Friday night is Bex night. I had the charcoal ones when I was a youngster. They don't really work. The Whitby Warmer is the king of warmers Imo. Fantastic. Yoooo the man Bex.
The Whitby is awesome for its money. I think the charcoal warmers would benefit from some air holes, for it to breath...And as always (no yooo da man)...Bex
Another hand warmer to consider is the s Boston hand warmer. it uses batteries to ignite it instead of a lighter and also has a on and off feature to save fuel. And another way to use them is to put them on a lanyard around your neck under your loose layers but you may have to remove it to re oxygenate it from time to time.
It's a catalyst that makes the liquid fuel work, in this case it has fine particles of platinum, platinum has a high affinity for hydrogen in hydrocarbons (little tip, if it cools and you want a boost, hold a butane lighter near it to give it more fuel vapours, it will glow red very quickly and you get a good boost) the hydrogen atoms in the fuel can form a complex with the platinum, the amount of energy required to initiate this reaction is far lower than for combustion, this leaves the hot carbon free to oxidize, a secondary reaction occurs as the unstable platinum-hydrogen complex is oxidized to water and platinum. My Zippo warmer will stay hot overnight, even the small one can last 8 hours.
A catalyst simply allows an alternative route to a chemical change, in this case, the energy required to break the bonds in naphtha and oxygen so they can react is greater than for the local formation of a complex on the surface of the platinum and the energy required to break that complex down to form the final products also requires less energy in, this means you don't need to get as much fuel or heat in to sustain the reaction, allowing the naphtha to essentially smoulder below it's autoignition point on the surface of the burner.It's similar to the way our bodies use enzymes to react and store energy from carbohydrates using enzymes to lower the activation energy, it's more efficient, less heat is produced over more time.
Jack Pyke were a big name for camping back in the late 70s thru the 80s. I'm pretty sure jack pyke now does a rechargeable version of hand warmers. But a hot water bottle works too...Lol...bex
Thanks Brother Bex. Looks like those heaters can help some older bones cope with winter weather. I don't like Wet Cold. Cuts right to the bone. Really Great Info on so many products, My Hats off to Ya! Hope those help Your Back. Cheers From Swansea, South Carolina. "Cross the Pond"
Thanx for the views, roll on some milder tempretures, and longer days. New backpack is ready for some ground bivvy camps soon, along with a large veriety of sleep systems for the ground, to demonstrate...From Wales UK...Bex
Great video Bex! I have seen the zippo before but never the charcoal type. I have used the Hot Hand warmers before and they are ok. I might need to order a few Whitby's. Judging by Amazon sold and shipped from the UK ☹. Cant wait for the next video!
The charcoal warmers arn't so good, maybe old charcoal. The Whitby is out standing. Its recommended not to light them with a jet lighter, as I do. However mine is in good working order with no issues. The next two videos are a MUST WATCH. Its always a honour and pleasure to bring you guys theses films...Bex
Can't get them charcoal warmers to stay lit for 6 hours tho....A pat 58 bottle of hot water gives the same amount of warmth to a charcoal warmer too...Bex
I bought a Zippo one and returned it, darn thing was useless, hard to light, and lasted a max of 4 hours, even after 3 days of trying to get it to work. Then, bought the Whitby one. On arrival, I filled it, lit it (with a Zippo!), and away she went, perfect straight out of the box. The only confusion I have is your 'modification'. It arrived out of the box with a slit cut in the rubber filling bung, so on popping in the fueller, it opens up to allow fuel in, and withdrawing, it then self seals. Maybe your mod was that good, the factory has now adopted it LOL
It might be an idea to make your own charcoal sticks. Charcoal is reasonably cheap. And I imagine the reason they're going out is because you're cutting off the oxygen supply. If you make a charcoal slurry and add a small amount of nitrate (potassium) and then dry it as sticks. just enough to allow a smoulder in a low oxygen environment while not enough to make gunpowder (which would probably be a bad idea in a back pocket) you will have a self oxidising stick that won't go out regardless of whether it's in an enclosed space. Might take a bit of trial and error though and with the potassium nitrate less will definitely be more.
Don't think I will be making gun powder to light and put in my front pocket....lol Hand warmers can be USB powered these days, and have made my own tinned hand warmer since the making of this older video...
