario PAR 171
1 Briar SCR 132
4 Rare Candy SVI 191
4 Ultra Ball PAF 91
4 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
2 Nest Ball SVI 181
3 Counter Catcher PAR 160
2 Super Rod PAL 188
1 Night Stretcher SFA 61
1 Canceling Cologne ASR 136
1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146
1 Hero's Cape TEF 152
1 Forest Seal Stone SIT 156
1 Defiance Band SVI 169
1 Binding Mochi SFA 55
Energy: 5
5 Fire Energy SVE 10
(Cologne is a tech for Pikachu)
What happened to tax evading turtwig
So is he running 5 energies and put in cleffa then?
no, the gameplay shows the process of how he got to the final list (which is what was shown at the beginning)
Ill share my terapagos chari with you so u can test it… is the best of both worlds
Idk man i feel like Dusknoir makes cards like Manaphy completely irrelevant.
Manaphy doesn’t matter to charizard anyway
Turns out less one ofs is better who Knew
But nowadays I been seeing more ppl run spiritomb to block v pokemon ability. How to counter that
@@kingseiryu929it really doesn't affect it that much if ur running this many basics, u can find the pieces fine
@@QuantizedAxiom Yeah and if you're cutting into your Charizard line for one ofs you're making it even harder to just have it.
Now this is a good clean Zard list.
Deck needs cancelling cologne or something. Basically auto lose to cornerstone
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I also love duskless Charizard, I think the deck is good as it is
I been saying zard needs to drop noir for weeks. Noir made it too bricky
Nunca achei interessante a linha de Dusknoir com zard. Em tese, dá muito bom, mas é muito estágio 1 e 2 considerando o zard tb ser estágio 2 e ser o atacante principal do deck.
Também prefiro Bibarel con Skovet em vez de Pidgeot-EX, mas entendo o quão forte e favorita é a escolha da ave de Kanto nesses baralhos.
Problema de rodar Bibarel com Skovet é o fato de vários decks do meta estarem rodando dusknoir, como a vida do Bibarel é 120, ele fica suscetível a tomar Dusk + Iono, deixando o player sem draw power no próximo turno :(
The pidgeot ex line is way better. Those dusknoir is crap, time will show
Gasp. But what about the less than 5 percent decks that this deck auto loses to???! I get that you are one of the best players in the world but I'd like to educate you on this!!! 😂😂
Oh no I forgot about those SCRAP THE DECK