Fantastic review Bex! I've been after a hand warmer for a while now as I too suffer with back pain so double thumbs up for this video. I always learn something new from you mate, so as always, thanks for your time and for sharing. Take care mate. ATVB. Steve. 👍👍
Thanxs for the views mate. The liquid fuel whitby pop it down your belt, easy thoes aches and pains. Great lil foot warmer in the old kip bag of course...Bex
Good man, it should serve you well for years. Use cigarette lighter fuel for best results, I once used Aspen 4 fuel in it from my camp stove once, and its still going. (but not a recommendation)...Bex
nice review i tried both the charcoal ones started useing them a very long time ago in my 20s to 30s and always went out to soon, used the metal petrol ones in the last few years slightly better but after a while they gave up the ghost and even replacing the bits and pieces didnt help so got binned, like the sound of the whitby , keep us up to date with reliability of the whitby please bud..
These features were filmed about a year ago, and the Whitby is the only reliable one of all. A while ago the brass (what not) came off, but I continued using it, it still powers heat a very long time. Not sure what that brass bit does. Been advised not to use a jet lighter on the liquid fuel heaters, so will try that too. This was my second zippo heater, both failed, the Whitby about £12 maybe less if you shop around on-line. Good luck ...Bex
Bex , thanks for sharing, I have the zippo liquid fuel type, never heard of the Whitby, recently I'm trying a USB Rechargeable One from Survival frog, Seems to work alright , It Has 3 heat settings, Only Using It in a pocket for my hands
Whitby is the most efficient of all five. Its the only one that gave the 12 hour warmth, as advertised by Whitby. How ever the others gave up a lot sooner...Bex
Hello! Bex, I bought the Whitby warmer and used Swan lighter fuel in it, available from the Pound shops. The warmer I bought from Go Outdoors, a large camping chain in the UK. It cost about £16 with the discount. I used the little plastic filler, filled to the 6 hour mark and then filled it again to the 6 hour mark to avoid spilling any fluid. The first use was a little fiddly to light, I added a few drops of fluid to the burner, lit it and waited for the flame to expire before replacing the lid. It heated up within a couple of minutes. The first burn lasted 12 hours in the little pouch. The second burn, the following day, from the same amount of fuel, lasted 24 hours. However, I thought the pouch warmed to the level of holding a warm mug of coffee, not hot, just warm. The next day I filled it with the same amount of fluid, lit it, but didn't insert it into the pouch for an hour. It lasted from 9pm to 5pm the following day and was a lot warmer in my pocket. So keeping it out of the pouch for a little longer does seem to give a hotter but shorter burn. The metal itself is too hot to the touch, once it has heated up, but once inside the pouch, it is fine. So it seems to work fine on good quality lighter fluid. I had heard of someone using meths in theirs but I don't know how successful that might be. I did not notice any smell off it, whilst burning, but the metal casing does get very hot indeed. The box it came in stated it was made in Taiwan. I'm very impressed with mine, especially the burn times for such a small amount of fuel. Take care, God bless, Steven.
i've often wondered about these and if it would be worth getting one, ... i was thinking of a sleeping bag warmer, but i saw somebody else awhile back say that they didnt work well due to lack of oxygen. Have you tried one in a sleeping bag? If so did it work.
I think all of them need a fair amount of oxygen, more so the charcoal units, the liquid fuel fairs better, but as it cools the fix is easy, take it out the velvet bag for 2 or 3 mins, back in the velvet bag, and pop it down the bottom of the kip bag again, sould stay warm without oxygen for some 20 to 30 mins, by which time my toes are warm and im asleep again. To be completely honest, a pat 58 bottle of boiling water, does the job just as effectively inside the kip bag, and the petrol warmers are great in your pockets, or behind my belt in my case. One of my packs has lunbar pocket on the hip belt, the Whitby goes in that whilst pack hiking....A whitby should be about £12 and should last long enough to pass down to the great grand kids....All the best Bex
bex bugoutsurvivor ... cheers, I will have to get one to test out, as I get older I notice the cold starts to nip at the joints on my fingers and toes, so maybe this is a good solution to keep it at bay. Lol
Friday night is Bex night.
I had the charcoal ones when I was a youngster. They don't really work.
The Whitby Warmer is the king of warmers Imo. Fantastic.
Yoooo the man Bex.
The Whitby is awesome for its money. I think the charcoal warmers would benefit from some air holes, for it to breath...And as always (no yooo da man)...Bex
I think the Peacock is the original Japanese hand burner?
I think your right...
Another hand warmer to consider is the s Boston hand warmer. it uses batteries to ignite it instead of a lighter and also has a on and off feature to save fuel.
And another way to use them is to put them on a lanyard around your neck under your loose layers but you may have to remove it to re oxygenate it from time to time.
It's a catalyst that makes the liquid fuel work, in this case it has fine particles of platinum, platinum has a high affinity for hydrogen in hydrocarbons (little tip, if it cools and you want a boost, hold a butane lighter near it to give it more fuel vapours, it will glow red very quickly and you get a good boost) the hydrogen atoms in the fuel can form a complex with the platinum, the amount of energy required to initiate this reaction is far lower than for combustion, this leaves the hot carbon free to oxidize, a secondary reaction occurs as the unstable platinum-hydrogen complex is oxidized to water and platinum. My Zippo warmer will stay hot overnight, even the small one can last 8 hours.
A catalyst simply allows an alternative route to a chemical change, in this case, the energy required to break the bonds in naphtha and oxygen so they can react is greater than for the local formation of a complex on the surface of the platinum and the energy required to break that complex down to form the final products also requires less energy in, this means you don't need to get as much fuel or heat in to sustain the reaction, allowing the naphtha to essentially smoulder below it's autoignition point on the surface of the burner.It's similar to the way our bodies use enzymes to react and store energy from carbohydrates using enzymes to lower the activation energy, it's more efficient, less heat is produced over more time.
Great stuff...
Jack Pyke I've never heard of make till now really good way to keep extra warmth in great tip atb as always....Dean 👍👍
Jack Pyke were a big name for camping back in the late 70s thru the 80s. I'm pretty sure jack pyke now does a rechargeable version of hand warmers. But a hot water bottle works too...Lol...bex
Very interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanx for watching, the whitby was a massive help over the past year or so....Bex
Thanks Brother Bex. Looks like those heaters can help some older bones cope with winter weather. I don't like Wet Cold. Cuts right to the bone. Really Great Info on so many products, My Hats off to Ya! Hope those help Your Back. Cheers From Swansea, South Carolina. "Cross the Pond"
Thanx for the views, roll on some milder tempretures, and longer days.
New backpack is ready for some ground bivvy camps soon, along with a large veriety of
sleep systems for the ground, to demonstrate...From Wales UK...Bex
Great video Bex! I have seen the zippo before but never the charcoal type. I have used the Hot Hand warmers before and they are ok. I might need to order a few Whitby's. Judging by Amazon sold and shipped from the UK ☹. Cant wait for the next video!
The charcoal warmers arn't so good, maybe old charcoal. The Whitby is out standing. Its recommended not to light them with a jet lighter, as I do. However mine is in good working order with no issues. The next two videos are a MUST WATCH. Its always a honour and pleasure to bring you guys theses films...Bex
Dip the charcoal ends in fire dragon gel and light them. Saves your lighter fuel.
Had the charcoal Hand warmers back in the late 80’s while in the Army
Can't get them charcoal warmers to stay lit for 6 hours tho....A pat 58 bottle of hot water gives the same amount of warmth to a charcoal warmer too...Bex
Could be down to age of charcoal, or keeping them away from moisture
Probably why it was only £2.50. May make my own charcoal, at camp, will bring a tin, see what happens...Bex
I bought a Zippo one and returned it, darn thing was useless, hard to light, and lasted a max of 4 hours, even after 3 days of trying to get it to work. Then, bought the Whitby one. On arrival, I filled it, lit it (with a Zippo!), and away she went, perfect straight out of the box. The only confusion I have is your 'modification'. It arrived out of the box with a slit cut in the rubber filling bung, so on popping in the fueller, it opens up to allow fuel in, and withdrawing, it then self seals. Maybe your mod was that good, the factory has now adopted it LOL
It might be an idea to make your own charcoal sticks. Charcoal is reasonably cheap. And I imagine the reason they're going out is because you're cutting off the oxygen supply. If you make a charcoal slurry and add a small amount of nitrate (potassium) and then dry it as sticks. just enough to allow a smoulder in a low oxygen environment while not enough to make gunpowder (which would probably be a bad idea in a back pocket) you will have a self oxidising stick that won't go out regardless of whether it's in an enclosed space. Might take a bit of trial and error though and with the potassium nitrate less will definitely be more.
Don't think I will be making gun powder to light and put in my front pocket....lol Hand warmers can be USB powered these days, and have made my own tinned hand warmer since the making of this older video...
Fantastic review Bex!
I've been after a hand warmer for a while now as I too suffer with back pain so double thumbs up for this video. I always learn something new from you mate, so as always, thanks for your time and for sharing. Take care mate. ATVB. Steve. 👍👍
Thanxs for the views mate. The liquid fuel whitby pop it down your belt, easy thoes aches and pains. Great lil foot warmer in the old kip bag of course...Bex
Just bought a Whitby! 🌡
Good man, it should serve you well for years. Use cigarette lighter fuel for best results, I once used Aspen 4 fuel in it from my camp stove once, and its still going. (but not a recommendation)...Bex
nice review i tried both the charcoal ones started useing them a very long time ago in my 20s to 30s and always went out to soon, used the metal petrol ones in the last few years slightly better but after a while they gave up the ghost and even replacing the bits and pieces didnt help so got binned, like the sound of the whitby , keep us up to date with reliability of the whitby please bud..
These features were filmed about a year ago, and the Whitby is the only reliable one of all. A while ago the brass (what not) came off, but I continued using it, it still powers heat a very long time. Not sure what that brass bit does. Been advised not to use a jet lighter on the liquid fuel heaters, so will try that too. This was my second zippo heater, both failed, the Whitby about £12 maybe less if you shop around on-line. Good luck ...Bex
Bex , thanks for sharing, I have the zippo liquid fuel type, never heard of the Whitby, recently I'm trying a USB Rechargeable One from Survival frog, Seems to work alright , It Has 3 heat settings, Only Using It in a pocket for my hands
Good video as always , thank you , and looking forward to your next double feature . Whitby the most efficient out of the five?
Whitby is the most efficient of all five. Its the only one that gave the 12 hour warmth, as advertised by Whitby. How ever the others gave up a lot sooner...Bex
Hello! Bex,
I bought the Whitby warmer and used Swan lighter fuel in it, available from the Pound shops.
The warmer I bought from Go Outdoors, a large camping chain in the UK. It cost about £16 with the discount.
I used the little plastic filler, filled to the 6 hour mark and then filled it again to the 6 hour mark to avoid spilling any fluid.
The first use was a little fiddly to light, I added a few drops of fluid to the burner, lit it and waited for the flame to expire before replacing the lid.
It heated up within a couple of minutes. The first burn lasted 12 hours in the little pouch.
The second burn, the following day, from the same amount of fuel, lasted 24 hours.
However, I thought the pouch warmed to the level of holding a warm mug of coffee, not hot, just warm.
The next day I filled it with the same amount of fluid, lit it, but didn't insert it into the pouch for an hour. It lasted from 9pm to 5pm the following day and was a lot warmer in my pocket.
So keeping it out of the pouch for a little longer does seem to give a hotter but shorter burn.
The metal itself is too hot to the touch, once it has heated up, but once inside the pouch, it is fine.
So it seems to work fine on good quality lighter fluid. I had heard of someone using meths in theirs but I don't know how successful that might be.
I did not notice any smell off it, whilst burning, but the metal casing does get very hot indeed.
The box it came in stated it was made in Taiwan.
I'm very impressed with mine, especially the burn times for such a small amount of fuel.
Take care, God bless,
Steven.
Good review with a lot of content.
Thanks for watching...bex
A small amount of potassium nitrate added to the charcoal mix before pressing into sticks should keep them burning reliably.
The sticks are purchased as is seen in the vid....
i've often wondered about these and if it would be worth getting one,
... i was thinking of a sleeping bag warmer, but i saw somebody else awhile back say
that they didnt work well due to lack of oxygen.
Have you tried one in a sleeping bag? If so did it work.
I think all of them need a fair amount of oxygen, more so the charcoal units, the liquid fuel fairs better, but as it cools the fix is easy, take it out the velvet bag for 2 or 3 mins, back in the velvet bag, and pop it down the bottom of the kip bag again, sould stay warm without oxygen for some 20 to 30 mins, by which time my toes are warm and im asleep again.
To be completely honest, a pat 58 bottle of boiling water, does the job just as effectively inside the kip bag, and the petrol warmers are great in your pockets, or behind my belt in my case. One of my packs has lunbar pocket on the hip belt, the Whitby goes in that whilst pack hiking....A whitby should be about £12 and should last long enough to pass down to the great grand kids....All the best Bex
bex bugoutsurvivor ... cheers, I will have to get one to test out, as I get older I notice the cold starts to nip at the joints on my fingers and toes, so maybe this is a good solution to keep it at bay. Lol
I remember them in the 80s
Wonder if the USB powered warmers work as good as the old school, warmers...?....Bex
Hi Bex. Ive got both types and me being me keep forgetting to usethem. Git charcoal that must be about 6 years old
Old charcoal, more than probable. They are right from the flintstones era., Lol, wonder what the USB powered warmers are like?...
Blimey, not seen them for years. Wonder where mine is?!
Try the bottom draw, behind that safe box full of thoes gold cougarans....Bex
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